freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

What is the Islamic concept of "innocence" Gandalf?

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 11:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 10:37pm: The Quranic quote I provided for moses is as good as any: "Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression." This is the Islamic concept of innocence? No wonder the British Imam took such license with the term. Is there even an Arabic word that translates to innocent?

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Gandalf is the Islamic concept of guilt and innocence entirely collective?

I have no idea what you are talking about FD.

Presumably you have a problem with the Quranic verse I quoted. If so, perhaps you can elaborate.

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."

This appears to be a collective reference.

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression." This appears to be a collective reference.

No, FD, it’s no more than taqiyya.

No hostility? What a load of crap.

Why would it even occur to someone that this verse reveals the Islamic concept of innocence?

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Why would it even occur to someone that this verse reveals the Islamic concept of innocence?

Why would it even occur to someone that there is an Islamic concept of innocence?

Is there?

Sometimes a question is just a question, FD. Why don’t you tell us the answer?

I think FD is asking if the Quran has any verses about innocence like the Bible does:



"...everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
- 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

I think FD is asking if the Quran has any verses about innocence like the Bible does: "...everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Yes, that’s innocence alright. We should all seek the Lord. If the Muslim refuses, he should be put to death.

Chronicles about 2694 years ago.

Apologists are bogged down in the ancient past to excuse islam today 2014 / 15.

Karnal wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2014 at 3:51pm: Why would it even occur to someone that this verse reveals the Islamic concept of innocence? Why would it even occur to someone that there is an Islamic concept of innocence? Is there? Sometimes a question is just a question, FD. Why don’t you tell us the answer?

Because Muhammed built an entire legal code. The topic does come up occasionally, for example when that British Imam declared to the media after 9/11 that in Islam it is wrong to kill innocents, then told his congregation in Arabic that only Muslims are innocent.

The links I gave above are now broken, but this is how it came up previously:


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:13pm: Are you conceding there are verses that contradict each other in the Quran Gandalf? no. Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:13pm: Is there a verse where Mo says killing innocent women and children is ok? no.

If you’ve had this conversation before, and you even have links, why are you asking the question again, FD?

I’m curious.

People who do not practice oppression are innocent - and are not to be harmed. Is that so hard to understand?

Whats this collective nonsense?

It sounds like a reference to warfare. There are plenty of things you can be guilty of without 'practicing oppression'.

I thought we were talking about warfare.