Live: Hostages held in siege in Martin Place

Updated 3 minutes agoMon 15 Dec 2014, 10:41am

A number of hostages have been taken in a siege underway in Sydney's CBD.

At least three people can be seen through the windows of a cafe in Martin Place with their hands raised.

Well, I hope those wannabe ISIL frontbottoms get their heads chopped off.

It's time to stop funding religious schools and start taxing religious institutions !!!

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

It's time to stop funding religious schools and start taxing religious institutions !!!

......including the climate church and the socialist church (AKA Trade Unions)

AGW is scientific fact not a religion.

Oh no you're not. If you want another global warming thread, bugger off and make one.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

It's time to stop funding religious schools and start taxing religious institutions !!!

Hi Nail,
It's time to bring back the rope:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJqIbHT1-lM

Swagman wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 10:10am: It's time to stop funding religious schools and start taxing religious institutions !!! ......including the climate church and the socialist church (AKA Trade Unions)

No lets ban aborts church of pedophilia !!

Swagman wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 10:10am: It's time to stop funding religious schools and start taxing religious institutions !!! ......including the climate church and the socialist church (AKA Trade Unions)

And the fanatical businessperson's unions, such as the chambers of commerce and business council of Aust

This will not end well.....These terrorists know their life is over and will not go down without a fight.....Lets hope the hostages all get out safely and no one gets hurt but it does not look good!!!

:( :( :(

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

This will not end well.....These terrorists know their life is over and will not go down without a fight.....Lets hope the hostages all get out safely and no one gets hurt but it does not look good!!!

Fingers crossed.

Perhaps Kochie could offer himself in exchange for the hostages.

This is why Labor and Liberal parties didn't want a parliamentary debate on their war mongering in the middle east. They didn't want to discuss the consequences of their actions via bringing their war to Australia.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

This will not end well.....These terrorists know their life is over and will not go down without a fight.....Lets hope the hostages all get out safely and no one gets hurt but it does not look good!!! :( :( :(

Really.  It is looking very good.

Bloody pathetic media.  ABC TV now saying that the arrest (which I was referring to) in not directly connected to the siege.

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Really.  It is looking very good.

Oh yes, it's the best thing that's happened all year.


greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

Perhaps Kochie could offer himself in exchange for the hostages.

That would certainly by Christmas come early.

As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby?

May we all join hands and pray that the police are sensitive to the cultural differences and prepared to workshop creative solutions in an inclusive and mutually respectful atmosphere.

May we also pray that monkey doesn’t make this situation worse. Slim hope I know.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby?

You have clearly never visited the Lindt cafe. It is a landmark. An icon. Whenever I'm in Sydney, I say -- hey, let's go to Darling Harbour and visit the Lindt cafe (different branch, same quality).

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

May we also pray that monkey doesn’t make this situation worse. Slim hope I know.

Joe probably organized it to take the attention away from MYEFO.

I can see tomorrow's headlines. "Muslims concerned about backlash from yesterday's hostage incident"

The news reporting is very amateur.

How many hostage-takers are there?

Have they made any demands yet?

Are the police in commucation with them on their mobiles?

Has a car parked in the neighbourhood been traced to them?

Have the police vetted the CCTVs in the area?

Master herbert,

They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one.

Send 'em both in.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. Send 'em both in.

;D

The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby?

Which building is likely to be easier to gain access to by terrorists? A cafe or the Reserve Bank of Australia? God, you're a m-o-r-o-n!!! ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

The news reporting is very amateur. How many hostage-takers are there? Have they made any demands yet? Are the police in commucation with them on their mobiles? Has a car parked in the neighbourhood been traced to them? Have the police vetted the CCTVs in the area?

Simon Bouda from CH9 said they're being VERY careful on what they say about what they see happening outside because it's believed that the gunman inside is watching news telecasts of this incident and they don't want to tip off the gunman by broadcasting Police movements.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:42am: The news reporting is very amateur. How many hostage-takers are there? Have they made any demands yet? Are the police in commucation with them on their mobiles? Has a car parked in the neighbourhood been traced to them? Have the police vetted the CCTVs in the area? Simon Bouda from CH9 said they're being VERY careful on what they say about what they see happening outside because it's believed that the gunman inside is watching news telecasts of this incident and they don't want to tip off the gunman by broadcasting Police movements.

Do you ever work?  ;)

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. Send 'em both in. ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in.

I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott.

If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:16pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:42am: The news reporting is very amateur. How many hostage-takers are there? Have they made any demands yet? Are the police in commucation with them on their mobiles? Has a car parked in the neighbourhood been traced to them? Have the police vetted the CCTVs in the area? Simon Bouda from CH9 said they're being VERY careful on what they say about what they see happening outside because it's believed that the gunman inside is watching news telecasts of this incident and they don't want to tip off the gunman by broadcasting Police movements. Do you ever work?  ;)

Not when I've got the next three weeks off over Xmas, no.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:32am: As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby? Which building is likely to be easier to gain access to by terrorists? A cafe or the Reserve Bank of Australia? God, you're a m-o-r-o-n!!! ::)

Anybody carrying a kalashnikov can probably get into any building he wants.

The speaker I referred to mentioned a likely target was a place that carried authority, the RBA or some of the other buildings in/around Martin Place.

I am getting rather tired of the abuse from the right whingers here and will refer any further abuse to 2-3 Mods—fair warning!

Karnal wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. It's his policy that caused this, least he could do is swap himself for hostages , the coward will be on TV instead ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in. I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott. If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water.

Its time wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:19pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. It's his policy that caused this, least he could do is swap himself for hostages , the coward will be on TV instead ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in. I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott. If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water.

Thank you for your wise words, suppository. You added a lot to the discussion with that last post.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:14pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:32am: As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby? Which building is likely to be easier to gain access to by terrorists? A cafe or the Reserve Bank of Australia? God, you're a m-o-r-o-n!!! ::) Anybody carrying a kalashnikov can probably get into any building he wants. The speaker I referred to mentioned a likely target was a place that carried authority, the RBA or some of the other buildings in/around Martin Place. I am getting rather tired of the abuse from the right whingers here and will refer any further abuse to 2-3 Mods—fair warning!

Reports indicate he is armed with a shotgun, not an AK-47. Also, terrorists traditionally attack softer targets to increase their chances of success. Stop trying to pass yourself off as an expert, ok?

Thanks for the lack of abuse.

I am not trying to pass myself off as an expert, I was quoting someone on ABC24 earlier.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

I am not trying to pass myself off as an expert, I was quoting someone on ABC24 earlier.

Ok StG, but next time you're quoting someone, accepted practice is to:

1. Use the quote tags, and
2. Provide a link

Otherwise, people think you're writing what you think.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:19pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. It's his policy that caused this, least he could do is swap himself for hostages , the coward will be on TV instead ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in. I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott. If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water. Thank you for your wise words, suppository. You added a lot to the discussion with that last post.

That's right. All Mr Abbott has to do is talk some sense into these fellows and get them to release the hostages. Maybe he can give them a helicopter or something to make their gettaway.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:29pm: I am not trying to pass myself off as an expert, I was quoting someone on ABC24 earlier. Ok StG, but next time you're quoting someone, accepted practice is to: 1. Use the quote tags, and 2. Provide a link Otherwise, people think you're writing what you think.

And I usually do, but a bit hard to do that with a conversation over the TV  ;) I did mention I was quoting someone.

Karnal wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:25pm: Its time wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:19pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. It's his policy that caused this, least he could do is swap himself for hostages , the coward will be on TV instead ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in. I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott. If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water. Thank you for your wise words, suppository. You added a lot to the discussion with that last post. That's right. All Mr Abbott has to do is talk some sense into these fellows and get them to release the hostages. Maybe he can give them a helicopter or something to make their gettaway.

Yes, I just watched him on TV.  His UUUMMMMss EEEERRRRsss AHHHHHHs were quite well controlled, and his tongue only lolled around twice,   They must have given him a good dose of Phenergon.  No "S$it happens" slipped out either!

What at tall glass of water Karnal, what a tall glass

Vic wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:34pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:25pm: Its time wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:19pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. It's his policy that caused this, least he could do is swap himself for hostages , the coward will be on TV instead ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in. I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott. If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water. Thank you for your wise words, suppository. You added a lot to the discussion with that last post. That's right. All Mr Abbott has to do is talk some sense into these fellows and get them to release the hostages. Maybe he can give them a helicopter or something to make their gettaway. Yes, I just watched him on TV.  His UUUMMMMss EEEERRRRsss AHHHHHHs were quite well controlled, and his tongue only lolled around twice,   They must have given him a good dose of Phenergon.  No "S$it happens" slipped out either! What at tall glass of water Karnal, what a tall glass

You need a life.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:14pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:32am: As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby? Which building is likely to be easier to gain access to by terrorists? A cafe or the Reserve Bank of Australia? God, you're a m-o-r-o-n!!! ::) Anybody carrying a kalashnikov can probably get into any building he wants. The speaker I referred to mentioned a likely target was a place that carried authority, the RBA or some of the other buildings in/around Martin Place. I am getting rather tired of the abuse from the right whingers here and will refer any further abuse to 2-3 Mods—fair warning!

Quote:

............I am getting rather tired of the abuse from the right whingers here and will refer any further abuse to 2-3 Mods—fair warning......

very good idea

Abbott actually spoke pretty well, for once he must have listened to the briefings.

There, I said it and I think he is a destructive monkey but today he did good.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

And I usually do, but a bit hard to do that with a conversation over the TV  Wink I did mention I was quoting someone.

Touche.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:14pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:32am: As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby? Which building is likely to be easier to gain access to by terrorists? A cafe or the Reserve Bank of Australia? God, you're a m-o-r-o-n!!! ::) Anybody carrying a kalashnikov can probably get into any building he wants.

Who said he has an AK47?

If you want to own an AK47 you have to move to where they are allowed which would be just about anywhere n the Middle east.

The Americans can't even buy an AK47 for self defence yet an Iraqi in Iraq can.

They are poo rifles, they shoot a rainbow trajectory and my .243AI probably hits much harder while shooting much flatter.

6MOA accuracy means it could hit about 2ft away from where you were aiming at 400yards.

The reports I have heard mention shotgun and pistol, I wonder if he has a license for them and are they registered.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

6MOA accuracy means it could hit about 2ft away from where you were aiming at 400yards.

Which would be of great comfort to someone with one pressed into his neck, I'm sure.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Abbott actually spoke pretty well, for once he must have listened to the briefings.

What briefings?

The news hasn't changed for hours now.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

The reports I have heard mention shotgun and pistol, I wonder if he has a license for them and are they registered.

If not, he could be up for a few hundred dollars in fines.

This could be a bad day for him.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:17pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:16pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:42am: The news reporting is very amateur. How many hostage-takers are there? Have they made any demands yet? Are the police in commucation with them on their mobiles? Has a car parked in the neighbourhood been traced to them? Have the police vetted the CCTVs in the area? Simon Bouda from CH9 said they're being VERY careful on what they say about what they see happening outside because it's believed that the gunman inside is watching news telecasts of this incident and they don't want to tip off the gunman by broadcasting Police movements. Do you ever work?  ;) Not when I've got the next three weeks off over Xmas, no.

lucky

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:29pm: The reports I have heard mention shotgun and pistol, I wonder if he has a license for them and are they registered. If not, he could be up for a few hundred dollars in fines. This could be a bad day for him.

I think the baron's point is about the effectiveness of gun control laws in preventing crime, greg. Although I stand to be corrected.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one.

Nah!!
Send my daughter in.

Anyone that gets between her and a Chocolate Hit is dead meat......

;)

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:47pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:29pm: The reports I have heard mention shotgun and pistol, I wonder if he has a license for them and are they registered. If not, he could be up for a few hundred dollars in fines. This could be a bad day for him. I think the baron's point is about the effectiveness of gun control laws in preventing crime, greg. Although I stand to be corrected.

Is he carrying his ammo in a locked container that is separate from the firearms?

Does he have a safe to keep these firearms in that has been inspected by the Police?

If he has a hunting license he can only shoot on rural zoned land,if he has a target shooting license he can only shoot at police approved firing ranges.

He has broken many laws already,if he was a white bogan he would be in serious trouble, as peccahead pointed out being a muslim means a slap on the wrist will be appropriate.

Actually, Peta sorry Tony, is sending the Bishops in.  If Julie wearing her prossie boots and sporting black eyes wont make them give in then our Speaker,Brownyn Bishop, can order them to leave the chamber under Section 99

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:29pm: The reports I have heard mention shotgun and pistol, I wonder if he has a license for them and are they registered. If not, he could be up for a few hundred dollars in fines. This could be a bad day for him.

If not, he''ll have to abort this operation and nick down to the police station and do the paper work.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:47pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 1:29pm: The reports I have heard mention shotgun and pistol, I wonder if he has a license for them and are they registered. If not, he could be up for a few hundred dollars in fines. This could be a bad day for him. I think the baron's point is about the effectiveness of gun control laws in preventing crime, greg. Although I stand to be corrected. Is he carrying his ammo in a locked container that is separate from the firearms? Does he have a safe to keep these firearms in that has been inspected by the Police? If he has a hunting license he can only shoot on rural zoned land,if he has a target shooting license he can only shoot at police approved firing ranges. He has broken many laws already,if he was a white bogan he would be in serious trouble, as peccahead pointed out being a muslim means a slap on the wrist will be appropriate.

I didn't know he was a Muslim (has that been confirmed now?).

Moreover, I think all fines for all people would be the same, no matter what religion they are.

If I'm wrong on that, please let me know.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

Vic wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:45pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:34pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:25pm: Its time wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:19pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:47am: Master herbert, They should send Kochie or Karl Stefanovic in. They'd both either sort it out or get shot -- a win-win if there was ever one. It's his policy that caused this, least he could do is swap himself for hostages , the coward will be on TV instead ;D The only thing that would be better would be sending Mr Abbott in. I'm sure we will. The gunmen have asked to speak to Mr Abbott. If he resolves this hostage crisis, he'll be seen as a tall glass of water. Thank you for your wise words, suppository. You added a lot to the discussion with that last post. That's right. All Mr Abbott has to do is talk some sense into these fellows and get them to release the hostages. Maybe he can give them a helicopter or something to make their gettaway. Yes, I just watched him on TV.  His UUUMMMMss EEEERRRRsss AHHHHHHs were quite well controlled, and his tongue only lolled around twice,   They must have given him a good dose of Phenergon.  No "S$it happens" slipped out either! What at tall glass of water Karnal, what a tall glass You need a life.

Thank you for a reply from a Coalition supporter that is abuse free.  It is indeed a rarity on these boards

I reckon Tony should change into his red budgie smugglers and charge in......they'd run a mile without their feet touching the ground.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

I reckon Tony should change into his red budgie smugglers and charge in......they'd run a mile without their feet touching the ground.

From what I've heard, it's too late: they're all out on the street now (apparently).

EDIT: only some are out.

Lets remember innocent peoples lives are at risk here.....Those of you making light of the situation should take a moment to reflect.....So far all we have is one disturbed individual who can hopefully be made to see reason???

As it is State and Federal Liberal Governments in charge some people will appropriate the blame on them as Conservatives would blame the ALP if situations were reversed.....As both where on a unity ticket on terrorism and national security issues the situation would be no different no matter who was in power!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Im not sure what a nutbag holding a bunch of innocent people hostage has to do with politics but lets just hope that all of the hostages get out of this physically unscathed and that there is plenty of help getting them through the psychological trauma they are all going to face.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

Lets remember innocent peoples lives are at risk here.....

Indeed.

My first concern was for the hostages.

Others seemed to think that the religion of the perp/s was more important.

And others, are more interested in summary executions and burning down public buildings.

A strange lot in there.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 11:32am: As someone said this event was botched from the beginning—I mean, Lindt cafe when the RBA is nearby? Which building is likely to be easier to gain access to by terrorists? A cafe or the Reserve Bank of Australia?

A fair point ... I think the cafe would have been the target precisely because it has low security.


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God, you're a m-o-r-o-n!!! ::)

No need for this. Your point stands quite well enough on its own and calling God a "m-o-r-o-n" is perhaps not wise ...

http://www.allenroland.com/images/newsletters/god_at_his_computer.jpg (Gary Larson)

I hope the hostages will be OK.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

Simon Bouda from CH9 said they're being VERY careful on what they say about what they see happening outside because it's believed that the gunman inside is watching news telecasts of this incident and they don't want to tip off the gunman by broadcasting Police movements.

Good. It bothers me when the media feel they have to broadcast live footage, because they forget that their broadcasts can be seen by everyone, including the perpetrators.

Harmony Day comes to Martin Place a few months early.


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Harmony Day Harmony Day 21 March is a day of cultural respect for everyone who calls Australia home – from the traditional owners of this land to those who have come from many countries around the world. By participating in Harmony Day activities, we can learn and understand how all Australians from diverse backgrounds equally belong to this nation and enrich it. http://www.harmony.gov.au

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Nation's strength is its embrace of diversity, says Kevin Rudd http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/nations-strength-is-its-embrace-of-diversity-says-kevin-rudd/story-fn9hm1gu-1226591936801?nk=888ed9be973318d9be69fe3e3b827f0a

Repeat "Diversity is our strength" 100 times until it's dinned into your brain. Apparently strength comes from importing people who have nothing in common with the host nation and in some cases reject every totem that we observe.

Such a policy seems to be steeped in lunacy.

The hostages got the Lib Lab immigration program they voted for - surely they must be willing to make sacrifices for it

A thought.  Underwriting Operation Sovereign Borders is what has been called 'operational' secrecy.  We Australians are not allowed to know what is being done in our name...because we need to be kept in the dark ultimately for our own well being.

Some lone wolf goes bereft in a Sydney Cafe and it is played out second by second on every TV screen in Australia and all over radio, and I'm sure, all over the print schmedia tomorrow.

Why are the Media at large NOT being held to account for assisting this bloke directly and indirectly?

Just saw some Ch 7 wonker tell us how it must be 'business as usual,' yet all day on Ch 7, it has been everything BUT? 

Schmedia.

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

A thought.  Underwriting Operation Sovereign Borders is what has been called 'operational' secrecy.  We Australians are not allowed to know what is being done in our name...because we need to be kept in the dark ultimately for our own well being. Some lone wolf goes bereft in a Sydney Cafe and it is played out second by second on every TV screen in Australia and all over radio, and I'm sure, all over the print schmedia tomorrow. Why are the Media at large NOT being held to account for assisting this bloke directly and indirectly?

The reason that this situation is allowed to be broadcast by the mass media is because the hostage taker sold his boat.

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Just saw some Ch 7 wonker tell us how it must be 'business as usual,' yet all day on Ch 7, it has been everything BUT?  Schmedia.

The only thing that will prevent this from being a one hour "news" bulletin on Channel 7 tonight, is if a shark was seen swimming in the ocean today (not doing anything else, just swimming - like sharks do).

I'll be disappointed if they don't do live crosses to the store tomorrow morning, with Kochie holding a coffee.

I'm probably overly cynical and too quick to look for the obvious.....but......is it just me who has observed all day the ...... errrrr.......ummmm.........arrrrrr.........errrrrrrrr.......from the TV reporters?

Fair dinkum.  This is just ghoulish.  They want a disaster, and if they can't have that, every word will be dramatically over the top.

Take the time yourself, and watch what comes out of every Reporter's mouth....not the anchors.....the Reporters 'on the scene.'

Pathetic.

Oh.....and may I say (to get it out of the way) that I too hope that everyone comes out of this safe and okay...............but to Post the bleeding obvious ~ I hope everyone comes out of this safe and okay ~ is just..............wot?  Surely no-one is hoping for the reverse, so why we need to rabbit on about the blindingly obvious is beyond me.

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

I'm probably overly cynical and too quick to look for the obvious.....but......is it just me who has observed all day the ...... errrrr.......ummmm.........arrrrrr.........errrrrrrrr.......from the TV reporters? Fair dinkum.  This is just ghoulish.  They want a disaster, and if they can't have that, every word will be dramatically over the top. Take the time yourself, and watch what comes out of every Reporter's mouth....not the anchors.....the Reporters 'on the scene.' Pathetic. Oh.....and may I say (to get it out of the way) that I too hope that everyone comes out of this safe and okay...............but to Post the bleeding obvious ~ I hope everyone comes out of this safe and okay ~ is just..............wot?  Surely no-one is hoping for the reverse, so why we need to rabbit on about the blindingly obvious is beyond me.

good of you to miss the point entirely.  But a question for you:  do you care if any of the hostages live or die?  IM interested to see if you can manufacture and emotional response.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 4:46pm: I'm probably overly cynical and too quick to look for the obvious.....but......is it just me who has observed all day the ...... errrrr.......ummmm.........arrrrrr.........errrrrrrrr.......from the TV reporters? Fair dinkum.  This is just ghoulish.  They want a disaster, and if they can't have that, every word will be dramatically over the top. Take the time yourself, and watch what comes out of every Reporter's mouth....not the anchors.....the Reporters 'on the scene.' Pathetic. Oh.....and may I say (to get it out of the way) that I too hope that everyone comes out of this safe and okay...............but to Post the bleeding obvious ~ I hope everyone comes out of this safe and okay ~ is just..............wot?  Surely no-one is hoping for the reverse, so why we need to rabbit on about the blindingly obvious is beyond me. good of you to miss the point entirely.  But a question for you:  do you care if any of the hostages live or die?  IM interested to see if you can manufacture and emotional response.

I doubt you 'got' my point which has been pretty consistent over several incidents like this over time.  I have zero regard for the schmedia and their pathetic beat up of what is a simple scenario which they go right out of their way to over dramatise and bleed to death for every column inch and airtime second they can extract from it ~ churning over and over exactly the same morsel of information.

It is a constant source of annoyance to me, and I'm not afraid to say so, even though it leads to silly people attempting a www armchair diagnosis of me.

I hope everyone comes out of this safe and okay

"everyone" is right. The LibLab government already holds the whole population hostage - pray for yourselves. While you're at it, make a sincere apology to Pauline Hanson, it seems she was right all along. What happened to One Nation anyway ?

bugger me.  Some jerk on ABC TV just told the audience that this is not about the siege per se......................it is about how well our security lot respond to it!  Bloody hell!

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 4:54pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 4:46pm: I'm probably overly cynical and too quick to look for the obvious.....but......is it just me who has observed all day the ...... errrrr.......ummmm.........arrrrrr.........errrrrrrrr.......from the TV reporters? Fair dinkum.  This is just ghoulish.  They want a disaster, and if they can't have that, every word will be dramatically over the top. Take the time yourself, and watch what comes out of every Reporter's mouth....not the anchors.....the Reporters 'on the scene.' Pathetic. Oh.....and may I say (to get it out of the way) that I too hope that everyone comes out of this safe and okay...............but to Post the bleeding obvious ~ I hope everyone comes out of this safe and okay ~ is just..............wot?  Surely no-one is hoping for the reverse, so why we need to rabbit on about the blindingly obvious is beyond me. good of you to miss the point entirely.  But a question for you:  do you care if any of the hostages live or die?  IM interested to see if you can manufacture and emotional response. I doubt you 'got' my point which has been pretty consistent over several incidents like this over time.  I have zero regard for the schmedia and their pathetic beat up of what is a simple scenario which they go right out of their way to over dramatise and bleed to death for every column inch and airtime second they can extract from it ~ churning over and over exactly the same morsel of information. It is a constant source of annoyance to me, and I'm not afraid to say so, even though it leads to silly people attempting a www armchair diagnosis of me.

you might make a better impression if you just once expressed even a smidgen of genuine concern for the hostages and victims of other events. To date, you have not yet once done so.  Even today, your only emotion is to hate/despise the media.  Is there anyone in your life you have the slightest regard for or even *love*?

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

A thought.  Underwriting Operation Sovereign Borders is what has been called 'operational' secrecy.  We Australians are not allowed to know what is being done in our name...because we need to be kept in the dark ultimately for our own well being. Some lone wolf goes bereft in a Sydney Cafe and it is played out second by second on every TV screen in Australia and all over radio, and I'm sure, all over the print schmedia tomorrow. Why are the Media at large NOT being held to account for assisting this bloke directly and indirectly?

People want to know what's happening. The media is covering it. That's what it is for.

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

A thought.  Underwriting Operation Sovereign Borders is what has been called 'operational' secrecy.  We Australians are not allowed to know what is being done in our name...because we need to be kept in the dark ultimately for our own well being. Some lone wolf goes bereft in a Sydney Cafe and it is played out second by second on every TV screen in Australia and all over radio, and I'm sure, all over the print schmedia tomorrow. Why are the Media at large NOT being held to account for assisting this bloke directly and indirectly?

because they aren't and you are showing signs of psychosis.

Quote:

you might make a better impression if you just once expressed even a smidgen of genuine concern for the hostages and victims of other events. To date, you have not yet once done so.  Even today, your only emotion is to hate/despise the media.  Is there anyone in your life you have the slightest regard for or even *love*?

Incorrect, but I get your silly point.  I have never bothered to make 'penetrating statements of the blindingly obvious.'  Whether I care or not is irrelevant to my very consistent campaign against people who seek to feather their own nest, and that includes 'cricketers,' social media commentators and the MSM, by unnecessary public displays of a grief which everyone naturally feels, yet everyone does not have the same opportunity to make the public "look at me grieve or express concern" comments or gestures in circumstances where it is patently obvious everyone is privately experiencing the same emotion or hope.

I reckon what happens is a very shallow expression of genuine grief if they feel a need to make it so public and so often in public.

Soren wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 4:19pm: A thought.  Underwriting Operation Sovereign Borders is what has been called 'operational' secrecy.  We Australians are not allowed to know what is being done in our name...because we need to be kept in the dark ultimately for our own well being. Some lone wolf goes bereft in a Sydney Cafe and it is played out second by second on every TV screen in Australia and all over radio, and I'm sure, all over the print schmedia tomorrow. Why are the Media at large NOT being held to account for assisting this bloke directly and indirectly? People want to know what's happening. The media is covering it. That's what it is for.

True.....but it does not need wall to wall coverage of nothing happening with ridiculous filibusters filling the gaps between actual events.

Why waste a crisis ? the LibLab government never does. More freedoms about to be lost ! Chip in the arm anyone ?

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:12pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 4:19pm: A thought.  Underwriting Operation Sovereign Borders is what has been called 'operational' secrecy.  We Australians are not allowed to know what is being done in our name...because we need to be kept in the dark ultimately for our own well being. Some lone wolf goes bereft in a Sydney Cafe and it is played out second by second on every TV screen in Australia and all over radio, and I'm sure, all over the print schmedia tomorrow. Why are the Media at large NOT being held to account for assisting this bloke directly and indirectly? People want to know what's happening. The media is covering it. That's what it is for. True.....but it does not need wall to wall coverage of nothing happening with ridiculous filibusters filling the gaps between actual events.

are you serious?  most major event coverages are exactly like that.  Without a script (such as wharfy and pansi would have you believe happens all the time) no one knows in advance when and where to point the camera.  IF you don't like it, don't watch it.

but you still don't care nor understand grief in the slightest.  not an iota of understanding.

These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now!

Quote:

Without a script (such as wharfy and pansi would have you believe happens all the time) no one knows in advance when and where to point the camera.  IF you don't like it, don't watch it.

Oh no, you/they don't get off as easily as that.  I'll watch it.  How else can I make a relevant criticism without doing so?

(That was rhetorical ~ no need to answer.)

matty wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now!

What if they're born here, Matty?

LibLabs don't know what grief is, otherwise they wouldn't have let terrorists in in the first place. It's a bad inbuilt habit they have and the way they're wired

matty wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now!

Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man!

Abolish all religion would be a good move!

A recent report claims this tosser wants to have a chat to Abbott on the phone.

Crikey....

A nutjob on each end of the line....

:D

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

A recent report claims this tosser wants to have a chat to Abbott on the phone. Crikey.... A nutjob on each end of the line.... :D

True......but ya have to doubt the suggestion, because if it were genuine, Abbott would have been all over it.

Latest comments suggest they do have some sort of communication with the wonker......but no-one is claiming it is over the phone.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move!

Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired.
They lack something.

A sense of Christianity......

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

A recent report claims this tosser wants to have a chat to Abbott on the phone. Crikey.... A nutjob on each end of the line.... :D

Lol!!! Imagine the conversation

err....dat you Tony?

aah err now....now......answers will err be....forthcoming

aye Tony I gotta talk to ya about da Islam...I got hostages

ah ah ah.....I will be talking about that  eerr at a later date  ;)  ;)

nah Tony......it's like urgent I might kill people

err aaaah did you say? err........I'll get Peta

matty wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now!

What if they were born here matty....it happens. Where ya gunna send em?

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity......

Yeah, look at his sig:

Quote:

Proponent of Christianity, Conservativism and family values. Opponent of Socialism, Islam, climate change and homosexual marriage.

In favor of family values, yet deprives gays of the right to marry—does not compute.
Opposes climate change—it is happening right NOW!

Just self contradictory twaddle.

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity......

Yeah, look at his sig:

Quote:

Proponent of Christianity, Conservativism and family values. Opponent of Socialism, Islam, climate change and homosexual marriage.

In favor of family values, yet deprives gays of the right to marry—does not compute.
Opposes climate change—it is happening right NOW!

Just self contradictory twaddle.

skippy. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! What if they're born here, Matty?

Sorry skippy, I missed your post    http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/xk/ifphwS7v-Kw9w4pBErrrmXz69m/www.thaivisa.com/static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/wai2.gif.pagespeed.ce.goigDuXn4XwDTX7ucidm.gif

matty wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now!

At least the government should have the commonsense to halt Muslim immigration and refugees influx indefinitely.

As with no other immigrant group that has settled in western countries, the Muslims have been a continuing source of high voluntary unemployment on the dole, Disability Support Pension rorting, gun-play, gang activity, court appearances, incarceration, terrorist related mischief, militia activity abroad, gang rapes, intimidation of our females at the beaches, taxi-drivers molesting women ...

... just a plague of biblical proportions upon western societies.

Britain and Australia don't even dare let their soldiers, sailors, and airmen walk the streets of their generational homeland in their uniforms because of the threat from no one else but Muslims.

If any good can come out of this hostage situation, then perhaps it will be that this is the wake up call that finally moves the idiots we know as our politicians to say 'enough is enough' from this dysfunctional immigrant community.



 

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:39pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! What if they're born here, Matty? Sorry skippy, I missed your post    http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/xk/ifphwS7v-Kw9w4pBErrrmXz69m/www.thaivisa.com/static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/wai2.gif.pagespeed.ce.goigDuXn4XwDTX7ucidm.gif

I'll bet there's a lot of Koories saying the same about matty and his mob.....

:D :D

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity......

Maybe you should check out Jesus in the Temple with the money lenders.  Perhaps get a read on his comments about the Pharisees and hypocrites.

'Gentle Jesus, meek and mild' is a sunday school invention that is not at all like the Bible.

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Lobo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:58pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity...... Yeah, look at his sig: Quote: Proponent of Christianity, Conservativism and family values. Opponent of Socialism, Islam, climate change and homosexual marriage. In favor of family values, yet deprives gays of the right to marry—does not compute. Opposes climate change—it is happening right NOW! Just self contradictory twaddle.

Even if you don't support it, it makes sense.  Well it does to smart people anyhow.  Perhaps ask mummy to explain it to you.  Shes upstairs making your baby bottle now.

skippy. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! What if they're born here, Matty?

They should be sent to Dunedin or Newport to complete their science degreees.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

Lobo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:58pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity...... Maybe you should check out Jesus in the Temple with the money lenders.  Perhaps get a read on his comments about the Pharisees and hypocrites. 'Gentle Jesus, meek and mild' is a sunday school invention that is not at all like the Bible.

And may be you should check out 1 Corinthians 13:13.

And the greatest of these I don't see too much of coming from some of you.....

:)

Or, perhaps,  Luke 6:31

Don't see a lot of this, either.....

:)

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity......

Sprint has been inciting acts of terrorism and murder all day.

I suspect he'll receive a knock on the door, one day soon.

Maybe even.....

"....as we forgive those who trespass against us...."

:)

“comments about the Pharisees and hypocrites.”  :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Lobo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:58pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity...... Sprint has been inciting acts of terrorism and murder all day. I suspect he'll receive a knock on the door, one day soon.

Sprint is only behaving like a good christian should  .... acting like a hypocrite

Geez, Greg, I was on a roll there...

:D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 7:38pm: Lobo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:58pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:50pm: matty wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 5:34pm: These scum should never been let into this beautiful country of ours. Muslims are scum of the earth, a dangerous cancer and parasite. Send them all back now! Sense the love of a true christian for his fellow man! Abolish all religion would be a good move! Some of the Christians on here leave a lot to be desired. They lack something. A sense of Christianity...... Sprint has been inciting acts of terrorism and murder all day. I suspect he'll receive a knock on the door, one day soon. Sprint is only behaving like a good christian should  .... acting like a hypocrite

Indeed.

Not all of them actively encourage murder and terrorism though.

He's one to watch, and hopefully someone is.

And then, longy, there's always Matthew 5:44

:)

.

I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all.
Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media.
Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol.
I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner.

Two?

When did the second one enter the picture?

And, who told you they were Muslims?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims?

Who knows when the second one entered the picture.
I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva.
And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God".
So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then.

1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else.

2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner.

What's wrong with an Aussie internet site?
Too close to the action?

:)

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then.

The question is -

why did we let them come here  &

let them build Mosques?

We're idiots in Australia.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then. 1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else. 2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag.

I've also seen no other reports regarding any of the terrorists demands on local news sites, but time will tell.
Arutz Sheva state their source as Reuters, so all things are possible.
Given the type of rag flag, and the various Islamic leaders and  Islamic 'experts' still appearing on the various news sites after all these hours getting some extended air time in only shows there are no Irish Catholics involved.
Although I can see the humour if a couple of armed Irish male redheads walk out the front door, as the media have already determined hours ago Islamics are involved.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Arutz Sheva state their source as Reuters, so all things are possible ... there are no Irish Catholics involved.

Make up your mind.

Lobo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. What's wrong with an Aussie internet site? Too close to the action? :)

Nothing wrong with an Aussie internet news site, however it is interesting to read a little bit more on the subject on foreign ones.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then. 1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else. 2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag.

It's a shame you aren't a bookmaker Greg, I think they're might be a few punters on here willing to take what might just be some generous odds from you. assuming of course that you backed your mouth up.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:48pm:

Lobo wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:40pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. What's wrong with an Aussie internet site? Too close to the action? :) Nothing wrong with an Aussie internet news site, however it is interesting to read a little bit more on the subject on foreign ones.

Even if the "little bit more" is completely incorrect?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:48pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:45pm: Arutz Sheva state their source as Reuters, so all things are possible ... there are no Irish Catholics involved. Make up your mind.

I have, not a ranga in sight.

brumbie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then. 1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else. 2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag. It's a shame you aren't a bookmaker Greg, I think they're might be a few punters on here willing to take what might just be some generous odds from you. assuming of course that you backed your mouth up.

I'm not giving odds on anything.

I have no idea what religion this gunman is, or if he has any faith at all.

I'm not ruling out the possibility that he's a Muslim, or anything else for that matter.

Has he spoken to you and told you what religion he is?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then. 1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else. 2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag. It's a shame you aren't a bookmaker Greg, I think they're might be a few punters on here willing to take what might just be some generous odds from you. assuming of course that you backed your mouth up. I'm not giving odds on anything. I have no idea what religion this gunman is, or if he has any faith at all. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he's a Muslim, or anything else for that matter. Has he spoken to you and told you what religion he is?

I hope you feel stupid, since you certainly look it.  all the evidence that he was muslim was there to be seen, but not by you. You always take the 1% possibility while ignoring the 99%.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:36am:

hope you feel stupid,

Not at all.

I clearly stated: "I'm not ruling out the possibility that he's a Muslim".

English not your first language?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

brumbie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then. 1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else. 2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag. It's a shame you aren't a bookmaker Greg, I think they're might be a few punters on here willing to take what might just be some generous odds from you. assuming of course that you backed your mouth up. I'm not giving odds on anything. I have no idea what religion this gunman is, or if he has any faith at all. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he's a Muslim, or anything else for that matter. Has he spoken to you and told you what religion he is?

Channel Ten said it had spoken to two of the hostages inside the cafe and the man holding them had made a series of demands.
"Our TenNews team have spoken directly to 2 hostages inside the cafe... They are confirming 2 demands from the perpetrator," the network tweeted.
"He needs the ISIL flag to be directly delivered to the cafe; And his 2nd request is to speak to the Prime Minster.
"They also state there are 4 bombs... two inside the Lindt cafe at Martin Place - and two further in the Sydney CBD."

Soren wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:52pm: brumbie wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:04pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15th, 2014 at 8:02pm: I just read on an Israeli internet news site that the two Islamic terrorists have made two demands so far, both of which are yet to occur if at all. Firstly to speak to the PM, and secondly to speak to the media. Also that one is armed with a shotgun, and the other with a backpack and a pistol. I hope the hostages are released safely soon, and those two Islamic terrorist scum are sent to hell even sooner. Two? When did the second one enter the picture? And, who told you they were Muslims? Who knows when the second one entered the picture. I'm only reporting what I read on Arutz Sheva. And the flag rag the terrorists placed on the window for all to see a few hours ago translates to "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of God". So they aren't disgruntled Irish Catholics then. 1.  I've seen no reports of a second kidnapper/gunman. Perhaps you're thinking of another siege, somewhere else. 2.  How do you know he's not a disgruntled Irish Catholic? Anybody can buy a flag. It's a shame you aren't a bookmaker Greg, I think they're might be a few punters on here willing to take what might just be some generous odds from you. assuming of course that you backed your mouth up. I'm not giving odds on anything. I have no idea what religion this gunman is, or if he has any faith at all. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he's a Muslim, or anything else for that matter. Has he spoken to you and told you what religion he is? Channel Ten said it had spoken to two of the hostages inside the cafe and the man holding them had made a series of demands. "Our TenNews team have spoken directly to 2 hostages inside the cafe... They are confirming 2 demands from the perpetrator," the network tweeted. "He needs the ISIL flag to be directly delivered to the cafe; And his 2nd request is to speak to the Prime Minster. "They also state there are 4 bombs... two inside the Lindt cafe at Martin Place - and two further in the Sydney CBD."

Did they find the bombs?