Tax talkfest costs public a pretty penny

Date
    October 19, 2014


The tax talk cost.

For the international attendees it is likely to be one big work-related tax deduction.

But taxpayers will see little change from $600,000 when 200 of Asia's tax experts arrive in Sydney next month for a five-star talkfest on the Australian public purse.      :(

Against a backdrop of Treasurer Joe Hockey's budget crisis and the Australian Tax Office's current program to slash 3000 full-time workers, the ATO is laying on a four-day event at which, the opposition claims, no expense has been spared.

According to contract documents lodged with AusTender, the ATO is spending $3000 per delegate to host the conference at Sydney's five-star Shangri-La Hotel overlooking the Harbour Bridge and Sydney Opera House.

Almost $50,000 has been spent to take delegates for a visit to Taronga Zoo which will include a $135-a-head lunch, total bill $27,000.

Tender documents show that a professional photographic service has been hired at a cost of $20,000 – or $100 per attendee – to take pictures at the conference.

A company called Paddywack Promotional Products has been paid $11,000 to provide mementos for delegates. Paddywack's product range includes polo shirts with a choice of logo, stubby holders, fridge magnets, mugs and water bottles, according to its website.

On Saturday, it was reported that Prime Minister Tony Abbott had personally axed $40,000 for promotional showbags for G20 delegates, describing it as "frivolous spending".

But Mr Abbott's office declined to comment on the ATO's spend on corporate goodies that will promote the 44th Study Group on Asian Tax Administration and Research, which brings together tax experts from 16 Asian and Pacific nations, including China, Indonesia, Japan, Mongolia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines.

Tax Commissioner Chris Jordan will welcome his equivalents from those countries, as well as senior tax officers.

The ATO defended the price tag for the conference, saying it was the "flagship event on the ATO's international engagement calendar and an opportunity to build relationships and capability in the Asian region".

An ATO spokeswoman said the main topics of the event are base erosion and profit shifting, tax transparency, collaboration and capability development.

"These themes align with G20 and OECD priorities and underpin our efforts to drive collaborative approaches on international taxation matters to ensure jurisdictions get their fair share of taxation," she said.

"We expect the event will lead to improved risk management of large businesses, greater sharing of tax and financial information and opportunities to improve training and capability in our respective organisations."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten accused Mr Hockey of "showing off to overseas tax bureaucrats at one of Sydney's finest hotels".         

"Clearly, the budget emergency doesn't extend to Joe Hockey and the Shangri-La," he said.      

"Joe Hockey wants to cuts pensions and introduce a GP tax but is happy to splash out more than half a million to hold a conference and a few meetings at one of Sydney's finest hotels.      :(

"I think most Australians now agree that the Abbott government's priorities are beyond warped. Why should pensioners and Australian families have to do the heavy lifting so Joe Hockey can show off to tax bureaucrats from overseas?"

Australia last hosted the SGATAR event 10 years ago in Sydney.

Despite repeated requests, Mr Hockey's office and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann both declined to respond to detailed questions.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-talkfest-costs-public-a-pretty-penny-20141017-117ul9.html#ixzz3GWiEhygP

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"We expect the event will lead to improved risk management of large businesses, greater sharing of tax and financial information and opportunities to improve training and capability in our respective organisations."

Maybe the  government is planning on outsourcing the ATO to save a few bucks. Do we want our tax and financial information shared with Asia?


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"I think most Australians now agree that the Abbott government's priorities are beyond warped. Why should pensioners and Australian families have to do the heavy lifting so Joe Hockey can show off to tax bureaucrats from overseas?"

They've definitely lost the plot and are completely directionless. Abbott sees himself as a leader of the world, while us serfs just pay for his whims to make him look good to the international community. Abbott gives nothing back to Australia.

I would think that show bags for the G20 is more reasonable than some of this.

However hosting 200 people is going to be expensive and you have to do something with them while they are here but $135 a head meals for 200 and such is unreasonable.

$600,000 is a conservative figure. This party will cost a lot more than that. I doubt $135 per head will cover their alcohol and whatever they drink will be the best.

have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl...all at our expense...mind you the plane would have been empty if he hadnt filled it all up.. ::) ::)

as it was Gt Brit took 8 people there...as it was it achieved not a thing....and we are still prbably paying for it..

but thats ok.. when we invite people here... take them to Harrys Pie wagon...and let them walk...

typical laborites they only whinge when the Libs do it never when their own side does it...

cods wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl...all at our expense...mind you the plane would have been empty if he hadnt filled it all up.. ::) ::) as it was Gt Brit took 8 people there...as it was it achieved not a thing....and we are still prbably paying for it.. but thats ok.. when we invite people here... take them to Harrys Pie wagon...and let them walk... typical laborites they only whinge when the Libs do it never when their own side does it...

have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl


Yes.

Got a link to remind me.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:28am:

cods wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:26am: have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl...all at our expense...mind you the plane would have been empty if he hadnt filled it all up.. ::) ::) as it was Gt Brit took 8 people there...as it was it achieved not a thing....and we are still prbably paying for it.. but thats ok.. when we invite people here... take them to Harrys Pie wagon...and let them walk... typical laborites they only whinge when the Libs do it never when their own side does it... have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl Yes. Got a link to remind me.

Here's a link for the over 100 people bit, still looking for the cost of soup bit.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-to-be-accompanied-by-up-to-113-officials-and-staff-at-copenhagen-climate-summit/story-e6frf7jo-1225809204186

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:28am: cods wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:26am: have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl...all at our expense...mind you the plane would have been empty if he hadnt filled it all up.. ::) ::) as it was Gt Brit took 8 people there...as it was it achieved not a thing....and we are still prbably paying for it.. but thats ok.. when we invite people here... take them to Harrys Pie wagon...and let them walk... typical laborites they only whinge when the Libs do it never when their own side does it... have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl Yes. Got a link to remind me. Here's a link for the over 100 people bit, still looking for the cost of soup bit. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-to-be-accompanied-by-up-to-113-officials-and-staff-at-copenhagen-climate-summit/story-e6frf7jo-1225809204186

I found the accusation - it was worded as:


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Mr Hunt said reports suggesting the contingent was staying in a hotel where a bowl of soup cost $50 showed Mr Rudd was wasting money.http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-criticised-over-copenhagen-entourage-20091213-kpza.html

This is saying that the cost of soup was $50 where they stayed. No indication that anyone was going to eat there or order any soup. In fact one of the other accusations was that the party were taking their own chef.

Below it is also shown that almost everything that Hunt had claimed was incorrect, no 100 people no hairdresser no desert chef, no assistant photographer etc. The arrangements were the same as Howard had used.



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''We probably don't need a hairdresser, a dessert chef and four assistant photographers.'' But a spokesman for Mr Rudd dismissed this as ''absolutely inaccurate and false''. ''There is no chef. There is no hairdresser,'' he said. ''There is an official photographer, as there always was under the previous prime minister. ''The arrangements for travel to major conferences like this are the exact same arrangements that applied under the Howard government.'' Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/no-chef-for-team-rudd-20091213-kqin.html#ixzz3GXoF713L

I love this government. Labor would have put a zero on that amount, then times it by atleast 5.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

I love this government. Labor would have put a zero on that amount, then times it by atleast 5.

Rubbish, and well you know it.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 10:07am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 9:43am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:28am: cods wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:26am: have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl...all at our expense...mind you the plane would have been empty if he hadnt filled it all up.. ::) ::) as it was Gt Brit took 8 people there...as it was it achieved not a thing....and we are still prbably paying for it.. but thats ok.. when we invite people here... take them to Harrys Pie wagon...and let them walk... typical laborites they only whinge when the Libs do it never when their own side does it... have you forgotten krudd and Co taking over 100 people to Copenhagen and soup costing $50 a bowl Yes. Got a link to remind me. Here's a link for the over 100 people bit, still looking for the cost of soup bit. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-to-be-accompanied-by-up-to-113-officials-and-staff-at-copenhagen-climate-summit/story-e6frf7jo-1225809204186 I found the accusation - it was worded as: Quote: Mr Hunt said reports suggesting the contingent was staying in a hotel where a bowl of soup cost $50 showed Mr Rudd was wasting money.http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-criticised-over-copenhagen-entourage-20091213-kpza.html This is saying that the cost of soup was $50 where they stayed. No indication that anyone was going to eat there or order any soup. In fact one of the other accusations was that the party were taking their own chef. Below it is also shown that almost everything that Hunt had claimed was incorrect, no 100 people no hairdresser no desert chef, no assistant photographer etc. The arrangements were the same as Howard had used. [quote]''We probably don't need a hairdresser, a dessert chef and four assistant photographers.'' But a spokesman for Mr Rudd dismissed this as ''absolutely inaccurate and false''. ''There is no chef. There is no hairdresser,'' he said. ''There is an official photographer, as there always was under the previous prime minister. ''The arrangements for travel to major conferences like this are the exact same arrangements that applied under the Howard government.'' Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/no-chef-for-team-rudd-20091213-kqin.html#ixzz3GXoF713L

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True it wasn't 100 people. It was 114 people.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

I love this government. Labor would have put a zero on that amount, then times it by atleast 5.

Are you talking about the amount of taxpayer o/s junketts for Tony ? It's unlikely any successive government will ever beat that record.

wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:41am:

Tax talkfest costs public a pretty penny Date     October 19, 2014 The tax talk cost. For the international attendees it is likely to be one big work-related tax deduction. But taxpayers will see little change from $600,000 when 200 of Asia's tax experts arrive in Sydney next month for a five-star talkfest on the Australian public purse.      :( Against a backdrop of Treasurer Joe Hockey's budget crisis and the Australian Tax Office's current program to slash 3000 full-time workers, the ATO is laying on a four-day event at which, the opposition claims, no expense has been spared. According to contract documents lodged with AusTender, the ATO is spending $3000 per delegate to host the conference at Sydney's five-star Shangri-La Hotel overlooking the Harbour Bridge and Sydney Opera House. Almost $50,000 has been spent to take delegates for a visit to Taronga Zoo which will include a $135-a-head lunch, total bill $27,000. Tender documents show that a professional photographic service has been hired at a cost of $20,000 – or $100 per attendee – to take pictures at the conference. A company called Paddywack Promotional Products has been paid $11,000 to provide mementos for delegates. Paddywack's product range includes polo shirts with a choice of logo, stubby holders, fridge magnets, mugs and water bottles, according to its website. On Saturday, it was reported that Prime Minister Tony Abbott had personally axed $40,000 for promotional showbags for G20 delegates, describing it as "frivolous spending". But Mr Abbott's office declined to comment on the ATO's spend on corporate goodies that will promote the 44th Study Group on Asian Tax Administration and Research, which brings together tax experts from 16 Asian and Pacific nations, including China, Indonesia, Japan, Mongolia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines. Tax Commissioner Chris Jordan will welcome his equivalents from those countries, as well as senior tax officers. The ATO defended the price tag for the conference, saying it was the "flagship event on the ATO's international engagement calendar and an opportunity to build relationships and capability in the Asian region". An ATO spokeswoman said the main topics of the event are base erosion and profit shifting, tax transparency, collaboration and capability development. "These themes align with G20 and OECD priorities and underpin our efforts to drive collaborative approaches on international taxation matters to ensure jurisdictions get their fair share of taxation," she said. "We expect the event will lead to improved risk management of large businesses, greater sharing of tax and financial information and opportunities to improve training and capability in our respective organisations." Opposition Leader Bill Shorten accused Mr Hockey of "showing off to overseas tax bureaucrats at one of Sydney's finest hotels".          "Clearly, the budget emergency doesn't extend to Joe Hockey and the Shangri-La," he said.       "Joe Hockey wants to cuts pensions and introduce a GP tax but is happy to splash out more than half a million to hold a conference and a few meetings at one of Sydney's finest hotels.      :( "I think most Australians now agree that the Abbott government's priorities are beyond warped. Why should pensioners and Australian families have to do the heavy lifting so Joe Hockey can show off to tax bureaucrats from overseas?" Australia last hosted the SGATAR event 10 years ago in Sydney. Despite repeated requests, Mr Hockey's office and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann both declined to respond to detailed questions. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-talkfest-costs-public-a-pretty-penny-20141017-117ul9.html#ixzz3GWiEhygP

The Study Group on Asian Tax Administration and Research, or popularly known as SGATAR was formed in 1970 by like-minded tax administrators as a means to share ideas and experience.

The group functions without a formal structure but impressively, has grown to encompass 12 countries from the region who take turns to host annual meetings.

Question, now that registrations for attendance have closed, how many SGATAR members have registered to attend?

The media release only includes member countries not what countries shall be attending!