Seems like Abbott has found another non-major issue to distract the public from his poor performance.

Tony Abbott wants a referendum to be held in May 2017 to recognise Indigenous Australians in the constitution, but won't commit to a date until he is confident it will succeed.

"I am prepared to sweat blood on this," the Prime Minister declared at a Recognise dinner at Redfern on Thursday night, saying the cause was "at least as important as all the other causes this government has been prepared to take on".

While he favoured putting the question on the 50th anniversary of the 1967 referendum, Mr Abbott said: "But I do not want it to fail because every Australian would be the loser. It is more important to get this right than to try to rush it through.

Read it all
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-vows-to-sweat-blood-for-indigenous-referendum-20141211-125a19.html

Why dont you do something useful about fixing your budget you maggott Abbott, rather than this nonsense!

The thread title did make me laugh. Good pun.

I'd much rather see the Mad Monk stop treating Indigenous Australians as second-class citizens, imposing "work for the dole" conditions on them which are different than those imposed on white Australians.   He's a hypocrite of the worst order.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

They could go out and get a job, couldn't they?

Yeah provided there is actual work for them.

There are about 3/4 of a million unemployed people in Australia and only about one quarter of a million jobs.

So even if all the jobs are filled there will still be around 500 million people unemployed.

Prospects don't look good.

I think you meant 500,000, Raven, not 500 million!

Yes thank you Brian

The main objection to this is that it incorporates racism into the constitution of Australia.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

The main objection to this is that it incorporates racism into the constitution of Australia.

There already is racism in the Constitution Herbert

Raven wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:03am: The main objection to this is that it incorporates racism into the constitution of Australia. There already is racism in the Constitution Herbert

Link please.

The aboriginal flag is the clearest evidence of racism that I have yet seen in this country.

What next ~ the flag of Islam flying alongside our national flag outside our State and federal parliamentary houses?

Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

The aboriginal flag is the clearest evidence of racism that I have yet seen in this country.

What about the States' flags?


Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?

You realise how hard it is to get a constitutional amendment, right?


Quote:

s 128:                    This Constitution shall not be altered except in the following manner:                    The proposed law for the alteration thereof must be passed by an absolute majority of each House of the Parliament, and not less than two nor more than six months after its passage through both Houses the proposed law shall be submitted in each State and Territory to the electors qualified to vote for the election of members of the House of Representatives.

For your perusal.

Majority of electors in a majority of states/territories. Plus it has to get an absolute majority of both houses of parliament. Something that's often tried, but very rarely successfully done.

And, nipping your favourite whinge topic in the bud, you won't have any constitutional recognition of muslims because you wont' get your majority of voters in a majority of states, will you? So you rest easy.

Here you go Herbert

Section 25 of the Australian Constitution


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For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race resident in that State shall not be counted.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=C20A3A690A274B8D81F471DE5354C6D6&_z=z

Then of course the Race Power section in 51(26). It says federal Parliament can make ''special laws'' for people of any race. The idea in 1901 was that laws were needed to discriminate against certain races, such as by limiting their choice of occupation or where they could live so as to limit their contact with whites. As stated by the nation's first prime minister, Edmund Barton, the power was necessary to ''regulate the affairs of the people of coloured or inferior races who are in the Commonwealth''.

Incidentally the races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people. At the time of Federation they were described as a ''dying race'' and it was thought that this would best be managed by the states and not the Commonwealth.

Raven wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people

I think you've got it the wrong way round. 51(xxvi) says:

Quote:

the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws;

and the part about the aboriginal race was repealed in... the 50's IIRC? But at any race, the effect was really to extend the race power to include Aboriginals, whereas previously A. affairs were in the domain of the states.

But your point about s25 is absolutely correct. Although, it is worth noting that any such legislation would be over-turned as inconsistent with the Racial Discrimination Act under s109 CC.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm: races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people I think you've got it the wrong way round. 51(xxvi) says: Quote: the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws; and the part about the aboriginal race was repealed in... the 50's IIRC? But at any race, the effect was really to extend the race power to include Aboriginals, whereas previously A. affairs were in the domain of the states.

Until the 1967 referendum Federal Parliament could not make special laws for Aboriginal People. The referendum deleted "other then the aboriginal race" and now Federal Parliament can make laws in regards to Aboriginal People, so originally the race powers did not apply to Aboriginal People.

Raven wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

Here you go Herbert Edmund Barton, the power was necessary to ''regulate the affairs of the people of coloured or inferior races who are in the Commonwealth''.

And he was, of course, quite correct in assuming that a people of a Stone Age culture should not be burdened with the same civic responsibilities as the settlers and immigrants.

He was exempting them from the political and work obligations that were imposed upon the rest of Australia.

Even to this present day, I don't hear too much objection and protest from the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry that indigenous Australians are not required, as everyone else is, to be actively looking for work if they are on the dole, and that they must sign a Mutual Obligation Agreement document as a prerequisite for receiving the dole.

And must attend all job interviews as dictated by their local Centrelink office. Uniquely, as with Strait Islanders, Aborigines are not required to look for work while receiving the dole.

Aborigines whinge about 'racism' only when it doesn't jeopardise the unique privileges they enjoy that are not given to the rest of the Australian population.

Noel Pearson has been criticising this double-stand for years. He wants the aboriginal people to not be privileged with special exemptions and considerations for being native Australians.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

The aboriginal flag is the clearest evidence of racism that I have yet seen in this country.

I love the irony.

The biggest racist in this forum doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'racism'.

I needed a good laugh.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?

We join countries like the US, Canada and New Zealand who have recognised indigenous people in their Constitutions

NSW, South Australia, Victoria and (can you believe it) Queensland have recognised or made moves to recognise Aboriginal people in their Constitutions.

I happen to disagree with Noel Pearson's insistence that ALL aborigines be treated the same as everyone else.

I think any reasonable person would believe that not all aborigines are yet suited to a western workaday lifestyle of a 5-day working week with all it entails.

Some of our more outback and rural indigenous Australians need to be left alone to be as they are, while financed and looked after by Big Brother government agencies.

Raven wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm: Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end? We join countries like the US, Canada and New Zealand who have recognised indigenous people in their Constitutions NSW, South Australia, Victoria and (can you believe it) Queensland have recognised or made moves to recognise Aboriginal people in their Constitutions.

Okay then ~ let's do it.  :)

(You see. I am negotiable).  :)

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Kumbaya ... kumbaya ... kumbaya ... kumbaya ...  :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm: Here you go Herbert Edmund Barton, the power was necessary to ''regulate the affairs of the people of coloured or inferior races who are in the Commonwealth''. Even to this present day, I don't hear too much objection and protest from the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry that indigenous Australians are not required, as everyone else is, to be actively looking for work if they are on the dole, and that they must sign a Mutual Obligation Agreement document as a prerequisite for receiving the dole. And must attend all job interviews as dictated by their local Centrelink office. Uniquely, as with Strait Islanders, Aborigines are not required to look for work while receiving the dole.

Really Herb where do you get your info from?

Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.

Wait you are thinking of what it was like a couple years ago when they got free jet skis and free first class airfares anywhere they want. 

Raven wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:26pm: Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm: races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people I think you've got it the wrong way round. 51(xxvi) says: Quote: the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws; and the part about the aboriginal race was repealed in... the 50's IIRC? But at any race, the effect was really to extend the race power to include Aboriginals, whereas previously A. affairs were in the domain of the states. Until the 1967 referendum Federal Parliament could not make special laws for Aboriginal People. The referendum deleted "other then the aboriginal race" and now Federal Parliament can make laws in regards to Aboriginal People, so originally the race powers did not apply to Aboriginal People.

Sorry, you've got that wrong, Raven.  The Federal Parliament could and did pass laws regarding Indigenes but only in Commonwealth Territories (such as the Northern Territory and/or the ACT).   Clause 51(xxvi) prevented them from passing such laws in the States.

The Commonwealth was also forbidden to count Indigenes in the Census, carried out every four years to determine how many citizens there were in Australia.   This was done because the reason why the Census was enacted was because payments to the Commonwealth by the states was initially on a per capita basis and paid for out of States' taxation revenues.  As Indigenes were deemed "unproductive members of society", the States sought to limit them being included in the Census.  When the States lost the power levelling income taxation in 1942 and the Commonwealth was therefore granted an independent source of income, the reason why they weren't counted became superfluous but remained for reasons of racism.

However, even by 1945, that was under criticism, particularly from the Returned Servicemen's League, as it was perceived unfair that Indigenes fought for Australia but weren't even considered citizens.   In IIRC 1950, a limited franchise was introduced Federally for Indigenous returned servicemen.  This was expanded slightly in the mid-1950s to Indigenous servicemen who had served inside Australia.   At the state level the franchise various significantly from state to state though, with some states such as SA giving the franchise to those Indigenes judged to "civilised enough" and on the registrar of voters.

Raven wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

[ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.

rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.

Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)

ian wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.

Yes, the new ones which are being introduced are much harsher. 


Quote:

Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory will be working for around $5 cash an hour under changes to a remote work-for-the-dole scheme, bringing back memories of the old ‘work for rations’ days.

[url=https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/09/black-australia-would-be-essentially-free-labour-under-work-dole-changes]Source[/url]

They are required to do "work for the dole" for 52 weeks a year - this is more than an employed person is normally required under award conditions.   


Quote:

It will put tougher requirements on welfare recipients in remote areas, who are already working for the dole, and where the scrapping of CDEP has had disastrous consequences. In the Northern Territory, the situation is even more dire because of compulsory income management, one of the most controversial planks of the NT intervention. CDEP was abolished under the NT intervention in 2007, but the Rudd government brought back a severely watered down version of the scheme, before it was transitioned into the RJCP. Previously, CDEP employed about 7000 Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory, who were paid real wages for their employment, which was provided through a block grant to community-controlled Aboriginal organisations. It included superannuation and protection under industrial mechanisms like the Fair Work Act and the Occupational Health and Safety Act. In many communities it was the only source of employment and before 2007 was the largest employer of Aboriginal people in the Territory. The scrapping of CDEP in the Northern Territory increased unemployment rates “dramatically”, Indigenous policy expert Jon Altman has written. Under the current RJCP, Aboriginal workers in NT communities were already working 16 hours a week for Newstart wages. The new changes will toughen requirements, forcing welfare recipients in remote areas to work 25 hours, five days a week over 52 weeks in order to receive their welfare payments. In contrast, recipients in regional areas and cities will only be required to work under these conditions for six months, under wider reforms to welfare across Australia.

[url=https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/09/black-australia-would-be-essentially-free-labour-under-work-dole-changes]Source[/url]

ian wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)

Spoken like a racist.  Without the contribution provided by Indigenous workers, the cattle and sheep industries would not be what they are today.  Indigenous stockmen have long been used in those industries.   Further, most Indigenes are not perpetrators of "crime, drunkeness [or] indolence".

Time you pulled your head out of the gutter and went out and looked a rural and remote Australia.  Ever been to Broome?  Most of the population is Indigenes.  They work successfully in all the industries of the North-West and the Top End.  Indeed, most of those industries would cease to function if the Indigenes withdrew their labour.   Your attempt to characterise them in such terms is racism at it's worst.    ::)

the majority of so called indiginous people do not live in the country but near cities. are you australian? Because any Australian would know this.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25am:

ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm: Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people. Yes, the new ones which are being introduced are much harsher.  Quote: Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory will be working for around $5 cash an hour under changes to a remote work-for-the-dole scheme, bringing back memories of the old ‘work for rations’ days. [url=https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/09/black-australia-would-be-essentially-free-labour-under-work-dole-changes]Source[/url] They are required to do "work for the dole" for 52 weeks a year - this is more than an employed person is normally required under award conditions.    [quote] It will put tougher requirements on welfare recipients in remote areas, who are already working for the dole, and where the scrapping of CDEP has had disastrous consequences. In the Northern Territory, the situation is even more dire because of compulsory income management, one of the most controversial planks of the NT intervention. CDEP was abolished under the NT intervention in 2007, but the Rudd government brought back a severely watered down version of the scheme, before it was transitioned into the RJCP. Previously, CDEP employed about 7000 Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory, who were paid real wages for their employment, which was provided through a block grant to community-controlled Aboriginal organisations. It included superannuation and protection under industrial mechanisms like the Fair Work Act and the Occupational Health and Safety Act. In many communities it was the only source of employment and before 2007 was the largest employer of Aboriginal people in the Territory. The scrapping of CDEP in the Northern Territory increased unemployment rates “dramatically”, Indigenous policy expert Jon Altman has written. Under the current RJCP, Aboriginal workers in NT communities were already working 16 hours a week for Newstart wages. The new changes will toughen requirements, forcing welfare recipients in remote areas to work 25 hours, five days a week over 52 weeks in order to receive their welfare payments. In contrast, recipients in regional areas and cities will only be required to work under these conditions for six months, under wider reforms to welfare across Australia.

[url=https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/09/black-australia-would-be-essentially-free-labour-under-work-dole-changes]Source[/url][/quote]
these are 'plans". You know what government "plans" are dont you?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:29am:

ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm: Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.) Spoken like a racist.  Without the contribution provided by Indigenous workers, the cattle and sheep industries would not be what they are today.  Indigenous stockmen have long been used in those industries.   Further, most Indigenes are not perpetrators of "crime, drunkeness [or] indolence". Time you pulled your head out of the gutter and went out and looked a rural and remote Australia.  Ever been to Broome?  Most of the population is Indigenes.  They work successfully in all the industries of the North-West and the Top End.  Indeed, most of those industries would cease to function if the Indigenes withdrew their labour.   Your attempt to characterise them in such terms is racism at it's worst.    ::)

ROFL!!!! You ever been to Broome? Obviously not. Lololololoolooll

ian wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.

And your proof is?

Aboriginal people are required to abide by the same conditions to receive Newstart as the rest of the nation

Payments for indigenous Australians

Newstart Allowance provides financial help if you are looking for work and supports you while you take part in activities that may increase your chances of finding a job.

Indigenous Australians looking for work, studying or training

Support when you are looking for work

You may be able to get Newstart Allowance, which gives you financial support while you do activities that may increase your chances of finding a job, such as studying or training.

You may need to start attending Job Seeker Workshops if you are a job seeker who is:
•in your first 13 weeks of unemployment
•able to work

If you are a Job seeker claiming Newstart or Youth Allowance and have participation requirements, you may be referred to an Employment Service Provider to assist you to get a job.

These requirements are the same for non Aboriginal people receiving Centrelink

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

And he was, of course, quite correct in assuming that a people of a Stone Age culture should not be burdened with the same civic responsibilities as the settlers and immigrants.

ian wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)

Re-posted for the lols. I hope everyone else can laugh at these pitiful racists instead of getting offended.

You see, it is in fact a clever satire of the racist culture within Autralia, and I applaud ian & herb for their witty and ironic deconstruction of racism.

Much appreciated, lads.

ian wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.

"News for Indigenous Australians"

"Job seeker payments will be suspended and you will not be able to report if you miss an appointment with your provider."

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/themes/indigenous-australians

ian wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.

Correct.

It's called 'sit-down money'.

No work? No worries.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:25pm:

ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm: Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people. Correct. It's called 'sit-down money'. No work? No worries.

It's completely incorrect.

However, if you'd like to substantiate your claim ...

(Who am I kidding? - the Troll King has never substantiated a claim in his life.)

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 3:25pm:

ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm: Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm: [ Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews. rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people. Correct. It's called 'sit-down money'. No work? No worries.

Keep plugging away at that falsehood Herb

Raven wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 4:07pm:

Keep plugging away at that falsehood Herb

It's the ol' bait-and-hook, Journeyman Raven. It's a ye olde fishing tactic King Herb has adapted for internet use.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Raven wrote on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 4:07pm: Keep plugging away at that falsehood Herb It's the ol' bait-and-hook, Journeyman Raven. It's a ye olde fishing tactic King Herb has adapted for internet use.

Indeed.


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I've struggled to find the sentences which confirm that indigenous Australians are under the same official threat as the rest of us that if they do not satisfy their reciprocal obligations to look for work and attend interviews their dole payments will be gradually reduced.

link

There's so much unnecessary verbiage to wade through that I simply gave up.

There are urbanised aborigines who should be under the same obligations as the rest of us, but there are also a sizable number of bush and rural aborigines who I believe should not be threatened with reduced benefits for non-compliance with the strict interpretations of the rules.

Once the first people have been recognised then we need to recognise the second people. After that, we then need to amend the constitution further to recognise the third people, and then the fourth, then the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and so on. This is progress.

ian wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:39am:

these are 'plans". You know what government "plans" are dont you?

Plans which are being implemented.  Figured out yet why Morrison has been moved to Social Security?    ::)

There is talk that the ultimate purpose of these plans is to force Indigenes to abandon their living in remote communities and force them into the cities, therefore leaving traditional lands vacant so the mining corporations can move in.   While I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories, there appears to be some sense in this one.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 1:16am:

ian wrote on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:39am: these are 'plans". You know what government "plans" are dont you? Plans which are being implemented.  Figured out yet why Morrison has been moved to Social Security?    ::) There is talk that the ultimate purpose of these plans is to force Indigenes to abandon their living in remote communities and force them into the cities, therefore leaving traditional lands vacant so the mining corporations can move in.   While I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories, there appears to be some sense in this one.    ::)

Wow. That's a hell of a stretch, Brian, but you may be right.

But the mining and fracking companies would have to pay the indigenous land-owners a very substantial rental and royalty fee ... meaning the local aborigines would have no need to look for work in Australia's industrial heartlands.

Wouldn't that be a win-win situation?

Rural and Remote aborigines should not be cattle-trucked to the cities to form bigger and more black ghettoes with their crime and drug-dealing.

This guy says it best about the BASTARDS who won't LEAVE THE ABORIGINES ALONE to get on with their lives without being exploited by these BASTARDS who don't care a sh*t how they feel ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

ian wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 12:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:29am: ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm: Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.) Spoken like a racist.  Without the contribution provided by Indigenous workers, the cattle and sheep industries would not be what they are today.  Indigenous stockmen have long been used in those industries.   Further, most Indigenes are not perpetrators of "crime, drunkeness [or] indolence". Time you pulled your head out of the gutter and went out and looked a rural and remote Australia.  Ever been to Broome?  Most of the population is Indigenes.  They work successfully in all the industries of the North-West and the Top End.  Indeed, most of those industries would cease to function if the Indigenes withdrew their labour.   Your attempt to characterise them in such terms is racism at it's worst.    ::) ROFL!!!! You ever been to Broome? Obviously not. Lololololoolooll

Yes, I had a good laugh at that too. 

Abos riot every weekend and twice on Thursdays, but somehow they're still model citizens.