Newman was warned of what would happen if he slashed funding to mental health but he did it anyway.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-07/warnings-over-barrett-centre-closure/5876072

I just read this story on the News Crow and looked to see if anyone had started a thread on the topic.....The Newman Government was warned that closing the centre would put these young people at risk and ignored their advise.....Newman does indeed have blood on his hands and should take responsibility for his poor decisions.....Why have enquiries and independent advice when all they do is ignore it and do what they always intended to do anyway???

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

I just read this story on the News Crow and looked to see if anyone had started a thread on the topic.....The Newman Government was warned that closing the centre would put these young people at risk and ignored their advise.....Newman does indeed have blood on his hands and should take responsibility for his poor decisions.....Why have enquiries and independent advice when all they do is ignore it and do what they always intended to do anyway??? >:( >:( >:(

Independent commission of audits in LNP terms means, boys club do the research and get paid to say what LNP want them to say.

Its time wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 9:15am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 9:10am: I just read this story on the News Crow and looked to see if anyone had started a thread on the topic.....The Newman Government was warned that closing the centre would put these young people at risk and ignored their advise.....Newman does indeed have blood on his hands and should take responsibility for his poor decisions.....Why have enquiries and independent advice when all they do is ignore it and do what they always intended to do anyway??? >:( >:( >:( Independent commission of audits in LNP terms means, boys club do the research and get paid to say what LNP want them to say.

Or frame the terms of reference to exclude looking at Government actions (AWB) or refuse to allow public servants to give evidence at the enquiry (children overboard) or look into union corruption but not big business involvement (RCTU) or dismantle institutions that will provide advise the Government does not want to hear.....Even place Liberal hacks who have lost their seats (Mirabella) into positions where they can influence a preconceived outcome that supports the party rhetoric.....How people cannot see through the obvious manipulation of democracy to push an ideological agenda shows how self interest trumps fairness every time in Australian society!!!

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

Its time wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 9:15am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 9:10am: I just read this story on the News Crow and looked to see if anyone had started a thread on the topic.....The Newman Government was warned that closing the centre would put these young people at risk and ignored their advise.....Newman does indeed have blood on his hands and should take responsibility for his poor decisions.....Why have enquiries and independent advice when all they do is ignore it and do what they always intended to do anyway??? >:( >:( >:( Independent commission of audits in LNP terms means, boys club do the research and get paid to say what LNP want them to say. Or frame the terms of reference to exclude looking at Government actions (AWB) or refuse to allow public servants to give evidence at the enquiry (children overboard) or look into union corruption but not big business involvement (RCTU) or dismantle institutions that will provide advise the Government does not want to hear.....Even place Liberal hacks who have lost their seats (Mirabella) into positions where they can influence a preconceived outcome that supports the party rhetoric.....How people cannot see through the obvious manipulation of democracy to push an ideological agenda shows how self interest trumps fairness every time in Australian society!!! >:( >:( >:(

I expect justice will be seen to be done and that will be the end of it.

Those deceased young people and their families deserve better.

The Newman government is prolific at pulling funding from the most vulnerable in our society in order to give a helping hand to the mega rich.

Just terrible, especially in light of the QLD governments recent pork barreling of the seat of Ashgrove.

Of course, to a lot of politicians, keeping your own seat and nepotism are more important than making sure your states most vulnerable are looked after.

The federal labor government is guilty of murder for ignoring advice that lead to 1200 deaths at sea. When's the trial?

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

The federal labor government is guilty of murder for ignoring advice that lead to 1200 deaths at sea. When's the trial?

There is no official record of deaths at sea under either government, however, it is around 800 Coalition and 850 or so Labor.   These figures also presume a number lost at sea and unaccounted for.   By far the largest was the SIEV 10 incident that occurred under the Coalition where over 300 men, woman and children died in one foul swoop.   There is a memorial erected in Canberra to them, the Government was so ashamed of such a huge loss - the biggest so far in Asylum Seeker deaths.

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

The federal labor government is guilty of murder for ignoring advice that lead to 1200 deaths at sea. When's the trial?

The people who died at sea where not under the jurisdiction of the Australian Government so any enquiry would place the blame on the people smugglers.....However in circumstances such as SIEV X where the Australian Government may have deliberately ignored intelligence that a vessel was in distress and directed search and rescue away from the area a case could be made!!!

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Quote:

Three hundred and fifty-three lives were lost on October 19, 2001 when SIEV X foundered. Most were women and children.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-17/hutton-sievx-ten-years-on-the-questions-remain/3574870

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/18/1032054822434.html

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/sievx-o19.html

It's a shame Governments cant fund everything.
Either way, Newman's got a massive deficit to reduce thanks to previous successive state Labor government spendathons in Queensland.
It matters little how governments try to reduce spending or raise revenue, as there will always be those ready to complain.

He built a big new building to house his Dept—so his priorities are wrong and he is guilty for the three deaths due to his stupid cuts to the Qld PS.

His deficits are more to do with the collapse of coal and coal royalties.

Vic wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 10:53am:

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 10:38am: The federal labor government is guilty of murder for ignoring advice that lead to 1200 deaths at sea. When's the trial? There is no official record of deaths at sea under either government, however, it is around 800 Coalition and 850 or so Labor.   These figures also presume a number lost at sea and unaccounted for.   By far the largest was the SIEV 10 incident that occurred under the Coalition where over 300 men, woman and children died in one foul swoop.   There is a memorial erected in Canberra to them, the Government was so ashamed of such a huge loss - the biggest so far in Asylum Seeker deaths.

As long as the SIEV X disaster remains uninvestigated and surrounded in a fog of suspicion regarding possible Australian culpability, then it is extremely cynical, if not morally reprehensible for Labor to use this tragedy as fodder for their political propaganda to demonstrate the dangers of attempting to enter Australia irregularly by boat. They have it in their power to remove the stench surrounding this issue by holding the long-overdue inquiry that they pledged back in 2004.

The Drum

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 11:16am:

He built a big new building to house his Dept—so his priorities are wrong and he is guilty for the three deaths due to his stupid cuts to the Qld PS. His deficits are more to do with the collapse of coal and coal royalties.

The Qld parliament gave themselves a BIG, HUGE pay rise. If it was for performance, they should have taken a 50% cut....at least.

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

Vic wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 10:53am: Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 10:38am: The federal labor government is guilty of murder for ignoring advice that lead to 1200 deaths at sea. When's the trial? There is no official record of deaths at sea under either government, however, it is around 800 Coalition and 850 or so Labor.   These figures also presume a number lost at sea and unaccounted for.   By far the largest was the SIEV 10 incident that occurred under the Coalition where over 300 men, woman and children died in one foul swoop.   There is a memorial erected in Canberra to them, the Government was so ashamed of such a huge loss - the biggest so far in Asylum Seeker deaths. As long as the SIEV X disaster remains uninvestigated and surrounded in a fog of suspicion regarding possible Australian culpability, then it is extremely cynical, if not morally reprehensible for Labor to use this tragedy as fodder for their political propaganda to demonstrate the dangers of attempting to enter Australia irregularly by boat. They have it in their power to remove the stench surrounding this issue by holding the long-overdue inquiry that they pledged back in 2004. The Drum

After the witch hunts Abbott has instigated I am sure the Labor party now regret their reluctance to hold the Coalition to account......Labor no doubt thought if they let the Coalition off the hook they would reciprocate in kind.....Tony Abbott however is not someone who would let political advantage slip and will use every avenue possible to attack his political opponents regardless of the cost or long standing conventions.....I hope the ALP learn from this and hold Abbott to account once he is thrown on the scrap heap by the electorate!!!

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The Spartans had a good system where after their leaders finished ruling they had a trial and if they where found to have acted corruptly they where punished!!!

:) :) :)

Lets hope that when Labor wins the next Queensland election that they hold Newman to account for these deaths.
If the LNP are consistent they need to take full blame for these dead teenagers

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 11:13am:

It's a shame Governments cant fund everything.

If you honestly believe that cutting money that would have saved these three people's lives is worse spent than pork barreling in your own seat and giving yourself a pay rise then you are a terrible, terrible person.

I've said it before and I'll say it again

NEWMAN IS SCUM

Where are all the conservative supporters who were outraged by the supposed pink bat deaths ?

How about a bit of consistency.

This story is so sad and should have been avoidable.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Where are all the conservative supporters who were outraged by the supposed pink bat deaths ? How about a bit of consistency. This story is so sad and should have been avoidable.

they're all hiding from the heat under their pink batts insulated roofs .....  ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 1:10pm: Where are all the conservative supporters who were outraged by the supposed pink bat deaths ? How about a bit of consistency. This story is so sad and should have been avoidable. they're all hiding from the heat under their pink batts insulated roofs .....  ;D ;D ;D ;D

At least with roof insulation Labor were trying to do something positive, this is about death by cost cutting.

Really mean, nasty and outrageous.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 1:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 1:10pm: Where are all the conservative supporters who were outraged by the supposed pink bat deaths ? How about a bit of consistency. This story is so sad and should have been avoidable. they're all hiding from the heat under their pink batts insulated roofs .....  ;D ;D ;D ;D At least with roof insulation Labor were trying to do something positive, this is about death by cost cutting. Really mean, nasty and outrageous.

Yep,..unlike the home insulation scheme this has nothing to do with poor industry standards in some states...these are deaths in a state run health care system caused directly by Newmans savage cuts

Stratos wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 11:13am: It's a shame Governments cant fund everything. If you honestly believe that cutting money that would have saved these three people's lives is worse spent than pork barreling in your own seat and giving yourself a pay rise then you are a terrible, terrible person.

You know there is no guarantee that if funding wasn't cut, these people would still be alive today.
These three killed themselves, as others do around the country seven days a week and every other day of the year.
And I know nothing about pork barrelling here in the north, and neither do you.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

You know there is no guarantee that if funding wasn't cut, these people would still be alive today.

true, but I can guarantee that if funding hadn't been cut, they wouldn't have died because of the governments penny pinching.  :D :D :D

We need a Royal Commission into these deaths.....If the Newman Government is found to have ignored advise that these closures would result in deaths then they need to be held responsible!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

We need a Royal Commission into these deaths.....If the Newman Government is found to have ignored advise that these closures would result in deaths then they need to be held responsible!!! :-? :-? :-?

He'll be booted out soon so a full investigation followed by criminal proceedings can begin then.

When are Rudd/Gillard/Bowen going to be charged for the 1200 refugees they drowned at sea?

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

When are Rudd/Gillard/Bowen going to be charged for the 1200 refugees they drowned at sea?

At about the same time Howard is charged with the murder of thousands of Iraqis.

It was called a war, Aussie. Do you need me to explain?

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

When are Rudd/Gillard/Bowen going to be charged for the 1200 refugees they drowned at sea?

What charges could be brought against them.....People who chose to seek asylum in countries that have signed the refugee convention take their own risks and cannot be prevented from leaving another nation.....The Australian Government has no responsibility for asylum seekers until they enter their jurisdiction and then should uphold the rule of law in protecting their human rights.....Your call for charges to be laid against the Australian Government is idiotic!!!

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Labor chose to open up the borders because they know SOOOOOO much more than their opponents.  They were warned of what could happen.  Events transpired in accordance with those warnings. The arrogance and  elitism that drove Labor to ignore those warnings lead to those deaths. It also had a big hand in leading to labor's capitulation and ending a whole bunch of careers. Keep ignoring the people labor, I dare you.

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Labor chose to open up the borders because they know SOOOOOO much more than their opponents.  They were warned of what could happen.  Events transpired in accordance with those warnings. The arrogance and  elitism that drove Labor to ignore those warnings lead to those deaths. It also had a big hand in leading to labor's capitulation and ending a whole bunch of careers. Keep ignoring the people labor, I dare you.

You did not answer the question.....What would the Australian Government be charged with???

:-? :-? :-?

Criminal negligence.

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:

Criminal negligence.

and you should be charged with criminal stupidity .....

Haven't you got some boat people to evict, spastic?

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:

Criminal negligence.

Then you agree using the same criteria that the Newman Government should also be charged with the same crime???

:-? :-? :-?

you have to be kidding, successive governments  have been closing down mental health faciilties all over australia for decades and all of a sudden its  an issue?

I was just about to agree when Ian's point gave me pause. That's right, neither party,  state or federal has ever shown too much compassion toward the mentally ill.

ian wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

you have to be kidding, successive governments  have been closing down mental health faciilties all over australia for decades and all of a sudden its  an issue?

It has always been an issue and Governments have been warned that closing down health services have consequences.....I am sure the Newman Government did not want these deaths to occur but unless Governments of all persuasions put the interests of vulnerable people before saving a few dollars this will continue to happen.....The Governments first job is to protect its citizens not ignore them!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

I was just about to agree when Ian's point gave me pause. That's right, neither party,  state or federal has ever shown too much compassion toward the mentally ill.

NDIS!!!

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Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

I was just about to agree when Ian's point gave me pause. That's right, neither party,  state or federal has ever shown too much compassion toward the mentally ill.

That must be very frustrating for you, Bubba.

Indeed it is Greggory. Care for cancer sufferers, not a problem. Aids, you have our full sympathy.  Mental illness; you're a demon full deserving of a life of poverty and stigmatism. Doesn't your compassion extend far enough to show compassion for sick Australians, Greggory?

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Indeed it is Greggory. Care for cancer sufferers, not a problem. Aids, you have our full sympathy.  Mental illness; you're a demon full deserving of a life of poverty and stigmatism. Doesn't your compassion extend far enough to show compassion for sick Australians, Greggory?

Of course.

I have compassion for you, Bubba.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

ian wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 7:36pm: you have to be kidding, successive governments  have been closing down mental health faciilties all over australia for decades and all of a sudden its  an issue? It has always been an issue and Governments have been warned that closing down health services have consequences.....I am sure the Newman Government did not want these deaths to occur but unless Governments of all persuasions put the interests of vulnerable people before saving a few dollars this will continue to happen.....The Governments first job is to protect its citizens not ignore them!!! :-? :-? :-?

what consequences? The average person could care less unless it directly affects them, and no, it has not always been an issue for most. , plenty of space for meth abusers none for the genuine mentally ill.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 7:39pm: I was just about to agree when Ian's point gave me pause. That's right, neither party,  state or federal has ever shown too much compassion toward the mentally ill. NDIS!!! :-? :-? :-?

and how exactly will this help?

Yeah good, I'm crazy. Bravo! Least I'm not an old poofter in love with his little band of gay leftard sycophants.