It has worked so far, you cant deny that for now Shorten has said nothing about repairing the deficit that labor has left behind but seems happy to extend it more, and build more debt and let some future government way way way down the road to deal with that.


It also seems that bill shorten would also say nothing to help pursue justice for the 38 australian victims of that malaysian plane shot down, I guess Obamas failures must have been an influence on him. because thats exactly a part of obamas many stragedies in dealing with world affairs.


Come election time, BILL SHORTEN IS GOING TO HAVE TO OPEN HIS MOUTH AND SAY SOMETHING,  :D

But world economic leaders have said a lot about Labor saving Australia from the GFC..the proof is the mess Abbott is making with his austerity measures..

Lets face it...Australia has gone backwards with Abbotts unnecessary austerity policies

adelcrow wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

But world economic leaders have said a lot about Labor saving Australia from the GFC..the proof is the mess Abbott is making with his austerity measures.. Lets face it...Australia has gone backwards with Abbotts unnecessary austerity policies

What are talking about ?  Tony abbott hasnt gone far enough, not even nothng as a dent,  hell alot of the great spending you want and championed for are still in place.

Have a cigar  :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnQvB-9CcAAO_1C.jpg

Have a cigar  :D

http://www.afr.com/r/2009-2014/AFR/2014/05/14/Photos/1580944c-dafb-11e3-99cd-cbbb0dde7d09_labor--646x646.jpg

;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers ( queue jumpers), he cant stay silent forever.

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers, he cant stay silent forever( queue jumpers).

Shorten won't even have to say anything then.

They'll just reply Abbott endlessly banging on about broken trust re Gillards CT & then reply Abbotts No Cuts interview followed by the quite substantial list of Abbott breaches of trust.


Quote:

At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She said one thing before the election to win votes – and did the opposite after the election to stay in the Lodge. Labor can’t be trusted to tell the truth and it can’t be trusted to manage the economy – and the carbon tax is where Labor’s economic deficit and Labor’s trust deficit coincide. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/02/tony-abbott-address-national-press-club-election-2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-hbWVXsyE


Quote:

Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks. Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)  Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz3J5teWWTL

I suggest you STFU ;)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:42am: ;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers, he cant stay silent forever( queue jumpers). Shorten won't even have to say anything then. They'll just reply Abbott endlessly banging on about broken trust re Gillards CT & then reply Abbotts No Cuts interview followed by the quite substantial list of Abbott breaches of trust. Quote: At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She said one thing before the election to win votes – and did the opposite after the election to stay in the Lodge. Labor can’t be trusted to tell the truth and it can’t be trusted to manage the economy – and the carbon tax is where Labor’s economic deficit and Labor’s trust deficit coincide. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/02/tony-abbott-address-national-press-club-election-2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-hbWVXsyE [quote] Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks. Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)  Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz3J5teWWTL

I suggest you be quiet ;)[/quote]


No i dont want to be as quiet and keep my mouth shut like shorten,

But vladmire putin would like that, maybe he likes the anti australian lefties, why would he, excellent new audience for Russia Today AND SPUTNIK.

Oh And before you go on the predictable "But Labor Left" train, Tony's covered that as well


Quote:

Consider Abbott's words just weeks before an election in which he was already sailing to victory. During one of a million election doorstops a reporter asked him: ''The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?'' ''Exactly right'' the punchy opposition leader fired back. ''We will keep our commitments that we make …'' he went on to say for the umpteenth time in the campaign. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/trust-deficit-spells-death-for-a-salesman-20140513-388b9.html#ixzz3J5v9Ve79

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

But vladmire putin

Ahh the Putin deflection

Hows that going?

Lets see

Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing.

Onya Tone ;D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D

What are saying here, you just like to sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the familes of the 38 australians families who lost there lives in the Ukraine.


what a leftie scum you are

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:42am: ;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers, he cant stay silent forever( queue jumpers). Shorten won't even have to say anything then. They'll just reply Abbott endlessly banging on about broken trust re Gillards CT & then reply Abbotts No Cuts interview followed by the quite substantial list of Abbott breaches of trust. Quote: At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She said one thing before the election to win votes – and did the opposite after the election to stay in the Lodge. Labor can’t be trusted to tell the truth and it can’t be trusted to manage the economy – and the carbon tax is where Labor’s economic deficit and Labor’s trust deficit coincide. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/02/tony-abbott-address-national-press-club-election-2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-hbWVXsyE [quote] Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks. Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)  Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz3J5teWWTL

I suggest you be quiet ;)[/quote]

shorten will go to the election promising a mning tax and a carbon tax.  that's victory for Abbott already.

Pull the other one, Stryd.  Tonys done for ;D. Worst ever.

I sneer at monkey opening his big fat mouth then failing to follow through.

No concrete evidence it was Russia shot down MH017 so let us not start blaming left right and centre.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:54am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:42am: ;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers, he cant stay silent forever( queue jumpers). Shorten won't even have to say anything then. They'll just reply Abbott endlessly banging on about broken trust re Gillards CT & then reply Abbotts No Cuts interview followed by the quite substantial list of Abbott breaches of trust. Quote: At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She said one thing before the election to win votes – and did the opposite after the election to stay in the Lodge. Labor can’t be trusted to tell the truth and it can’t be trusted to manage the economy – and the carbon tax is where Labor’s economic deficit and Labor’s trust deficit coincide. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/02/tony-abbott-address-national-press-club-election-2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-hbWVXsyE [quote] Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks. Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)  Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz3J5teWWTL I suggest you be quiet ;)

shorten will go to the election promising a mning tax and a carbon tax.  that's victory for Abbott already.
[/quote]

Did you miss the news this week? 

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D

I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE.

tell me of another aussie PM with those balls.

oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun????

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:07am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:54am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:42am: ;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers, he cant stay silent forever( queue jumpers). Shorten won't even have to say anything then. They'll just reply Abbott endlessly banging on about broken trust re Gillards CT & then reply Abbotts No Cuts interview followed by the quite substantial list of Abbott breaches of trust. Quote: At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She said one thing before the election to win votes – and did the opposite after the election to stay in the Lodge. Labor can’t be trusted to tell the truth and it can’t be trusted to manage the economy – and the carbon tax is where Labor’s economic deficit and Labor’s trust deficit coincide. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/02/tony-abbott-address-national-press-club-election-2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-hbWVXsyE [quote] Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks. Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)  Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz3J5teWWTL I suggest you be quiet ;) shorten will go to the election promising a mning tax and a carbon tax.  that's victory for Abbott already.

Did you miss the news this week?  [/quote]

what news? (yes, I have been very busy)

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun????

Certainly wont stop these leftie scums from sneering and mocking as afar, would make vladmir putin glad these guys are around if ever needed anyone to speak for him here,

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun????

Did he? Tell Putin to apologise? Ummm I think the word you want there is “hint” rather than “told” using the jetliner the Americans shot down by accident as example. That was wrong as was pointed out, the yanks expressed regret but did not apologise. Did monkey have proof it was the russians shot down MH017? Doubt it.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:08am: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:07am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:54am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:42am: ;D ;D ;D lets see in 2 years time, adelcrow, because shorten has gotta open his mouth and spell out labors responses to the deficit, the asylum seekers, he cant stay silent forever( queue jumpers). Shorten won't even have to say anything then. They'll just reply Abbott endlessly banging on about broken trust re Gillards CT & then reply Abbotts No Cuts interview followed by the quite substantial list of Abbott breaches of trust. Quote: At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She said one thing before the election to win votes – and did the opposite after the election to stay in the Lodge. Labor can’t be trusted to tell the truth and it can’t be trusted to manage the economy – and the carbon tax is where Labor’s economic deficit and Labor’s trust deficit coincide. http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/02/tony-abbott-address-national-press-club-election-2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-hbWVXsyE [quote] Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks. Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)  Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz3J5teWWTL I suggest you be quiet ;) shorten will go to the election promising a mning tax and a carbon tax.  that's victory for Abbott already. Did you miss the news this week?

what news? (yes, I have been very busy)[/quote]

Well of you go and read, rather than as typical coming in here completely empty and misinformed and writing bullsh1t.

Tonys been proven wrong.  On just about everything.

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun???? Certainly wont stop these leftie scums from sneering and mocking as afar, would make vladmir putin glad these guys are around,

Which other media?

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D What are saying here, you just like sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the 38 australian who lost there lives in the Ukraine.

Yet relatives of victims specifically told POLITICIANS to stay away from the remembrance memorial.

Something about Grandstanding

If Tony was speaking for them you'd think he'd be welcome.

But it seems those grieving relatives can see more clearly than you.

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun???? Certainly wont stop these leftie scums from sneering and mocking as afar, would make vladmir putin glad these guys are around if ever needed anyone to speak for him here,

given that the biggest risk to global peace is Putin I am surprised at the Putin supporters on here.  actual supporters.  Boofheads that don't blame him for MH17 or invading a sovereign country.  ALl because Abbott opposes him.

there are fewer stupider and more cowardly people than a leftie.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:06am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D What are saying here, you just like sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the 38 australian who lost there lives in the Ukraine. Yet relatives of victims specifically told POLITICIANS to stay away from the remembrance memorial. Something about Grandstanding If Tony was speaking for them you'd think he'd be welcome. But it seems those grieving relatives can see more clearly than you.

Hang on here, are you saying or implying tony abbott as PM shouldnt speak on behalf to gain any kind of justice, because all i see from you is just plainly anti abbott stupidity and going against common sense

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun????

Yep & he even stuffed that up by saying the US apologized & paid compensation to the Iranians which they didn't.

And I don't read IA, I simply can remember what was said & happened more than 6 minutes ago.

But if all you got to defend your man is slurs, then you ain't got nothing do you?

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D What are saying here, you just like to sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the familes of the 38 australians families who lost there lives in the Ukraine. what a leftie scum you are

Abbott not speak for the families of loved ones, he maggots upon their loved ones!

Making them his to parade while he beats his chest in recognition to his shrinking testicles.

Abbott not even man enough to be Australian, he prefers being British and wont give that up!

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:11am: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun???? Certainly wont stop these leftie scums from sneering and mocking as afar, would make vladmir putin glad these guys are around if ever needed anyone to speak for him here, given that the biggest risk to global peace is Putin I am surprised at the Putin supporters on here.  actual supporters.  Boofheads that don't blame him for MH17 or invading a sovereign country.  ALl because Abbott opposes him. there are fewer stupider and more cowardly people than a leftie.

We do not know it was russians or russia–supporting separatists that shot down MH017. We do not know it was a Russian–supplied missile that did the shooting down, could have been a missile captured when a Ukrainian army base got overrun.

Putin is doing nothing more in Eastern Urkraine than we are doing in Iraq.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun???? Yep & he even stuffed that up by saying the US apologized & paid compensation to the Iranians which they didn't. And I don't read IA, I simply can remember what was said & happened more than 6 minutes ago. But if all you got to defend your man is slurs, then you ain't got nothing do you?

so in short... you are saying that he DID confront Putin, unlike your previous statement?

and for goodness sake, can you not just once say that Abbott has done something good and right?  who else among world leaders has got the balls to confront this dangerous dictator?  NO ONE. no one but Tony Abbott.

the world is full of wannabes.  but Abbott actually did it.  Can you imagine Rudd or GIllard or even Howard doing that? 

Abbott has guts and character, the likes of which we have not seen in a long time.

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:20am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:06am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D What are saying here, you just like to sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the familes of the 38 australians families who lost there lives in the Ukraine. what a leftie scum you are Abbott not speak for the families of loved ones, he maggots upon their loved ones! Making them his to parade while he beats his chest in recognition to his shrinking testicles. Abbott not even man enough to be Australian, he prefers being British and wont give that up!

learn to write English you foreign freak.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:17am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:11am: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun???? Certainly wont stop these leftie scums from sneering and mocking as afar, would make vladmir putin glad these guys are around if ever needed anyone to speak for him here, given that the biggest risk to global peace is Putin I am surprised at the Putin supporters on here.  actual supporters.  Boofheads that don't blame him for MH17 or invading a sovereign country.  ALl because Abbott opposes him. there are fewer stupider and more cowardly people than a leftie. We do not know it was russians or russia–supporting separatists that shot down MH017. We do not know it was a Russian–supplied missile that did the shooting down, could have been a missile captured when a Ukrainian army base got overrun. Putin is doing nothing more in Eastern Urkraine than we are doing in Iraq.

do you have a an "I LOVE PUTIN" teeshirt???

yeah I bet you do.  probably a hard-on as well.

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:18am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:15am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:06am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D What are saying here, you just like sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the 38 australian who lost there lives in the Ukraine. Yet relatives of victims specifically told POLITICIANS to stay away from the remembrance memorial. Something about Grandstanding If Tony was speaking for them you'd think he'd be welcome. But it seems those grieving relatives can see more clearly than you. Hang on here, are you saying or implying tony abbott as PM shouldnt speak on behalf to gain any kind of justice, because all i see from you is just plainly anti abbott stupidity and going against common sense

Would have been nice to get Putin to heavy the separatists to let the crash site be properly inspected. That is all we can really ask for at this stage.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D I think you read IA instead of other media.  Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. tell me of another aussie PM with those balls. oh and btw are you even aware that the G20 has only just begun???? & he even stuffed that up by saying the US apologized & paid compensation to the Iranians which they didn't And I don't read IA, I simply can remember what was said & happened more than 6 minutes ago. But if all you got to defend your man is slurs, then you ain't got nothing do you?

In February 1996, the United States agreed to pay Iran US$131.8 million in settlement to discontinue a case brought by Iran in 1989 against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice relating to this incident,[34] together with other earlier claims before the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal.[15] US$61.8 million of the claim was in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shoot-down: $300,000 per wage-earning victim and $150,000 per non-wage-earner. In total, 290 civilians on board were killed, 38 being non-Iranians and 66 being children. It was not disclosed how the remaining $70 million of the settlement was apportioned, though it appears a close approximation of the value of a used wikipedia

So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology.

The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect.

and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

so in short... you are saying that he DID confront Putin, unlike your previous statement?

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

Abbott has guts and character, the likes of which we have not seen in a long time.

No his all piss & wind

Discussions went on behind closed doors & we can only go on what Mr Abbott's team say, sorry if I take their statement with a massive block of salt.


longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

and for goodness sake, can you not just once say that Abbott has done something good and right?

Well when he actually does something good or right I'll be front & centre


longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

who else among world leaders has got the balls to confront this dangerous dictator?

You've fallen for the spin.

I'm no fan of Putin but the Ukraine & Baltic region are very complicated issues.
One might be wrong footed in supporting 1 side over the other, much like the US & other were backing ISIL over Assad 12 months ago.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:18am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:15am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:06am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:01am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 10:59am: But vladmire putin Ahh the Putin deflection Hows that going? Lets see Shirt Front to Robust Discussion to, well........ nothing. Onya Tone ;D What are saying here, you just like sneer like some other stupid leftie because Tony abbott as the australian PM speaks for the 38 australian who lost there lives in the Ukraine. Yet relatives of victims specifically told POLITICIANS to stay away from the remembrance memorial. Something about Grandstanding If Tony was speaking for them you'd think he'd be welcome. But it seems those grieving relatives can see more clearly than you. Hang on here, are you saying or implying tony abbott as PM shouldnt speak on behalf to gain any kind of justice, because all i see from you is just plainly anti abbott stupidity and going against common sense Would have been nice to get Putin to heavy the separatists to let the crash site be properly inspected. That is all we can really ask for at this stage.

bit late don't you think?????  and why did he not since Russia is a mere 30kms from the site???  because he knows what will be found.  damn, you are a stupid person.  There could be video of the missile being launched and recordings of radio communications discussing it and you would still deny it. and guess what.... there ARE radio communications recordings!

idiot.

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around.

So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:31am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around. So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument?

Oh yes,

and you were fragrantly wrong on one of those facts,  YOU PUT IT THERE, NOT ME, you were wrong, werent you ?, you wanna continue ???

Would have been nice if monkey had backed up the Dutch govt who did most of the actual negotiations. Him screeching here achieved nothing.

Quiet negotiators like the Dutch and Malaysian govts have my respect, not monkey!

stryder wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:40am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:31am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around. So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument? Oh yes, and you were fragrantly wrong on one of those facts, werent you, you wanna continue ???

Sure whats your next deflection?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:31am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around. So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument?

the point was that despite being intelligent and more than a cut above the average loser on here you too said ABbott DIDNT confront Putin even after it was literally front-page news this week.  my argument is that the man has got courage and commitment and deserves applause for it even from other political supporters.  Not real hard to do.  but you chose to choose to say it 'didn't happen'. 

and the USA compensation issue is irrelevant

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:43am:

stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:42am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:40am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:31am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around. So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument? Oh yes, and you were fragrantly wrong on one of those facts, werent you, you wanna continue ??? Sure whats your next deflection?

Good to see you dont deny you had posted a piece of untruth about Iran Air Flight 655 which was laced with your usual opinionated garbage

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Would have been nice if monkey had backed up the Dutch govt who did most of the actual negotiations. Him screeching here achieved nothing. Quiet negotiators like the Dutch and Malaysian govts have my respect, not monkey!

wow... very impressive.  yet again you scored a 100% WRONG score!!!

Please give us your predictions for the footy next year so we can bet against you.  We could all make a fortune!

Beautiful strategy, let Tony do all the talking, it's a given he will say the wrong thing and slide even further in popularity . Roll on 2016.

“Confront?” It wasn’t really a confrontation, Putin gave monkey 10 minutes.

The compensation issue is directly relevant if monkey actually asked for compensation.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:40am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:31am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around. So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument? the point was that despite being intelligent and more than a cut above the average loser on here you too said ABbott DIDNT confront Putin even after it was literally front-page news this week.  my argument is that the man has got courage and commitment and deserves applause for it even from other political supporters.  Not real hard to do.  but you chose to choose to say it 'didn't happen'.  and the USA compensation issue is irrelevant

Are you sure about that, Im yet to find that in dsmithy,  ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

what news? (yes, I have been very busy)

Thought you might be busy. Exam time?

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:40am: stryder wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:31am: St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:29am: So the yanks had to be forced into paying compensation. There was no apology. The fact was dsmithy was partly incorrect. and vladmire putin hasnt paid a cent and continues to thumb his nose at us, given that the rocket is said to be supplied by the russian military he orders around. So me being PARTLY INCORRECT (never mind Tony implied the USA willing paid & apologized) somehow validates your totally incorrect argument? the point was that despite being intelligent and more than a cut above the average loser on here you too said ABbott DIDNT confront Putin even after it was literally front-page news this week.  my argument is that the man has got courage and commitment and deserves applause for it even from other political supporters.  Not real hard to do.  but you chose to choose to say it 'didn't happen'.  and the USA compensation issue is irrelevant

They held a meeting behind closed doors.

Using that as a bench mark everything a confrontation.

Language & it use is a powerful tool & that's whats being used here.

He Confronted, He Meet

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE.

Did he? got a link to this?

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. Did he? got a link to this?

http://www.news.com.au/national/bill-shorten-meltdown-not-funny-says-annie-huangs-husband/story-e6frfkp9-1226442947828

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. Did he? got a link to this? http://www.news.com.au/national/bill-shorten-meltdown-not-funny-says-annie-huangs-husband/story-e6frfkp9-1226442947828

ahh, now I see why you think Abbotts so great .... severe dyslexia ... your brain see's whats written in front of you as something different to whats actually there.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. Did he? got a link to this? http://www.news.com.au/national/bill-shorten-meltdown-not-funny-says-annie-huangs-husband/story-e6frfkp9-1226442947828 ahh, now I see why you think Abbotts so great .... severe dyslexia ... your brain see's whats written in front of you as something different to whats actually there.

Right person, wrong link. So not sorry.

You will love this one. Its from the guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/tony-abbott-vladimir-putin-consider-apology-compensation-mh17

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 2:22pm: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. Did he? got a link to this? http://www.news.com.au/national/bill-shorten-meltdown-not-funny-says-annie-huangs-husband/story-e6frfkp9-1226442947828 ahh, now I see why you think Abbotts so great .... severe dyslexia ... your brain see's whats written in front of you as something different to whats actually there. Right person, wrong link. So not sorry. You will love this one. Its from the guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/tony-abbott-vladimir-putin-consider-apology-compensation-mh17

reporters are only reporting what Abbotts minions have told them was said, no reporters were present during the meeting ...

these are the same minions that bought you such wonderful classics like

children overboard
no new taxes
no deals with the greens
Whyalla will be wiped out

:D :D :D :D

Longwank is a dickhead and a fool...Abbott told the media that in a private meeting he asked Putin to apologise..what he actually said couldve been anything..and knowing Abbotts love of lying he probably begged for forgiveness from Putin.

Yep..Longwank is a f@cking tool

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 2:22pm: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. Did he? got a link to this? http://www.news.com.au/national/bill-shorten-meltdown-not-funny-says-annie-huangs-husband/story-e6frfkp9-1226442947828 ahh, now I see why you think Abbotts so great .... severe dyslexia ... your brain see's whats written in front of you as something different to whats actually there. Right person, wrong link. So not sorry. You will love this one. Its from the guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/tony-abbott-vladimir-putin-consider-apology-compensation-mh17

You missed out the best bit, everybody now gets six free steak knives!

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 2:22pm: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 12:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:09am: Abbot personally told Putin to apologise and pay compensation. not by email or phone but to HIS FACE. Did he? got a link to this? http://www.news.com.au/national/bill-shorten-meltdown-not-funny-says-annie-huangs-husband/story-e6frfkp9-1226442947828 ahh, now I see why you think Abbotts so great .... severe dyslexia ... your brain see's whats written in front of you as something different to whats actually there. Right person, wrong link. So not sorry. You will love this one. Its from the guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/tony-abbott-vladimir-putin-consider-apology-compensation-mh17

You missed out the best bit, everybody now gets six free steak knives!