The far left extremists,  or the middle right free trade extremists?

They seem to be in immigration loving alliance to me.

free trade  ... it undermines our industry, our innovation, our whole base .. our kids will have no jobs because there will be no jobs there for them, unless they're lucky enough to get a job unloading shipping containers

with our climate and our soil we are even importing fruit and vege's for christs sake ...

The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour.

The left likes the free movement of labour. It hates the idea of the free movement of capital.

I'm in the middle, I like the idea of the free movement of both capital and labour.    Indeed, if the world introduced a 1% tax on all capital movements, we wouldn't need any more taxes.   If we allowed the free movement of labour, there would be no more labour shortages, nor the need to guard borders.   Scott Morrison might be out of a job though...

The left wing leads to world peace. Supporting homosexuals, Muslims, feminists, ethnic minorities over and above all white men is the only way world peace can be achieved.

In Australia we don't have a far left in fact we barely have a moderate left. What we call the left in Australia is in reality a moderate to centre right. Many who consider their politics to the right are between a centre and fairly extreme proponents.

Labor's left would be barely left of centre, The greens could be considered a bit further left but not much.

The right of the Liberals are verging on extreme right with some clearly crossing the line, unfortunately this is the group currently in control, the moderate right or small l's have almost been dispatched by the stronger group.

In terms of free trade they are both almost as bad as each other. I have no real problem with free trade but it seems that the deals we make are only free trading for the other side, we end up with about as many restrictions as we started with, we have lost on all the trade agreements.

We currently have a series of pretend free trade agreements that are not typically to our advantage.

The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour.

I dont think this is correct.

Plenty of businesses would like to import labour.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 6:06am:

In Australia we don't have a far left in fact we barely have a moderate left. What we call the left in Australia is in reality a moderate to centre right. Many who consider their politics to the right are between a centre and fairly extreme proponents. Labor's left would be barely left of centre, The greens could be considered a bit further left but not much. The right of the Liberals are verging on extreme right with some clearly crossing the line, unfortunately this is the group currently in control, the moderate right or small l's have almost been dispatched by the stronger group. In terms of free trade they are both almost as bad as each other. I have no real problem with free trade but it seems that the deals we make are only free trading for the other side, we end up with about as many restrictions as we started with, we have lost on all the trade agreements. We currently have a series of pretend free trade agreements that are not typically to our advantage.

the greens have tossed the  environment out in favour of extreme ultra leftism.

The far left looneys don't operate in a party called the socialist communist mao tse tung party. They operate in many government funded operations and government jobs, and in the media. And most importantly (to those scum bags)primary school etc.

They don't need a party. They've infiltrated and filled pivetal positions in many areas.

They are combating awareness of this by currently using the term ," when you are a little bit left of centre like me..."

Assholes. They twist language. Assholes.

miketrees wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour. I dont think this is correct. Plenty of businesses would like to import labour.

Businesses are not necessarily representative of the views of the hard Right, Mike.    ::)

"what is destroying Australia more....?"

Greed.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

The far left extremists ...

Who are these "far left extremists" you talk of?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 11:40pm:

The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour.

It hates the free movement of the budgerhadeen.


Labour - if only they worked. The bludgerhadeen are bludgers. For Allah. What's to like?

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 11:40pm: The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour. It hates the free movement of the budgerhadeen. Labour - if only they worked. The bludgerhadeen are bludgers. For Allah. What's to like?

Except, Soren, the reality of history stumps you again.  The first large numbers of Muslims to immigrate to Australia was done under, guess who?  Why, Malcom Fraser, that representative (at the time) of guess what?  The Right in Australia.

I do wish you would just once actually speak from a position of knowledge, rather than from your intolerant ignorance.   ::)

Personally, every Muslim I've ever met has been in gainful employment or study, Soren so I'm unsure who this "bludgerhadeen" are.   I still wonder if you're ever met a Muslim in life.    ::)

Have a safe, happy Christmas, Soren.  Enjoy your Christian festival.   

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 4:00pm: The far left extremists ... Who are these "far left extremists" you talk of?

In due course vee vill be putting all ov you in re education camps.  ;)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 11:40pm: The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour. It hates the free movement of the budgerhadeen. Labour - if only they worked. The bludgerhadeen are bludgers. For Allah. What's to like? Except, Soren, the reality of history stumps you again.  The first large numbers of Muslims to immigrate to Australia was done under, guess who?  Why, Malcom Fraser, that representative (at the time) of guess what?  The Right in Australia. I do wish you would just once actually speak from a position of knowledge, rather than from your intolerant ignorance.   ::) Personally, every Muslim I've ever met has been in gainful employment or study, Soren so I'm unsure who this "bludgerhadeen" are.   I still wonder if you're ever met a Muslim in life.    ::) Have a safe, happy Christmas, Soren.  Enjoy your Christian festival.

people who say immigrants don't work in Australia are trolls. It's England where immigrants don't work. Our immigration policies have been quite different from theirs.

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

free trade  ... it undermines our industry, our innovation, our whole base .. our kids will have no jobs because there will be no jobs there for them, unless they're lucky enough to get a job unloading shipping containers with our climate and our soil we are even importing fruit and vege's for christs sake ...

I like your RAGE, John.

Premier Baird of the NSW State government has just announced he is inviting yet more overseas investors to buy up yet more of our national heritage.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

The far left extremists,  or the middle right free trade extremists? They seem to be in immigration loving alliance to me.

A symbiotic relationship.

The Liberal party and the looney lefties are in a symbiotic relationship.

Quote:

what is destroying Australia more....

The cat ran up a different tree.

Quote:

what is destroying Australia more....

Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is"
"what started to destroy Australia" ?

My parents came from the experience of wars.


They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence.
The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked.

Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension.

I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest.

That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency.

Australia is SOLD OUT.

Moral

You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day,
but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same.

What is destroying Australia?

Stupidity in its many guises.

Forget left or right, stupidity comes in all ideologies, shapes ,colours and sizes.

but if you teach him how to fish

He (or she) will plunder the oceans and destroy the environment causing species extinction global warming, world conflict (insert usual politically correct rant)

For gods sake think of the penguins

miketrees

If you got nothing to say, feerrrK off !

ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same.

I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D


If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade.

Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948


There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture.

The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about.

miketrees wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 10:27am:

but if you teach him how to fish He (or she) will plunder the oceans and destroy the environment causing species extinction global warming, world conflict (insert usual politically correct rant) For gods sake think of the penguins

The fishing would be awesome if we all left it for five years.

five years is all it takes for fish to replenish.

sadly we live in a redneck wonderland where men would rather sit on a miserable tinnie catching nothing than have the discipline to wait just five years.

Furthermore, you don't understand the looneys. They WANT the environment to fail. I've pleaded with them to address homelessness, poverty, the cost of living....

nothing


they all do that looney left passive aggressive groan...

especially if you bring up the global bank cartel.

Why would leftists defend the banks? It makes no sense. Theyve been utterly hijacked.

Eefen Mien Furher revused to eat meat on zee grounds ov animal cruelty.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about.

must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism.

but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about. must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism. but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale.

The elite fear communism. The idea of their unders getting together and pushing them out of power keeps them up at night. That's all mass immigration is.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:40pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about. must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism. but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale. The elite fear communism. The idea of their unders getting together and pushing them out of power keeps them up at night. That's all mass immigration is.

Could be. Ethnic conflict model it's called. Like when the British moved the ulster scots to northern Ireland. 

And they pit peoples against each other in the middle east too.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:44pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:40pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about. must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism. but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale. The elite fear communism. The idea of their unders getting together and pushing them out of power keeps them up at night. That's all mass immigration is. Could be. Ethnic conflict model it's called. Like when the British moved the ulster scots to northern Ireland.  And they pit peoples against each other in the middle east too.

I just wish they'd get up and tell the truth instead of wheeling out that melting pot and cultural enrichment crud. England didn't need mass immigration. It's a over populated little island already. Australia would have populated at it's own speed. Oh well it's too late now. They won't like it so much when ethnic and religious groups start fighting one another and more bombs go off. The muslim nutjobs are going after the elite so most people will be safe.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:49pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:44pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:40pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about. must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism. but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale. The elite fear communism. The idea of their unders getting together and pushing them out of power keeps them up at night. That's all mass immigration is. Could be. Ethnic conflict model it's called. Like when the British moved the ulster scots to northern Ireland.  And they pit peoples against each other in the middle east too. I just wish they'd get up and tell the truth instead of wheeling out that melting pot and cultural enrichment crud. England didn't need mass immigration. It's a over populated little island already. Australia would have populated at it's own speed. Oh well it's too late now. They won't like it so much when ethnic and religious groups start fighting one another and more bombs go off. The muslim nutjobs are going after the elite so most people will be safe.

The powers that be are horrible people.

and what about the "aging generation" scam? Now we don't have enough hospitals, schools and old age homes because howard brought in all those people.

and the "populate or perish" one in the 50s?

Mass immigration demoralized western populations so we stopped breeding. They hammered poor old germany. Each woman there can only afford 1.4 children! Fancy wheeling round .4 of a child!  :P

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:55pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:49pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:44pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:40pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about. must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism. but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale. The elite fear communism. The idea of their unders getting together and pushing them out of power keeps them up at night. That's all mass immigration is. Could be. Ethnic conflict model it's called. Like when the British moved the ulster scots to northern Ireland.  And they pit peoples against each other in the middle east too. I just wish they'd get up and tell the truth instead of wheeling out that melting pot and cultural enrichment crud. England didn't need mass immigration. It's a over populated little island already. Australia would have populated at it's own speed. Oh well it's too late now. They won't like it so much when ethnic and religious groups start fighting one another and more bombs go off. The muslim nutjobs are going after the elite so most people will be safe. The powers that be are horrible people. and what about the "aging generation" scam? Now we don't have enough hospitals, schools and old age homes because howard brought in all those people. and the "populate or perish" one in the 50s? Mass immigration demoralized western populations so we stopped breeding. They hammered poor old germany. Each woman there can only afford 1.4 children! Fancy wheeling round .4 of a child!  :P

They just do what they want and we have to suck on it. And then they get angry if we don't agree with them. In Australia some people are born and bred to feel they have authority over other people. I don't agree with that and never will. Cheers DifferentFrequency.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 25^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 11:40pm: The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour. It hates the free movement of the budgerhadeen. Labour - if only they worked. The bludgerhadeen are bludgers. For Allah. What's to like? Except, Soren, the reality of history stumps you again.  The first large numbers of Muslims to immigrate to Australia was done under, guess who?  Why, Malcom Fraser, that representative (at the time) of guess what?  The Right in Australia.

Malcolm Fraser is more Left than Sarah Hanson Young.   Whitlam the Great Leftie said no to all the Vietnamese Balts and Fraser, the Crazy Grazier, said yes.

Soren wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 25th, 2014 at 11:08am: Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 11:40pm: The right likes the free movement of capital.  It hates the idea of the free movement of labour. It hates the free movement of the budgerhadeen. Labour - if only they worked. The bludgerhadeen are bludgers. For Allah. What's to like? Except, Soren, the reality of history stumps you again.  The first large numbers of Muslims to immigrate to Australia was done under, guess who?  Why, Malcom Fraser, that representative (at the time) of guess what?  The Right in Australia. Malcolm Fraser is more Left than Sarah Hanson Young.   Whitlam the Great Leftie said no to all the Vietnamese Balts and Fraser, the Crazy Grazier, said yes.

Whitlam was wrong.  Fraser was correct (as well as right ;) ).  Simple as that, Soren.

You got a problem with the Indochinese refugees?

As for Fraser's position on the political spectrum, he's stayed basically still while the rest of Australia has tended to shift to the right, much to it's detriment.   ::)

Malcom fraser was right wing.

The right are the pro immigration side. In every western country.

It's anti-worker.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 3:25pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:55pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:49pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:44pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:40pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: DifferentFrequency wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 2:27pm: ozzyoi wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 10:08am: Quote: what is destroying Australia more.... Maybe reconsider wording the question from "what is" "what started to destroy Australia" ? My parents came from the experience of wars. They worked and own a house with a 1/4 acre block which was bought around 1961. They paid their taxes, lived a normal clean existence. The was no social security except their now aged pension which is fair enough given the fact they worked. Have seen a few generations living off social security, never having a job, on the dole and now a few years short of aged pension. I am not knocking the Social Security system, it has it's place in Australia, it's better than Anarchy or smashing windows to get food at Coles and share it with everyone else in a non violent scenario. Any living organism will get a little pissed of for lack of protein, just take enough and share the rest. That's the problem with Australia, the equal share of jobs and wealth has been sold to overseas interests by those who wanted the proteins more than most did here due to Social Security generated Complacency. Australia is SOLD OUT. Moral You can give a man a fish to feed him for one day, but if you teach him how to fish, he can feed himself for a lifetime and teach others to do the same. I find dat a black triangle patch on zee arm of zee vork shy is gut insentive. :D If we all worked 100 hour weeks from when the first boatload of Mediterranean Australians arrived in the 50s,....guess what? ....they would have brought them in anyway. In fact. We didn't even have the welfare culture BEFORE they started mass immigration and free trade. Same in England. The first boat load of pakistanis was imported in 1948. People weren't slackers in 1948 There is something very sick going on in the west and it predates the dole culture. The elite and wealthy  want us to be a big divided up mess along ethnic , religious and socio economic grounds. It makes us easy to govern. That's all it's about. must be where it started, yes. I can't believe they did that to merry old England after fighting 2 world wars for nationalism. but I think now days it's just a free for all, bargain basement sale. The elite fear communism. The idea of their unders getting together and pushing them out of power keeps them up at night. That's all mass immigration is. Could be. Ethnic conflict model it's called. Like when the British moved the ulster scots to northern Ireland.  And they pit peoples against each other in the middle east too. I just wish they'd get up and tell the truth instead of wheeling out that melting pot and cultural enrichment crud. England didn't need mass immigration. It's a over populated little island already. Australia would have populated at it's own speed. Oh well it's too late now. They won't like it so much when ethnic and religious groups start fighting one another and more bombs go off. The muslim nutjobs are going after the elite so most people will be safe. The powers that be are horrible people. and what about the "aging generation" scam? Now we don't have enough hospitals, schools and old age homes because howard brought in all those people. and the "populate or perish" one in the 50s? Mass immigration demoralized western populations so we stopped breeding. They hammered poor old germany. Each woman there can only afford 1.4 children! Fancy wheeling round .4 of a child!  :P They just do what they want and we have to suck on it. And then they get angry if we don't agree with them. In Australia some people are born and bred to feel they have authority over other people. I don't agree with that and never will. Cheers DifferentFrequency.

True, Homo, but it's different if you Western Sydney Curries have the authority.

Stop the boats, eh?

Erm karnel. We aren't talking about boats. The boats have been stopped by the government and the previous government did an adequate job of border protection too.

It's a non issue.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Erm karnel. We aren't talking about boats. The boats have been stopped by the government and the previous government did an adequate job of border protection too. It's a non issue.

Not to Homo. To him, the boats represent an invasion of coloured hoards by sea. We can’t possibly stop the boats. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

Mind you, the boat-stoppers have ignored one important social and technological shift in the past half century: air travel. As Air Asia says, now everyone can fly.

And as we’ve spent the last 6 years myopically focused on about thirty thousand queue-jumping boat people, more refugees have come by air than ever before.

I still say we stop the boats.

Karnal wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 12:34pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 7:33pm: Erm karnel. We aren't talking about boats. The boats have been stopped by the government and the previous government did an adequate job of border protection too. It's a non issue. Not to Homo. To him, the boats represent an invasion of coloured hoards by sea. We can’t possibly stop the boats. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Mind you, the boat-stoppers have ignored one important social and technological shift in the past half century: air travel. As Air Asia says, now everyone can fly. And as we’ve spent the last 6 years myopically focused on about thirty thousand queue-jumping boat people, more refugees have come by air than ever before. I still say we stop the boats.

The media and the government don't want us to know planes exist.