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Title: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by perceptions_now on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am

Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside Martin Place cafe

A GUNMAN is reportedly holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place.
Channel 7 reported that an armed man is holding hostages at the Lindt Chocolate cafe, opposite the broadcaster’s Martin Place studios.
A NSW Police spokeswoman told Guardian Australia police were responding to an “unfolding” situation in Martin Place.
She would not confirm social media reports that a gunman was in the area, merely that it was an “ongoing operation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-of-hostage-situation-inside-martin-place-cafe-live
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ISIL Flag in window of cafe, is on most TV channels now!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am

The question begs:

Why are the idiots of the Abbott government allowing Muslims to return to Australia after having served time fighting for ISIS and other extremist militia groups?

If this is the case here, then I hope the hostages and their families sue the pants off the Abbott government.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

Guess how the allies won the Second World War?

Guns. Bombs. Shooting.

They 'lowered' themselves to fight the enemy on their own terms ... and that's why your sorry arse is alive and well and looking for clients.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Rocketanski on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:54am

Where's all the muslim apologists?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

yes you are right. Like everyone else (well most people anyhow) I am sick of ISIS and just want the bombings to quadruple and the ground troops to go in and annihilate them. and here in Oz, build a jail just for them and put all their supporters in there.

personally, I hope who ever is doing this siege comes out in a body bag.

ZERO TOLERANCE.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

Guess how the allies won the Second World War?

Guns. Bombs. Shooting.

They 'lowered' themselves to fight the enemy on their terms ... and that's why your sorry arse is alive and well and looking for clients.

Anybody who supports "summarily executing" people is no better than a terrorist.

It seems that this thread has exposed a few terrorist sympathisers already.

I'm sure more will reveal themselves as the day progresses.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:59am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

The question begs:

Why are the idiots of the Abbott government allowing Muslims to return to Australia after having served time fighting for ISIS and other extremist militia groups?

If this is case here, then I hope the hostages and their families sue the pants off the Abbott government.

if you fight for these groups and return here you will be charged and jailed. that is the law. the problem that seems to have escaped your attention is that none of them have returned.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

so off you go supporting terrorism yet again. is there a single principled bone in your body?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:02am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

They 'lowered' themselves to fight the enemy on their own terms ... and that's why your sorry arse is alive and well and looking for clients.

Yep. I agree with Herbert.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Why are the idiots of the Abbott government allowing Muslims to return to Australia after having served time fighting for ISIS and other extremist militia groups?

Because, it's the PC thing to do. You're forgetting the party line. Sit down, have some goat's milk, and repeat after me... Nothing to do with Islam... It's whitey's fault... Nothing to do with Islam... Blame whitey... Not Islam...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:04am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

so off you go supporting terrorism yet again. is there a single principled bone in your body?

No. I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

I also deplore summary executions.

By calling for summary executions, you have revealed to everyone this morning that you are no better than a terrorist.

You are a true terrorist sympathiser, and Herbie seems to support you.

I'm sure more of your kind will reveal themselves as the day progresses.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by perceptions_now on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

The ISIL flag statement originally came from the TV channels, but they have now changed their story and they are saying it isn't an ISIL flag.

However, the TV channels are till saying the flag is a jihadist flag.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

No. I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

This is news to me. So, for the record, you deplore these terrorists, even if they turn out to be Muslim?

I can't wait for these f*ers to get to gaol. I'm sure the inmates will give them a very, very warm welcome. I for one propose them sharing a cell in the bikie block. With early parole for whoever reports their untimely demise.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

so off you go supporting terrorism yet again. is there a single principled bone in your body?

which part of 'knee-jerk reaction' do you not understand??? or did my extensive participation in the anti death penalty thread that we were both in completely skip your attention?

for someone who claims such education you are truly appalling at understanding literary devices and context.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:15am

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

Yes, they like to focus on the "important" things (things, that is, that will look good on the 6 o'clock "news" bulletin).

Meanwhile, police (rightly so) are concerned with getting the hostages out of there safely, and are not that bothered with a worthless piece of rag.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

so off you go supporting terrorism yet again. is there a single principled bone in your body?

which part of 'knee-jerk reaction' do you not understand???

'knee-jerk reaction' ? Fine. At least you admit to that.

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

Glad we're finally in agreement on something.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am

What's the betting the hostage takers have nice, 'moderate' Muslim parents who are appalled at this turn of events ... confirming why Muslim immigration should be stopped because there is no quarantine process that can identify which of the immigrant Carriers of the Islamic cultural gene is going to produce a jihadi killer in later years.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:22am

First the obligatory disclaimer:- Not all Muslims are like that.....

Having posted the obligatory disclaimer, I will now offer this:-

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25772892/sydney-siege-hostages-taken-at-martin-place-cafe/

Image is of police outside the cafe - my not post.. or link...

"A number of hostages have been taken in a siege in Sydney's CBD.

At least three people can be seen with their hands raised through the windows of a cafe in Martin Place.

A black flag with Arabic text has also been seen hanging in the window of the Lindt Chocolat Cafe.

Dozens of heavily-armed police officers have flooded the area.

Witnesses have reported hearing loud bangs that sounded like gun shots.

One block of Martin Place has been cordoned off between Elizabeth Street and Phillip Street.

Police have urged members of the public to avoid the area.

The Channel Seven newsroom opposite the cafe has been evacuated.

Seven producer Patrick Byrne said staff at the network watched the situation unfold.

"We raced to the window and saw the shocking and chilling sight of people putting their hands up against the panes of glass at the cafe," he said.

"This was just extraordinary.

"Then, as we were looking wondering what was going on, it seemed to be like an armed hold-up, more police arrived at Martin Place.

"The area was cleared. People were kept back.

"It was then that gasps went through the newsroom as an ISIS flag was put up against one of the window panes."

Elleanor Gillard, who works in the same building as the cafe, said police have told them to stay inside and away from the doors.

"We've just been notifying everyone on the floors above - I'm on the ground - not to come down in the lift because the lifts open up right in the foyer between us and Lindt [Chocolat Cafe]," she said.

She said she saw a look of terror on the faces of two hostages who appeared to have been forced up against the glass.

"I'm just thinking about the guys in Lindt - the people we see everyday, go in and buy our coffee from them - and I'm sure they're terrified. It must be horrible for them."

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:23am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Which post are you referring to?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Let me repeat: I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, blacks, whites, Asians, women, men, etc.

When I say "all", I mean all.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

not worthless at all. it immediately indicates who and what are behind it and the likely outcome. these clowns are happy to die and take others with them. the flag is PRICELESS information. POlice now know that negotiation will fail and only an assault will work.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:28am

IF this is a terrorist act - it is long overdue and is expected. Now what remains is for the authorities to work out how best to handle it and deliver the facts and live hostages.

If any hostage is killed, mandatory life without .. and we need a good Devil's Island. If no hostages are killed I say life with a maybe...... and deportation to whoever is their enemy in Sandland.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:32am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

No, that's not my definition and I don't agree with it.

I cited the FBI stats, and in those stats they include graffiti attacks.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.
That includes ... Muslims

He actually said it. I can't believe it. Careful greggy, the party faithful will have your head. Hopefully I can fix things before they do -- quick, edit the post to say that it is never, ever the fault of any muslim. Ever.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

not worthless at all. it immediately indicates who and what are behind it and the likely outcome.

No, it doesn't.

All it indicates is that they have a flag.

Stop focusing on a worthless piece of rag, and turn your attention to the hostages and the terrorists.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:40am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.
That includes ... Muslims

I'm not sure why you are so surprised.

Perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else.

I've always condemned all acts of terrorism, no matter who the perpetrators are.

Moreover, I have always maintained that Islam is a "particularly silly religion".

Early stages yet though, so I'm not linking the two in this instance. My primary concern is seeing the hostages safely released and the terrorists captured. If people want to discuss their religion, skin colour, eye colour, sexual preferences, etc later on, then I'll leave that up to them.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:40am:

skin colour

I'm sure that'll get a lot of airtime - obliquely, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

All it indicates is that they have a flag.

And presumably think it's one to rally behind? Flags may be worthless pieces of rag, but their value is in their symbolic meaning. That's why people get excited about burning flags -- to them, the flag represents x or y. The logical inference is that, by displaying this flag (presumably not there before), the perpetrators are identifying themselves with what they understand the flag to represent.

In short, they're saying -- hey, we're the nasty flavour of muslim, not the nice one. Please come and relieve us of our lives, we'd rather get to our virgins asap.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am

Abbott's jumped on the bandwagon convening a meeting of the National Security Committee in Cabinet, and telling us that he had convened it. Duh. I feel much better knowing of that.

What a Godsend this is for Abbott and Hockey, taking the national focus away from what will be a disastrous budget update due shortly after noon.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:50am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

I wonder if there are any flag purchases on Abbott's or Hockey's credit card in the last few days.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:51am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

yeah like wheres BILL I notice no one mentions him in a crisis.. ;D ;D ;D

and wheres wishy washy... he likes NICE PEOPLE doesnt he.. I am sure they will turn cartwheels if wishy turns up.. >:( >:( >:(

I am sure those with their hands on the windows are thinking what NICE PEOPLE these are >:( >:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:51am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

Dunno yet. Do you?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Which post are you referring to?

Which culprits and which post?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

I wonder if there are any flag purchases on Abbott's or Hockey's credit card in the last few days.

not WHITE FLAGS though I am sure shortarse is under his desk in his bunker. waving the WHITE one he inherited from kruddy & Co.. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

1. We don't know yet.

2. Their religion doesn't matter - it's the act of terrorism that's a major concern.

3. If they tun out to be Muslims it means that this was an Islamic attack. It does not, however, mean that all attacks are Islamic or that all Muslims support the attack.

Turn your thoughts to the unfortunate hostages, and stop wasting time thinking about side issues such as faith and flags.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

What is? Do you have any proof that the perpetrators are in fact Muslims? Anybody can buy a flag and hang it in the window.

Even if they are Muslims, why do you assume they are actually either (a) observant or (b) following the mainstream interpretation of that religion?

Your bias and bigotry is well known Sprint. You are an Islamophobe. You will I expect blame all Muslims for this in your usual idiot idea of Collective Guilt. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:55am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

No, that's not my definition and I don't agree with it.

I cited the FBI stats, and in those stats they include graffiti attacks.

oh you agree with it when it suits your argument.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by fezz on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am

Why didn't these dudes just do what the majority of Islamic terrorists do, that is just be suicide bombers. That is how they create the most fear with greatest impact...I reckon these dudes are rank amateurs...or on someones payroll.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:57am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

No, that's not my definition and I don't agree with it.

I cited the FBI stats, and in those stats they include graffiti attacks.

oh you agree with it when it suits your argument.

No.

If you go back to that particular thread you will see that I clearly stated that you could remove all of the graffiti attacks from the list if you wanted to.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:57am

fezz wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Gee, you are not suggesting that Credlin and the PMO is involved in this are you?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by tickleandrose on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:58am

The whole point of creating incident like this is because these people want to create division within our society through ways of fear, and so that we also become as intolerant as they are.

If today, we use this incident to further divide between our pitiful differences, then they have won already.

Instead, we should unite together through courage.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:58am

The flag reads the standard Muslim text:-

"There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"..

or thereabouts... standard text on a black flag....

Good coverage on ABC.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:00am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

A flag doesn't prove, in any way, what religion they are.

They might be Muslims, they might not be.

Ultimately, it's irrelevant: it's the kidnapping/terrorism/siege which is the major concern.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:07am

From the Live ABC news feed on this seige:

Quote:

Lebanase Muslim Association president Samier Dandan says Australian Muslim leaders are meeting online now to see if the community can help.

Mr Dandan says it is not known who is behind the siege and whether there are any links to the Australian Muslim community.

"But regardless we have a hostage situation. Whether he is someone who belongs to the Australian Muslim community or not, we are still waiting for information to be provided by police and based on that if there's something the Muslim community can do or assist, we are there."

Obviously the majority of Muslims do not support these perpetrators. They are as alarmed and pissed off as all Australians are. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by fezz on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

fezz wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Gee, you are not suggesting that Credlin and the PMO is involved in this are you?

With the budget that was dropped today I'd be looking at any option for a distraction...wouldn't want to be called a hypocrite for not being able to make surplus! :-X

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am

Could be idiots thought-bubbling (bubbles in the brain) that they are 'muslim' and can 'make a statement'.

No word yet on any contact....... no media statements released.. no demands.. no rhetoric of oppression etc out to the media...doesn't sound too professional.... probably homegrown fools ...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by AiA on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:10am

Allah Akbar!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Is this a case of Muslim terrorism?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Answer the question.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:16am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Is this a case of Muslim terrorism?

I don't know.

Moreover, the religion of the perpetrators is not of any real concern to me.

It's the hostages that I'm worried about (and I don't know their religion either - should I?).

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:17am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

And was the black flag bought with Centrelink money or from wages?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:17am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

And was the black flag bought with Centrelink money or from wages?

gst free on the net...lol. has any IMAM come out I havent seen one.. sometimes they can talk people round cant they???? :o.. well sort of...it would be nice if they too were putting their lives on the line other than our police force. and of course the hostages..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

I hope so. Because the alternative is those young idiots decide they're f*ed anyway and a bloodbath ensues. If it does come to that, I hope it's only their swine blood that gets spilled.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

lets hope so.. I am sure the poor buggers in there would also hope so...trouble is I doubt it...they went in for a reason it wasnt coffee..

do they have bombs.. whos knows???...they must be part crazy as there is no escape.. unless.... they do have bombs.... :'(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:26am

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

gst free on the net...lol. has any IMAM come out I havent seen one.. sometimes they can talk people round cant they???? Shocked.. well sort of...it would be nice if they too were putting their lives on the line other than our police force. and of course the hostages..

Hey, that's a good idea. In an earlier post, someone said the muslim community leaders were holding an emergency web conference to see if they could help. Maybe a calmer head can help these kids work out the right thing to do.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:26am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

Islamically motivated.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:27am

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

they went in for a reason it wasnt coffee.

They've been in there two and half hours now. You'd think if their reason was to kill people they would have done it by now.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:28am

oh wait, ABC tweet just came in - man arrested and people exiting the building.

Looks like its all over.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:32am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

oh wait, ABC tweet just came in - man arrested and people exiting the building.

Looks like its all over.

Nah. Schmedia. Arrest not connected according to ABC TV.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:34am

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

Nice, but I hope this does educate the public a little more clearly as to the inadvisability of inviting people of an antithetical religious view to come colonise our Australian homeland.

If this incident serves to harden the resolve of those opposed to Muslim immigration, then at least it will have served some good purpose.

I'm waiting to hear what Leftwing media, pet Muslim Waleed Aly is going to tell us about this, and if he will mention the 'I' word and the 'M' word during his lecturing us on how this is all our fault.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:34am

I see - follow up tweet: man arrested 200m from the cafe - relation to the siege "unconfirmed".

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by HooYAY its FriYAY on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:34am

Let's hope these people get out unharmed.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by tickleandrose on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:37am

Hopefully, there is no bomb. If there is, then, he may be just waiting for all the media to set up shops, and then..... Which is why he is not talking to negotiators, because there is nothing to negotiate.

:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:45am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

wow... you really don't give a crap about anyone at any time, do you.

Im sticking with the sociopath diagnosis.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:45am

You mean the media haven't set up shops by now? :-?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

He's balding and middle aged, from what I saw.

I'm guessing mentally ill and acting alone. It just looks weird. He looks agitated, he has the wrong flag and his backpack looks ridiculous for some reason.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:51am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

Well, that's no good. Please, someone drill this fool with some hot lead. Where's ole Lionel when you need him?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

I hope so, Greg.... for the sake of all concerned...

Probably having serious second thoughts about now... the longer it goes on the more likely they are to change their minds....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:03pm

An expert on ABC Radio says this is not a classic Islamic terrorist attack lacking two features:

(a) Direct notification by the attacker to the media, notifying them of who they are and what they want.

(b) Immediate violence.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:16pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

Ah, you clearly haven't been listening to Brian et al. There's no such this as "classical" islamic terror, because:
1. Muslims don't agree what they believe,
2. Nobody's been hurt,
3. It's the West's fault anyway.

Forgiven,

Namaste.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:21pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

So the head hacking with foreign journalists in the Islamic state was not classical Islamic terror according to your leftist source?

Did they notify the media and wait some time before chopping heads off those journalists/aid workers?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

oh wait, ABC tweet just came in - man arrested and people exiting the building.

Looks like its all over.

Got a link for that? 8-)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

classic Islamic terrorist attack -v- classic Islamic terror. Not the same thing, fella.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

Just spotted a piccie of him - beard partly grey... could be a nutter.... reports are that he's armed.. no specifics.... the backpack could hold everything or nothing.....

Showed himself at a window.. only reasons he didn't eat a 7.62 would be they were not set up or authorities consider the possibility of a 'dead man's switch' on a bomb in the backpack...

Some reports of sounds like shots.... not confirmed... ROE for snipers would be only on order or in a clear life and death situation for an innocent...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

oh wait, ABC tweet just came in - man arrested and people exiting the building.

Looks like its all over.

Got a link for that? 8-)

From ABC tweet (as stated) - and I was wrong, its not all over. The arrest was apparently something unrelated.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:27pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/a-man-is-holding-several-people-hostage-at-martin-place-cafe/story-fni0xqrb-1227156241649?sv=5afd5b2360e4d5c76efaa7cf14dc34e4&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=124479239

Reports vary between one man or two..... looks like one lone nutter.... no word on what the 'armed' means... no weapons identified..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Mechanic on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:28pm

Make sure you thank the Labor/Greens coalition for this mess and those that vote for them and support their policies of bringing Terrorists to Australia..

after they shoot this one down we only have another 50,000 of the bastards that the Labor/Greens coalition let in because they dismantled our boarder protection...

and I read on this forum not so long ago that this sort of thing wouldn't happen in Australia..

some smug butthole if I recall correctly.. "can you smell the fear"

well ask those people in that café if they are fearful or not..

its a pity that it wasn't YOU...

you all know who im talking about..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:32pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Showed himself at a window.. only reasons he didn't eat a 7.62 would be they were not set up or authorities consider the possibility of a 'dead man's switch' on a bomb in the backpack...

Some reports of sounds like shots.... not confirmed... ROE for snipers would be only on order or in a clear life and death situation for an innocent...

Thanks for the insight, G. And I guess the same thing goes for tear gas, flashbangs and the like?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:33pm

Puh-lease. Australia, in its open-hearted way, has been taking in Muslims for decades.... I don't think this is the time for petty political bickering over who's responsible.. and there has never been any open border policy.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:35pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Thanks for the insight, G. And I guess the same thing goes for tear gas, flashbangs and the like?

If there is a 'dead man's switch' it would go off when the switch was released for any reason.... often done with body bombs so as to ensure that the martyr doesn't chicken out and hand over the bomb.... or has the switch grabbed out of hand....

I take it this is not The Chasers?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Mechanic on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:35pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

if you've lost control of our boarders because you dismantled them then you have an open boarder policy...

the Labor/Green coalition did that and they still support it... as do the moronic dropkicks that vote for them..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by perceptions_now on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

they went in for a reason it wasnt coffee.

They've been in there two and half hours now. You'd think if their reason was to kill people they would have done it by now.

Not necessarily?

If the intention is to get some " free TV time" and to "influence people", then it may be the longer it gets dragged out, the better.

Also, the longer it takes, "the greater the Economic cost", with the Sydney CBD operating well below "normal".

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

Tony.. ahhh.. said the .. err.. usual things expected......

Why doesn't everyone in that area just go home? Get out of the way... amazing to watch crowds walking past on Macca Street and checking things out....

One trick of a genuine terrorist incident is to draw crowds to a 'minor' incident and then adios, muchachas.... or have evacuations to designated points..... same thing....

If evacuated from a building - use the alternative site for assembly....

Send the fools home... FSS

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:43pm

Lots of info earlier for the student of CT on the direct effects of the media... and the need oft-times to not have open viewing of things....

Might be a book or a screenplay here.. Dog Day Morning.......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

;D ;D ;D
this from the same guy who is opposed to the death penalty !! ....

wasn't this one of your old quotes longstupidone?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

a true rightie believes in justice, freedom, compassion, human rights and due process. lefties however define justice as murdering their opponents, freedom as the right to do as they say, human rights as non-existence and due process as the trip to the gallows and no more.

your posts on MH17 pretty much prove at least some of the above.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:51pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

I don't think this is the time for petty political bickering over who's responsible

Well now that you mention it - Joe Hockey is due to give his disastrous MYEFO update today...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

I don't think this is the time for petty political bickering over who's responsible

Well now that you mention it - Joe Hockey is due to give his disastrous MYEFO update today...

Oh, well - in that case I'm happy to rip Joey and Mattie...... not in the same arena....

Joe and Mattie are heroically going to go ahead and not allow this unseemly incident to stop their public utterances of using the budget as a shock absorber in the current contracting worldwide markets for raw resources..... some pundits are saying this means no extra cuts..... I think I'll wait for the fine print.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:04pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

;D ;D ;D
this from the same guy who is opposed to the death penalty !! ....

wasn't this one of your old quotes longstupidone?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

He laughed it off as a "knee-jerk reaction".

It's all to do with "literary devices and context", so he says.

I'll let others be the judge.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

;D ;D ;D
this from the same guy who is opposed to the death penalty !! ....

wasn't this one of your old quotes longstupidone?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

He laughed it off as a "knee-jerk reaction".

It's all to do with "literary devices and context", so he says.

I'll let others be the judge.

literary devices and context? yesterday he was claiming it was satire .... :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

literary devices and context? yesterday he was claiming it was satire .... :D :D :D

He's a complicated character.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418600402/14#14

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

islam, guns, terrorism.

raze every mosque to the ground.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:09pm

.. job 'creation' running at 15000 a month!! (says Joe)

it's all the senate's fault.. and the previous government's... and the budget is online for a suprplus.. 2015 will be a better year. lower energy prices.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:10pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

raze every mosque to the ground.

That sounds like an act of terrorism to me.

Do we have a potential terrorist in our midst?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Soren on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muhammadun rasūlu-llāh

Lindt

Merry Christmas

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Sydney siege: US president Barack Obama briefed on Martin Place hostage situation, White House says

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

raze every mosque to the ground.

That sounds like an act of terrorism to me.

Do we have a potential terrorist in our midst?

commonsense

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:30pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

raze every mosque to the ground.

That sounds like an act of terrorism to me.

Do we have a potential terrorist in our midst?

commonsense

Racial vilification under Section 18(c) I think. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

;D

I was just thinking (no, hold the applause) about how dreadfully ironic it would be if this bloke was actually trying to curry support for the anti-islam brigade by pretending to be a terrorist. I believe this sort of thing is called a "false-flag" op.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:32pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Racial vilification

Oh no, let's not get into the whole Islam-is-a-religion-not-a-race discussion again, shall we?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:35pm

How is a single Muslim hostage taker going to do his prayers?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

How is a single Muslim hostage taker going to do his prayers?

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

How is a single Muslim hostage taker going to do his prayers?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Racial vilification

Oh no, let's not get into the whole Islam-is-a-religion-not-a-race discussion again, shall we?

It's covered under the Racial Discrimination Act. I agree it isn't a race, any more than Judaism but the they threw religion and race in all together under the one act, so thats the title used.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Is hostage taking one of those circumstances?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

islam, guns, terrorism.

raze every mosque to the ground.

clearly it is the coffee shops we need to get rid of.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Lets not get started on conspiracies, please! Bobby and Light will be here telling us how they never landed anyone one the Moon! ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

How is a single Muslim hostage taker going to do his prayers?

By Tapping his head on the ground with his ass in the air while facing Mecca.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Is hostage taking one of those circumstances?

Not sure - its something he'll have to negotiate with The Almighty when he faces him (which may not be too long).

In any case, he still has until around 4:30pm even without combining.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Is hostage taking one of those circumstances?

Not sure - its something he'll have to negotiate with The Almighty when he faces him (which may not be too long).

In any case, he still has until around 4:30pm even without combining.

Does the koran offer any guidance as to what constitutes special circumstances? Or does one have to turn to the imams for that?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

raze every mosque to the ground.

That sounds like an act of terrorism to me.

Do we have a potential terrorist in our midst?

commonsense

You're even talking like a terrorist now.

Terrorists want to blow up buildings, and have no concern for innocent people who may be killed. According to them, it's just a commonsense thing.

Sprint wants to blow up buildings, and has no concern for innocent people who may be killed. According to Sprint, it's just common sense.

Not even the same!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

How is a single Muslim hostage taker going to do his prayers?

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

He'll be tired by then..... they'll wait him out....

Plenty of coffee available....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm

.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

I was pretty clear.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

Have you ever seen those westerns they made in Hollywood in the 30-50s, the mob is all hysterical about something and eventually there's this guy at the front clearly missing most of his marbles who screams "HANG HIM!". Yep you guessed it. That was Longy.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

;D ;D ;D
this from the same guy who is opposed to the death penalty !! ....

wasn't this one of your old quotes longstupidone?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

He laughed it off as a "knee-jerk reaction".

It's all to do with "literary devices and context", so he says.

I'll let others be the judge.

literary devices and context? yesterday he was claiming it was satire .... :D :D :D

imagine what an education and an ability and desire to read books could do to you!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Honky on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:06pm

Well I for one am very unsettled and frightened that some people are realising that those swarthy middle eastern imports aren't really the loving, cuddly teddy bears some claim them to be.

That's far more dangerous than lunatics waving guns around.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:06pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

I'm with you Annie, mental health issues is my guess. That will disappoint herb who we can expect to come out scream; "Yeah but he's a mentally ill MUSLIM person isn't he". And Longy of course would hang him anyway.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

'false-flag' is the kind of thing conspiracy theorists and their mentally ill friends claim all the time.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

It's his flag, is it?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

Being delusional is considered a mental illness, we could say being delusional is common with muslims who believe Mo was a profit from god.

So a flag that says- "There is no god but god and Muhammad was his messenger" is the wrong flag for what?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by species 8472 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

It's his flag, is it?

They keep one in the shop incase a Muslim terrorist wants to put the place in lockdown and forgot to bring his own.

Idiot.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:17pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Is hostage taking one of those circumstances?

Not sure - its something he'll have to negotiate with The Almighty when he faces him (which may not be too long).

In any case, he still has until around 4:30pm even without combining.

Does the koran offer any guidance as to what constitutes special circumstances? Or does one have to turn to the imams for that?

Its discretionary - based on common sense.

You do your best to do all your prayers, but within reason.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:18pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpXKBNKGmrI

12/14/2014 -- Hostages and gunmen below Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) HQ + Law Court Building

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:20pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

It's his flag, is it?

They keep one in the shop incase a Muslim terrorist wants to put the place in lockdown and forgot to bring his own.

Do they?

Where are you getting this information from?

All I've heard is that a gunman has hostages, and that a flag was held up in the window.

Please reveal your source so that we can all keep up to date with this story.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by species 8472 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:20pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

I was pretty clear.

Some bloke is possibly holding as many as 40 people hostage with a real possibility that their lives are in serious danger. He has caused the biggest city in the country to come to a standstill and left millions of people worried. But to you, the response to this is worse then the act itself.

Would you like to elaborate on what "response" exactly has you so concerned that it is worse than what this insane bastard has done so far?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:21pm

Dare I ask where are you going with this light?

Is the gunmen really the governor of the RBA?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:21pm

....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpXKBNKGmrI

12/14/2014 -- Hostages and gunmen below Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) HQ + Law Court Building

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

There's one vital fact we're all missing and I reckon this is the vital clue of what lies at the bottom of all this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kobdb37Cwc

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Is hostage taking one of those circumstances?

Not sure - its something he'll have to negotiate with The Almighty when he faces him (which may not be too long).

In any case, he still has until around 4:30pm even without combining.

Does the koran offer any guidance as to what constitutes special circumstances? Or does one have to turn to the imams for that?

Its discretionary - based on common sense.

You do your best to do all your prayers, but within reason.

If he missed morning prayer Satan will urinate in his ear.

sunnah.com/bukhari/19/25

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

taken 50 people hostage on a Monday Morning in Sydney........is nothing to concern anyone I guess you mean...or at least... carry on business as usual its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group...unless they should ignore the FLAG which is very prominent as well..??

if they have BOMBS attached as well as guns...

is this still an overreaction?????

I am just asking....about your reaction thats all.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

... its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group...

Where are you people getting all this information from?

I've been checking the ABC.

Should I be listening to Kochie instead?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:28pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

I was pretty clear.

latest news says 50... and lets hope there is nothing to concern us with! ::) ::)

it must be over reaction as now they are making jokes about it.. ::) ::)

once again this reaction kind of sux to me.

I wonder what the families of those hostages would do if they could meet someone called spartacus 2. I guess they could all sit down and have a bloody good laugh together. >:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

;D ;D ;D
this from the same guy who is opposed to the death penalty !! ....

wasn't this one of your old quotes longstupidone?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

He laughed it off as a "knee-jerk reaction".

It's all to do with "literary devices and context", so he says.

I'll let others be the judge.

literary devices and context? yesterday he was claiming it was satire .... :D :D :D

imagine what an education and an ability and desire to read books could do to you!

and imagine just how much more credible you'd be if you didn't contradict yourself every time you opened your mouth ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

I'm astounded. Jumping to conclusions is such unusual behavior for you, Cods. Where did you get the number 50 from? Or that I wasn't concerned about it? Or that this man s associated with any kind of group. Perhaps you should contact the police - you obviously have a lot more information than anyone else.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:32pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

better he call on believers of Islam to raid the coffee shop? what do you expect them to say?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

... its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group...

Where are you people getting all this information from?

I've been checking the ABC.

Should I be listening to Kochie instead?

well if he was flying the Eureka Flag....or maybe the flag of India...or wait for it.. the ALP flag..

my association one would think they were trying to get a message across....

maybe to not to the likes of you of course...

being thick they probably dont do thick.. ::) ::) ::)

some of draw conclusions.. we dont need the ABC to verify if its time for us to go to bed...

get a life mate.. you are missing a few clues..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:35pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

I was pretty clear.

Read the comment threads on the news story of your choice.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:36pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

all of the problem is coming from islam
islam can't control itself.

burn down the biggest mosque

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group

is this still an overreaction?????

No, the overreaction is claiming he is in some way associted with any terrorist group ...

how do you know? Was it the Arab writing ? :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the [highlight]response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

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taken 50 people hostage on a Monday Morning in Sydney........is nothing to concern anyone I guess you mean...or at least... carry on business as usual its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group...unless they should ignore the FLAG which is very prominent as well..??

if they have BOMBS attached as well as guns...

is this still an overreaction?????

I am just asking....about your reaction thats all.

on the 3o/c news.. ring them up I am sure they wil be glad to advise if they got it wrong just for you...

you seem to do your best to advoid the question always turning it nasty.;l.\\
theres good old me being as polite as I could be,..

WHY ARE YOU MORE UNSETTLED ABOUT THE
RESPONSE...........THAN THE INCIDENT INVOLVING HOSTAGES..

WHETHER ITS 1 HOSTAGE OR 50... DOES THAT REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

I was pretty clear.

Read the comment threads on the news story of your choice.

SO 40 ISNT AS BAD AS 50 ....

STOP WORRYING EVERYONE...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme prejudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

Crawl back into your hole Ian, you've been watching too many cool talking macho movies ( a particular problem with X coppers believe me)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

better he call on believers of Islam to raid the coffee shop? what do you expect them to say?

"we condemn our filthy pedo-prophet"

Something along those lines.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the [highlight]response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

I've explained why. See my earlier comment - I am not going to be repeating myself because of your trouble with comprehension.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group

is this still an overreaction?????

No, the overreaction is claiming he is in some way associted with any terrorist group ...

how do you know? Was it the Arab writing ? :D :D :D :D

a lucky quess.. I am sure the flag has some meaning otherwise why would it be draped over the window....

its ok not everyone can do that... ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme prejudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

Crawl back into your hole Ian, you've been watching too many cool talking macho movies ( a particular problem with X coppers believe me)

I actually dont know how people find the time to watch movies and if I did I would watch comedies..Like this forum.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

Lets hope they show the head shot.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

it wont get that far anthrax has already said...

you are all completely over reacting..

it could be a movie in the making...

or they may have thought the cafe was a bank..

goodness me I am sure if everyone went about their normal day they would get bored and let everyone enjoy their coffee..geeeeees..

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by species 8472 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Do elaborate.

I was pretty clear.

Read the comment threads on the news story of your choice.

Oh right. I see now. Words on the internet in response to some lune holding dozens of hostages whilst displaying a flag used by Muslim extremist, is far more frightening than some lune holding dozens of hostages whilst displaying a flag used by Muslim extremist.

I hope there isn't too many peaceful Muslims reading these bad words on the internet. We wouldn't want anyone to get their feelings hurt...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:46pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

its only a gunman with close association with a terrorist group

is this still an overreaction?????

No, the overreaction is claiming he is in some way associted with any terrorist group ...

how do you know? Was it the Arab writing ? :D :D :D :D

a lucky quess.. I am sure the flag has some meaning otherwise why would it be draped over the window....

its ok not everyone can do that... ;D ;D

what flag is that Cods? Isis? Irans? Iraq's? Taliban? which group?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

I didn't say they were doing anything. I said you were jumping to conclusions without any facts at all and what a change that was from your usual behavior. Even the experts are wary of doing that, but not you - you know everything.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

3 people apparently just exited through the fire door of the cafe...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

it wont get that far anthrax has already said...

did she? I must have missed that ... can you show me where she said that please?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

all of the problem is coming from islam
islam can't control itself.

burn down the biggest mosque

You violent pig. If anyone's the problem here its your fanaticism and your violent christian religion

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:50pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBkRL-Nh4_Y

Australian hostages at LOCATION OF A TERRORISM DRILL 1 year ago

Published on Dec 14, 2014
The ongoing Sydney "Lindt Chocolate Cafe" hostage terrorism event.... which is happening at the base of the Reserve Bank of Australia Headquarters.... (thanks to Lissa Weckert for sharing!)

HAD A FULL TERRORISM DRILL AT THE SAME LOCATION 1 YEAR AGO. May 1, 2013. (sorry for the all caps but it really needs emphasis).

Well, now we know what the verdict is on "staged" vs. "real":

http://www.news.com.au/national/austr...

"STUNNED onlookers couldn’t believe their eyes as an army counter terrorism operation in Martin Place unfolded before them in the early hours of the morning.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:51pm

Why would you even dignify Sprint's posts with a response?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:51pm

http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-counter-terrorism-operation-halts-sydney-cbd/story-e6frfkp9-1226633535675

Australian Defence Force counter terrorism operation halts Sydney CBD
1 YEAR AGO MAY 02, 2013 6:15AM

Soldiers get on with the anti-terrorism exercise at Martin Place. Picture: Bill Hearne Source: The Daily Telegraph
STUNNED onlookers couldn’t believe their eyes as an army counter terrorism operation in Martin Place unfolded before them in the early hours of the morning.
At 1am, with the Daily Telegraph present, a convoy of dark Toyota 4WDs, with their spotlights blazing, sped down Macquarie St and burst onto Martin Place to unload a team of highly specialised Australian Defence Force counter terrorism soldiers.
With rifles drawn, faces covered in balaclavas and gas masks, and night vision goggles perched on their helmets, about 50 camouflaged soldiers fanned out through Martin Place in near-perfect silence in search of mock terrorists that had overtaken the underground Martin Place train station.
As police officers and an ambulance watched on, soldiers headed for the atrium at the centre of the pedestrian mall beside the old Commonwealth Bank building and hauled their tactical equipment over a glass barrier and descended the steps to the MLC food court.
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Other soldiers kept guard at checkpoints around the iconic Sydney business precinct, securing the area as onlookers walking by and waiting at bus stops pulled out their phones to capture the surreal operation happening in front of them.
Realising the food court wasn't the entrance to the station, soldiers backtracked to a corridor next to Martin Place Bar where they apprehended the first of the fictitious masked terrorists.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

I've explained why. See my earlier comment - I am not going to be repeating myself because of your trouble with comprehension.

like this you mean!!

Some bloke is possibly holding as many as 40 people hostage with a real possibility that their lives are in serious danger. He has caused the biggest city in the country to come to a standstill and left millions of people worried. But to you, the response to this is worse then the act itself.

Would you like to elaborate on what "response" exactly has you so concerned that it is worse than what this insane bastard has done so far?

Quote:

Read the comment threads on the news story of your choice.

by AA..

thats a response when your not having a response...

never mind when it comes to comprehension... yeah your right I do have trouble with you...I dont do rude if I can avoid it...and its impossible to avoid it [rude] with some on here. >:( >:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

can all the hysterical old women (and I mean that both literally and figuratively) please go have a cup of tea or Vodka and settle down ... I'm afraid the shock is getting to you all ....

as far as anyone knows, so far it's just a hostage situation, and not a declaration of war :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.

Is this where we discover yet again that Aussie has not the slightest interest int eh welfare of the hostages or any real understand of why anyone else does?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:53pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

all of the problem is coming from islam
islam can't control itself.

burn down the biggest mosque

You violent pig. If anyone's the problem here its your fanaticism and your violent christian religion

you are dead right... bring out the head loppers..that is a much more refined way of doing it.... burning down is so passe... :(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

all of the problem is coming from islam
islam can't control itself.

burn down the biggest mosque

Sprint, once again, inciting acts of terrorism in a public internet forum.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

like I know more than you at any rate..

did you find out about the 50....or is it 40 or maby 13.. maybe none at all..

come on you are the one that is concerned...not me I believe what I am told by the people at the coal face..and thats usually what I talk about...without insulting people if I can..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

this isn't some terrorist, he's a lunatic that took hostages . I suspect he was heading towards NSW parliament (down the road a little) when he was startled and took the cafe instead.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Grand Mufti of Australia:

"we condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part aind in whole in Islam"

wow thems strong words alright.

all of the problem is coming from islam
islam can't control itself.

burn down the biggest mosque

Sprint, once again, inciting acts of terrorism in a public internet forum.

I don't think it really means anything. its a nutter who will end up surrendering very soon or meeting Allah even sooner.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

like I know more than you at any rate..

You said he has a "close association with a terrorist group".

That's more than anyone knows at this stage.

Please reveal your source.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

Just FYI to light - I am deleting your duplicate posts.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

go away troll ....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

thats right.. sunshine

we can guess you havent got anyone in the cafe???>. now I wonder what makes me think a thing like that?....

it could be a school next week I promise not to take the slightest interest...wouldnt want to upset any of our close muslim friends would I.

btw I think thats the first time I have said muslim.....nah nah it couldnt be to get all these socks out of the draw.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

We don't know if they were freed or escaped yet.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Nahhhhh, it's interesting looking at the posts. Keep posting everyone. 8-)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

removed

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

this isn't some terrorist, he's a lunatic that took hostages . I suspect he was heading towards NSW parliament (down the road a little) when he was startled and took the cafe instead.

Indeed.

We don't actually know if it's a terrorist act yet (i.e linked to a known terrorist organisation).

"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

go away troll ....

oh my the pet sock is really having a tanny isnt he.. :P :P :P :P.. sucking up to annie is a good thing I reckon.. ;) ;) ;).. she wont ban you if you keep this crawling up....cringe cringe

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by life_goes_on on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm

Quote:

it could be a school next week I promise not to take the slightest interest...

I don't think too many would take much interest.
It's school holidays.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

We don't know if they were freed or escaped yet.

sh annie is never wrong.. only everyone else.. :P

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

go away troll ....

oh my the pet sock is really having a tanny isnt he.. :P :P :P :P.. sucking up to annie is a good thing I reckon.. ;) ;) ;).. she wont ban you if you keep this crawling up....cringe cringe

sucking up to Annie? no cods, I'm just trying to read a thread on a serious subject only to find that you're on another of your 'have a go at Annie' missions.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

We don't know if they were freed or escaped yet.

That's a point.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Quote:

it could be a school next week I promise not to take the slightest interest...

I don't think too many would take much interest.
It's school holidays.

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

That's a point

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

you claimed he was associated with terrorists didn't you? that's an example of you 'making up facts'

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

Yes indeed lets all over react and act hysterical like cods so we can make a big show about what deeply feeling people we are for our fellow man (except for refugees of course - they're not our fellow man)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

go away troll ....

oh my the pet sock is really having a tanny isnt he.. :P :P :P :P.. sucking up to annie is a good thing I reckon.. ;) ;) ;).. she wont ban you if you keep this crawling up....cringe cringe

sucking up to Annie? no cods, I'm just trying to read a thread on a serious subject only to find that you're on another of your 'have a go at Annie' missions.

no sock baby its annie having a go at cods.. do your homework if you are going to get on boardl..

I asked a civil question and when she couldnt answer thats when the worm turned..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Quote:

it could be a school next week I promise not to take the slightest interest...

I don't think too many would take much interest.
It's school holidays.

lol.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by athos on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:07pm

Staff and customers hold up what is believed to be a jihadist flag up against the window of the Lindt cafe.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

Police have just confirmed there are more than 30 in the café.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

you claimed he was associated with terrorists didn't you? that's an example of you 'making up facts'

a "claim" am I doing a james bond on here.. news to me.. it was a comment on a situation.. are you CLAIMING they are not associated with terrorists??..

perhaps you know what this is all about then...

you folks being expurts and everything..

you can shut up now I am going for my cup of tea you have brought this thread down to its usual level of messenger abuse.... its all about john smith he like the attention..he doesnt get any at home..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

"What's in his pocketeses, my precious?" ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:12pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

you claimed he was associated with terrorists didn't you? that's an example of you 'making up facts'

a "claim" am I doing a james bond on here.. news to me.. it was a comment on a situation.. are you CLAIMING they are not associated with terrorists??..

You said he has a "close association with a terrorist group".

How do you know that?

Where are you getting your information from?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Black Orchid on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:14pm

I was there for some chocolate molten lava cake just a few weeks ago. Glad I didn't decide to go into the city today.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:14pm

~~making brews~~... sorry.. breaking news....

several people have been released or have escaped.... people are leaving the CBD and going home quietly... though there are still people around the area....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:20pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

you claimed he was associated with terrorists didn't you? that's an example of you 'making up facts'

yes, a claim ... if you don't know the meaning of the word, google it.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:22pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Quote:

it could be a school next week I promise not to take the slightest interest...

I don't think too many would take much interest.
It's school holidays.

lol.

i said the "next one" hehehehe

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:27pm

Some good advice, what a shame some here seem to have forgotten it. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

you claimed he was associated with terrorists didn't you? that's an example of you 'making up facts'

a "claim" am I doing a james bond on here.. news to me.. it was a comment on a situation.. are you CLAIMING they are not associated with terrorists??..

You said he has a "close association with a terrorist group".

How do you know that?

Where are you getting your information from?

I had a dream... it was a beautiful dream.. all about a man with a beard,.,,

wait a minute thats santa.. was it him

was he waving a Turkish flag...I think he was..

it was it was Santa.. I knew it..

that bloody flag gives them away every time...

a lucky guess....but dont get hysterical gweg it will give you a head ache and bore everyone else to death..run along and play with what ever it is that makes you feel better..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:31pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Police have just confirmed there are more than 30 in the café.

Really? Just saw this tweet from ABC:

Quote:

NSW Police spokeswoman refutes speculation that there rae 30-40 hostages: "We don't know for a clear fact, but it is not as high as 30."

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:31pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme predjudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

they'll try to talk him out, they've got time, no need to rush, that'll just end up with innocent people dead ... if talking doesn't work then they'll use the snipers.

if his object is to display one of these head chopping stunts which is a strong bet he needs to be stopped asap.

if he was simply wanting to chop of heads, he would have done so already.

Right. And the fact that he's let some hostages go shows he's willing to negotiate and that he wants something.

Nah, the symbolism could be completed with one hostage could it not?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:31pm

Is this siege real or is it a stunt? Where is Wally Mellish?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:33pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

is this you pretending to care? By making up 'facts'? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hummmmmmm making up facts... hilarious.

you claimed he was associated with terrorists didn't you? that's an example of you 'making up facts'

a "claim" am I doing a james bond on here.. news to me.. it was a comment on a situation.. are you CLAIMING they are not associated with terrorists??..

You said he has a "close association with a terrorist group".

How do you know that?

Where are you getting your information from?

Ahhh yes, when backed into a corner just type a few lines of babble and hope against hope that some will think you're making sense.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:34pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Some good advice, what a shame some here seem to have forgotten it. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Any danger of you answering this?

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Which post are you referring to?

Which culprits and which post?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:36pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:34pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Some good advice, what a shame some here seem to have forgotten it. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Any danger of you answering this?

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Which post are you referring to?

Which culprits and which post?

Datalife is a well known muslim hate propagator.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:38pm

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Snipers on the roofs, they need to take this guy out, with extreme prejudice as soon as they get a head shot chance.

Crawl back into your hole Ian, you've been watching too many cool talking macho movies ( a particular problem with X coppers believe me)

I actually dont know how people find the time to watch movies and if I did I would watch comedies..Like this forum.

Yes with your hectic schedule I'm surprised I see you so often on this forum. Oh, did you hear that. I think its your phone. Must be Obama.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by species 8472 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

lol here is the co intel pro dejure ..

this is a clear inside job

drills were conducted 1 year ago

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

Awful, isn't it? Well done on not being a hypocrite.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

Is this a movie action scene (too much inaction) or a police training event.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

a lucky guess....

Lucky?

Has it been confirmed that he has a "close association with a terrorist group".

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by species 8472 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

lol here is the co intel pro dejure ..

this is a clear inside job

drills were conducted 1 year ago

namaste

Innocent people die in terror attacks all the time. Unfortunately, human garbage like you continues to breath.

But this should come as no surprise. No sucide bomber is going to walk into your mother's basement to blow it up. Nor is there any chance of you ever leaving her basement, seeing the real world, and realising that shlt like this does happen.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:55pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Is this siege real or is it a stunt? Where is Wally Mellish?

many blessings yet as it happens

this scenario was played out 1 year ago ..

http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-counter-terrorism-operation-halts-sydney-cbd/story-e6frfkp9-1226633535675

who would have thunk such a thing ?

one may wonder

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:57pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

lol here is the co intel pro dejure ..

this is a clear inside job

drills were conducted 1 year ago

namaste

many blessings

you seem upset

this may be on account of your limp wrist

so be it , the facts remain .. inside job

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

have a guess where the inside job is going on ????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpXKBNKGmrI

12/14/2014 -- Hostages and gunmen below Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) HQ + Law Court Building

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

I wonder if anyone bothered to ask the three people that left the cafe, how many were still in there, some reports say 40, others say three .....or maybe they haven't been offered enough for their story.....come on ACA and TT ....where's Mike Willessee when you need him?

I hope the hostages get out safely and get big bucks for their story to help get them through the coming recession that Joe is trying to mask.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:03pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

I'm sure Kochie's on the case.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:13pm

Maybe the perpetrator is a chocaholic who will come out when the chocolates have been consumed.

The siege will end when the media and entertainment agents have all the contracts signed.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:15pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

have a guess where the inside job is going on ????

12/14/2014 -- Hostages and gunmen below Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) HQ + Law Court Building

Blessings Master Light.......this has all the hallmarks of the many, many false flag operations that have been carried out in the US since 9/11.

I'm a little concerned that a Jihadist (if that's what his label ends up being) who is probably not the smartest of folk, would pick the exact location as the practice scenario/operation of 2013.

Gotta think about it peoples, eyes wide open.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Maybe the perpetrator is a chocaholic who will come out when the chocolates have been consumed.

The siege will end when the media and entertainment agents have all the contracts signed.

And Kochie will have Lindt chocolates on his desk tomorrow morning, no doubt.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Maybe the perpetrator is a chocaholic who will come out when the chocolates have been consumed.

The siege will end when the media and entertainment agents have all the contracts signed.

And Kochie will have Lindt chocolates on his desk tomorrow morning, no doubt.

As every morning.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Mechanic on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

but they sure to like to fly the Shahada flag as often as they can along with other Islamic Terrorist groups..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:30pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

Try telling Longy and cods that.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:31pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Maybe the perpetrator is a chocaholic who will come out when the chocolates have been consumed.

The siege will end when the media and entertainment agents have all the contracts signed.

And Kochie will have Lindt chocolates on his desk tomorrow morning, no doubt.

As every morning.

True? Interesting.

I wonder if he'll do a live cross to the cafe tomorrow morning: sitting at a table chatting with the locals.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Mechanic on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

Try telling Longy and cods that.

it is also true that ISIS flags are hard to get so the Shahada flag is often used in its place..

now, considering he is armed holding hostages...

one could possibly link the two.. we'll have to wait and see..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:39pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

it is also true that ISIS flags are hard to get so the Shahada flag is often used in its place..

A true muslim ought to be able to paint up his own isis flag. I thought they taught that in the koran? What an amateur.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:39pm

.. might be thinking that he could open the flood gates and generate more copy-cats..... brave jihadist taking the first step.... others will follow

Just a thought...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:43pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:15pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

have a guess where the inside job is going on ????

12/14/2014 -- Hostages and gunmen below Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) HQ + Law Court Building

its not the same location. it is martin place, the site of about 300 targets and the centre of Sydney. Naturally you think it is a false flag operation. According to you every evil event in the world the fault of Obama and Abbott including events that occurred before their ascention to power and even before their births.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

Try telling Longy and cods that.

early reports said it was, you clown.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

Try telling Longy and cods that.

well I dont recall saying it was....as a matter of fact I am the first to admit I dont speak Arabic...I leave that for the forum expurts. on everything... ::) ::)

it just said to me that someone putting up a flag in a shop window and having hostages hold it up..must have been trying to send some kind of message..

of course I for one do not expect the expurts on here to tell us what exactly he was trying to get across......and heaven forbid anyone else try to fathom it out....god have mercy on all those that dare to make a comment....gweggy wil have a pink fit..

what did the flag represent then can anyone of the expurts advise us on that? or are you waiting until the ABC tells you???...or maybe the guardian.. ::) ::)

well its just a thought..maybe youse guys dont know.. are are hedging your bets...as they say..

so where did you get your information from gweggy that it isnt a ISIS flag???>...and has not a thing to do with it.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:47pm

The longer this goes the tireder that Muslim lone wolf is going to get. No one can keep their eyes open forever.

End game - that bastard will fall asleep, his adrenalin buzz will have evaporated by now. And following a charge of adrenalin, chronic fatigue follows.

As long that towel head doesn't blow anyone away, eventually he will fold.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

Try telling Longy and cods that.

early reports said it was, you clown.

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

GWEGGY WILL BE DEVASTATED....

he knows everything....he is never wong...are you gweggy,....????>..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

red baron wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:47pm:

is there only one gunman red?..it seems we are being told very little....some of those escaped hostages must have had some idea what this guy wants.....I cant help thinking he may have a bomb... as the way those people came out........ very fast...

are you allowed to say towel head... or is that just for someone like me... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by issuevoter on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

The ABC is stressing it was not an ISIS flag. I'll bet the hostages will be relieved to know that.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:00pm

This gets funnier and funnier every hour. Now he is demanding a phone call with Tony Abbott. Getting further instructions?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:00pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

as the way those people came out........ very fast...

You mean... almost as if there was a man with a gun behind them?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

is it or is it not muslims ?

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

It's not an ISIS flag.

true..

Try telling Longy and cods that.

early reports said it was, you clown.

many blessings yet yes

you werent to know that

you just blindly repeat propaganda .. and as such

you are exposed and forgiven

does this comfort you ?

im interested

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Soren on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:05pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

The ABC is stressing it was not an ISIS flag. I'll bet the hostages will be relieved to know that.

Yeah, great. It's not the ISIS flag, it's the plain old Islamic lag. Big diff.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv either, yeah?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:07pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

The ABC is stressing it was not an ISIS flag. I'll bet the hostages will be relieved to know that.

could not be less relevant to the situation. It is an Islamic flag. the particular flavour is largely unimportant.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:09pm

red baron wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:47pm:

Spot on, Red.... take two jelly beans...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

The ABC is stressing it was not an ISIS flag. I'll bet the hostages will be relieved to know that.

could not be less relevant to the situation. It is an Islamic flag. the particular flavour is largely unimportant.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

This gets funnier and funnier every hour. Now he is demanding a phone call with Tony Abbott. Getting further instructions?

you need some serious mental health help.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

its not the same location.

Google Earth says it is.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcrDo1X7AvM

Footage of Hostages Escaping from Sydney Siege at Martin Place Cafe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rh7u9IZOdA

Australian Troops Practiced Exact Cafe Scenario Less Than 6 Weeks Ago!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2811864/Welcome-warzone-Combat-troops-assault-gear-carry-anti-terror-drills-Brisbane-ahead-G20-summit.html#ixzz3LwQPrh6Z

This is not Syria, it's Brisbane... Combat troops in full assault gear carry out anti-terror drills in ahead of the G20 summit
Defence personnel conducted counter-terrorism exercises in Brisbane
Soldiers tested by staged terrorism and hostage situations ahead of G20
Drills carried out at the Queensland Fire and Emergency Services Academy
Police have planned a 24-hour special court to deal with mass arrests
Authorities also preparing for non-terror-related disruption from protesters
Queensland police to formally ban two individuals from attending the G20
By SARAH MICHAEL and NELSON GROOM FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA and AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 10:17 AEST, 29 October 2014 | UPDATED: 18:06 AEST, 29 October 2014
Australian Defence Force (ADF) personnel have conducted a series of counter-terrorism exercises in Brisbane in preparation for the G20 summit next month.
Soldiers were tested by staged terrorism and hostage situations using tactical equipment, simulated ammunition and hand-held pyrotechnics at the Queensland Fire and Emergency Services Academy on Tuesday.
Defence have worked closely with state and federal agencies for 18 months to prepare for the summit, ADF commander for the G20 commitment Major General Stuart Smith said at the academy following the drills.
Scroll down for video

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2811864/Welcome-warzone-Combat-troops-assault-gear-carry-anti-terror-drills-Brisbane-ahead-G20-summit.html#ixzz3LwQPrh6Z

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:23pm

red baron wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:47pm:

You're forgetting that he's in a shop full of sugar and caffeine.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:23pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

This gets funnier and funnier every hour. Now he is demanding a phone call with Tony Abbott. Getting further instructions?

Aaaaah!!!! I can see Tony being the great negotiator, the terrorist gets arrested overnight, no bloodshed and the plebs will vote for Tony, in the knowledge that he, and only he can save us from the great Jihadi threat......and we all lived happily ever after.

Actually, we might need a couple more terror sieges before voting day, just to make sure.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

In that case he'll have a bad case of the shakes...

Jittery Joe's Jihad....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

lol here is the co intel pro dejure ..

this is a clear inside job

drills were conducted 1 year ago

namaste

yeah especially if you run drills and prepare

its called a false flag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rh7u9IZOdA

where have you gone co intel pro ????

stick around your story is getting exposed en mass

this was predicted and is in accordance with

the divine plan

and so it is

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

its not the same location.

Google Earth says it is.

how many buildings offices and other locations are in Martin place??? 200? 400? the exercise was not conducted at the Lindt Café ergo NOT the same place.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Not an ISIS flag but an old ex cop mate of mine who lives in Bankstown heard two old muslim guys chatting in English at the shopping centre and they said it is a Jihadist flag.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

This gets funnier and funnier every hour. Now he is demanding a phone call with Tony Abbott. Getting further instructions?

Waiting for Armchair to come in with:-

"Tony Abbott Defuses Terror Situation in Martin Place - Takes Down Armed Terrorist!"

.. or some similar delusional comment....

He does it for a joke which raises serious questions in itself......

A phone call with Tony?

Down at the Siege Site:-

"Get me the monkey - this organ grinder in this coffee shop isn't working!"

"Er.. that's a coffee grinder, Ach-Med."

"OK - I still want the monkey! and no monkey business!"

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

in Brisbane you fool and it was the army not the police. as if practicing hostage rescue was somehow proof of a false flag.

you are such a fool.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:31pm

The Bastard! He's achieved his objective! The Opera House has cancelled tonight's performances...

Which is the greater act of terrorism - holding up a chololate coffee shop or some of those performances....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

in Brisbane you fool and it was the army not the police. as if practicing hostage rescue was somehow proof of a false flag.

you are such a fool.

many blessings weekender

you are advised once again

one such as I am is about to publicly expose you yet again

they are about to conduct act 4 .. the hostage extraction

fear not they have practised just recently as it happens

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:38pm

red baron wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Not an ISIS flag but an old ex cop mate of mine who lives in Bankstown heard two old muslim guys chatting in English at the shopping centre and they said it is a Jihadist flag.

it's a muslim stinking flag

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:39pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

in Brisbane you fool and it was the army not the police. as if practicing hostage rescue was somehow proof of a false flag.

you are such a fool.

of course they are going to do hostage extraction! are you that dense? (rhetorical question of course). Why do you think they practice these things? (answer: to run false flag ops as no hostage situation has ever been genuine)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:39pm

Can't be long now - Ach-Med must be getting weary......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:40pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcrDo1X7AvM

sloppy work the 3rd bloke runs straight past the trg ..

were your tax dollars spent on these clowns dressed up as police ?

incompetent yet forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:41pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

This gets funnier and funnier every hour. Now he is demanding a phone call with Tony Abbott. Getting further instructions?

Or better still: Lost Weak End 58 in moon suit rescues Sydney.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

....but the shopping went on, one report said that the CBD resembles a ghost town with businesses in shut down, but nick up to DJ's they're doors are still open.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

No - attention span....... too long of nothing happening makes them unwary.... I didn't mean cuddling like that..... more like taking your mind off the job to comfort some hysterical sheila who should be cheering that she's out.... any distraction can be dangerous.

Leave the comforting to those at the back, watch your front and keep your eye out for your mate who is in front of you.... in the hot seat.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

Grappler probably has a point, but I have no idea what the protocols are. I did laugh at the mid-morning ABC TV coverage when we saw two armed blokes, one kneeling and the other standing, and the bloke standing was totally unable to target his weapon even though he tried to seat it on his left arm held across his chest and left hand palmed against a wall next to his right shoulder......he held that for about 15 seconds and the two then swapped positions. We saw no more of them not long thereafter.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

I'm sure the NSW Police will incorporate some of the thinking raised here into their training... lessons will be learned.

Not sure if they have any ex-Army guys in their teams.... the training in the Army is intense in this kind of thing... police not as much so and they are not all clearly detailed to SPG or whatever, and are on call to it instead. (Red - you there?)

Might see some changes.... expensive though....

Oh - it's like sniper teams - the protocol (used to be) that fifteen minutes was as long as a shooter could maintain focus.... unless in action....

Attention cannot wander...... and distractions such as running women hostages must be ignored.... let those behind take care of them... the distraction could be deliberate....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:15pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

The Police sniper I saw had a Accuracy International rifle with a bipod at the front and a monopod in the rear of the stock.

They could sit there all day looking through their $4k Schmidt and Bender scope,the rear monopod is adjustable for tracking the targets with precision and ease.

The general duty cops probably lack the training and equipment of the police snipers.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Physically yes, Baron - it is the mental state of ennui that needs to be watched and training can't prevent that totally.. hence the need for changeover...

As an aside - I'd like to thank Wee Johnnie for his gun laws and the mayhem they caused in the general community by relentless jihads against gun owners and men generally (just in case, you know) ..... while leaving it open for any of criminal bent to obtain firearms more easily on the black market flooded with firearms...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:19pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

well thats true of course..but be honest have you taken a close look at the gear they wear.. if the women who is hysterical..grabbed hold of their gear wouldnt he look great throwing her at someone at the back whilst she is hanging on to him..

how about looking at this from where they are standing...
nothing is rehearsed no book can tell them how to act its all as it happens...lucky for us we are never in those situations....but I would hope people wouldnt nit pic

those women came out flying... who knows what they have been through...how would they know where to go if they werent helped..?..

in movies its always different isnt it..they know exactly where to go..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:23pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

I get more amusement from you aussie.. protocols..at a time like this,..

have you had the pleasure of standing for hours in full kit..not knowing if the guy inside has a bomb strapped to his chest....which might take him and you all the way to heaven??.. I am sure you havent...otherwise you would be more considerate of what you laugh at...

as for PROTOCOLS>. I am sure you can google them and find out just what is the protocol for a nutter in a cafe with a gun and a flag.. and heaps of hostages.. I bet its all there on wiki.. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:24pm

Be glad it's NOT the SAS (British), cods.... they don't make the mistake of assuming a hostage is not hostile.... and they are bundled up and hands and ankles secured with plastic ties....

IN any situation that is as fluid as this, everyone could be an enemy.... sorry 'bout that......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:25pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Those guys are not there to keep the cameras happy.. after the Iranian Embassy job 22 SAS were criticised for being rough with the hostages....

Would you prefer to be roughly handled or handed your head after a bomb blast or whatever?

The officers CANNOT assume that a hostage is actually a hostage and not some suicide bomber.... tough call... but that's the rules....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

does anyone know what the guy wants.. and if there is only one...someone mentioned bombs in and around SYdney.. probably our courts and govt buildings are targets......but what does he want????......it can only end up badly at this rate....those that have been released looked terribly traumatised...so what the rest are suffering we can only guess....

it must be getting to the stage where they are asking themselves.. how much longer can this guy hold out....I wonder if they have turned off the power and water??.. maybe not that would upset him even more...lets hope he likes chocolate.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

protocols..at a time like this

yes, police would have protocols for these sorts of events .... thats what they train for :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

It would be like the military where they need orders to shoot along with rules of engagement,it could be they cannot shoot until the guy starts shooting then they can take a shot if it is clear.

Not quite the same as a war zone for fatigue,i don't think we have a need for too many specialist snipers in the Police force.

Some of Howard''s laws were pretty good,keeping guns in a safe along with background checks for mental health and criminal record were good things.

The vast majority of drive by shootings and gun crimes in Sydney are done by middle eastern men using firearms that are illegal for law abiding firearm owners.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:31pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

oh rubbish... I have never seen them do that....

since when is a hostage taken prisoner...ye gods if that was the case.. anyone taken hostage in Britain would stay where they were...rather than deal with the so called... help.

I think you read too much grap...or is that your book your writing.??.. I am reading the Murder of Allison Baden-Clay...the police played a waiting game there as well...they can be very patient..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm

yes ... but when the anti-gun crusade devolved into setting in place any number of laws that permitted the state to CREATE criminals of ordinary citizens - the whole thing became dangerous to society and remains so.

Wee Johnnie and the implementers of such laws (small 'l' deliberate) have much to answer for - it's called reducing the populace under despotism...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

You are correct - you have never seen that.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:37pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

protocols..at a time like this

yes, police would have protocols for these sorts of events .... thats what they train for :D :D :D :D

right so if one is kneeling and one standing but cant get a fix with his rifle look up rule number 295 it says swap places and try again...

of course it does.. we all know coppers cant think fro themselves..all by the book... I wonder which book it is you and aussie read??>>....

and not forgetting all siege situations are always the same ..... ::) ::) must remember that..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:38pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

protocols..at a time like this

yes, police would have protocols for these sorts of events .... thats what they train for :D :D :D :D

what are you demented? you seriously think police don't have protocols on how to deal with hostage situations?

go have another bottle of gin why don't you, leave the hysterics for another time.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:40pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

No cods. I have no idea. But I watched, as everyone could, how that bloke was physically unable to hold his designated position. Grappler makes sense. People are unable to just stand/sit in one position without a fidget. In a fidget, a disaster could occur. Hence, Grappler makes the obvious comment that there needs to be regular rotation.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:45pm

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Why? So they all get a go at the kissing, yeah fair's fair.

The report I heard said there were 2 others with this guy before he entered Lindt.

I have heard reports of 2 bombs inside and another 2 in unknown locations.

Hostage situations rarely end well with muslims,the Beslan massacre shows what they can do.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm

My friend's husband had 3 police cars and a paddywagon watch him eat his lunch today in an Artarmon café because the frightened woman behind the counter called the police after he'd ordered. My friend is muscular and has a beard. And he's a Muslim. They drew quite a crowd. This guy is an upstanding member of the community.

What's happening in Martin Place is scary, but as of now, we don't know what's exactly going on. It's far better to be part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. There are consequences for preaching hatred and they usually fall on those who least deserve it. It's important to act like the society we want to live in.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:47pm

Here, cods.. try this:-

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/sas-operations/iranian-embassy/

"With all hostages secured, the reserve teams were brought in to assist in bringing them out. Troopers lined the central staircase as each hostage was roughly bundled down the stairs and out the rear doors to the back garden. Half way down the stairs, a terrorist was spotted amongst the hostages. He had a Russian assault grenade gripped tightly in his hand. Unable to open fire without risking hitting the hostages or other troopers, one SAS man clouted the terrorist with his MP5 stock. As soon as the man hit the floor at the base of the stairs, several SAS troopers opened fire, killing the man instantly.

Once outside, the hostages were all handcuffed and made to lay down. A quick head count revealed that there were too many hostages. The BBC sound man, Sim Harris identified another terrorist who was masquerading as a hostage. It's said that one SAS trooper separated the terrorist and led him back into the embassy, presumably to finish him off. Colleagues with cooler heads prevented him from doing so and the terrorist was properly arrested. Fowzi Nejad, the only surviving terrorist, was later sentenced to life imprisonment for his part in the siege. "

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:50pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

If this happened in some parts of the USA you could have 10-12 out of 30 hostages licensed for concealed carry with a pistol and carrying,if there is only 1 offender it would have been over hours ago.

Statistics show those licensed for concealed carry have far lower offending rates for crimes compared to those not licensed for concealed carry.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:51pm

Is this still going? Sydney coppers, what are they waiting for. Get in there and off this prick.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

True.... it's a question of whether or not a government trusts its own people .. which ipso facto means that if they do not, the people do not trust that government.... and with good reason....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:55pm

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Is this still going? Sydney coppers, what are they waiting for. Get in there and off this prick.

Heeey ! I'm the one advocating 'softly, softly, catchee tiger'.... violence is the last resort......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lionel Edriess on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

Well, that's no good. Please, someone drill this fool with some hot lead. Where's ole Lionel when you need him?

;D ;D ;D

Right here.

And I've only just started to listen to the biggest show since Cats.

And I'll tell ya somethin' for nothin':

If the media has been able to establish that this is a middle-aged guy with a black headscarf and backpack - his forehead is already in someone's sights. If someone had given the go, this guy would already be headless.

From the little I've gleaned, they don't know if he's acting alone - and a backpack is always a worry. It could possibly contain explosives and a 'dead man' switch.

He's got to tired eventually and, if he doesn't come out soon, I fear for the consequences.

One thing for sure, it'll do the Muslim cause no good at all. That flag says it all.

Whatever, he faces a shite-storm either way.

I feel, and fear, for the hostages.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Neferti on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:59pm

How many hostages are there now?

What will they charge this guy with? Costing thousands of public dollars and causing a nuisance?

Some old bugger making a scene?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:00pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

What's happening in Martin Place is scary, but as of now, we don't know what's exactly going on. It's far better to be part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. There are consequences for preaching hatred.

So what is the solution for these fundamental muslims?

Are the bearded nutjobs who preach Islam to the gullible part of the problem?

As Tarek Fatah pointed out imams should be charged with inciting hatred.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

How many hostages are there now?

What will they charge this guy with? Costing thousands of public dollars and causing a nuisance?

Some old bugger making a scene?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

Police say they don't know the exact number of hostages, but it's less than 30.. five have escaped or been released... not sure.

Charges? Deprivation of liberty, engaging in an act of terrorism.. I say 25 to life.... or a mental institution.....

At one time kidnapping in the US meant the gas chamber....

I'm waiting for sunset and darkness.......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

It's more than that. Its harassment if they left after discovering the call was a crank call. Unless he had ordered a ham sandwich.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

its disappointing but nor surprising and it is understandable. he fits the profile of how terrorists are viewed. Perhaps if muslims were far more pro-active at denouncing terrorism rather than holding protests agains the arrest of terrorists they might not be treated so suspiciously.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

if I had been a hostage there I wouldnt complain about the treatment. saving my life will generally mean I am less concerned with some short-term discomfort and even suspicion.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

and you think letting EVERYONE carry a gun will reduce crime?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

Well said.

I was surprised there wasn't a reception committee on standby to move immediately if any hostages were released.

It was a tactical error on the part of the frontline police to lower their guns and take on the role of paramedics.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:09pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Correct.

The frontline police were distracted from the job they are there to do.

Heads should roll.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Longy, I have seen and heard Muslims denouncing what is going on in Sydney all day. They're falling over each other to distance themselves from terrorism.

I don't think it is understandable. What happened to "be alert not alarmed?"

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

It's been denounced by the Islamic religious leaders around the whole country.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

If wisdom prevails, many lessons will be learned from this (hopefully) non-fatal incident. We do NOT wish to wait for a terrible incident to learn those lessons... and where insufficient training for police officers (etc) may result in some being killed or injured unnecessarily...

When I went for officer training, my first chat was with an ex-Rhodesian guy.. to whom I said that there is no substitute for weapons training... and you can never train enough.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

Already had a Muslim cleric condemning this kind of thing... I hope,as you do, that they all do.

No - I do not advocate universal right to carry arms..... but I oppose creating people into criminals so as to preclude them from doing so.... there is a world of difference... and I'm afraid government over-stepped the mark there and will pay for it one day... right about now this is part of the deep discontent in the community since people are not stupid.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

amateurs !

vote labor in !

you will get better trained personnel

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Page turnover boot with entertainment....

Curses! Had a storm pass over.. try this none:-

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Police at press conference: "If anyone knows what is happening please tell us."

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"We have him surrounded on three sides!"

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:27pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Correct.

Australian police are far more politically inhibited than the UK police.

Remember the Redfern Riot when a mob of aborigines hurled bottles and abused a line of police for nine solid hours because the 'brass' didn't want the cops to move forward and make arrests because this might be seen as Whitey oppressing the blacks?

The only exception to the UK's aggressive form of policing is when it involves mobs of Muslims in the streets of London and elsewhere. I've see video of British riot police in full retreat while being chased by mobs of Muslim youths.

Hopefully a new kind of political party will emerge within the next 50 years in the UK who will take a very different view of how to deal with these mobs of foreigners running down the streets of British cities.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

and you think letting EVERYONE carry a gun will reduce crime?

Can you cite where I have said everyone should carry a gun?

Convicted felons are not allowed to have guns in the USA, we exclude people from firearm eligibility if they have a criminal record or mental health issues.
I have always said these are good things.

The stats do show the higher the concealed carry permits the lower the crime rate in those areas.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:33pm

Christ - I've nearly given you the handbook for dealing with these things...

No need to thank me, cods... cods.. where are you?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:34pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Is this still going? Sydney coppers, what are they waiting for. Get in there and off this prick.

Heeey ! I'm the one advocating 'softly, softly, catchee tiger'.... violence is the last resort......

Correct.

The safety of the hostages must take priority over everything else.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:34pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"We have him surrounded on three sides!"

He can also escape through Lost Weak End's portable rabbit hole.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

much ado about nothing ... there were probably over 20 snipers with their eyes on the prize anyway. The frontline cops are there to deal with anything that happens, that includes to bundle and remove escaping hostages

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:39pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

Are you suggesting that firearms owners would sell their weapons illegally to criminals? I thought they were all law abiding folk, Grappler?

I do enjoy the barracking from the sidelines you and others are doing. Most amusing. ::)

I don't doubt the blokes up the front are doing the best job they can, in a situation they have trained for but more than likely never encountered for real. No one is perfect, everybody makes mistakes. Hopefully they will, because of their training making less mistakes than the perpetrator of this whole affair. However, having amateurs like you talking out of their arses won't help matters. "I remember when..." ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

I'll throw in a hundred bucks for the air fare.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:43pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

It's been denounced by the Islamic religious leaders around the whole country.

How very decent of them. What a bunch of hypocritical bastards.

Means absolutely nothing.

These are the same bunch of Muslim 'community leaders' who only recently chucked a dummy-spit when Abbott announced stricter terrorism laws.

Two-faced hypocrites who only just weeks ago didn't support our government's initiatives to make it easier for the security police to identify and crack down on Muslims suspected of planning terrorist acts.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

bump

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by brumbie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

It's been denounced by the Islamic religious leaders around the whole country.

Phew...that's a relief.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

Perhaps now the LibLab parliament will change their immigration program to a sane one. In the meantime it looks like the hostages will be paying for their indiscretion of being multicultural and voting for the LibLabs

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by brumbie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

And where would that be John? the only places I can think of offhand would be places like Japan ...where they have the intelligence to not involve themselves with multiculture.Oh ...and seem to get along just fine thank you very much ::)....Geez!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:54pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Hmmm.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:54pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Longy, I have seen and heard Muslims denouncing what is going on in Sydney all day. They're falling over each other to distance themselves from terrorism.

Again, it means nothing.

Their children, or cousins, or grandchildren are open to radicalisation just as the ones we've seen go off to fight for ISIS.

For as long as they give birth in our maternity wards to 'Mohammads' and 'Mustafas' ~ the Russian roulette of murderous jihadists continuing to emerge from our Muslim community will continue into the generations yet to come.

It's a sexually transmitted cultural virus which remains dormant in some, only to become active in others as a Call to violent jihad.

The final solution: An indefinite moratorium on all future Islamic immigration.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Herb grew up in China, perhaps he could go back there?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

OK, I'll throw in two hundred bucks.

http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/cheap-flights/japan

Fukuoka, Herbie.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

It's been denounced by the Islamic religious leaders around the whole country.

Phew...that's a relief.

Exactly.

I'm highly impressed by their civic spirit.

Our schools will now go into overdrive pounding into our children that "This has NOTHING to do with Islam!"

Or political leaders and media commentators will trumpet from the rooftops that "This has NOTHING to do with Islam!"

One day, some day, a politician is going to break rank and speak the truth, instead of playing election politics for the Muslim vote.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by brumbie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Herb grew up in China, perhaps he could go back there?

Plenty of muslims in China John.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Herb grew up in China, perhaps he could go back there?

Plenty of muslims in China John.

are there? I didn't think communist countries allowed organised religion, besides, they know how to deal with extremists, of any religion ...

that's Ok, I'll settle for Japan, I just figured he'd feel more at home in China since he grew up there.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

Yeah, quite a few Muslims in China.

I'm upping my offer to three hundred bucks.

Fukuoka, Herbie.

http://www.jetabroad.com.au/Cheap-Flights/Fukuoka-bugger/

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:04pm

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

It's been denounced by the Islamic religious leaders around the whole country.

Phew...that's a relief.

You'd prefer they fulfilled your stereotypes and actually encouraged it? Yes, I suppose you and your ilk would. ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Herb grew up in China, perhaps he could go back there?

Plenty of muslims in China John.

Herbie would hate it. He dislikes Asians only slightly less than Muslims. In the days of Hansonism, he used to cheer on her anti-Asian stance with gusto - which is interesting as he, by his own admission grew up in China. He hankers, I suppose for the days of the Empire when coolies and n-i-g-g-e-r-s knew their place and Muslims were kept out in the desert, to howl at the moon. Ah, the days of the Raj, how he misses it! ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by brumbie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Herb grew up in China, perhaps he could go back there?

Plenty of muslims in China John.

23,308,000

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:10pm

Hmmm.

Holding multicultural views! I didn't say or mean multiracial

The LibLabs need to wake up and change their immigration program

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Perhaps if muslims were far more pro-active at denouncing terrorism rather than holding protests against the arrest of terrorists they might not be treated so suspiciously.

Well said.

We've heard nothing but endless rationalisations, apologist nonsense, and Victimhood self-pity from the leaders of the Muslim community.

It's time the government stopped playing soft-ball with theses community leaders, and started reading them the riot act.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Herbie would hate it. He dislikes Asians only slightly less than Muslims.

An ex-employee of Jack Van Tongeren's, so I've heard.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:15pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action.

but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran?

Sadly, no.

It's been denounced by the Islamic religious leaders around the whole country.

you have made a point I seem to recall they were attending the meeting with Abbott then they changed their minds?????>.. it will be interesting if one of our friends at the ABC asks them about that when they pop in for a few words.....

I am also a little dismayed when we read about the books their book shops sell and these so called teachers of ISLAM that preach hate and killing seems to be ok.....why do these IMAMS who now stand up and claim they are against all of this and they love living in this country.. why do they not close these shops and people down.???>..when all they do is spread hate for the people of this country...

I dont understand how you can let this happen knowing full well it will lead to someone going this far eventually.....
every one says it is an event waiting to happen..

.it could all end up peacefully... then again it could go the other way and we never find out what it was all about.......one guy who met him before he went into the shop I believe, said he had the look of the devil about him...scared the beejesus out of him..threatened to shoot him....

how much longer can he hold out????..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

You'd prefer they fulfilled your stereotypes and actually encouraged it? Yes, I suppose you and your ilk would. ::)

But they do encourage it by default.

Every time the Labor or Liberal governments legislate for stricter terrorism laws, the next thing we hear is that the Muslim 'community leaders' are throwing a tantie about 'victimisation' and being 'singled out for special attention'.

Well who the hell should be 'singled out' if it's not the notoriously troublesome Muslim community?

Bloody hypocrites, the lot of them.

They should be shipped out of the country in a fleet of Airbus A380s heading for destinations in the Middle East.

The whole damn lot of them.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:47pm

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

That is very sad, Annie.

Not at all.

There are 52 Islamic countries in the world for him to chose from ~ but surprise surprise, despite being a devout Muslim ~ he chooses to live in non-Muslim secular Australia.

you could also go and live somewhere where they have no muslims! whats stopping you?

Herb grew up in China, perhaps he could go back there?

Plenty of muslims in China John.

23,308,000

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030

I believed you ;)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:53pm

I watched an award show the other night, "10th Anniversary Pride of Australia Awards"....one of the awards that made me feel positive, was to Dr. Jamal Rifi for "Fair go".....as explained below ~

Dr Rifi’s generous nature and desire to give back led him to found Muslim Doctors Against Violence and the Christian Muslim Friendship Society, building harmony between the Muslim and non-Muslim communities.

Then when viewing the siege on TV (in the waiting room, whilst going to visit a school friend & neighbour in pallative care today), I felt sorry for the Muslims living in harmony in our society, and hoped this doesn't tar them all with the same brush.
It's important to note, that Dr. Rifi did condemn the actions of this gunman. Here is the story below.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/martin-place-siege-muslim-leader-jamal-rifi-says-gunmen-are-a-disgrace-to-islam/story-fni0cx12-1227156706240

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:55pm

Oh btw.....something co-incidental about the word "Martin" and the lone gunman and cafes?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:59pm

Just got back to this. ABC is still re-running footage from many hours ago. Unbelievable!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:00pm

Sophia wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Oh btw.....something co-incidental about the word "Martin" and the lone gunman and cafes?

Yes. And a few of the hostages have maps of Tassie.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Herbie would hate it. He dislikes Asians only slightly less than Muslims.

An ex-employee of Jack Van Tongeren's, so I've heard.

Ah - you know Jack....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:04pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Herbie would hate it. He dislikes Asians only slightly less than Muslims.

An ex-employee of Jack Van Tongeren's, so I've heard.

Ah - you know Jack....

Indeed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Herbie IS Jack.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

I thought my responses quite reasonable and very, very informative..... nothing I say is intended as a criticism.. merely offering advice and information...

Put two jelly beans BACK in the jar....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:06pm

"Van Tongeren was released from jail on the condition that he leave Western Australia. He currently resides in the eastern states."

Where does Herbie live?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:07pm

van Tongeren was born in 1947.

How old is Herbie?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:15pm

page kicker with entertainment.......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:19pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Just got back to this. ABC is still re-running footage from many hours ago. Unbelievable!

"Every time you see it, it is extremely confronting......"

Crap ABC.........it is boring the beegeezus out of me!

What the feerk happened to 'business as usual?'

"There are so many unknowns," yet your idiot ABC reporters keep talking about ferking what is unknown!

Am I missing something here?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Postmodern Trendoid II on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:25pm

This is progress.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

"Van Tongeren was released from jail on the condition that he leave Western Australia. He currently resides in the eastern states."

Where does Herbie live?

about there.....

van Tongeren was born in 1947.

How old is Herbie?

about that......

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

You'd prefer they fulfilled your stereotypes and actually encouraged it? Yes, I suppose you and your ilk would. ::)

Tell me, Herbie, if a government passed a law that everybody with Red Hair because one Red Haired person once committed a murder, was going to, from now on, receive special attention from the Secret Police and the regular Police and the Intelligence Services just 'cause they had Red Hair, do you think the Red Haired would be right to protest they were being victimised? ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:36pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

I thought my responses quite reasonable and very, very informative..... nothing I say is intended as a criticism.. merely offering advice and information...

Put two jelly beans BACK in the jar....

Tell your mates down the RSL, Grappler. ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

"Van Tongeren was released from jail on the condition that he leave Western Australia. He currently resides in the eastern states."

Where does Herbie live?

Sydney. However, he has always claimed he has always lived in Sydney since he supposedly arrived in the country in 1964. Herbie isn't Jack. Jack was a man of action, not an insufferable troll. ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

"Van Tongeren was released from jail on the condition that he leave Western Australia. He currently resides in the eastern states."

Where does Herbie live?

Sydney. However, he has always claimed he has always lived in Sydney since he supposedly arrived in the country in 1964. Herbie isn't Jack. Jack was a man of action, not an insufferable troll. ::)

Good point.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:39pm

They all know.....

Your lack of knowledge, training and experience is showing...... I'm merely trying to save lives.. we're in the business of saving lives....

I sincerely trust that the NSW Police actually read stuff and hear the lessons...

You're suspended from the jelly bean jar..... pending reinstatement by the board.....

At least try to avoid the usual slanging that goes on here... and seeking a response..... try the issues.. you are mostly quite reasonable, but there is a definite shoulder chip there somewhere....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:51pm

Can somebody please contact the police and tell them what is happening. Please also give them directions to their fat arses.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:58pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:59pm

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Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:59pm

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Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:00pm

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:01pm

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Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:41pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:21am

Sydney siege: Man behind siege named as Iranian cleric Man Haron Monis

Quote:

The man police believe is responsible for the siege at the Lindt Chocolat Cafe in Sydney's Martin Place is Iranian cleric Man Haron Monis.

He is currently on bail for a string of violent offences, including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife.

Monis is also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges and has a conviction for sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.

His former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, said Monis was an isolated figure who was acting alone.

"His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness," he said.

In otherwords, a loon. Hardly representative of anything other than his own interpretation of Islam. ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:53am

Is Man Monis a Jewish name?

There is a pic of him here looking very Israeli:

resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/08/05/1226691/341644-130805-monis.jpg

pretending to be an Shi-ite Iranian ayatollah here:

abc.net.au/news/image/1136554-3x2-940x627.jpg

and now he is supposed to be a sunni Islamic State operative.

???

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:10am

Man Monis is a name that sounds like it belongs to an Israelite. Monis is a famous Jewish name.

Quote:

...Muslim leaders say they do not recognise any of those inside the cafe including a man being reported to be the gunman and cannot discern his motivation.

"He's certainly no one that I recognise," says Mr Trad, from the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia. "And the flag he has held up is not a jihadist flag, it's the kalimah, which translates as 'There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his messenger.' "

Kuranda Seyit from the Forum on Islamic Relations and Ms Kay also remained in the dark on the possible identity of the man. Mr Seyit said: "I know many people in the community, but I don't recognise this man."...

theage.com.au/comment/martin-place-lindt-cafe-siege-muslim-leaders-brace-for-backlash-20141215-127fzo.html

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:14am

Man Monis an Israeli false flag operation?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:33am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:39am

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 12:53am:

abc.net.au/news/image/1136554-3x2-940x627.jpg

they must have thought australians would be too backward to notice ...

tony abbot should be arrested for being compliant
in false flag scallywag behaviour

then forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:45am

great pantomime !

it had its flaws and downfalls .. act 2 was rubbish ,

in terms of whipping up hysteria , the mossad operative did his job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PbYy3OuU4s

Police storm Lindt cafe in Sydney (FULL VIDEO)

all in all a very yawning mossad false flag

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:08am

the mossad operative is reported "dead "

just like osama ... they threw him overboard

until the next false flag that is ...

http://www.news.com.au/national/martin-place-cafe-siege-police-storm-cafe-and-kill-gunman-sheik-man-haron-monis-report/story-fncynjr2-1227156241649

Martin Place cafe siege: Police storm cafe and kill gunman ‘Sheik’ Man Haron Monis — report

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:14am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOpDVrhhDlA

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22am

Quote:

false flag scallywag behaviour

Dear master Light,

stop making up silly stories

3 people have died any many more are injured

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22am

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:29am

Quote:

Dear master Light,

stop making up silly stories

3 people have died any many more are injured

forgiven

namaste

many blessings id bobby you have been exposed recently ...as we continue

3 people died ?

like the sandy hook false flag ?

nobody died .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3QTCh3BLNEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAVnSIHryFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNODtxeuaug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EfyD7Wu5fQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYPrt4Hr8BIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtF6tf_8gI

your chickens are home and are attempting to roost as it happens

just like port arthur

this is act 2 of australias false flag operations

wake up australia

then be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:33am

not so great actors are being used in false flags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZonCVRQ-2shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMH34ufze2chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlQJkpGzndU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwqcC0Craghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4-0ZnocSkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpmFIWm1dWw

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:43am

here is the FBI REPORT on Sandy Hook

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_colorado_by_city_2012.xls

The FBI's report can be found by clicking here. (Scroll down to Newtown and you'll find that 0 people were killed in that city in calendar year 2012).

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/

FBI REPORT: NO DEATHS AT SANDY HOOK: WAS EXERCISE, MISREPORTED, CREATED CRISIS
Posted by Staff on November 08, 2014

In a shocking report released this week, the FBI is admitting that the 2012 Sandy Hook School shooting was not a shooting at all. It was an exercise that local media misreported on, and then government officials perpetuated the hoax in hopes of bringing about gun control legislation.

Many questions regarding why "parents" were laughing, first responders were not going in and out of the school and later no medical personnel were permitted are now answered.

Most of us, at this point, have seen the crisis actor who was playing the part of a "parent" laughing a big belly laugh before noticing a camera and becoming somber. If you haven't, then click here to see the video.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by wally1 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:01am

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:08am:

Ive said this many times before about these false flag accounts.

Media kept talking about sunni islam, IS,alqaeda, when in fact the loony fwit was a shia clown who tried to bring disrepute to sunni islam.

He was shia but wanted a IS flag, funny poo i say.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:10am

Quote:

total false flag attack

this will unravel very very soon ...

so be it

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:15am

People.. PEOPLE.. can we keep the 'false flag' dispute for a new strand?

If you wish to air the arguments pro and con, honour the dead by doing so afresh and on a new one where you have plenty of room to do so.

I'm more interested in trying to analyse the events.... and find answers.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:16am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:15am:

many blessings mighty grappler ,

we continue to seek truth brother being ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3L62TCoyUk

Sydney Siege Suspect 'Man Haron Monis' Killed, Along with Two Hostages!

The gunman who had been holding people hostage inside a chocolate store in downtown Sydney has been killed, Australian police confirmed to ABC News.

And two other people have been killed, a highly place Australian source told ABC News.

The suspect had previously been identified as Man Monis by local news reports, and the manner in which died still remains unclear but New South Wales police have confirmed his death. The identities of the two others killed were not immediately revealed.

Police stormed the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in the early hours of Tuesday morning, local time, and three injuries have been reported, including one policeman.

Explosions of what were believed to be flash bang grenades were heard when police stormed the shop and while there were many loud noises, it is not clear if or how many shots were fired by either police or Monis during the face off.

At 10:19 a.m. ET, a group of at least seven heavily armed police officers went into the Lindt cafe under the cover of loud bangs of what local news Channel 9 is calling stun grenades. Shortly after the police stormed the café, at least two hostages emerged, looking visibly shaken.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/s...
Category
News & Politics

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:25am

How he died?

Well.. it was reported that he had what 'appears to be a pump action shotgun'...

> there were several (4-5) loud single blasts...

> followed by masses of automatic gunfire apparently as police entered...

> I would suggest he retreated or took shelter, since there were ongoing bursts of automatic fire for many seconds.

I'd say he died of about a magazine full of 5.56mm rounds.

Claims that he was some kind of cleric appear to be false and self-assumed, and he has a lengthy criminal record. I would suggest he is as much a cleric as I am (not at all)...

Obviously he was a nutter, though I am certain that Allah will not look kindly on the murder of innocents.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:31am

blessings grappler ,

did the police kill 2 people when attempting to kill the operative ?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:32am

Does anyone have raw footage of the incident from the time the first hostages 'made their escape' at around 2am? (so it is reported). Apparently this triggered the shooting, but I'd like to confirm shots inside.

Bit hard to work out who initiated the incident when it starts with police outside including bomb squad ready to go in... meaning they were in the immediate process.

Need to hear without bloody commentators the sounds from inside...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:39am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:32am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PbYy3OuU4s

this one ?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:43am

Thank you, Master Light... seems pretty clear from sounds...

I praise the two police in shot for their immediate response to booms from inside.

I wonder if all the relevant footage from helmet cameras etc will be released to the public. That was one hell of a lot of 5.56 rounds in there, in two clear sequences, so I assume the gunman possibly retreated to that back room mentioned previously.

One officer is definitely ex-Army - quick three round taps on trigger...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:47am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:43am:

many blessings mighty grappler

the tactical response unloaded heaps and many wiz bangs , crikey !

that was a sustained deployment of heavy weaponry

enough one may venture , to kill innocent people caught in the cross fight / kill zone of aforementioned wiz bangs

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:07am

.. page kick with entertainment....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:09am

bump

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:12am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:15am:

I'm more interested in trying to analyse the events.... and find answers.

This would never have happened if a 'liberal-progressive' Leftwing-luvvie of a 'New Age' judge hadn't released him back into the community on bail despite a string of serious charges against him.

"Iranian cleric Man Haron Monis is the man police believe was behind the siege at the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in Sydney's Martin Place.

Monis, who was granted political asylum in Australia, was on bail for a string of violent offences, including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife.

He was also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges and had a conviction for sending offensive letters to families of deceased Australian soldiers".

It's obvious that those in charge of protecting the public's safety from delinquent Muslims are more concerned with appeasing those who pose a risk than locking them up.

This Muslim was granted political asylum, and then proceeded to write 'offensive letters' to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.

The judges didn't jail him.

The government didn't deport him.

Conclusion: In no way are the authorities taking the threat of terrorism seriously.

It's impossible to reconcile the 'Hands-Off' attitude of the government and the courts towards this fellow, and assurances that they're "Doing all we can to ensure public safety".

Two innocent people have died because the criminal court didn't do it's job by jailing this loose cannon, and the Minister for Immigration didn't have him deported after he was caught sending cruel letters to the relatives of deceased soldiers.

I hope the families of the two deceased sue the balls off the government and the judiciary for their criminal negligence in not dealing properly with this Muslim at the time he first showed himself to be an Islamic wacko.

We're going to hear a lot of soft-cock apologist platitudes about "Let's not play the blame game".

It's precisely what needs to be done if lessons are to be learnt from this.

If an American pitbull terrier that has a history of aggressive actions against people is still allowed to wander the streets as a menace and a potential danger to public safety, then of course the magistrate or judge is wholly responsible for what may then occur.

And in this case, even the government knew of this nutter's potential to become a lethal problem at some future time.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Annie Anthrax on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:19am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:25am:

I appreciate your levelheaded and informative posts. I wish they'd stop saying cleric - it's dishonest and divisive.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:34am

The appalling disrespect shown for the two dead innocents from this siege by the perennial idiots needs to be dealt with by the moderators.

Light should be banned for a lengthy time for his shocking misconduct as should others who propagate such foolishness and insanity while disrespecting the dead.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:36am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:34am:

many blessings

the truth will be revealed without censorship

and stinging sensations from multiple dismissals

and exposures of your good self..

all posts are on topic ..

as all continue to report these unfolding events ...

all hearts remain loved

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:37am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

I appreciate your levelheaded and informative posts. I wish they'd stop saying cleric - it's dishonest and divisive.

Wrong.

Any Muslim can legitimately claim to be a 'cleric' or imam if he can attract a following who will attend his 'sermons'.

The system is not like that within the Christian church.

If a Muslim is judged by his peers to speak with authority on matters to do with Islamic belief, and he attracts a congregation to his Friday talks, then by that fact alone he is regarded to be an imam.

It does not require the endorsement of higher authority to legitimise his status as a recognised cleric.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:37am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:12am:

I'm more interested in trying to analyse the events.... and find answers.

This would never have happened if a 'liberal-progressive' Leftwing-luvvie of a 'New Age' judge hadn't released him back into the community on bail despite a string of serious charges against him.

"Iranian cleric Man Haron Monis is the man police believe was behind the siege at the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in Sydney's Martin Place.

Monis, who was granted political asylum in Australia, was on bail for a string of violent offences, including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife.

He was also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges and had a conviction for sending offensive letters to families of deceased Australian soldiers".

It's obvious that those in charge of protecting the public's safety from delinquent Muslims are more concerned with appeasing those who pose a risk than locking them up.

This Muslim was granted political asylum, and then proceeded to write 'offensive letters' to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.

The judges didn't jail him.

The government didn't deport him.

Conclusion: In no way are the authorities taking the threat of terrorism seriously.

It's impossible to reconcile the 'Hands-Off' attitude of the government and the courts towards this fellow, and assurances that they're "Doing all we can to ensure public safety".

Two innocent people have died because the criminal court didn't do it's job by jailing this loose cannon, and the Minister for Immigration didn't have him deported after he was caught sending cruel letters to the relatives of deceased soldiers.

I hope the families of the two deceased sue the balls off the government and the judiciary for their criminal negligence in not dealing properly with this Muslim at the time he first showed himself to be an Islamic wacko.

We're going to hear a lot of soft-cock apologist platitudes about "Let's not play the blame game".

It's precisely what needs to be done if lessons are to be learnt from this.

If an American pitbull terrier that has a history of aggressive actions against people is still allowed to wander the streets as a menace and a potential danger to public safety, then of course the magistrate or judge is wholly responsible for what may then occur.

And in this case, even the government knew of this nutter's potential to become a lethal problem at some future time

how amazing is this......he has an awful history no doubt about that...but I am still wondering what was this all about...what were his demands...????....

my sympathy goes to the families who lost someone in this ordeal....and how those who escaped from it will recover I have no idea.just what has this achieved???????? :( :(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem. (I am not in any way labelling all Muslims as terrorists just the hard liners)

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Mechanic on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:52am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

they need to start changing laws now and change them fast while the Apologist have gone hiding under their beds hiding in shame for supporting these types of criminals..

apologists like pekkery, ian, john smith, Laugh till you cry ...

you know the ones on here.. the ones promoting Hate Speech... >:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:55am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

I'll go with the cops being incredibly stupid and dumb. a single head shot was possible twelve hours earlier. the ROE need to change such that if you take hostages and you are armed that you forfeit your right to live and lethal force will be used at the FIRST opportunity. if they had done that there would be no innocent deaths. and all this has doen is shown other muslim nutters that police wont shoot first. next time, SHOOT FIRST.

perhaps the FBI needs to send its HRT quad down here to teach our police commanders that having trained snipers is no use if you don't actually use them.

pitiful police response.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:56am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

hear hear they would have been exhausted ....

well done boys...you made me proud...

lets hope when next Abbott wants a conference on security in this country... all those Muslim leaders who thought it singled out muslims so therefore was unacceptable may now come to the table...

this has done more harm to Muslims.. than putting real culprits in prison will ever do..... surely even they can see that...

this man by the look of his record should have been in jail...but because of the constant backlash we are afraid to do that....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by tickleandrose on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:09am

I am so shocked waking up to this tragedy. I can only imagine what the families of the two people who got violently taken away from them. I was crying, this is so terrible!

In the face of adversity, we must stand together, not divide, not to look for scapegoats. Otherwise, the terrorist would have won already.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:10am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:12am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:15am:

I'm more interested in trying to analyse the events.... and find answers.

Threats are laughed at by the authorities: thats why stalkers get away with destroying family members and consequently families forever until someone takes drastic measure... mental institutions just release complete scum and they buy and sell drugs with their massive dole payments to easily buy their way out of restraining orders and it's just a mess... then you've got your dodgy doctors handing out the meds when finances are low as a back for the continuing saga of sadness...

There are many weak points to the system we live in and you are right to point them out !!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by gandalf on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:12am

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:16am:

[

we continue to seek truth brother being ..

Many bessings.

You do not seek truth, you blindly jump to conclusions without any facts.

You are a troll.

Forgiven.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Rider on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:12am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:25am:

I appreciate your levelheaded and informative posts. I wish they'd stop saying cleric - it's dishonest and divisive.

I guess you'd prefer catholic priest.....but he wasnt was he?? He was a raghead muslim criminal who has caused mayhem in our country and caused the death of two innocent people we dont like him.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:14am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

... those who were brutally murdered.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:17am

"Iranian “refugee”, Manteghi Bourjerdi (AKA Sheik Man Haron Monis, pictured), walked free on bail into the Lindt cafe and left his filthy, indelible mark on Australia.

Last year Penrith Local Court Magistrate, Darryl Pearce, gave the unhinged Iranian cleric, along with his accomplice, bail despite being charged with accessory to the murder of his ex wife and setting her on fire, hand delivering filthy letters to widows of fallen Australian soldiers and 40 counts of sexual assault.

If you’re a mad Muslim supporting ISIS and Al Queda and up on the most heinous of multiple charges it appears that Australia is the place to be.

The Left leaning judiciary can claim responsibility for almost forty murders committed since 1980 by people either set free on bail, given ridiculously low sentences or where parole boards had released those deemed “likely to re-offend” back into the community.

Australia not only offers free money and a wonderful lifestyle to its Islamic refugees, it offers them freedom to molest Aussie women and children, freedom to threaten our lives, freedom to give comfort to our enemies and free legal aid to keep them out of jail".

link

This has nothing to do with Australian culture, ethos, heritage, or national identity.

It's a 7th century throwback.

It's alien, divisive (thank you Annie) - and runs totally contrary to our every instinct as citizens of a 21st century First World western nation.

It doesn't belong here. It's why countries have borders.

And yet still the politically criminal swine who rule the Anglosphere are sponsoring the immigration of these aliens who are building for themselves a parallel community within our own homeland nationhood.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:19am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Fair call: austrlalia will never be the same.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by athos on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:27am

It looks that critical level of Muslim population has been reached what jeopardize security in Australia.
To overcome this problem the authorities should start deporting Muslims to Saudi Arabia and allow strictly non Muslim migration.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

... those who were brutally murdered.

what? you are questioning that they were murdered??

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30am

lol, rush in without a plan... good idea: i wish i voted liberal and pretended i was hardcore into faith!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

... those who were brutally murdered.

what? you are questioning that they were murdered??

I've seen no confirmation of who killed them.

Were they killed by the police, or the terrorist?

"It is not clear if the two hostages who died, a man aged 34 and a woman aged 38, were shot by the gunman or killed in the crossfire."

If the police killed them, I wouldn't call it murder.

They certainly acted poorly, but calling them murderers is going a bit too far.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32am

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

Dear O dear O dear .... not look for 'scapegoats'.

How about we look for those who are responsible for not having deported this Muslim 'refugee' (from Iran?) ... at the time he demonstrated his animosity towards non-Muslim Australians?

How about we identify which judge or magistrate thought it was appropriate to let this Muslim back onto the street under bail conditions?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by JC Denton on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:38am

i dont get how if youre a muslim and you hold up a coffee shop and take people hostage in sydney you're evil but if you're an irishman with a biscuit tin on his head who does the same at glenrowan we make you our national hero?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:55am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

Once a gunman has hostages captive, it must be a hard place for the gunman to extract himself from.

Sniper headshot after a while negotiating must come into the equation for the poice.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:42am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

... those who were brutally murdered.

what? you are questioning that they were murdered??

words fail to express the disgust I feel for someone like you that lacks the compassion and the decency that most other people take as granted. You question everything, believe nothing (except your own opinion) and like Aussie, care for no one unless it is in your advantage to do so.

You are a pitiful creature.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:44am

Quote:

"It is not clear if the two hostages who died, a man aged 34 and a woman aged 38, were shot by the gunman or killed in the crossfire."

Are you calling the police murderers?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:45am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue.

The links to Israel must be investigated.

Mossad has many Iranian agents.

Quote:

Turkey disclosed Mossad spy network to Iran

jewishledger.com/2013/10/turkey-disclosed-mossad-spy-network-to-iran/

What kind of name is "Man Monis" anyway? Sound Muslim or Jewish?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:46am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:47am

athos wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:27am:

It looks that critical level of Muslim population has been reached what jeopardize security in Australia.

To overcome this problem the authorities should start deporting Muslims to Saudi Arabia and allow strictly non Muslim migration.

For as long as the governments of the UK and Australia ignore the information passed on to them from their secret service agencies about those Muslims who have demonstrated themselves to be radicals and extremists in their speech and their attendance at firebrand mosques ~ these events will continue to happen.

Any Muslim who is identified as espousing extremist views should be summarily deported without appeal or recourse to delaying tactics.

Simply escorted onto a plane and released back to the country they identify with as their ancestral seat.

The murderers of Lee Rigby in London were well known to MI5 as hothead radicals ~ but they weren't simply picked up and deported as undesirables.

The 'do-nothing' attitude of the Political Left predominated, and so poor Lee paid the penalty for their political cowardice.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:48am

bump

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:48am

bump

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:51am

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:56am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

hear hear they would have been exhausted ....

well done boys...you made me proud...

lets hope when next Abbott wants a conference on security in this country... all those Muslim leaders who thought it singled out muslims so therefore was unacceptable may now come to the table...

this has done more harm to Muslims.. than putting real culprits in prison will ever do..... surely even they can see that...

this man by the look of his record should have been in jail...but because of the constant backlash we are afraid to do that....

....and that is what we in Australia, need to show understanding towards and not let this create more fear and backlash against a whole muslim community, and therein is where the Govt and laws in Australia, need to change, to rectify, since this lone wolf/nutter was known about, yet was allowed to walk among the rest of us, freely??? Why???

Sad news to wake up to, hearing of those innocents (presumably) caught in the crossfire and died.

My heart goes out to their families.

There may be a division in the way Australians think, some will have more fear and hatred towards the Muslims as a whole, and others will be more supportive.

I have decided to be more supportive, and after reading this below, this is what the pride of Australia is really about, and we can show the world we will not be dictated by fear.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/illridewithyou-hashtag-takes-off-following-siege/5969102

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:52am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:53am

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Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:56am

****
(at this rate of page turning, I may run out of asterisks)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:56am

*****

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:57am

******

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:58am

I honestly thought the problematic page turning for this forum was rectified (apparently not!) :(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:59am

******* ::) ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:02am

A number of Iranian Mossad agents go missing in 1994.

Man Monis turns up in Australia seeking asylum in 1996 claiming persecution by the Iranian state.

Iranian Mossad agents are nothing new.

washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-turkey-blows-israels-cover-for-iranian-spy-ring/2013/10/16/7d9c1eb2-3686-11e3-be86-6aeaa439845b_story.html

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:03am

Sophia wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

****
(at this rate of page turning, I may run out of asterisks)

Here's a spare one:

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by HooYAY its FriYAY on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:16am

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:10am:

Quote:

total false flag attack

this will unravel very very soon ...

so be it

namaste

What a total loon you are.

Pyramid of light? Pile of steaming crap more like it.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:19am

If you are a Muslim pondering today's events then think of this.

If you love and embrace our society then you are welcome and we embrace you.

However if you decide that the way forward is the way of ISIS then go, you are not welcome. Don't hang around agitating in a Country, which vehemently opposes the ideals of ISIS and like minded organisations.

Because if you are a hardliner we will come for you and you will be dealt with.

Australia will now longer tolerate you spreading bile and hate against us whilst free to walk in our society and murder our citizens.

It is time for you to decide, if you are for us or against us. If it is the latter then get the f...k out, to where you are with like minded zealots.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:19am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:20am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by tickleandrose on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:23am

Quote:

I have no doubt that there will be alot of questions asked. And his life in Australia will be dissected down to minute details. But ultimately, the judges and magistrates have no way of knowing this can happen, and the responsibility lies with the perpetrator. We still only have very sketchy idea of what happened. So lets not jump into conclusion in some vigilante rage fit.

In terms of questions, I would be very interested to know how did he get access to the shotgun.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:24am

The siege is over. A member of the Muslim community murdered two Sydney siders, a small price to pay for Multiculturalism the powers that be probably think. Problem is, it's starting to add up, Bali plus Sydney would be about 90 so far, murdered by Muslims. I think it's time the Libs and Labs had a rethink about their psyche, their use by date has long gone, everything they do from now on will be messy, just like this siege now concluded

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:28am

Why was Mossad agent, Man Monis, given asylum in Australia by John Howard in 1996?

Official story: "he was a Shia ayatollah fleeing persecution from Shi-ite Iran."

Make sense?

What next? Asylum for priests fleeing persecution in the Vatican?

Why did this guy have so many aliases?

Quote:

Monis, also known as Sheikh Haron and Mohammad Hassan Manteghi...[and Ayatollah Boroujerdi]

heraldsun.com.au/news/national/martin-place-cafe-siege-man-haron-monis-named-as-gunman/story-fni0xqrb-1227157492618

How come nobody in the Muslim community knew this guy?

Quote:

As far back as 2008, Australia’s Muslim leaders distanced themselves from Monis.

Australia’s senior Shia leader at the time, Kamal Mousselmani, called on federal authorities to investigate the fake sheik, saying he did not speak for Australia’s Muslim community.

Mousselmani told The Australian there were no ayatollahs — supreme Shia scholars — in Australia and none of his fellow spiritual leaders knew who Ayatollah Boroujerdi or Sheik Haron was.

“We don’t know him and we have got nothing to do with him,” Sheik Mousselmani said. “The federal police should investigate who he is. It should be their responsibility,” he said.

heraldsun.com.au/news/national/martin-place-cafe-siege-man-haron-monis-named-as-gunman/story-fni0xqrb-1227157492618

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:54am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

Nice rant, Red, but our politicians, our law-makers, and our courts have no intention of upsetting Australia's 'Muslim Community' by inferring that any of this is a product of Islam and its teachings.

Abbott has just increased the Muslim intake by 7000.

The elephant-in-the-room is still being ignored.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Rider on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:54am

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Quote:

No need to jump to conclusions...as soon as he showed the raghead flag it was obvious to all of us. Probably not you I admit some people wouldn't know they were in the sh1t till the level reaches their noses.

Dont start throwing red herrings about how he got a shotgun it is irrelevent. Aussie gun laws only apply to those willing to obey them. You'd have to be a super educated fool to believe anything else.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:00am

"Why was Mossad agent, Man Monis, given asylum in Australia".

The same reason the LibLabs let Nazi war criminals live the good life in Australia, whatever that reason was, I missed it, the reason went over my head, something to do with the law I think, the law that says even Nazi war criminals and Muslim terrorists have a right to citizenship and to keep it no matter what

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:03am

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:31am:

blessings grappler ,

did the police kill 2 people when attempting to kill the operative ?

It's possible, but reports are that a sniper on the building opposite saw a hostage shot, which precipitated the ingress...

Possible that one was 'caught in crossfire'..hard to tell without full information.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:13am

Why did John Howard grant asylum to Mossad agent, Man Monis, in 1996?

John Howard must be tried for treason!

There must be an investigation into how Man Monis got a shotgun, and whether there are links to Israel.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:13am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:14am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:15am

why do posts not show up on this forum?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:15am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:37am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:19am:

I appreciate your levelheaded and informative posts. I wish they'd stop saying cleric - it's dishonest and divisive.

Sensei, you are mistaken. Anybody can call themselves a "Pastor" and start their own Christian church if they so desire. Many Evangelicals start out that way. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:19am

Quote:

Iranian-born, Monis sought asylum in Australia in 1996

Howard era. Howard must be tried for treason!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:19am

Media are asking questions about the type of weapon that killed the gunman.... inference seems to be that the thousand or so 5.56s fired off hit nobody... not the gunman anyway.

I'm sure the coroner will find a few in him.... but I was concerned that even after hostages were being taken out, firing continued, meaning he was holed up somewhere....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:20am

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Oh, bullshit. What an absolute load of cobblers. We've had lunatic gun men hold people hostage before and we'll have more in the future. It's what happens when a society abdicates it's responsibility to care for those who suffer mental illness or emotional damage. Australia is the same today as it was yesterday. I get fed up with this sort of crap and trite statement. Australian society will continue on it's selfish and self-centred way, with the same hatreds, intolerance and boring emphasis on bread and circuses. People will still go to the cricket and the footie (of what ever flavour) and play with their kids and have Barbies in the park. It's hysteria like yours which will breed intolerance and hatred. Grow up. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:22am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:52am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

You mean the people who think? The ones who refuse to engage in witch hunts, pogroms and give into fear and hatred based on prejudice and intolerance? Who ask other people to use what's between their ears rather than not?

People like you are silly and fatuous in your lack of thinking about these issues. ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:24am

So why were the authorities not watching this guy? Abbott must be tried for treason!

Quote:

...He was charged last year with being an accessory to the murder of his 30-year-old former wife Noleen Hayson Pal, a mother-of-two who was allegedly stabbed to death and set alight in April 2013...

...As recently as last week on a website he used both to defend and promote himself, he announced that he had...pledged his allegiance to the caliphate declared by the militant group Islamic State...

...Sydney Shia leaders had apparently urged federal police to probe his claim to be a leading cleric...

...Shortly after Tony Abbott’s government was elected in September last year, Monis sent the prime minister a letter inviting him to a live debate in which he said he would prove that “Australia and Australians will be attacked”...

theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/15/man-haron-monis-sydney-siege-suspect

Abbott wanted this to happen.

Abbott did nothing to stop Monis.

Abbott must be tried for treason.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:55am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

Great, suicide by police. Turning Terrorists into instant martyrs. What happens if the rig themselves with a suicide vest with a "deadman's switch"? You shoot them, the pressure is released and BOOM! Up they and everybody else goes.

You're assuming they could see into the shop and that the gunman was so visible that they could get a clear shot. How do you know that was possible? Were you there? Of course bloody not. What I hate is people who were watching vicariously through their television telling people who were there what decision they should have made in hindsight, when they have no pressure and lives don't depend on their decisions. Idiot. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:27am

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

Exactly. Terrorists hope to disrupt society and force it to change to suit their agenda. We need to ignore that, not make knee-jerk reactions and consider how we should react to events at our pace, not that of the Terrorists! ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:27am

.. and now comes the gathering of the politician vultures... all making their statements.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:31am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:27am:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

I think this clown saw himself as striking the first blow, and stirring up both the Muslim community to some sort of jihad action by a few fools, and through encouraging a negative response from the general community, alienating and giving to Muslims further feelings of persecution to which they will respond, drawing them closer together in Islamism (sic) and creating jihadists out of some.

For Allah he was prepared to die if it would trigger the Great Islamist Revolt in Australia, Shaitan of The West.....

If this country attacks them, that will be the outcome this clown wanted.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:35am

...page kicker with entertainment... brought to you by Grappler Enterprises Inc in the interests of social and sexual purity.....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:37am

"Why was Mossad agent, Man Monis, given asylum in Australia".

The same reason the LibLabs let Nazi war criminals live the good life in Australia, whatever that reason was, I missed it, something to do with the law I think, the law that says even Nazi war criminals and Muslim terrorists have a right to citizenship and to keep it no matter what. Time that law was modified to exclude trouble makers

The power given to the Fed Parliament regarding migration is summed up by only two words in the Aust Constitution: "(xxvii) immigration and emigration;"

The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to: .....(xxvii) immigration and emigration;

These two words alone without any amendments is why there is so much discontent and discord about the LibLab immigration policy, there is simply too much power given to them. They can bring in who they like when they like rejecting all protests on matters of quality and quantity ... and on the other hand (emigration), they have the power the build a "Berlin" walls, if they so wish

So, the policy needs amending to something that makes sense

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:37am

Rider wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:12am:

I guess you'd prefer catholic priest.....but he wasnt was he?? He was a raghead muslim criminal who has caused mayhem in our country and caused the death of two innocent people we dont like him.

What that because he was a Muslim or despite him being a Muslim? Where in Islam is it said it's OK to "cause mayhem...and death..."? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:42am

"Why was Mossad agent, Man Monis, given asylum in Australia".

The same reason the LibLabs let Nazi war criminals live the good life in Australia, whatever that reason was, I missed it, something to do with the law I think, the law that says even Nazi war criminals and Muslim terrorists have a right to citizenship and to keep it no matter what. Time that law was modified to exclude trouble makers

The power given to the Fed Parliament regarding migration is summed up by only two words in the Aust Constitution: "(xxvii) immigration and emigration;"

The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to: .....(xxvii) immigration and emigration;

These two words alone without any amendments is why there is so much discontent and discord about the LibLab immigration policy, there is simply too much power given to them. They can bring in who they like when they like rejecting all protests on matters of quality and quantity ... and on the other hand (emigration), they have the power the build a "Berlin" walls, if they so wish

So, the policy needs amending to something that makes sense

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:44am

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:46am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:55am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

Most likely it was the spotter and not the shooter who called 'Hostage down' - media find it difficult to differentiate between the two... it could have happened so fast that the shooter did not have time to line up a shot and he could not take a shot that was not clear.

Wisdom after the event is never 100% - it is only flawed, and only the person on the spot can make the decision.... and then live with it.

In retrospect, with no bomb present, a sniper shot would be the best option early in the piece - but the police could not make that call while a bomb could have been there.

It just doesn't work that way in real life.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by SpecialShirtFront on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:47am

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Abbott wanted this to happen.

Are you actually retarded, or just trolling?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

But grap, doesn't it surprise you that they fired off a thousand or so rounds in a hostage situation? To my layman's ear, that sounds like overkill in the most literal sense of the word.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

If this country attacks them, that will be the outcome this clown wanted.

Wise words, grap.

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Where in Islam is it said it's OK to "cause mayhem...and death..."?

Ask Yadda. He's got a whole collection of gory verses he trots out at the drop of a hat. I believe they're a bit like the Old Testament -- gory and prone to be taken out of context.

Most Muslims look at them and go, yeah, different time, different place, different circumstances. F*wits like this bloke go - look, killing sanctioned by God. All infidel killing sanctioned by God!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:47am

... page kicker with a view... in order to establish moral superiority....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:49am

I'm only saying a thousand rounds - not sure how many - but it was one hell of a lot of automatic fire.... just a guess...

With all that lead flying around it's amazing there weren't more hit....

Suggestions that the amount of gunfire indicates this was a set-up scenario acted out by Mossad or whoever is silly.

Most fired on full auto... one on single shots.. one in short, discrete bursts of 3-4 rounds. The full auto would be to keep the bustard's head down... the real close-in shooters were the two experts with controlled fire...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:52am

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

So why were the authorities not watching this guy? Abbott must be tried for treason!

Hi, Matty! ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bias_2012 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:53am

Applying Alinski Rules Grappler ?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:57am

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:53am:

Applying Alinski Rules Grappler ?

Sort of....... pretty accurate.

I was more considering Skinski rules with those pictures...

Footnote:- Even though I may sound like I know everything - I don't.... I merely read it as I see it....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:38am

I don't think this guy was affiliated - he simply wished to stir up both sides....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:41am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:55am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

Great, suicide by police. Turning Terrorists into instant martyrs. But hostages alive! What happens if the rig themselves with a suicide vest with a "deadman's switch"? You shoot them, the pressure is released and BOOM! Up they and everybody else goes. Given that it has never happened here, you need some reliable evidence that it exists. Otherwise you hold off, hold off... and hostages get killed.

You're assuming they could see into the shop and that the gunman was so visible that they could get a clear shot. How do you know that was possible? Were you there? Of course bloody not. What I hate is people who were watching vicariously through their television telling people who were there what decision they should have made in hindsight, when they have no pressure and lives don't depend on their decisions. Idiot. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:42am

Who was protecting Man Haron Monis from the justice system. Why was he out on the streets with multiple charges against him?

How could this have happened without high collusion and perversion of justice system.

The judges that released him onto the streets need to justify their conduct.

1. How did he get a visa to Australia?
2. Who paid his legal fees in recent cases against him?
3. Why was he out on bail for very serious charges?
4. How did he get a gun and from whom?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:22pm

page kicker with class

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

bb - ISIS have declared Jihad against Western Countries.

It doesn't make a flying fig's difference whether we are in Iraq or not. ISIS wants all us infidels dead and their flag top fly over the planet.

Personally it will fly over my dead body.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:35pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:36pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Rider wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:12am:

I guess you'd prefer catholic priest.....but he wasnt was he?? He was a raghead muslim criminal who has caused mayhem in our country and caused the death of two innocent people we dont like him.

What that because he was a Muslim or despite him being a Muslim? Where in Islam is it said it's OK to "cause mayhem...and death..."? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

It's in the koran.
It's what moh did.
it's what isis and many other islamic groups do.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:37pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:43pm

6...this is getting difficult

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:47pm

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Hopefully. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Rider wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:12am:

I guess you'd prefer catholic priest.....but he wasnt was he?? He was a raghead muslim criminal who has caused mayhem in our country and caused the death of two innocent people we dont like him.

What that because he was a Muslim or despite him being a Muslim? Where in Islam is it said it's OK to "cause mayhem...and death..."? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

It's in the koran.
It's what moh did.
it's what isis and many other islamic groups do.

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Yes.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

*bump*

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:59pm

If it is flying over my dead body then there's every likelihood it will be flying over yours too Gregg, ISIS doesn't like people who play for the other team, they are a bit like the Nazis in that regard. :)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists,

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm

I feel sorry for the apologists, it has all turned out to be a bit inconvenient for them.

Though I noticed a lot of vitriol pointed at other posters in general and incredulity strained to the points of brains falling out for the temerity of even suggesting that an islamic flag might have something to do wiv islam.

All in all an interesting read of the various threads.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:14pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

page kicker with class

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

page kicker with class

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:18pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

page kicker with class

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

page kicker with class

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

If it walks like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist and acts like a terrorist chances are....... ::)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists ...

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:20pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

If it walks like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist and acts like a terrorist chances are....... ::)

... it's Sprint?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:24pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Islam is not a monolith. 8-)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists,

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

Your gear was especially funny...

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

2. How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:46pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists,

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

Your gear was especially funny...

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

2. How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag.

I can't take credit for that.

Chicken Lips first brought up the Catholic angle: "So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418600828/109#109

Try another one, see how you go ;)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists,

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

Your gear was especially funny...

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

2. How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag.

Yours is fine, after all it wasn't chicklips whose brains had leaked out.

"how do you know...?" ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

it wasn't chicklips whose brains had leaked out.

That would be impossible.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lady Lols on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:10pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Questions worth repeating, over and over.

And now that Katrina Dawson, being one of the deceased victims as a result of this, and also being of the legal fraternity (barrister/laywer), this should rock the legal system somewhat to make some serious reforms about our current laws in place that allow these troubled types, with serious charges, to walk freely amongst the rest of us >:(

Are we all sitting ducks here in the land of Oz? Seems that way of late.
Not acceptable.
We need answers to the above questions, and we need changes now!!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:12pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Islam is not a monolith. 8-)

Not it isn't. Never claimed it was. However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it? Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Meh, details :o. ...who needs em!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:21pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Islam is not a monolith. 8-)

Not it isn't. Never claimed it was. However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it? Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Totally agree.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists ...

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

You ain't waving you are drowning.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:26pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists ...

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

You ain't waving you are drowning.

Another criminal apologist?

They just keep coming.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists ...

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

You ain't waving you are drowning.

Another criminal apologist?

They just keep coming.

I am not sure if you misinterpretate for debate reasons or if you really do have comprehension issues. Either way you look like a clown when you do it.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:51pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists ...

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

You ain't waving you are drowning.

Another criminal apologist?

They just keep coming.

I am not sure if you misinterpretate for debate reasons or if you really do have comprehension issues.

Keep working on it then.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:13pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

gosh when did Abbott declare WAR on IRAQ...??

last I read from there they were begging us to go back and were angry the West left when they did..

maybe we are not talking about the SAME IRAQ???????/????????????????????????????? >:(

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I feel sorry for the apologists ...

Really? I certainly don't.

"If it wasn't for Islam he'd be a fine upstanding member of the community".

Crap. Stop making excuses for these criminals. Apologists.

I don't either.
i wish they'ld 'mature'.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:18pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

Abbott started bombing Iraq in October.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm

its gob smacking... a day that some folks will never get over happened in this fine country yesterday... sadly two people have died, leaving behind god only knows what......all for NOTHING as far as I can make out..

but dont let that get in the way of some who seem to have no idea at all about topic as serious and dreadful as we have just witnessed

lets unload personal abuse on each other and turn the thread into an all about MEEEE.......

you know who you are and you should be ashamed..

but dont worry I know you wont be.. your disgusting take your silliness off onto a MEEEE thread...where some of us who do care.. dont have to read..

you said no I said.... crap...

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Not it isn't. Never claimed it was. However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it? Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others

an extremist a fanatic a terrorist a psycho .....

they are from all walks of life and all cultures...

all they need is one tiny excuse...

its like jealousy and hate it knows no boundaries. has no skin colour or religion..

get used to it.. it doesnt really matter where a person is born....the damage is the same.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Redneck on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:35pm

Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis was released from custody on bail six days after controversial changes to the state's bail laws came into effect in May.

The NSW government has called for an investigation into why Monis "slipped through the cracks" of the judicial system and was released from custody.

It follows calls for the government to fast-track stricter bail laws in light of the tragedy.

Monis, who was shot dead by police in the early hours of Tuesday morning, was before the courts on two separate and serious matters: more than 40 sexual assault charges involving seven alleged victims and as an accessory to the murder of his former wife.

NSW Attorney-General Brad Hazzard said on Tuesday that stricter bail laws would take effect at the end of January, and it was "very unlikely" that Monis would have been released on bail had those rules been in place.

"This government changed the Bail Act to ensure greater safety for our community. It was changed to ensure that offenders involved in serious crime will not get bail," he said.

The Herald can reveal that Monis was initially refused bail on April 14 after being charged with three sexual assault offences allegedly committed against a woman in 2002.

He appeared in Kogarah Local Court under the name Mohammad Hassan Manteghi where magistrate Christine Haskett refused bail.

At the time, Monis was already on conditional bail granted on December 12, 2013. He had been charged with being an accessory before and after the fact to the murder of his former wife Noleen Hayson Pal in April 2013.

Monis did not apply for bail when he appeared in Parramatta Local Court on April 16 and continued to be remanded in custody.

On May 20, the state government introduced sweeping changes to bail laws, removing the decades old presumption against bail for a suite of serious offences.

Magistrates and judges were now to use a two-step test as to whether the accused posed an "unacceptable risk" of reoffending and whether the risk could be mitigated by bail conditions.

On May 26, Monis was granted bail at Parramatta Local Court by magistrate Joan Baptie.

Ms Baptie said she had identified two "unacceptable risks" – that Monis may endanger the safety of victims, individuals or the community, and that he may interfere with witnesses or evidence.

However, the magistrate granted him conditional bail, and reinstated the conditions placed on him in December 2013, including daily reporting to Campsie police station, surrendering his passport, not going within 500 metres of a point of overseas departure and not contacting "the prosecution witness".

Monis had to find a person to deposit $10,000 cash and was ordered to reside at an address in Wiley Park.

His partner, Amirah Droudis, was charged with Ms Pal's murder and was granted bail on the same conditions, although with a $100,000 surety.

Following the grant of bail in a series of high-profile cases including those of bikies Mahmoud "Mick" Hawi, Hassan "Sam" Ibrahim and accused wife-killer Steven Fesus, the Baird government announced in August that the laws would be toughened.

The changes come into effect on January 28, 2015; they include a revised test under which an accused person who is assessed as an "unacceptable risk" will be refused bail.

For serious offences, the onus will be on the accused to "show cause" why their detention in custody is not justified.

On October 10, Monis was charged with a further 40 sexual assault charges against six women. They included 22 counts of aggravated sexual assault, 14 counts of aggravated indecent assault, one count of aggravated act of indecency, one count of sexual assault and two counts of assault with act of indecency. The women were visiting him at Wentworthville where he was offering services as a "spiritual healer". His bail was continued by magistrate Dorelle Pinch.

He was due to appear in Penrith Local Court on Friday, December 12, but this date was vacated and changed to February 27, 2015.

On Tuesday, Mr Hazzard said the government would ask state and federal agencies to examine "how this offender slipped through the cracks".

"How did this offender not come to the attention of state and federal agencies ... what exactly did they miss?" he said.

Julia Quilter, senior lecturer at the University of Wollongong's School of Law said, under the "unacceptable risk" model, the magistrate hearing Monis' bail application could have refused bail, but chose to grant it.

"In retrospect we should have had alarm bells ringing about his unacceptable risks," she said.

"But the magistrate can't gaze into a crystal ball and know what's going to happen in the future."

Former NSW DPP Nicholas Cowdery said the new amendments would not have made any difference in Monis' case because the magistrate and the police were not aware of the "dark and evil" thoughts he must have been secretly harbouring.

"You can't legislate to deal with that. It doesn't matter how much you muck around with the laws, there are still going to be occasions - hopefully rare - where the justice system cannot see into the deep psyche of such a person."

[url]http://www.canberratimes.com.au/nsw/man-monis-granted-bail-six-days-after-controversial-

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:40pm

"... more than 40 sexual assault charges involving seven alleged victims and as an accessory to the murder of his former wife."

Out on bail?

Simply unbelievable.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:12am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:16am:

[

we continue to seek truth brother being ..

Many bessings.

You do not seek truth, you blindly jump to conclusions without any facts.

You are a troll.

Forgiven.

you are forgiven for slander

with so very much love as the truth shall continue to be revealed

without your approval

so be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by AYanker on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys. From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this. While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from. We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others. In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it. Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and collect fines.

You do not want this to become your daily reality. You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves. People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security. Don't fall for it. They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things. The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get. Shout them down. Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope.

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it. I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad. And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams. Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats. It never stops there. When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Aren't you lucky you live here Gregg and not in the Middle East. If those nasty little ISIS people got hold of you, you wouldn't be long for this world. Gay pride doesn't rate too high with Islam.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:50pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:52pm

Give up

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

you dont read too well do you.. :D

thats what I said... they dont have colour or religion or language....

they are usually full of hate....something isnt going their way...BOOM.. havent you ever noticed how some,on here have those problems....if someone disagrees with them they go on and on and on and on and on..

just as well they dont have a red button on their computers... ;) ;)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever. Well said Yank!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Islam is not a monolith. 8-)

Not it isn't. Never claimed it was. However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it? Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Totally agree.

What? OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Datalife? What are your demands? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

Abbott started bombing Iraq in October.

you didnt mention date or use a link....gosh must get my army kit out... I might be needed..what about you lefties.. all under the beds nice and snug with your white flags...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:34pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Islam is not a monolith. 8-)

Not it isn't. Never claimed it was. However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it? Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Totally agree.

What? OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Datalife? What are your demands? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

It is a consistent position I hold. If someone claims that they are a Muslim or Christian whilst head hacking in furtherance of a religious duty I am happy to accept them at their word.

It is not me that runs at a million miles an hour saying things like "they are not a reeeaaalllllll muslim". It's not a distinction I, and no doubt those whose heads are being removed could be bothered to take. I leave that for the back pedaling trick cyclists. 8-)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ColdFact on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad.

No you don't see. Australia is an extremely racially tolerant and integrated country. What you see is a tiny window of bigots and racists pounding away at KWERTY keyboards..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:51pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

you dont read too well do you.. :D

thats what I said... they dont have colour or religion or language....

Settle cods: I was agreeing with you.

That's why I started with "Bingo".

Bingo: "used to express satisfaction at a sudden positive event or outcome".

"a way to express a new idea, or an answer is correct."

"to do something with absolute accuracy"

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by longweekend58 on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever. Well said Yank!

really??? swat teams checking barber's licences? (which btw don't even exist). every email read? I think you swallowed a pile of BS rather too quickly.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:53pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

Abbott started bombing Iraq in October.

you didnt mention date or use a link....gosh must get my army kit out... I might be needed..what about you lefties.. all under the beds nice and snug with your white flags...

8th October 2014

"Iraq conflict: Australian Super Hornet drops two bombs on Islamic State targets in Iraq"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/australian-super-hornet-drops-two-bombs-on-is-targets/5800764

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:56pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Hi there havent seen you before and welcome..yes we have hit the world news for all the wrong reasons...which is the norm these days.. I agree for the most part with what you are saying.. I think if you can get a glimps of what is happening right now in Sydney where this took place you will a coming together people of all walks of life are there paying their respects.. there is not one sign of blame or HATE...just a sadness that is embracing everyone..perhaps it will also make your news.. I hope so.. we are a generous people we really are...we have our share of red necks and those who will never appreciate how lucky they are to live here..
like this man who hated the world by the sound of him...

but good will out live evil.. ayanker..dont ever give in to evil and HAte it is strong no doubt about that.. and I think thats the test we are set... to rise above it and conquer.. yes it does mean takingup arms sometimes...with those like ISIl words mean nothing...

if there is another way I am sure in time we will find it...

in the mean time.. dont let those who hate get to you..

I am sure there are more who love you

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Religion was the excuse he used yesterday.

He has an extensive list of criminal charges, and he was a nutter.

If Islam didn't exist, he would have used something else as an excuse to commit his crime yesterday.

Stop making excuses for criminals.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Redneck on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:02pm

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Aren't you lucky you live here Gregg and not in the Middle East. If those nasty little ISIS people got hold of you, you wouldn't be long for this world. Gay pride doesn't rate too high with Islam.

Settle down Red!

No need for that shiiiit!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Phemanderac on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

Well, you got your wish and then some. One would hope the lesson in this for you is be careful what you wish for...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Phemanderac on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

What was the link to "terrorism" again?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Phemanderac on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

Flip page

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

was it religion that made him kill his wife??[ alleged]

what about those 40 sexual charges... all in the name of religion???? :D

he completely changed the Quran..to mean what he chose for it to mean... you seem to be one of those that thinks what he did was all in the name of ISLAM.. >:( >:(

this guy was a fanatic...some one completely unreasonable he had made a decision about what he wanted and that was that... nothing would change his thinking...brainwashed I guess.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Aren't you lucky you live here Gregg and not in the Middle East. If those nasty little ISIS people got hold of you, you wouldn't be long for this world. Gay pride doesn't rate too high with Islam.

Settle down Red!

No need for that shiiiit!

Red likes to call people gay when he's backed into a corner.

For some reason, he thinks it's an insult.

(Just between you and me, I think it might be a fishing exercise)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

8th October 2014

"Iraq conflict: Australian Super Hornet drops two bombs on Islamic State targets in Iraq"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/australian-super-hornet-drops-two-bombs-on.

oph you mean when he was ASKED by the powers in IRAQ for help..

you call that WAR I see..

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

was it religion that made him kill his wife??[ alleged]

what about those 40 sexual charges... all in the name of religion???? :D

Bingo! (That means I agree with you, cods).

He was a criminal.

People need to stop making excuses for criminals.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:13pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

8th October 2014

"Iraq conflict: Australian Super Hornet drops two bombs on Islamic State targets in Iraq"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/australian-super-hornet-drops-two-bombs-on.

oph you mean when he was ASKED by the powers in IRAQ for help..

you call that WAR I see..

No. I didn't say anything about war.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqb3yk_xjXI

Aussie Siege To Justify ISIS Ground War

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Soren on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Why does Islam lend itself to 7 murders an hour, but not other religions? The data gathered by the BBC found that 5,042 people were killed in 664 jihadist attacks across 14 countries - a daily average of 168 deaths, or seven every hour.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-30080914

What would the numbers be like if it wasn't the religion of peace??

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:05pm

Quote:

Why does Islam lend itself to 7 murders an hour, but not other religions? The data gathered by the BBC found that 5,042 people were killed in 664 jihadist attacks across 14 countries - a daily average of 168 deaths, or seven every hour.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-30080914

What would the numbers be like if it wasn't the religion of peace??

many blessings

how many civilians has the US killed ... without any allies ..just the US

lets begin at hiroshima and nagasaki ...

then count from there

your ignorance is forgiven self confessed masonic

so be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by BachToTheFuture on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

your ignorance is forgiven self confessed masonic

Ex-Master light, have you uncovered any links betwixt the gunman and the free masons? Would you kindly share them?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Gnads on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

He's not "just" a criminal.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Gnads on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

bump

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Gnads on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

bump

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Soren on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:22pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

species 8472 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

A current event with people's lives in genuine danger and there is still gutless trolls on this forum that have the nerve to make light of the situation and drag the discussion off course.

lol here is the co intel pro dejure ..

this is a clear inside job

drills were conducted 1 year ago

namaste

You are having one
of
your incredibly painful
and
sad dry wanks.

Stay under the
copper
pyramid.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:24pm

Sydney siege ends: gunman inspired by IS but driven by personal crises

Politically motivated Islamist terrorist or a disturbed individual consumed by personal crises looking to end his life in a blaze of publicity?

Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis was a combination of both.

But his late conversion to the brutal interpretation of Sunni Islam popularised by Islamic State and the manner of his attack suggests to terrorism analysts that he had few, if any, deep connections to IS, also known as ISIL.

"This is a person in personal crisis, at the end of his tether. He was looking for attention and a way out," said Adam Dolnik from the University of Wollongong, a terrorism analyst who has advised more than 50 governments on counter-terrorism and hostage negotiations.

"It wasn't unlike most of the hostage situations that police deal with that don't involve politically-motivated violence."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-siege-ends-gunman-inspired-by-is-but-driven-by-personal-crises-20141216-1288af.html

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:28pm

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Why does Islam lend itself to 7 murders an hour, but not other religions?

Probably because it's a particularly stupid religion.

Now, how about you stop making excuses for particularly stupid and violent criminals.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30pm

Why should he, you make excuses for your particularly stupid posts.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Gnads on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm

Répétition - he's not just a criminal.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Why should he, you make excuses for your particularly stupid posts.

Ah, another criminal apologist.

The list is growing.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:33pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Répétition - he's not just a criminal.

Indeed.

He was also a violent nutter.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Quote:

can you count ?

you evade the question

this is a steriotypical masonic response

you have been exposed

and forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Why should he, you make excuses for your particularly stupid posts.

Ah, another criminal apologist.

The list is growing.

Ah another RETARD the Tumor is growing

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

Lobo wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

many blessings

the media is attempting to spin it that way

yet many are watching now ... footy season is over

and as such all eyes on point now ...

this fiasco and false flag is unravelling very quickly

some religious zealots are in discomfort ..

so be it

namaste

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Datalife on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Aren't you lucky you live here Gregg and not in the Middle East. If those nasty little ISIS people got hold of you, you wouldn't be long for this world. Gay pride doesn't rate too high with Islam.

Settle down Red!

No need for that shiiiit!

Red likes to call people gay when he's backed into a corner.

For some reason, he thinks it's an insult.

(Just between you and me, I think it might be a fishing exercise)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Well, gweggowy, if you don’t think it is true then you think what you want.

I'd think it were true if you could provide the proof.

"It’s like gravity or time - you just know it" doesn't really cut it with me, I'm sorry.

If that were the case, I could say "Soren, Data and Longy are gay lovers (not that there's anything wrong with that) who often invite underage boys into their basement on Sunday nights" and never be challenged on it, just by saying "It’s like gravity or time - you just know it.".

Not that I would say such a thing, of course.

Let me know if you come up with something, though. I'll be here.

Oh the ironing.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Why should he, you make excuses for your particularly stupid posts.

Ah, another criminal apologist.

The list is growing.

Ah another RETARD the Tumor is growing

Oh dear.

Is it a brain tumor that ails you?

There's sure to be plenty of room for it to grow, so you can probably put off that trip to the doctor for a few months.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Sounds fairly mild compared to the million Iraqis killed by Bush and Howard.

Perhaps we can spare a thought for the 50 million Christians killed by other Christians during WWI or the 30 million Christians killed by other Christians in WWII.

Christians have killed at least 100 million in the past century.

Which religion is the "death cult"?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Why should he, you make excuses for your particularly stupid posts.

Ah, another criminal apologist.

The list is growing.

So is your nose.

#Zit

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:48pm

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

because it is a belief of extremism.

the muzzies here display that well

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:39pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

Abbott started bombing Iraq in October.

Lol, all the right wing kids are getting off the crack and signing up today says cods ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Why should he, you make excuses for your particularly stupid posts.

Ah, another criminal apologist.

The list is growing.

I wasn't apologizing for you.

Cheers

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:52am

Take pause to think about your family and how lucky you are to have them, cherish them and put the minor things in the bin where they belong.

The outpouring of love in the form of floral tributes at Martin Place says it all.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ColdFact on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am

Lobo wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Just how do you get one of these 'counter-terrorism and hostage negotiations' jobs? I'm looking for a bit of extra pocket money.

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing. Supposedly ASIO had a file on him; he was reporting to the police every day. Even the Muslim community had warned the government about him as early as 2007 and again in 2008.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:20am

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Lobo wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

mmmm.....it looks like our protectors have been slack (to say the least). Close the gate after the horse has bolted.

Too much cigars and champagne and not enough time spent on the job?????? I worked alongside the ASIO blokes in the eighties, that's when ASIO was a secret (sssshhhhhhh) they were definitely rejects from somewhere, no one could figure out where though. The mental hospitals were closed down around that time......maybe?

If we are relying on these people for our security....God help us!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:22am

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:52am:

Good, good red. Have you taken the flag down yet? You didn't bin it, surely?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:14am

There are two facets - counter-terrorism and anti-terrorism....

...counter is like a chess game in that moves are made to block and curtail opportunity for the opposing player...

....anti is direct action as demonstrated in police actions direct and CQB etc.

It appears to me that the dividing lack of lines between the two need to be resolved here and clear lines of responsibility and communication established.

That has nothing to do with metadata retention or anything - it is purely ensuring that the appropriate bureaucracies co-operate and share and understand their areas of both individual responsibility and to share properly and fully.

Clear lines of control and communication and command.

This is the same dilemna that lead to the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency in the US.. still struggling to get it right, and still divided into petty 'turfs'.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:17am

page kicker with a bit of class and entertainment

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Rocketanski on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:17am

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Islam. A couple of your followers just killed 145 children in a school. That same thing happened in Russia. Muslims have killed millions of other muslims.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:49pm

I am in no way having a shot at Gregg's sexuality. Not on your life, I totally accept an individual's right to their own preferences in life.

I am merely pointing out a sold gold fact the Islam doesn't tolerate homosexuality, that doesn't mean I agree with it, I don't!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:49pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

5 (bloody hell Harry!)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:51pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:26pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Islam. A couple of your followers just killed 145 children in a school. That same thing happened in Russia. Muslims have killed millions of other muslims.

So how many school kids were killed by Christians in Hiroshima? Or is the number just too big to bother counting?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ColdFact on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

Dear John (Oh how I hate to write...) I'll let you go away and think about that comment.
Of course your rationale here is that lunatics -- even those reported to the government as having fake credentials and spreading anit-Islamic messages -- even those convicted of behaving offensively to Australian military personnel et al, even those recently advertising on their websites that that have converted to a radical persuasion; even those who have had a somewhat questionable relationship with the Iranian Intelligence and are wanted by Interpol; even those required to report to the police every day -- shouldn't be the concern of counter-terrorism experts -- that is until they are involved in acts of terrorism. Is that it John?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

exactly ... good to see you keeping up

Sincerely
Agony Aunt

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:55pm

Why was that freak let out on bail?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Why was that freak let out on bail?

Because he was entitled to it, and if the NSW Attorney General was unhappy with the Magistrate's decision to bail, then he could have appealed. That he did not appeal tells all. Move on from the 'bail' non issue, and ask why Abbott's spooks did not have this loonie on a very tight rein. It's not as though they did not have the resources given the gazillions Abbott handed over to them recently.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

It's still not clear how the hostages died. Did Monis do it?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Good, honest post AYanker.....we follow the USA 100%, in fact we are the 51st state, if it happened there two or three years ago, it's more than likely happening here right now.

I see your government turning on their own, and whilst they have a lot of opposition, it's not enough. Nothing short of a revolution will stop the rot.

We are starting to get anti government activist groups, but we are predominantly lazy and Aussies don't really like to make a noise. Like you guys, we are losing one freedom after another, the freedoms we fought for over the last century as a developing nation.......all going and being replaced with draconian laws placed to make us compliant to leaders that would like to see us kissing their rs's rather than trying to get the country back on its feet.

Personally, I think it's too late for your country and mine, the damage has been done over many decades, the sheeples are brainwashed, but thanks for the warning. Take care.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

6....lol!!!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by AYanker on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever. Well said Yank!

really??? swat teams checking barber's licenses? (which btw don't even exist). every email read? I think you swallowed a pile of BS rather too quickly.

[washingtonpost DOT COM]/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/19/federal-appeals-court-stop-using-swat-style-raids-for-regulatory-inspections/

[washingtonpost DOT COM]/opinions/katrina-vanden-heuvel-obama-should-offer-clemency-to-edward-snowden/2014/10/27/b233b054-5dfe-11e4-91f7-5d89b5e8c251_story.html

Sir, a simple Google search would reveal this information; you can find it anywhere. I don't want to digress from the topic at hand, though. I'm just hoping that Australians don't, as we Americans say, "drink the koolaid" offered by people who will capitalize on this push their anti-[insert race/ethnicity here] agenda. This is the perfect time for them to strike, and it will ruin you if you buy it.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

7....bwahahahaha!!!!!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Dame Pansi on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:02pm

8

FREEEEEDIVEEEEEER!!!!!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm

I have heard from a reliable source that the male died whilst wrestling with Monis, apparently Monis got control of the fight with Tori Johnson, beat the sh.t out of him then blew him away. I have also heard that Katrina Dawson died from a shotgun blast. The Police did not have shotguns.

No 'fatal' shots from friendly fire.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:25pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Fair enough Mr Baron, but it needs to be pointed out that your 'reliable sources' have let you down badly in the past here at OzPol.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:38pm

I'm hearing that this criminal had a gun licence.

Shurely shome mishtake.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:45pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever. Well said Yank!

really??? swat teams checking barber's licenses? (which btw don't even exist). every email read? I think you swallowed a pile of BS rather too quickly.

longweekend doesn't do Google....

;)

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

That's what 7 news were spouting.

I'll wait for official confirmation, myself.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

I'm hearing that this criminal had a gun licence.

Shurely shome mishtake.

Some letter writer in the Daily Terror was saying that the shotty was "legally modified'...

So it could be hidden in a back-pack.

:D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:54pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

8

FREEEEEDIVEEEEEER!!!!!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:55pm

I give up..... :P :P :P :P :P

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Even if that is true, how do we know that the woman was not shot by Tori accidentally as he grabbed the gun from Monis?

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

No 'fatal' shots from friendly fire.

I am calling bs on that one. No fatal shots? Who killed Monis then?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

I'm hearing that this criminal had a gun licence.

Shurely shome mishtake.

Nah. Link.

Such a licence would be issued by the State Government. It matters not much when he got that Licence as that may have occurred when he had not shown himself to be a retarded ferking lunatic BUT......how on Earth a Liberal Government in NSW allowed him to RETAIN it after all the serious and suggestive conduct is just beyond bizarre!

Where will the buck stop, huh?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

so who killed Monis.???

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

I'm hearing that this criminal had a gun licence.

Shurely shome mishtake.

Just confirmed on 10 news....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:03pm

Page still not turning....

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:03pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

It's still not clear how the hostages died. Did Monis do it?

in a word YES.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:04pm

Well, I'll be hornswoggled....

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ian on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:06pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Listen, Yank w@nker, you have no idea about Australia. Immigrants are treated very well compared to your bastion of democracy, despite which australians are among the least racist in the world. so shut your mouth and crawl back into your hole.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:08pm

Lobo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

I'm hearing that this criminal had a gun licence.

Shurely shome mishtake.

Just confirmed on 10 news....

Surely Abbott stuffed up.

He could not possibly have a gun licence.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/17/16/13/sydney-siege-gunman-man-horan-monis-had-a-gun-licence

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:16pm

Here we go again.....

1

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:19pm

Don't know if anyone else has posted this, as freaking page will NOT turn.

But.....
Abbott was just on teev stating that one person MAY have been hit by friendly fire.

Will wait for confirmation.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ColdFact on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:21pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

exactly ... good to see you keeping up

Sincerely
Agony Aunt

Yes it's important to be able to discern an act of lunacy from a real-world situation. I've already expressed an interest in counter-terrorism consultancy -- looks like a piece of cake. You may find a vocation in counter-lunacy consultancy. So what do you make of this guy; should he be on the watch list?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyWzk31p3lk

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:28pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Why was that freak let out on bail?

Then the the NSW Attorney General must resign in disgrace.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Team Froggie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:28pm

99,999,999,999,999.
This will probably cop me an automated warning for spamming....

:D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by perceptions_now on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:42pm

I would suggest there are a few "unanswered" questions AND that we may never get answers!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:59pm

The press conference was a disgrace. It was a recreation of Jo Bjelke Petersons feed the chooks.

The Australian press are a blathering disgrace. No tough questions.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:08pm

Aussie, you also know that when I have been wrong I have fallen on my sword and apologised with out reservation.

All I can say is that I consider my source on this reliable.

I would hate to state something that would be wrong in such a matter as this. However for what it is worth, that is what I have been told went down. I have been told more but I am not saying anymore than this. I am only saying this; as posters seem to be creeping towards 'friendly fire' killing one or both of the hostages. This IS NOT what I have heard.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:16pm

Channel 9 6.15PM News have just confirmed that Tori Johnson was executed by a single shot to the head from Monis.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:

Channel 9 6.15PM News have just confirmed that Tori Johnson was executed by a single shot to the head from Monis.

And what is their source? And....what did they say about the other person. If nothing, does that not send you a message?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

Aussie, sometimes I wonder just how much Criminal Law you practised.

Use your noggin old son. The POLICE gave Channel 9 permission to broadcast that news, where do you think it came from in the beak of a dove?

On question 2, Channel 9 reported that ballistic tests have to be carried out in relation to the second death. I have already stated that both deaths came as the result of injuries sustained by a shotgun blast, one directly the other one indirectly, cryptic but that's all you're going to get.

Do you ever sit down to watch the News? Do you have a TV?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

youtube.com/watch?v=dyWzk31p3lk

Can we stop posting videos of Liberal voters please?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by bb on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Oh well, then if TV said it...then it must be true?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Aussie on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

So, you need ballistics to determine if someone was blown away by shotgun, or killed by rifle fire? I have enough TVs in my Home, and have shot both to know that any amateur would know whether I had been hit by a shotgun blast or a rifle discharge.

But, then again, it ain't me making the announcements. I'll wait to see what emerges in the cold light of day. Until then, I use my right to question/comment. Okay?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Kat on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:48pm

ian wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Why should he?

Everything he says is essentially correct.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:49pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

If Red Baron fell on its sword every time it was wrong it would be as full of holes as its arguments.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

Laugh - You say a lot on this site and most of it is first class crap. And you never ever say you're wrong because you my boy are the second coming and are never wrong - except when you are wrong, which is most of the time peanut.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:17pm

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Thank you darling for the compliments. This is the only time I have known you to be right. It must be the light penetrating your flesh through the holes sanitizing your soul.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Neferti on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:19pm

cods is, apparently, having problems posting in this thread. ;D ;D

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418798026/2#2

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:20pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

cods is, apparently, having problems posting in this thread. ;D ;D

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418798026/2#2

thanks for your concern nef...I think

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:23pm

CODS is correct. This string has been experiencing constipation for 3 days. Does Doctor Brown Finger have an alibi?

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:24pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

oh god spare us.. not another gweggy ::) ::) ::)pullllllllllleeeeeeeeeeaaassssssse...

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:24pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

CODS is correct. This string has been experiencing constipation for 3 days. Does Doctor Brown Finger have an alibi?

thanks dont tell nef... she thinks she fixed it.. shhhhhh

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:27pm

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:42pm:

I would suggest there are a few "unanswered" questions AND that we may never get answers!

wow...not fence sitting by any chance there perc???

;D ;D

maybe we should get in the team from CSI they get their answers in a hour..and they always get their man..

always.. no ifs or buts.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 6:36pm

Well Laugh, aren't you just lucky you have me to set the record straight here and there when the bullshite reaches epic proportions which is sure as hell has on this subject.

By the way thanks for the compliment, only too happy to be of service, second coming. :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Lionel Edriess on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Kat wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

ian wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Why should he?

Everything he says is essentially correct.

I agree.

To you, AYanker, I lifts me lid! Welcome and thank you for your input

We are fortunate in this country to possess a quite formidable fence around it, unlike yours.

And ian, unfortunately your comment indicates the knee-jerk, defensive response that is all too common in this forum. You have failed to take into consider the differences between the two extant countries, especially their respective histories. You also failed to acknowledge the spirit in which the commentary was given and the thought that went into a considered opinion.

It amuses me when I read all this commentary about the perpetrator of this atrocity. All the speculations about how he was able to walk out of possible detention, how he should have been marked as a person of interest, his mental state, how he got a gun, whether he had a licence, the introspection regarding his history, etc, etc, etc.

Everybody seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room.

Islam.

Muslims have nothing to do with this event.

The motivation came from Islam, nowhere else.

1/01/1915 is the 100th anniversary of the Broken Hill incident.

And what was the motivation there?

Just sayin'.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

Lobo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever. Well said Yank!

really??? swat teams checking barber's licenses? (which btw don't even exist). every email read? I think you swallowed a pile of BS rather too quickly.

longweekend doesn't do Google....

;)

he doesn't do 'facts' either :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:18pm

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

exactly ... good to see you keeping up

Sincerely
Agony Aunt

you think everyone on a watch list is a terrorist? Australia had thousands on their watch list, the USA millions ....

oh no ... lets all hide!

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Soren on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Why does Islam lend itself to 7 murders an hour, but not other religions?

Probably because it's a particularly stupid religion.

Why are we letting in its adherents, then?

Because it's not 'illegal' to be particularly stupid - which is also your great good fortune.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by ColdFact on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 6:45am

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

exactly ... good to see you keeping up

Sincerely
Agony Aunt

you think everyone on a watch list is a terrorist? Australia had thousands on their watch list, the USA millions ....

oh no ... lets all hide!

Speaking of watch-lists. Excuse me if I unsubscribe from your forthcoming informative and prolific posts. G'bye.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 6:49am

This is a copy of News on Yahoo website this morning. I feel I can now say that Katrina Dawson is alleged to have been shot in shoulder by Monis and died in hospital of a subsequent heart attack.

Yahoo News this morning :

Cafe hostages Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson were reportedly shot by Man Haron Monis moments before police stormed the shop and killed the gunman in a hail of gunfire.

Mr Johnson was shot by Monis at close range, according to the Nine Network, while News Corp Australia reports Ms Dawson was struck in the body by the self-proclaimed Islamic cleric who had held them and 15 others hostage in the Lindt cafe in central Sydney for more than 16 hours.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by life_goes_on on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:02am

During the hour or so in between making the gunman's name public - although it was known for quite some time before - and the time when it all went pear shaped, it got reported on both the ABC and on one of the commercial talk backs that the gunman had made demands in relation to his previous treatment in jail and that was basically his major gripe and motivation.

I have no idea how accurate that was. The ABC coverage was pretty shameful - they actually seemed disappointed that it wasn't going to keep on going into Tuesday and really wanted it to be much bigger than it was. I think several junior "reporters" thought they were about to have their "Oh, the humanity!" moment of fame.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 11:21am

Life_goes_on wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

Thats what happens when the ABC suffers cuts and all the senior journalists are fired. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 11:26am

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Why does Islam lend itself to 7 murders an hour, but not other religions?

Probably because it's a particularly stupid religion.

Why are we letting in its adherents, then?

Because it's not 'illegal' to be particularly stupid - which is also your great good fortune.

Section 116 of the Constitution of Australia.

Christianity is also a particularly stupid religion: we let them in.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by John Smith on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am

ColdFact wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 6:45am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing

why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.

exactly ... good to see you keeping up

Sincerely
Agony Aunt

you think everyone on a watch list is a terrorist? Australia had thousands on their watch list, the USA millions ....

oh no ... lets all hide!

Speaking of watch-lists. Excuse me if I unsubscribe from your forthcoming informative and prolific posts. G'bye.

unsubscribe away .... :D :D

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 11:56am

Aussie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

The coroner's report should tell all - unless some want to start down the old conspiracy trail of the Coroner covering up for police..... ho hum..

I say wait for the report.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by red baron on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Only trouble there Bach is that Muslims have infiltrated the ranks of bikies in huge numbers, they would most probably be welcomed by the bikies in prison.

Title: Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Post by The Grappler (ordinary) on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 2:54pm

Page kicker with entertainment - I coulda sworn I posted and it didn't show yet.. lift that cotton an' kick that page..... Leadbelly....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q46ZKx6oCE