China, U.S. agree to limit greenhouse gases

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/china-us-agree-to-limit-greenhouse-gases/2014/11/11/9c768504-69e6-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html

BEIJING — Chinese leader Xi Jinping and President Obama struck a deal Wednesday to limit greenhouse gases, with China committing for the first time to cap carbon emissions and Obama unveiling a plan for deeper U.S. emissions reductions through 2025.

China, the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, pledged in the far-reaching agreement to cap its rapidly growing carbon emissions by 2030, or earlier if possible. It also set a daunting goal of increasing the share of non-fossil fuels to 20 percent of the country’s energy mix by 2030.

Obama announced a target to cut U.S. emissions 26 to 28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025, the first time the president has set a goal beyond the existing 17 percent target by 2020.

The two countries together account for about 40 percent of the world’s greenhouse-gas emissions, and their commitments are likely to energize talks underway to set new post-2020 targets when climate negotiators meet in Paris in December of next year.

“The announcement provides a real shot of momentum for international climate negotiations,” one administration official said before the joint announcement from Obama and Xi. (Like others interviewed, the official was not authorized to talk on the record ahead of the announcement.) “Historically, the U.S. and China have often seemed like antagonists in these negotiations.

The scale of construction for China to meet its goals are huge even by Chinese standards. It must add 800 to 1,000 gigawatts of nuclear, wind, solar and other zero-emission generation capacity by 2030 — more than all the coal-fired power plants that exist in China today and close to the total electricity generation capacity in the United States.

In the United States, Obama faces stiff opposition on climate issues from Republicans, who want to use their control of Congress to curb the power of the Environmental Protection Agency to limit carbon emissions from power plants, a key part of Obama’s “climate action plan.”

And to meet its target, the United States will require to double the pace of carbon pollution reduction from 1.2 percent per year on average from 2005 to 2020 to 2.3 to 2.8 percent per year between 2020 and 2025.

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:02pm:

China, U.S. agree to limit greenhouse gases http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/china-us-agree-to-limit-greenhouse-gases/2014/11/11/9c768504-69e6-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html BEIJING — Chinese leader Xi Jinping and President Obama struck a deal Wednesday to limit greenhouse gases, with China committing for the first time to cap carbon emissions and Obama unveiling a plan for deeper U.S. emissions reductions through 2025. China, the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, pledged in the far-reaching agreement to cap its rapidly growing carbon emissions by 2030, or earlier if possible. It also set a daunting goal of increasing the share of non-fossil fuels to 20 percent of the country’s energy mix by 2030. Obama announced a target to cut U.S. emissions 26 to 28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025, the first time the president has set a goal beyond the existing 17 percent target by 2020. The two countries together account for about 40 percent of the world’s greenhouse-gas emissions, and their commitments are likely to energize talks underway to set new post-2020 targets when climate negotiators meet in Paris in December of next year. “The announcement provides a real shot of momentum for international climate negotiations,” one administration official said before the joint announcement from Obama and Xi. (Like others interviewed, the official was not authorized to talk on the record ahead of the announcement.) “Historically, the U.S. and China have often seemed like antagonists in these negotiations. The scale of construction for China to meet its goals are huge even by Chinese standards. It must add 800 to 1,000 gigawatts of nuclear, wind, solar and other zero-emission generation capacity by 2030 — more than all the coal-fired power plants that exist in China today and close to the total electricity generation capacity in the United States. In the United States, Obama faces stiff opposition on climate issues from Republicans, who want to use their control of Congress to curb the power of the Environmental Protection Agency to limit carbon emissions from power plants, a key part of Obama’s “climate action plan.” And to meet its target, the United States will require to double the pace of carbon pollution reduction from 1.2 percent per year on average from 2005 to 2020 to 2.3 to 2.8 percent per year between 2020 and 2025.

Shame the Greens so oppose Carbon reduction, they oppose Captured Carbon green energy that not burn coal!

Carbon reduction via direct action.
We know it doesn't work.

This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in.

Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports.

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in!

Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade.


http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-and-100-renewables-studies-show-deep-emissions-cuts-achievable

We could now be leading not only China and USA, the world.

Missed opportunity because of Lib Lab's addiction to coal donations and so being the puppets of the coal lobby.

http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/39356/0x0/china.jpg

For all the world like a graveyard............. (let that one hang in the air for a moment.... slow.. slow)...

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:20pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in! Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade. http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-and-100-renewables-studies-show-deep-emissions-cuts-achievable We could now be leading not only China and USA, the world. Missed opportunity because of Lib Lab's addiction to coal donations and so being the puppets of the coal lobby.

Cant wait for the Greens officially publishing a report where the $30 Million cash of voter money went.

Missed opportunity because of the Greens addiction to staying on the Gravy Train and so being the puppets of the coal lobby.

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:26pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:20pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in! Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade. http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-and-100-renewables-studies-show-deep-emissions-cuts-achievable We could now be leading not only China and USA, the world. Missed opportunity because of Lib Lab's addiction to coal donations and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Cant wait for the Greens officially publishing a report where the $30 Million cash of voter money went. Missed opportunity because of the Greens addiction to staying on the Gravy Train and so being the puppets of the coal lobby.

Isn't it about time you came to terms that your little baby, that is supposed to create energy out of thin air, doesn't work.

It's not a big coal cover up. It just doesn't work.

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:47pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:26pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:20pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in! Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade. http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-and-100-renewables-studies-show-deep-emissions-cuts-achievable We could now be leading not only China and USA, the world. Missed opportunity because of Lib Lab's addiction to coal donations and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Cant wait for the Greens officially publishing a report where the $30 Million cash of voter money went. Missed opportunity because of the Greens addiction to staying on the Gravy Train and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Isn't it about time you came to terms that your little baby, that is supposed to create energy out of thin air, doesn't work. It's not a big coal cover up. It just doesn't work.

Isn't it about time you came to terms that the Treasury don't lie. The $30 Million of voters money Gillard paid for the Greens vote to increase Carbon emissions is written in Hansard! The Greens are yet to publish any account showing the money was not divided up and taken home by Greens member/s!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:52pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:47pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:26pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:20pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in! Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade. http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-and-100-renewables-studies-show-deep-emissions-cuts-achievable We could now be leading not only China and USA, the world. Missed opportunity because of Lib Lab's addiction to coal donations and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Cant wait for the Greens officially publishing a report where the $30 Million cash of voter money went. Missed opportunity because of the Greens addiction to staying on the Gravy Train and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Isn't it about time you came to terms that your little baby, that is supposed to create energy out of thin air, doesn't work. It's not a big coal cover up. It just doesn't work. Isn't it about time you came to terms that the Treasury don't lie. The $30 Million of voters money Gillard paid for the Greens vote to increase Carbon emissions is written in Hansard!

Sure, whatever you say matey. Move on and apply yourself to another project.

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:57pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:52pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:47pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:26pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:20pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Carbon reduction via direct action. We know it doesn't work. This deal between China and US is where all the effort Australia should of put into renewable energy could be now cashed in. Shame Labor and Liberals were such wet blankets and have disadvantage Australian renewable energy exports. Next time get the $30 Million cash of voter money to the Greens on time like Gillard did, and all can cash in! Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade. http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-and-100-renewables-studies-show-deep-emissions-cuts-achievable We could now be leading not only China and USA, the world. Missed opportunity because of Lib Lab's addiction to coal donations and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Cant wait for the Greens officially publishing a report where the $30 Million cash of voter money went. Missed opportunity because of the Greens addiction to staying on the Gravy Train and so being the puppets of the coal lobby. Isn't it about time you came to terms that your little baby, that is supposed to create energy out of thin air, doesn't work. It's not a big coal cover up. It just doesn't work. Isn't it about time you came to terms that the Treasury don't lie. The $30 Million of voters money Gillard paid for the Greens vote to increase Carbon emissions is written in Hansard! Sure, whatever you say matey. Move on and apply yourself to another project.

Thank you, though unfortunately for the Greens its not me saying it, its what's written in the accounts by Treasury and written in Hansard.

Current project of accountability has not yet finished, hindering moving to any new project at the moment!

Greens leader Christine Milne said the deal should be a "massive wake-up call to Tony Abbott. His continued climate denial and his destruction of the environment is reckless."

Senator Milne lashed Mr Abbott for unwinding climate policies such as the carbon tax and "failing to notice the global economy is changing around him".

"Until the Abbott government took control, Australia was a world leader in climate policy with an emissions trading scheme that was considered template legislation for other nations," she said.

"Coal must be left in the ground. Fossil fuel subsidies must end. Australia could be a leader and thrive in the new clean economy, but not as long as Tony Abbott anchors us in the past."

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barack-obama-praises-historic-climate-deal-as-labor-steps-up-attack-on-coalition-20141112-11l6e1.html

It is the Greens insisting on 3 year fixed price ETS that led to the Carbon Price being so easily dismantled. Similarly—the Greens will rollover on cutting the RET.

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Greens leader Christine Milne said the deal should be a "massive wake-up call to Tony Abbott. His continued climate denial and his destruction of the environment is reckless." Senator Milne lashed Mr Abbott for unwinding climate policies such as the carbon tax and "failing to notice the global economy is changing around him". "Until the Abbott government took control, Australia was a world leader in climate policy with an emissions trading scheme that was considered template legislation for other nations," she said. "Coal must be left in the ground. Fossil fuel subsidies must end. Australia could be a leader and thrive in the new clean economy, but not as long as Tony Abbott anchors us in the past." www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barack-obama-praises-historic-climate-deal-as-labor-steps-up-attack-on-coalition-20141112-11l6e1.html

No mention of Green energy, just waffle!

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

It is the Greens insisting on 3 year fixed price ETS that led to the Carbon Price being so easily dismantled. Similarly—the Greens will rollover on cutting the RET.

LNP and Greens in discussion on that now, its just a matter of coming to a price acceptable by the greens!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 4:27pm: It is the Greens insisting on 3 year fixed price ETS that led to the Carbon Price being so easily dismantled. Similarly—the Greens will rollover on cutting the RET. LNP and Greens in discussion on that now, its just a matter of coming to a price acceptable by the greens!

Greens don't negotiate. It's our way or the highway. Just ask all the other posters here.

Poll

Abbott and Hunt have boxed themselves into a corner here...If international progress is made on reducing carbon emissions they have stated they may increase their target but have introduced the most expensive measure to do so.....An ETS or Carbon Tax is out of the question with Tony Abbott as Prime Minister so any increase in targets is unlikely.....If Australia does not commit to higher targets there is every chance the rest of the world will place trade sanctions on our carbon intensive exports pricing our coal and value added minerals out of the market.....The only real option for the Abbott Government is to advocate for no action and business as usual!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Time for monkey to go back to the zoo I think. Grunt can go with him.

Re: Poll.....

Only a generation?????

:D

Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yeah, so much better not to have a Carbon Price.

Maybe the Libs will now have to ditch Abbott and with Labor institute sensible carbon pricing.

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!!

::) ::) ::)

2016 is now an election on Australia's AGW path and the coalitions best chance is Turnbull.

With Abbott and his team of denialists, the coalition face a major swing against them.


Meanwhile will Labor risk their coal seats and their coal lobby donations to the party?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::)

2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW.

I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports.

Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

You're getting the horn over nothing.

Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit.

And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way.

All hot air and CO2.



That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Peter Martin:


Quote:

China's coal use will have to decline in order for its greenhouse gas emissions to stabilise. That's because its use of other fuels is set to climb; petrol as more Chinese use cars and move things by truck, and natural gas as China switches to cleaner sources of heat. The agreement between the US and China won't merely lead to a decline in the use of thermal coal in relative terms. It'll be a decline in absolute terms. "We are no longer talking in terms of emissions intensity relative to GDP or anything like that – this is absolute, presuming China goes through with it, and China doesn't just make this commitment to look good, it means it," says climate change and energy specialist Frank Jotzo at the Australian National University. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-chinaus-climate-change-deal-australias-coal-exports-at-risk-20141112-11lbrl.html#ixzz3ItvN4Vo4

Big problem for monkey!

Paris next year will see more countries sign up to reducing emissions, more trouble for monkey.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

Peter Martin: Quote: China's coal use will have to decline in order for its greenhouse gas emissions to stabilise. That's because its use of other fuels is set to climb; petrol as more Chinese use cars and move things by truck, and natural gas as China switches to cleaner sources of heat. The agreement between the US and China won't merely lead to a decline in the use of thermal coal in relative terms. It'll be a decline in absolute terms. "We are no longer talking in terms of emissions intensity relative to GDP or anything like that – this is absolute, presuming China goes through with it, and China doesn't just make this commitment to look good, it means it," says climate change and energy specialist Frank Jotzo at the Australian National University. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-chinaus-climate-change-deal-australias-coal-exports-at-risk-20141112-11lbrl.html#ixzz3ItvN4Vo4 Big problem for monkey!

LOL

There's no deal, the targets aren't binding, it all piss and wind and CO2.

The only reason China is involved is because their country is turning into an environmental nightmare.

You tools love to comment on here about how Russia, China etc don't give a bugger about Australia's opinion on the worlds stage. Well i'm pretty they don't give a bugger about our pissy % of world emission either - Oh, except when "developing countries" spew out "per capita" emissions to make idiots feel guilty.

;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::)

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 4:37pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 4:27pm: It is the Greens insisting on 3 year fixed price ETS that led to the Carbon Price being so easily dismantled. Similarly—the Greens will rollover on cutting the RET. LNP and Greens in discussion on that now, its just a matter of coming to a price acceptable by the greens! Greens don't negotiate. It's our way or the highway. Just ask all the other posters here.

Greens don't negotiate. It's our way or $30 Million cash.  Just look at the records.

US and China negotiated for nine months on the emissions reductions. Paris next year will see that formalised.

It has kicked another hole in the Budget.

Monkey should consider increasing the RET not cutting it which will only cost jobs.

Reducing Carbon appears now to be the catch phrase for introducing technology disfavouring fossil fuels.

Australian technology passed to China and China now pass to America upsets the fossil fuel industry!

Due to efficiencies that cannot be matched by Steam the old is being replaced with the new, the old are shrill to their monetary loss much like the beast breeder at the coming of Steam!

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this? You're getting the horn over nothing. Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit. And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way. All hot air and CO2. That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition.

The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election.

Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets.

All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here.

100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:09am: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this? You're getting the horn over nothing. Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit. And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way. All hot air and CO2. That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition. The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election. Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets. All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here. 100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S….

Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already.

Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:23am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:09am: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this? You're getting the horn over nothing. Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit. And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way. All hot air and CO2. That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition. The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election. Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets. All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here. 100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs. Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S…. Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already. Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

As for the republicans winning when they were suppose to, doesn't mean they can win California, Florida, Texas, the big states where they are falling behind. Democrats winning 2016 is still likely. Go Clinton !

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:23am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:09am: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this? You're getting the horn over nothing. Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit. And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way. All hot air and CO2. That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition. The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election. Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets. All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here. 100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs. Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S…. Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already. Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

Energy is used in transport, construction and manufacture.

Halving the cost of energy used by transport, construction and manufacture means there is more profit in the transport, construction and manufacture feilds.

This profit increase may lead to a greater amount of transport, construction, and manufacture, which in turn may increase employment.

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs. Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds. Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it. The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run.... Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

You have listed all the non efficient green energy that has the fullest of Greens backing.

As with much of Australia you not be aware of the green energy the Greens conceal and oppose out of fear they may upset Coal at election time.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs. Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds. Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it. The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run.... Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will:

Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require.
Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations.
Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources. 
IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY

Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now.

Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs.   It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels.

LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY

The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies.

DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION

The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600.

PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY

Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework.

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:14pm: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs. Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds. Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it. The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run.... Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance. The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will: Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require. Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations. Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.  IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now. Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs.   It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels. LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies. DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600. PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework. greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

By that list there's not a lot the Greens wont do! Utopia on its way!

100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it.

Still no where to be seen, we will cease our 100% opposition to efficient green energy that has already been achieved, and would bring Coal election time advertising against the Greens should the Greens support Green energy!

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:14pm: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs. Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds. Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it. The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run.... Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance. The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will: Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require. Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations. Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.  IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now. Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs.   It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels. LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies. DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600. PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework. greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots.

I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work.
Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero.

My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph.

Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:41pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:14pm: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs. Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds. Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it. The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run.... Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance. The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will: Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require. Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations. Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.  IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now. Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs.   It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels. LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies. DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600. PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework. greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots. I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work. Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero. My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph. Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.

ARe you really this ignorant?  Or are you just taking the piss?

http://bze.org.au/zero-carbon-australia-2020

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

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greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap
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This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots.

I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work.
Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero.

My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph.

Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.
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ARe you really this ignorant?  Or are you just taking the piss?

[url]http://bze.org.au/zero-ca

Someone is taking the piss!

Stationary Energy Plan

• Demonstrates that 100% renewable energy is achievable and affordable

• Designs a fully costed and detailed system of concentrated solar thermal plants and large scale wind farms, provided the sun shine and wind blow as required!

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 28^th, 1974 at 3:05am:

ARe you really this ignorant?  Or are you just taking the piss?

Your link has a picture of the Ivanpah solar thermal plant that seeks a half billion dollar bailout because it does not work as expected.

Do you expect me to take that garbage seriously?

Now if Abbott hadn't mucked about with the existing programs and policies already in place before he rose to power on a litany of lies we would already be on par with the yanks and chinese but in just 12 mths he has put us way behind.

Appeasing the tax dodging mining billionaires now looks pretty stupid hey one term tony  :D

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:29am: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:23am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:09am: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this? You're getting the horn over nothing. Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit. And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way. All hot air and CO2. That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition. The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election. Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets. All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here. 100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs. Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S…. Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already. Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade. Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. As for the republicans winning when they were suppose to, doesn't mean they can win California, Florida, Texas, the big states where they are falling behind. Democrats winning 2016 is still likely. Go Clinton !

Texas!!!!

I didn't oppose it, i'm saying the electorate and the other parties will tear a hole through the greens if they propose it.

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:29am: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:23am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:09am: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS. Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!! ::) ::) ::) 2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW. I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports. Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this? You're getting the horn over nothing. Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit. And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way. All hot air and CO2. That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition. The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election. Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets. All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here. 100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs. Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S…. Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already. Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade. Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. As for the republicans winning when they were suppose to, doesn't mean they can win California, Florida, Texas, the big states where they are falling behind. Democrats winning 2016 is still likely. Go Clinton ! Texas!!!! I didn't oppose it, i'm saying the electorate and the other parties will tear a hole through the greens if they propose it.

Whoops, New York, not Texas.

Things will shift quickly now China US and Europe with a common goal ... and shift to the favour of the Greens position.

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:13pm: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:29am: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:23am: King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:09am: [quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415764953/24#24 date=1415780431][quote author=philperth2010 link=1415764953/22#22 date=1415780137][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415764953/20#20 date=1415779367] Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition. The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election. Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets. All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here. 100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs. Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S…. Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already. Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade. Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. As for the republicans winning when they were suppose to, doesn't mean they can win California, Florida, Texas, the big states where they are falling behind. Democrats winning 2016 is still likely. Go Clinton ! Texas!!!! I didn't oppose it, i'm saying the electorate and the other parties will tear a hole through the greens if they propose it. Whoops, New York, not Texas. Things will shift quickly now China US and Europe with a common goal ... and shift to the favour of the Greens position.

China US and Europe are on course in Coal burning reduction, not Greens position of parade Carbon reduction and back in every way except by mouth the burning of Coal!

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 28th, 1974 at 3:05am: ARe you really this ignorant?  Or are you just taking the piss? Your link has a picture of the Ivanpah solar thermal plant that seeks a half billion dollar bailout because it does not work as expected. Do you expect me to take that garbage seriously?

I see.  So you really are that ignorant.

The link I posted did not mention Ivanpah at all.  Learn how to read if you want to be taken seriously

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Learn how to read:
http://bze.org.au/zero-carbon-australia-2020



Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal with storage works 24/7.

And yes - turbines do not work in low wind - but a geographically diverse network of turbines will still produce a lot of cheap energy to supplement a grid with a solar thermal base load.  And wind is currently the cheapest way to generate electricity


Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform,

Ivanpah was built without heat storage


Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.

Says who?



Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

Coal is a dead industry.  The world is moving forward.  Let it go.  the Greens want Australia to be part of a modern economy.  Not dinosaurs.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

Coal is a dead industry.  The world is moving forward.  Let it go.  the Greens want Australia to be part of a modern economy.  Not dinosaurs.[/quote]


The greens have fought green energy all the way, even took $30Million cash from the voter to enhance their opposition to green energy!

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:41pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:14pm: ____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 11:42am: Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will. Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here. reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268 This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households. By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world. The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs. Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds. Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it. The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run.... Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance. The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will: Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require. Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations. Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.  IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now. Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs.   It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels. LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies. DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600. PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework. greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots. I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work. Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero. My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph. Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.

Baron has never heard  of r and d  :D :D

rabbitoh08 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 1:07pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 28th, 1974 at 3:05am: ARe you really this ignorant?  Or are you just taking the piss? Your link has a picture of the Ivanpah solar thermal plant that seeks a half billion dollar bailout because it does not work as expected. Do you expect me to take that garbage seriously? I see.  So you really are that ignorant. The link I posted did not mention Ivanpah at all.  Learn how to read if you want to be taken seriously

The picture you posted with your writing makes a clear image better than words can tell!

Texas, USA on Saturday unveiled its CO2 turbine electric generator!

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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/39356/0x0/china.jpg For all the world like a graveyard............. (let that one hang in the air for a moment.... slow.. slow)...

China?  :o

Here is an interesting piece on the dilemma Abbott is facing on this issue.  Obama and China stuffed him pre G20 but another opportunity for redemption before the Paris summit presents itself in Lima.  What will we do there, one wonders?

Link.

This deal is a joke, Obama won't be able to pass it thought the republican control Government, equalling the US to defaulting on their side of the deal, and China gets to do nothing for 16 years?? doesn't sound right...worst of all this deal is non-reforceable.. All this equally all talk no walk.

In this shonky deal with China to move itself from fossil fuels to alternative sources of energy IT WANTS TO INCREASE NUCLEAR POWER USAGE, a big NO NO NO to the greens,  ;D ;D


And yet there were still happy to jump up and down over this shonky deal,