Moslems in Australia, shoot 'non-moslems' [i.e. the wrong 'kind' of moslems], in Sydney, Australia, today...





The victim was only a Shia moslem a non-moslem, so that is OK.

[Sunnis regard Shia as NOT being moslems.  That is why this Sunni violence is 'OK'.]





Quote:

IS supporters shot man outside Greenacre Islamic centre: Witness claims Updated about 2 hours ago Mon 3 Nov 2014, 10:56am Police search a street in Greenacre after a man was shot in the face and shoulder A man who was shot outside an Islamic Centre in south-west Sydney was the victim of an attack by local Islamic State (IS) supporters, a witness has said. A friend of the victim, a Shia Muslim who did not want to be identified, said a group of men drove past the centre in Greenacre several times before the shooting, calling out "IS lives forever". "They called us 'Shia dogs' and they threatened to come back down tonight and kill you, shoot you, whatever," the man said. "We didn't believe them and we went home and we got a phone call that one of our community members got shot in the head.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-03/man-shot-in-face-and-shoulder-in-greenacre/5861636

Yadda wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 3:23pm:

Quote: IS supporters shot man outside Greenacre Islamic centre: Witness claims http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-03/man-shot-in-face-and-shoulder-in-greenacre/5861636

IS [ISIS] supporters, here, in Australia ????????

Nah......

Its gotta be a misprint,         .....by a cadet reporter at the ABC newsroom.          :P






Everyone knows that there are no ISIS supporters, here in Australia !

ISIS supporters are all in Syria and Iraq.

Aren't they ?







Where have the all of these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411000819/0#0


I wish someone would ask Tony Jones that question, next Monday.

ISIS supporters shooting random Muslims at mosques is definitely a worry, Y. It's insane.

I have no idea where these monsters have come from, and I agree. They're complete bastards.

I hope the cops get em.

The wonders of multiculturalism. Now we have middle eastern conflicts in our country. Thank you do-gooders.

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 3:55pm:

ISIS supporters shooting random Muslims at mosques is definitely a worry, Y. It's insane. I have no idea where these monsters have come from, and I agree. They're complete bastards. I hope the cops get em.

Latest news is that it was a internal dispute which led to the shootings.

No ISIS supporters involved

Quote:

A man who was shot outside an Islamic prayer centre in Sydney's west was targeted as he locked up the building following a night observing the holy ritual of Ashura, one of the most important holidays for Shiite Muslims, according to a community member. Witnesses claimed that a number of people had driven past the Islamic centre on Rosedale Avenue in Greenacre just hours before the shooting, chanting in Arabic that "ISIS [terrorist group Islamic State] is coming" and "ISIS will stay". Islamic State is an extremist organisation made up of Sunni jihadists and is involved in a violent conflict against Shiites and other groups in Iraq. The 47-year-old shooting victim, an Iraqi Shiite who is a leader at the centre, was shot in the face and shoulder as he was locking up the centre about 1.15am on Monday. Witnesses dragged him back into the centre and gave him first aid until paramedics arrived and took him to hospital. He was expected to undergo surgery on Monday to remove pellets from his face and shoulder, and is expected to survive, police said. Jamal Daoud, a prominent member of Sydney's Shiite community, said a group of "extremists" had been targeting Shiite Muslims trying to enter the centre to observe Ashura, a 10-day ritual to commemorate the death of Imam Hussain, the grandson of Prophet Muhammad. Mr Daoud claimed that a number of attacks had been carried out on the centre in recent days by extremists and "supporters of ISIS". He said that, about 8pm on Friday, a man who was volunteering as a security guard at the centre was punched in the face by three men. Police are believed to be investigating that incident. The violence escalated earlier Monday morning with the shooting at the centre. "He [the victim] is one of the leaders there. He is responsible for opening and closing the centre and does many things there," Mr Daoud said. "He was closing the centre and somebody shot at him. "These people have been conducting a campaign of intimidation for the past few weeks. I talk to many of the people in the community, and they're very concerned and they're very scared." Mr Daoud said that, earlier on Sunday night, the leader of the Islamic centre had phoned police to complain that people were driving past and making threats, including that "ISIS is coming". On Monday morning, police taped off the centre, which is located in an industrial area and is surrounded by warehouses and smash repairers, and were using firearms and dogs as they examined the shooting scene. Inspector David Firth, from the Bankstown Local Area Command, said detectives were investigating whether the shots were fired from a passing vehicle. "At this point in time it does not appear that there is any type of motivation for the shooting and ... we're following further lines of inquiry and speaking to witnesses to establish a motive for the offence," he said. Police would not say if they were investigating whether religious tensions were believed to be behind the shooting. Detectives have appealed for anyone with information to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit the Crime Stoppers online reporting page.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/religious-leader-shot-outside-islamic-centre-in-greenacre-following-threats/ar-BBcEqDt?ocid=mailsignout

this is islam

all you apologetics, this is what you are arguing for.

Q/. Where have all these isis monsters come from?

A/. A devout belief in islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and had'th, all of which say they are the highest grade of muslim there is, being guaranteed a truckload of big breasted houri's reclining on jewel incrusted couches in allah's brothel in the sky.

Yet muslims and their apologists hide from critical examination of islamic doctrine, the belief of which creates isis muslims.

wally1 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm: ISIS supporters shooting random Muslims at mosques is definitely a worry, Y. It's insane. I have no idea where these monsters have come from, and I agree. They're complete bastards. I hope the cops get em. Latest news is that it was a internal dispute which led to the shootings. No ISIS supporters involved

Link?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 5:35pm:

this is islam all you apologetics, this is what you are arguing for.

You will of course be able to substantiate both claims, Sprint?   I wouldn't want to have to refer to you as a liar.    ::)

This is, indeed an unfortunate event but at the present moment very little is known and I would suggest it is rash to rush to judgement.   However, we know just how rash our resident Islamophobes are when they get a sniff of something that they hope will substantiate their Islamophobia.    ::)

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 3:57pm:

The wonders of multiculturalism. Now we have middle eastern conflicts in our country. Thank you do-gooders.

Exactly. The US has had conflicts ranging from Irish cops and Jewish organised crime to the Mafia to the Russians since the late 19th century.

Immigration certainly does import conflict, and some crime.

wally1 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm: ISIS supporters shooting random Muslims at mosques is definitely a worry, Y. It's insane. I have no idea where these monsters have come from, and I agree. They're complete bastards. I hope the cops get em. Latest news is that it was a internal dispute which led to the shootings. No ISIS supporters involved

Four Corners just reported that Shi’ites and Alawite Muslims were extorted by the ISIS aligned crowd.

Apparently, they’ve also infiltrated the CMFEU.

I can imagine what such a dispute related to.

wally1 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm: ISIS supporters shooting random Muslims at mosques is definitely a worry, Y. It's insane. I have no idea where these monsters have come from, and I agree. They're complete bastards. I hope the cops get em. Latest news is that it was a internal dispute which led to the shootings. No ISIS supporters involved

Something to do with the management of the mosque. A bit of biffo by hurt egos.

But inadvertently it's brought to light the quite unrelated story of pro-ISIS Sunni drive-bys taunting Shias outside their mosque.

Here we have sunni doing to the shia what they did to the exposed cat meat sunbaking on Cronulla beach a few years ago.

This is the bit where Herbie ups the ante with a nice porkie pie. He’s inferring, ever so subtly, Muslims were abusing "our women" in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots.

And yet, there were no police reports of this,  and the police themselves said it was crap.

Another talkback rumour thrown into a debate on Muslims. What a surprise!

"The left-wing, politically correct mainstream media had a field day blackening Australia's reputation following the Cronulla riots.

Tension had been building for months as gangs of Lebanese swarmed on to Sydney's Cronulla beach, jostling elderly patrons, abusing Australian families and threatening to "rape Aussie sluts" for wearing bikinis. They did not come to enjoy the beach in the Australian tradition. They came to flout their disrespect for Australian culture and for Australian law and order".

***

"All Arabs unite as one, we will never back down, the Aussies will feel the full force of the Arabs. Destroy everything, gather at Cronulla December 18 at midday - spread the word. Together exterminate the enemy at Cronulla. Send this to every lion of Lebanon". - Text message circulating amongst Lebanese gang members.



link

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:14pm:

This is the bit where Herbie ups the ante with a nice porkie pie. He’s inferring, ever so subtly, Muslims were abusing "our women" in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots. And yet, there were no police reports of this,  and the police themselves said it was crap. Another talkback rumour thrown into a debate on Muslims. What a surprise!

Herbie tell a lie?

Shurely shome mishtake.

And digs in deeper with a hysterical Google job reporting those very talkback rumours.

Herbie, you’ve lessened the charge from what the Muselman "did" to our women to.threatening "to rape Aussie sluts":-for wearing bikinis.

Threatened whom?

You obviously haven’t read Puberty Blues.  All they do in that book is threaten to rape our sluts.

Red-blooded Australian males. Oh, where have those days gone?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:14pm: This is the bit where Herbie ups the ante with a nice porkie pie. He’s inferring, ever so subtly, Muslims were abusing "our women" in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots. And yet, there were no police reports of this,  and the police themselves said it was crap. Another talkback rumour thrown into a debate on Muslims. What a surprise! Herbie tell a lie? Shurely shome mishtake.

How many times has Herbie threatened to rape our sluts?

Herbie pick-up lines:

Listen, darl, no one notices a slice off a cut loaf.

Come on, sweetheat, one in the bum, no harm done.

While you’re down there, love.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:31pm:

"The left-wing, politically correct mainstream media had a field day blackening Australia's reputation following the Cronulla riots. Tension had been building for months as gangs of Lebanese swarmed on to Sydney's Cronulla beach, jostling elderly patrons, abusing Australian families and threatening to "rape Aussie sluts" for wearing bikinis. They did not come to enjoy the beach in the Australian tradition. They came to flout their disrespect for Australian culture and for Australian law and order". *** "All Arabs unite as one, we will never back down, the Aussies will feel the full force of the Arabs. Destroy everything, gather at Cronulla December 18 at midday - spread the word. Together exterminate the enemy at Cronulla. Send this to every lion of Lebanon". - Text message circulating amongst Lebanese gang members. link

Australian-news.net?  Hardly an unbiased source, Herbie.  http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/fingerwagging-smiley-emoticon.gif

moses wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 7:14pm:

Q/. Where have all these isis monsters come from? A/. A devout belief in islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and had'th, all of which say they are the highest grade of muslim there is, being guaranteed a truckload of big breasted houri's reclining on jewel incrusted couches in allah's brothel in the sky. Yet muslims and their apologists hide from critical examination of islamic doctrine, the belief of which creates isis muslims.

And so do people like Australia's first law officer, Federal Attorney-General George Brandis, going by his 'performance' on Q&A tonight!.

'Young Australian moslems [e.g. like Khaled Sharrouf !! ?? ] who go to fight for ISIS, are the victims of this evil group....'   Brandis said!



http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/11/04/1227111/559444-5e91a22e-6350-11e4-a822-f0e45dcacc2e.jpg

Quote:

FEDERAL Attorney-General George Brandis has told Australian Muslims they are “the victim” during tonight’s ABC Q&A episode amid a boycott from members of the Muslim community.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/federal-attorneygeneral-george-brandis-fronts-muslim-community-on-abcs-qa-program/story-e6frfmyi-1227111562050

Yadda wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:40am:

moses wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:14pm: Q/. Where have all these isis monsters come from? A/. A devout belief in islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and had'th, all of which say they are the highest grade of muslim there is, being guaranteed a truckload of big breasted houri's reclining on jewel incrusted couches in allah's brothel in the sky. Yet muslims and their apologists hide from critical examination of islamic doctrine, the belief of which creates isis muslims. And so do people like Australia's first law officer, Federal Attorney-General George Brandis, going by his 'performance' on Q&A tonight!. 'Young Australian moslems [e.g. like Khaled Sharrouf !! ?? ] who go to fight for ISIS, are the victims of this evil group....'   Brandis said!

Compare open declarations by ISIS;

Islamic State recruiter: Every Muslim's Duty to Kill Until Only Allah is Worshipped
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/islamic-state-recruiter-it-is-every-muslims-duty-to-fight-those-of-a-different-belief-until-only-allah-is-worshipped-around-the-world



WITH mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine;

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06





Federal Attorney-General George Brandis, is blind to the influence of - mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine - upon young moslems.

Why is that ?

Is it because Federal Attorney-General George Brandis, is an honest and truthful 'witness', against those who are plotting Australia's destruction ?



The UK, the USA, Australia,   ....what is the difference, in their response to the assault, by mainstream ISLAM, against our societies and institutions ?

None at all!




Google;
One in seven young “Britons” has “warm feelings” for the Islamic State


Google;
New UK law would ban critics of Sharia from broadcasting, protesting or even posting messages on Facebook


Google;
UK to aid jihadis returning from Islamic State if they have “good intentions”


Google;
UK: Child Sex Exploitation Now the ‘Norm’


Google;
1,000 Muslims streaming into Syria every month to join the Islamic State


Google;
UK: Muslim sets fire to Army cadet selling Remembrance Day poppies


Google;
Video: Islamic State jihadis happily discuss buying and selling sex slaves


Google;
Malaysia: Muslims protest new church, say it’s part of attempt to convert Muslims



And where is George Brandis ?

He's on a national TV program, telling Australia that there is nothing to worry about,
.....because really, moslem youth are the victims,
.....of something 'which is not ISLAM, and has nothing to do with ISLAM'!

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:14pm:

This is the bit where Herbie ups the ante with a nice porkie pie. He’s inferring, ever so subtly, Muslims were abusing "our women" in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots. And yet, there were no police reports of this,  and the police themselves said it was crap. Another talkback rumour thrown into a debate on Muslims. What a surprise!

Oh really?


What's this then?


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uU5iUzkschAC&pg=PT210&lpg=PT210&dq=Together+exterminate+the+enemy+at+Cronulla.+Send+this+to+every+lion+of+Lebanon%22.&source=bl&ots=AlIWGsl9LS&sig=tbShRKixXolj7bunJdzv000OlcM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EPtXVJ3RJYqT8QX82IFg&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=Together%20exterminate%20the%20enemy%20at%20Cronulla.%20Send%20this%20to%20every%20lion%20of%20Lebanon%22.&f=false

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

Australian-news.net?  Hardly an unbiased source, Herbie.

Biassed?

But is it publishing lies?

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:14pm: This is the bit where Herbie ups the ante with a nice porkie pie. He’s inferring, ever so subtly, Muslims were abusing "our women" in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots. And yet, there were no police reports of this,  and the police themselves said it was crap. Another talkback rumour thrown into a debate on Muslims. What a surprise! Oh really? What's this then? http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uU5iUzkschAC&pg=PT210&lpg=PT210&dq=Together+exterminate+the+enemy+at+Cronulla.+Send+this+to+every+lion+of+Lebanon%22.&source=bl&ots=AlIWGsl9LS&sig=tbShRKixXolj7bunJdzv000OlcM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EPtXVJ3RJYqT8QX82IFg&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=Together%20exterminate%20the%20enemy%20at%20Cronulla.%20Send%20this%20to%20every%20lion%20of%20Lebanon%22.&f=false

That’s a book, old boy.

Would you like to quote the parts you want me to read?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 10:37pm: Australian-news.net?  Hardly an unbiased source, Herbie.  Biassed? But is it publishing lies?

No, just rumours. No one was even convicted of assaulting two lifesavers. The police believed it to be a fight.

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:14am: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 10:37pm: Australian-news.net?  Hardly an unbiased source, Herbie.  Biassed? But is it publishing lies? No, just rumours. No one was even convicted of assaulting two lifesavers. The police believed it to be a fight.

That was then hyped up by the insular nature of those Shire idiots.

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:24am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:05am: Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:14pm: This is the bit where Herbie ups the ante with a nice porkie pie. He’s inferring, ever so subtly, Muslims were abusing "our women" in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots. And yet, there were no police reports of this,  and the police themselves said it was crap. Another talkback rumour thrown into a debate on Muslims. What a surprise! Oh really? What's this then? http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uU5iUzkschAC&pg=PT210&lpg=PT210&dq=Together+exterminate+the+enemy+at+Cronulla.+Send+this+to+every+lion+of+Lebanon%22.&source=bl&ots=AlIWGsl9LS&sig=tbShRKixXolj7bunJdzv000OlcM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EPtXVJ3RJYqT8QX82IFg&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=Together%20exterminate%20the%20enemy%20at%20Cronulla.%20Send%20this%20to%20every%20lion%20of%20Lebanon%22.&f=false That’s a book, old boy. Would you like to quote the parts you want me to read?

Sorry to frighten you with a book, PB.


Read it where the link opens - Bankstown police incident report from December 13.  Better still, read the whole thing.

Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women.

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women.

Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant.

The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events.

The rioters could not have targeted Danish youths, to think of another random efnik group.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events.

Now you’re getting there. Talkback rumours of Lebs targeting "our women" on Cronulla beach, backed up.with the completely unrelated Skaff ttial.

Still, none of this is in your book, old boy.

Shurely shome mishtake, no?

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:59am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events. Now you’re getting there. Talkback rumours of Lebs targeting "our women" on Cronulla beach, backed up.with the completely unrelated Skaff ttial. Still, none of this is in your book, old boy. Shurely shome mishtake, no?

Yeah, if page 63-4 are not part of the book then it's not in it.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:59am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events. Now you’re getting there. Talkback rumours of Lebs targeting "our women" on Cronulla beach, backed up.with the completely unrelated Skaff ttial. Still, none of this is in your book, old boy. Shurely shome mishtake, no? Yeah, if page 63-4 are not part of the book then it's not in it.

Thanks for a more accurate reference, old boy.

Your book describes how sexual assaults are rarely reported, and rarely charged and convicted. It then goes on to describe 3 unsubstantiated reports of sexual "taunts" by Lebs: "suck my cock, slut"; "you know you want it", etc. One was alleged after the riot took place. None of these taunts were investigated by police.

I know these allegations had an influence on the Cronulla riots. I remember the talkback frenzy well. Most recent in the media was the unrelated Skaff rape trial.

However, none of them were confirmed, substantiated, convicted, or to my knowledge, even investigated. It’s why your book chapter (Together exterminate the enemy at Cronulla. Send this to every Lion of Lebanon) notes the lack of sexual assault prosecutions in general. Paradoxically, it also notes a rise in sexual abuse statistics statewide, subtly inferring a Muslim (or Leb) attribution to the rise.

Paul Sheehan is the author of another book, Among the Barbarians, a book that seeks to " lift the veil of intimidation" surrounding multicultural policies and debate. In the chapter you’ve referenced, he attempts to blame the Cronulla riot on the Lebs, hence the chapter title.

It’s unashamedly biased, but then, aren’t you?

A perfect old boy reference on a classic old boy issue. Good work.

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:48am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:59am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events. Now you’re getting there. Talkback rumours of Lebs targeting "our women" on Cronulla beach, backed up.with the completely unrelated Skaff ttial. Still, none of this is in your book, old boy. Shurely shome mishtake, no? Yeah, if page 63-4 are not part of the book then it's not in it. Thanks for a more accurate reference, old boy. Your book describes how sexual assaults are rarely reported, and rarely charged and convicted. It then goes on to describe 3 unsubstantiated reports of sexual "taunts" by Lebs: "suck my cock, slut"; "you know you want it", etc. One was alleged after the riot took place. None of these taunts were investigated by police. I know these allegations had an influence on the Cronulla riots. I remember the talkback frenzy well. Most recent in the media was the unrelated Skaff rape trial. However, none of them were confirmed, substantiated, convicted, or to my knowledge, even investigated. It’s why your book chapter (Together exterminate the enemy at Cronulla. Send this to every Lion of Lebanon) notes the lack of sexual assault prosecutions in general. Paradoxically, it also notes a rise in sexual abuse statistics statewide, subtly inferring a Muslim (or Leb) attribution to the rise. Paul Sheehan is the author of another book, Among the Barbarians, a book that seeks to " lift the veil of intimidation" surrounding multicultural policies and debate. In the chapter you’ve references, he attempts to blame the Cronulla riot on the Lebs, hence the chapter title. Cunning, no?

Re blame -who do you blame for the years of harassment of beach goers by Lebanese youths? Did they feel marginalised and discriminated against so they ha no choice to hassle the women, life saver and anyone else ho my have told them off?


I blame the lack of government funded yuf outreach programs. If the government is not lavishly funding such program to tell Lebanese yufs how to behave on the beach, how can they  be expected to know?? It was Howard's fault, and Dubyas of course. Every Lebanese schoolboy knows that.

Why did we let them come here?       :'(

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Why did we let them come here?       :'(

Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Why did we let them come here?       :'( Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country.

I didn't know Fraser was a Jew.

That explains everything.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Why did we let them come here?       :'( Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country. I didn't know Fraser was a Jew. That explains everything.

His mother is Jewish. Very interesting indeed Bobby.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Why did we let them come here?       :'( Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country. I didn't know Fraser was a Jew. That explains everything.

His mum was Jewish on her Dads side. So not the most heavy Jewish links I've ever seen.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:56pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Why did we let them come here?       :'( Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country. I didn't know Fraser was a Jew. That explains everything. His mother is Jewish. Very interesting indeed Bobby.

They are all Jews:


http://images.smh.com.au/2011/12/13/2836913/former-pms-420x0.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:56pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Why did we let them come here?       :'( Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country. I didn't know Fraser was a Jew. That explains everything. His mother is Jewish. Very interesting indeed Bobby. They are all Jews: http://images.smh.com.au/2011/12/13/2836913/former-pms-420x0.jpg

What a pack of jewish bum lickers. Fraser would of liked that photo op.

Fraser probably wanted to fill Australia up with Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims to empty out Israel so the Jews could grab some land for settlements.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/could-of-or-could-have

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:48am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:59am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events. Now you’re getting there. Talkback rumours of Lebs targeting "our women" on Cronulla beach, backed up.with the completely unrelated Skaff ttial. Still, none of this is in your book, old boy. Shurely shome mishtake, no? Yeah, if page 63-4 are not part of the book then it's not in it. Thanks for a more accurate reference, old boy. Your book describes how sexual assaults are rarely reported, and rarely charged and convicted. It then goes on to describe 3 unsubstantiated reports of sexual "taunts" by Lebs: "suck my cock, slut"; "you know you want it", etc. One was alleged after the riot took place. None of these taunts were investigated by police. I know these allegations had an influence on the Cronulla riots. I remember the talkback frenzy well. Most recent in the media was the unrelated Skaff rape trial. However, none of them were confirmed, substantiated, convicted, or to my knowledge, even investigated. It’s why your book chapter (Together exterminate the enemy at Cronulla. Send this to every Lion of Lebanon) notes the lack of sexual assault prosecutions in general. Paradoxically, it also notes a rise in sexual abuse statistics statewide, subtly inferring a Muslim (or Leb) attribution to the rise. Paul Sheehan is the author of another book, Among the Barbarians, a book that seeks to " lift the veil of intimidation" surrounding multicultural policies and debate. In the chapter you’ve references, he attempts to blame the Cronulla riot on the Lebs, hence the chapter title. Cunning, no? Re blame -who do you blame for the years of harassment of beach goers by Lebanese youths?

I have heard very few accounts of actual harrassment of beach goers. I have no doubt a few incidents happened, but I believe the majority were conflicts between groups of people. The rest I heard - the talkback frenzy - were rumours of things that happened to others. I heard this... my mate told me that...

Why did we hear of no harrassment of beach goers at other beaches?

Cronulla beach is insular and parochial. The Shire is one of the "whitest" suburbs in Sydney. You used to see "locals only" spraypainted at various points around the northern end. You may have seen or read Puberty Blues, Kathy Lette's book about Cronulla in the late 1970s. The sport back then in Cronulla, after football and surfing, was bashing up the "Westies" - Western Suburbs residents who "invaded" Cronulla beach.

Interestingly, there's a fight scene in the film where the surfers have it out with the lifesavers - surfer outlaws versus the lifesaver lawmakers.

In 2005, it seems, the Lebs became the new outlaws. The main groups of Lebs who hit the beach and its picnic areas are families - big families. There's often conflict over space, and I know Lebs are very protective of their mothers and sisters.

The incident that led to the Cronulla riot - the argument over a soccer ball - was apparently about Lebs protecting the honour of the the women they were with. That's their story, anyway.

The events that led to the Cronulla riot were part of a turf war. This "war" reflected the changing racial demographic of the southern suburbs as Arabs moved south and south-west, stopping short of the Tom Ugly Bridge, the Shire's geographical border.

Knowing the defensiveness and hostility of Shire locals, and knowing the hotheaded temprament of Lebs, there were bound to be conflicts - just as there have always been conflicts between Shire locals and anyone else who has visited "their" beach since Federation: larrakins, bodgies, widgies, Westies, and Lebs. Cronulla is famous for it.

Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory. The difference with the Cronulla riot is that it was organized by outsiders and flamed by talkback radio and the tabloids.

And the Lebs, once provoked, were just as bad.

But then, you knew all that already. You know, with your comprehensive knowledge of Australian history and culture.

You studied it at the prestigious University of Balogney, no?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Why did we let them come here?[   :'(

Perhaps a better question is, "why did we ignore them and not support them once they arrived, Bobby?"

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 10:37pm: Australian-news.net?  Hardly an unbiased source, Herbie.  Biassed?

Yes.


Quote:

But is it publishing lies?

It is, like most news sources publishing half-truths, innuendo and bullshit, Herbie as you well know.

I'm disappointed that you feel it is more important to troll than seriously discuss issues.  Where is the old Herbie, whom I knew and respected on Debate and Relate?  He seems to have been replaced by this new facet of your personality.  Perhaps you've decided it's easier to lead the pack of hounds than just be another baying in the pack and so become more and more extreme.    ::)

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events. The rioters could not have targeted Danish youths, to think of another random efnik group.

So, Soren, was it wrong for these "Lebanese youths" to "harass" these "sluts"?

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Paul Sheehan

Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like?

Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::)

http://images.powerhousemuseum.com/images/zoomify/TLF_mediums/244762.jpg

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 1:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:56pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm: Why did we let them come here?       :'( Blame that jewboy Malcom Fraser. He flooded the country with Lebanese Muslims fresh from levelling their country. I didn't know Fraser was a Jew. That explains everything. His mother is Jewish. Very interesting indeed Bobby. They are all Jews: http://images.smh.com.au/2011/12/13/2836913/former-pms-420x0.jpg What a pack of jewish bum lickers. Fraser would of liked that photo op.

I'm waiting for one of you to mention The Protocols of the Elders of Zion...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::)

Media Watch??  You must be joking.

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:47pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:48am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:59am: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:21am: Oh, I did. Nothing to support the subtle Herbie claim that the Cronulla riots was a response to Muslims raping our women. Well, it may not have been the direct or sole cause but it was certainly not irrelevant. The years of harassment by Lebanese youths was a decisive reason and that harassment was very strongly directed towards 'sluts', ie Australian girls on the beach. The Lebanese were not randomly singled out, targeted without reason. The Skaf and the Khans (Pakistanis !) were recent events. Now you’re getting there. Talkback rumours of Lebs targeting "our women" on Cronulla beach, backed up.with the completely unrelated Skaff ttial. Still, none of this is in your book, old boy. Shurely shome mishtake, no? Yeah, if page 63-4 are not part of the book then it's not in it. Thanks for a more accurate reference, old boy. Your book describes how sexual assaults are rarely reported, and rarely charged and convicted. It then goes on to describe 3 unsubstantiated reports of sexual "taunts" by Lebs: "suck my cock, slut"; "you know you want it", etc. One was alleged after the riot took place. None of these taunts were investigated by police. I know these allegations had an influence on the Cronulla riots. I remember the talkback frenzy well. Most recent in the media was the unrelated Skaff rape trial. However, none of them were confirmed, substantiated, convicted, or to my knowledge, even investigated. It’s why your book chapter (Together exterminate the enemy at Cronulla. Send this to every Lion of Lebanon) notes the lack of sexual assault prosecutions in general. Paradoxically, it also notes a rise in sexual abuse statistics statewide, subtly inferring a Muslim (or Leb) attribution to the rise. Paul Sheehan is the author of another book, Among the Barbarians, a book that seeks to " lift the veil of intimidation" surrounding multicultural policies and debate. In the chapter you’ve references, he attempts to blame the Cronulla riot on the Lebs, hence the chapter title. Cunning, no? Re blame -who do you blame for the years of harassment of beach goers by Lebanese youths? I have heard very few accounts of actual harrassment of beach goers. I have no doubt a few incidents happened, but I believe the majority were conflicts between groups of people. The rest I heard - the talkback frenzy - were rumours of things that happened to others. I heard this... my mate told me that... Why did we hear of no harrassment of beach goers at other beaches? Cronulla beach is insular and parochial. The Shire is one of the "whitest" suburbs in Sydney. You used to see "locals only" spraypainted at various points around the northern end. You may have seen or read Puberty Blues, Kathy Lette's book about Cronulla in the late 1970s. The sport back then in Cronulla, after football and surfing, was bashing up the "Westies" - Western Suburbs residents who "invaded" Cronulla beach. Interestingly, there's a fight scene in the film where the surfers have it out with the lifesavers - surfer outlaws versus the lifesaver lawmakers. In 2005, it seems, the Lebs became the new outlaws. The main groups of Lebs who hit the beach and its picnic areas are families - big families. There's often conflict over space, and I know Lebs are very protective of their mothers and sisters. The incident that led to the Cronulla riot - the argument over a soccer ball - was apparently about Lebs protecting the honour of the the women they were with. That's their story, anyway. The events that led to the Cronulla riot were part of a turf war. This "war" reflected the changing racial demographic of the southern suburbs as Arabs moved south and south-west, stopping short of the Tom Ugly Bridge, the Shire's geographical border. Knowing the defensiveness and hostility of Shire locals, and knowing the hotheaded temprament of Lebs, there were bound to be conflicts - just as there have always been conflicts between Shire locals and anyone else who has visited "their" beach since Federation: larrakins, bodgies, widgies, Westies, and Lebs. Cronulla is famous for it. Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory. The difference with the Cronulla riot is that it was organized by outsiders and flamed by talkback radio and the tabloids. And the Lebs, once provoked, were just as bad. But then, you knew all that already. You know, with your comprehensive knowledge of Australian history and culture. You studied it at the prestigious University of Balogney, no?

Links Karnal?.as you well know I lived there for 9 years when I first came back from the UK in 98...we have had this discussion before..
It seems to me that you reinvent the facts to suit your agenda whilst I have only ever tried to tell you what actually happened in the years leading up to and the day when the final straw broke the camels back.

So why are you asking me for links?

I gave you copious links, including a review into the Cronulla riot by the NSW police.

If you didn’t read it then, why are you asking for it now?

I’m.curious.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Where is the old Herbie, whom I knew and respected on Debate and Relate?

He has dreadful migraines reading your constant hatred of every religion other that islam I would suggest! You are an Christianophobe, Hinduophobe and a Buddistophobe considering these religions are all around the globe I assert you are also the biggest racist bigot here.


Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Debate and Relate

Nobody post's, its a carcass, you stuffed it brian, well done, carry on it worked in the past for you. Why don't you stay there with your sock puppet Captain Starlight.

PS what's it like taking to yourself?

Sorry, brumbie, I just realised.

You want to have the same argument each and every day for the rest of your life. Like the old boy. Like FD.

Knock yourself out. I hear you.

I haven't mentioned Cronulla since the last time perhaps 14 months ago..so yet again you are lying...the main discrepancy Karnal is that I lived there and you didn't...you are basing your entire argument on media . I am basing mine on on actual experience.

To suggest that : "Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory." is fanciful. Anything else about Cronulla has been discussed between us in previous posts. As I recall you doubted the fact that I was attacked by muslims on the kingsway and so further dialogue between us about Cronulla is pointless.

brumbie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

To suggest that : "Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory." is fanciful. Anything else about Cronulla has been discussed between us in previous posts. As I recall you doubted the fact that I was attacked by muslims on the kingsway and so further dialogue between us about Cronulla is pointless.

Ah, but you're forgetting they weren't true muslims. Depending which side you bat for, true muslims would either:
(a) not have done it, or
(b) chopped your head off, so
either way you wouldn't be telling K-dog about it.

brumbie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

I haven't mentioned Cronulla since the last time perhaps 14 months ago..so yet again you are lying...the main discrepancy Karnal is that I lived there and you didn't...you are basing your entire argument on media . I am basing mine on on actual experience.

That’s strange. You argued exactly that 18 months ago.

You gave up when we started discussing specifics.

Brumbie, I promise not to disagree with your old arguments. Never ever.

It’s all been done.

Adamant wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:16pm: Where is the old Herbie, whom I knew and respected on Debate and Relate? He has dreadful migraines reading your constant hatred of every religion other that islam I would suggest! You are an Christianophobe, Hinduophobe and a Buddistophobe considering these religions are all around the globe I assert you are also the biggest racist bigot here.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128184/2460157-yawn_20smiley.jpg


Quote:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:16pm: Debate and Relate Nobody post's, its a carcass, you stuffed it brian, well done, carry on it worked in the past for you. Why don't you stay there with your sock puppet Captain Starlight. PS what's it like taking to yourself?

Wouldn't know.  Starlight a sock puppet?   ::)

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::) Media Watch??  You must be joking.

So, you can prove what was said, wrong, Soren?

Interesting that Sheehan never took action over what was said.   Perhaps his problem was it was all true?    ::)

I think i understand, Pecker. Instead of writing, 'Greg would of liked to jerk off while watching kiddie porn', i should have posted, 'Greg would HAVE liked to jerk off while watching kiddie porn'. Is that right?

brumbie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

I haven't mentioned Cronulla since the last time perhaps 14 months ago..so yet again you are lying...the main discrepancy Karnal is that I lived there and you didn't...you are basing your entire argument on media . I am basing mine on on actual experience. To suggest that : "Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory." is fanciful. Anything else about Cronulla has been discussed between us in previous posts. As I recall you doubted the fact that I was attacked by muslims on the kingsway and so further dialogue between us about Cronulla is pointless.

That’s right, Brumbie. I did indeed question you being "attacked" when, if I remember rightly, you said that a few Lebs shouted something at you from their car.

And herein lies the problem with the "I was there" argument. It’s all based on rumours, heresay and gross distortions. You yourself said you were  in Cronulla at the time but had nothing to do with the riot.

No one doubts that the Shire is one of the most insular parts of Sydney. Locals pride themselves on it. It’s no mistake that the Cronulla riot did not happen in Bondi, or Dee Why, or Coogee. Too many European Jews, Japanese tourists and backpackers.

And yes, Leb families prevail on those beaches too.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:48pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:16pm: Where is the old Herbie, whom I knew and respected on Debate and Relate? He has dreadful migraines reading your constant hatred of every religion other that islam I would suggest! You are an Christianophobe, Hinduophobe and a Buddistophobe considering these religions are all around the globe I assert you are also the biggest racist bigot here. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128184/2460157-yawn_20smiley.jpg Quote: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:16pm: Debate and Relate Nobody post's, its a carcass, you stuffed it brian, well done, carry on it worked in the past for you. Why don't you stay there with your sock puppet Captain Starlight. PS what's it like taking to yourself? Wouldn't know.  Starlight a sock puppet?

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Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

brumbie wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:02pm: I haven't mentioned Cronulla since the last time perhaps 14 months ago..so yet again you are lying...the main discrepancy Karnal is that I lived there and you didn't...you are basing your entire argument on media . I am basing mine on on actual experience. To suggest that : "Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory." is fanciful. Anything else about Cronulla has been discussed between us in previous posts. As I recall you doubted the fact that I was attacked by muslims on the kingsway and so further dialogue between us about Cronulla is pointless. That’s right, Brumbie. I did indeed question you being "attacked" when, if I remember rightly, you said that a few Lebs shouted something at you from their car. And herein lies the problem with the "I was there" argument. It’s all based on rumours, heresay and gross distortions. You yourself said you were  in Cronulla at the time but had nothing to do with the riot. No one doubts that the Shire is one of the most insular parts of Sydney. Locals pride themselves on it. It’s no mistake that the Cronulla riot did not happen in Bondi, or Dee Why, or Coogee. Too many European Jews, Japanese tourists and backpackers. And yes, Leb families prevail on those beaches too.

Your bigotry is showing brumbie. You were not attacked by "Muslims". You were attacked by a "tiny minority" of Muslims. You also failed to disclose every time in your life that you have been attacked by non-Muslims. If you can't think of any, bring up the inquisition, just to be certain people know you are not biased.

It would save Brian and Karnal a lot of trouble.

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:16am: brumbie wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:02pm: I haven't mentioned Cronulla since the last time perhaps 14 months ago..so yet again you are lying...the main discrepancy Karnal is that I lived there and you didn't...you are basing your entire argument on media . I am basing mine on on actual experience. To suggest that : "Cronulla locals have always taken exception to outsiders in large groups. They have often organized posses, and they have always used biffo to defend their territory." is fanciful. Anything else about Cronulla has been discussed between us in previous posts. As I recall you doubted the fact that I was attacked by muslims on the kingsway and so further dialogue between us about Cronulla is pointless. That’s right, Brumbie. I did indeed question you being "attacked" when, if I remember rightly, you said that a few Lebs shouted something at you from their car. And herein lies the problem with the "I was there" argument. It’s all based on rumours, heresay and gross distortions. You yourself said you were  in Cronulla at the time but had nothing to do with the riot. No one doubts that the Shire is one of the most insular parts of Sydney. Locals pride themselves on it. It’s no mistake that the Cronulla riot did not happen in Bondi, or Dee Why, or Coogee. Too many European Jews, Japanese tourists and backpackers. And yes, Leb families prevail on those beaches too. Your bigotry is showing brumbie. You were not attacked by "Muslims". You were attacked by a "tiny minority" of Muslims. You also failed to disclose every time in your life that you have been attacked by non-Muslims. If you can't think of any, bring up the inquisition, just to be certain people know you are not biased. It would save Brian and Karnal a lot of trouble.

What do you think, FD? Is being called a "white cnt"  from a passing car on the Kingsway an attack? Brumbie doesn't know if they were Muslims or not. How would he?

I'm curious. I'd like to know what you think.

No one has the right to not be offended, don't they?

I forget.

Supplimentary question, FD: is being called a "white cnt" from a passing car of non-Muslims an attack?

I'm curious.

Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Supplimentary question, FD: is being called a "white cnt" from a passing car of non-Muslims an attack? I'm curious.

In your case probably more an appraisal than an attack.

But I don't have all the detail so I am only guessing on the basis of what I know.

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 1:55pm: Supplimentary question, FD: is being called a "white cnt" from a passing car of non-Muslims an attack? I'm curious. In your case probably more an appraisal than an attack. But I don't have all the detail so I am only guessing on the basis of what I know.

That’s the spirit.

After all, I’d need a proper medical examination to determine my whiteness, no? Correlation not causation, innit.

I am, of course a complete cnt. No University of Balogney training needed there.

You’re more of a Kraut, no?

Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

I am, of course a complete cnt.

At last, he speaks the truth!

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

::)

That's you in a smiley, Brain. And to think you are a man in your twilight years, still rolling your eyes like a third-grader.

F***g sad.

MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 7:49pm: I am, of course a complete cnt. At last, he speaks the truth!

Treasure it, a rare event.

Not often will you find such lucid, self-reflecting insight among all the gibberish PB usually posts.

Karnal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

I am, of course a complete cnt. No University of Balogney training needed there.

Of course no training is needed.  You are a complete autodidact cnt.

Kudos. It's all entirely due to your own efforts. There must be a prize you could nominate for.

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 7:52pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 7:49pm: I am, of course a complete cnt. At last, he speaks the truth! Treasure it, a rare event. Not often will you find such lucid, self-reflecting insight among all the gibberish PB usually posts.

Four PB gibberish posts in a row. All number ones.

It’s time for beddie byes, old boy.

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 7:49pm: I am, of course a complete cnt. No University of Balogney training needed there. Of course no training is needed.  You are a complete autodidac

Do you mean I post the same thing over and over again?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:50pm:     ::) That's you in a smiley, Brain. And to think you are a man in your twilight years, still rolling your eyes like a third-grader. F***g sad.

"Twilight years"?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::) Media Watch??  You must be joking. So, you can prove what was said, wrong, Soren? Interesting that Sheehan never took action over what was said.   Perhaps his problem was it was all true?    ::)

There was nothing in that Media Watch report, other than puffery. And that is not unusual at all.

Paul Sheehan, the man who started this frenzy, assures Media Watch that he heard all the warning bells and confronted Dr Beckett

“I have attacked every weakness in the man.”
“We are paid to debunk hocus pocus”
“I did a tremendous amount of reporting.”

Sheehan's article does include some qualifications.

“There are questions which simply cannot be answered until there have been more clinical trials”
Good Weekend 6 April 2002

More clinical trials? There haven't been any human trials. There are none underway.

There is the placebo effect, which in a product like this is potentially significant.
Good Weekend 6 April 2002

That's very true.

Plenty of tap water can do an amazing amount for sore limbs and general health.
Good Weekend 6 April 2002



Yawn.

Yawn enough for you to yawn at a most yawnworthy post, dear boy.

Keep on yawning. We’ll have staff put you down.

Soren wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:50pm: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::) Media Watch??  You must be joking. So, you can prove what was said, wrong, Soren? Interesting that Sheehan never took action over what was said.   Perhaps his problem was it was all true?    ::) There was nothing in that Media Watch report, other than puffery. And that is not unusual at all.

You mean like Sheehan's puff piece on miracle water?   ::)

And you stop making him yawn. I’m yawning myself.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::) http://images.powerhousemuseum.com/images/zoomify/TLF_mediums/244762.jpg

"Implicated", eh? "He claimed it was a cure", eh?
AN article in a weekend lifestyle supplement.
You are very good at this innuendo crap, Brain, just like Media Watch. And you do it to deflect from the book by Sheehan  I referred to. Because you cannot answer the points raised there, you turn to Media Watch and innuendo. But even the Media Watch puff piece acknowledged that Sheehan made no such claims.


Your habitual dishonesty is outrageous.

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::) http://images.powerhousemuseum.com/images/zoomify/TLF_mediums/244762.jpg "Implicated", eh? "He claimed it was a cure", eh? AN article in a weekend lifestyle supplement. You are very good at this innuendo crap, Brain, just like Media Watch. And you do it to deflect from the book by Sheehan  I referred to. Because you cannot answer the points raised there, you turn to Media Watch and innuendo. But even the Media Watch puff piece acknowledged that Sheehan made no such claims. Your habitual dishonesty is outrageous.

Soren, I wasn't even replying to a post by you.  How long have you had such feelings of paranoia?  ::)

Sore’s a Freudian. They suffer from feelings of persecution.

It’s best to mind your manners with them. They’re quite easily offended.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Paul Sheehan Is this the same Paul Sheehan who never met an Asian dictator that he didn't like? Is this the same Paul Sheehan who was heavily implicated in a "unique waters" con? Which he claimed was a cure for chronic pain, despite there being no scientific evidence to back it?   ::) http://images.powerhousemuseum.com/images/zoomify/TLF_mediums/244762.jpg "Implicated", eh? "He claimed it was a cure", eh? AN article in a weekend lifestyle supplement. You are very good at this innuendo crap, Brain, just like Media Watch. And you do it to deflect from the book by Sheehan  I referred to. Because you cannot answer the points raised there, you turn to Media Watch and innuendo. But even the Media Watch puff piece acknowledged that Sheehan made no such claims. Your habitual dishonesty is outrageous. Soren, I wasn't even replying to a post by you.  How long have you had such feelings of paranoia?  ::)

So you are not dishonest??

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

So you are not dishonest??

Are you honest?

I won't claim to be 100% pure, as the driven snow, Soren.   Generally however, I try and be honest as I possibly can.    Do you?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:35pm: So you are not dishonest?? Are you honest? I won't claim to be 100% pure, as the driven snow, Soren.   Generally however, I try and be honest as I possibly can.    Do you?   ::)

Your world would collapse if you were honest. Your entire stance is based on dishonesty.

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:39pm: Soren wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:35pm: So you are not dishonest?? Are you honest? I won't claim to be 100% pure, as the driven snow, Soren.   Generally however, I try and be honest as I possibly can.    Do you?   ::) Your world would collapse if you were honest. Your entire stance is based on dishonesty.

Really?  And you have evidence to support that, Soren?   ::)

i wish i was there

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