Malala condemns Jihadi murderers [in Pakistan],
......Malala gives $50,000 to Jihadi murderers [in Gaza] !!!!



TODAY;
Malala Yousafzai has condemned the attack [yesterday] in Pakistan, in which 132 Pakistani schoolchildren have been murdered, by Pakistani ISLAMISTS [i.e. the Pakistani Taliban].

Google;
Malala condemns taliban school attack

Yet, as an act of 'charity', Malala Yousafzai has recently given $50,000 to UN schools in Gaza !!

Schools that are under the effective control of Hamas [i.e. the Gaza 'Taliban'], and that are being used freely, as military storehouses, by Hamas!!








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Who is this Malala ?

Malala Yousafzai is the Pakistani schoolgirl who was shot in the head, in October 2012, by the Pakistani Taliban [because she advocated for the free and open education of Pakistani children, partiularly girls].

After being shot in the head by the Pakistani Taliban [and surviving being shot in the head], Malala Yousafzai was evacuated to the UK.

She received emergency surgery in the UK, and survived, and seemingly made a miraculous recovery from her gunshot to the head injury.

Today Malala Yousafzai [now resident in the UK] has become the media darling of those in the West, who promote the concept of 'the peaceful, victimised, moslem schoolgirl, who was nearly assassinated by religious 'extremists' ' [in Pakistan].

Malala Yousafzai is so close to the 'issues' that nearly cost her her own life, and yet, seemingly, Malala Yousafzai still does not perceive where evil 'resides', and how that evil permeates those persons who still surround and influence her.

Very sad!







MORE, RELATED.....

While the Pakistani Taliban today calls Malala; “a soldier against Islamic society and teachings of Islam”, and, an enemy of all moslems.....

Malala donates $50,000 to UN schools in Gaza,           ....schools that are being used freely, as military storehouses, by Hamas [i.e. the Gaza 'Taliban'] !!!


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Taliban: Malala “a soldier against Islamic society and teachings of Islam” Dec 12, 2014 01:00 pm | Robert Spencer Malala has donated $50,000 to UN schools in Gaza that are tools of Hamas, so it is the Taliban’s anger at Malala is short-sighted. In Gaza, she is effectively aiding the same cause for which they [the Taliban] are fighting. “Taliban slams Malala over Nobel prize, calls her ‘soldier against Islam,'”........

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These are the same UN schools in Gaza, that are routinely being used by Hamas for the storage of military rockets,
rockets that will be [and have been] used against Israeli civilian targets!!!


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Syria: Islamic jihadists using UN cars for jihad terror operations Dec 12, 2014 01:46 pm | Robert Spencer The UN has denounced this. On the other hand, the UN denounced the storage of Hamas jihad rockets in its Gaza schools, but did nothing to stop it, and even gave the rockets back to Hamas after they were found. The UN is a disgrace........

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And what have you given to the christians in gaza who had there churches attacked and neighbourhood attacked by the jews?

Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who).

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

And what have you given to the christians in gaza who had there churches attacked and neighbourhood attacked by the jews?

I send my blessings and prayers every single day    [for more than 10 years].....


........to Israel and the Jewish people.





There are no Christians in Gaza.

All 'Palestinian' Christians have lost their way, imo.

Let them ask the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to guide them in their path.




If they are Christians, then let them stand up, and obey the truth,        ....and let them put the heel of their foot upon SATAN's head.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who).

Correct gandalf.





Deuteronomy 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9  For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.i



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Yadda said....

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AND, since these walls went up, SEPARATING ISRAELIS FROM LOCAL MOSLEMS... IMAGE... http://www.deiryassin.org/images/fpwall.jpg ...the ISLAMIC 'martyr' bombings within Israel have virtually stopped. AND REMEMBER; "Good fences make good neighbours." +++ Israel's actions in separating themselves from ISLAMIC 'martyr' bombers, is totally justified, imo. Those who regard themselves as God's people have always been directed by God to ALWAYS, to seek to separate themselves from wicked people. That is the curse, and the burden, that the Jewish people have carried, for thousands of years. That has always been the reason for the persecution of the Jewish people, by other men. The Jewish people were ALWAYS, a scapegoat, for the wickedness of mankind. Leviticus 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;) 28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29  For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30  Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 20:24 ...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9  For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance. +++ And those who refer to themselves as Christians today, if we regard ourselves as God's people, we should ALSO, seek to separate ourselves from those who are clearly wicked people. To separate ourselves from evil doers, is still a requirement, of God's people. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Daniel 12:10 Isaiah 48:10 Revelation 21:7-8

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who).

So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine?

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine?

It wasn't Palestine when he lived there.

Yadda wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:39am: And what have you given to the christians in gaza who had there churches attacked and neighbourhood attacked by the jews? I send my blessings and prayers every single day    [for more than 10 years]..... ........to Israel and the Jewish people. There are no Christians in Gaza. All 'Palestinian' Christians have lost their way, imo. Let them ask the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to guide them in their path. If they are Christians, then let them stand up, and obey the truth,        ....and let them put the heel of their foot upon SATAN's head.

At least Malala is doing something for humanity, instead of sitting in front of the computer 24 hours day.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there.

When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs.

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:18pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there. When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs.

I'm sorry to prove you wrong but that area was named Judea for a few thousand years. Yes, land of the Jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who).

He would also probably reject jesus if he saw him, in nazareth many people didnt beleive jesus was a prophet and there a claims in the bible they tried to throw jesus off a cliff.

Even Jesus mentions "No Prophet is accepted in his hometown".Then jesus ran to another viallage when his hometown people abandoned his message.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:18pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there. When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs. I'm sorry to prove you wrong but that area was named Judea for a few thousand years. Yes, land of the Jews.

Thats fine, you can beleive what you want.

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:27pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:18pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there. When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs. I'm sorry to prove you wrong but that area was named Judea for a few thousand years. Yes, land of the Jews. Thats fine, you can beleive what you want.

So going by your thinking a conquering power comes in then the name changes. So now it's Israel.

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:18pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there. When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs. I'm sorry to prove you wrong but that area was named Judea for a few thousand years. Yes, land of the Jews.

Dont jews have enough land already?

There are only 3 -4 million jews in israel but they want a greater Israel similar to the size of australia?

A tumultuous year in the Middle East, well worth listening to this interview with the outgoing Middle East correspondent for The Australian newspaper.  He makes some very interesting points about how the Israelis are attempting "annexation by stealth" of the Occupied Territories.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:27pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:22pm: Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:18pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there. When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs. I'm sorry to prove you wrong but that area was named Judea for a few thousand years. Yes, land of the Jews. Dont jews have enough land already? There are only 3 -4 million jews in israel but they want a greater Israel similar to the size of australia?

wally1,

Don't the moslems in the Middle East have enough land already?







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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."






QUESTIONS;

LOOK AT THAT MAP [above].

Why haven't supposedly 'hospitable' moslems, in moslem nations surrounding Israel, absorbed the identified 'Palestinian' refugees, into their own communities ???



CONSIDER; In the wake of WWII, there were millions of refugees and stateless people, in Europe.

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Where did all of those stateless people in Europe go to?

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Most of those stateless people [at the conclusion of WWII, and as a consequence of WWII] were absorbed into surrounding nations - in Europe.




Isn't it obvious, that the 'Palestinian' refugee problem, is a contrived problem, and a convenient political 'stick', with which moslems can beat Israel with, upon the world stage of public opinion?

And that is the reason why the problem of 'Palestinian' refugees will never be solved, because it isn't in the political interests of Israel's enemies [ISLAMISTS] to solve the 'Palestinian' refugee 'problem'.i



Video tour through Israel

Israel ¡Seeing is Believing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgdb6r0MQ4

wally1 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:18pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Yadda has previously expressed his disassociation with Palestinian Christians. I think it had something to do with them fraternising with the enemy (you know who). So does that mean he disassociates himself from jesus who lived in palestine? It wasn't Palestine when he lived there. When the Romans came to dominate the area, they used the name Palestine. Thus, when Yehoshu'a [Jesus] was born, he was born a Palestinian as were all of the inhabitants of the region, Jews and non-Jews. He was also a Nazarene (being born in Nazareth) and a Galilean (born in the region of Galilee)… At the time of Yehoshu'a's birth, Palestine was inhabited by Jews-descendants of Hebrews, Canaanites, and many other Semitic peoples-and also by Phoenicians, Syrians, Greeks, and even Arabs.

But now the Arabs want it all.

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

But now the Arabs want it all.

Well, the Arabs had it all, until the West decided, out of guilt over what happened to the Jews in The Holocaust, that they had to take some of the Palestinians' land and hand it over to some people who had never lived there and who's ancestors had left the place about 2,000 years previously.

If people want to play the "the Jews owned it first" card, then perhaps they should take their demand for it's return to the people who kicked them out - the Romans.   Now, that will be interesting, won't it?    ::)

Personally, I believe the horse has well and truly bolted.  It is impossible to turn the clock back 2,000 years any more than it is to turn it back to 1948.  Israel exists today and that cannot be undone.  However, modern Israel was established as part of a "two state solution" - the partition of the UN Mandate by the UK, as part of Resolution 181.  The borders established under that Resolution are the only true and legal ones for the State of Israel which are recognised by the UN and the rest of the world.

Israel should withdraw all its colonists from the Occupied Territories and those Territories should be returned to UN administration as part of a transition to the creation of a modern Palestinian State.  The Israeli attempt annex ever more territory by stealth and outright aggression should be condemned and stopped.  The West went to war against Iraq because Saddam Hussein's illegal annexation of Kuwait.  The same threat should be used against Israel to force it to comply.

There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as the running sore of the Palestinian Question is allowed to fester.   Israel is the problem now, not the Palestinians.   Israel does not negotiate in good faith and it does not abide by international decisions.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:04pm: But now the Arabs want it all. Well, the Arabs had it all, until the West decided, out of guilt over what happened to the Jews in The Holocaust, that they had to take some of the Palestinians' land and hand it over to some people who had never lived there and who's ancestors had left the place about 2,000 years previously. If people want to play the "the Jews owned it first" card, then perhaps they should take their demand for it's return to the people who kicked them out - the Romans.   Now, that will be interesting, won't it?    ::) Personally, I believe the horse has well and truly bolted.  It is impossible to turn the clock back 2,000 years any more than it is to turn it back to 1948.  Israel exists today and that cannot be undone.  However, modern Israel was established as part of a "two state solution" - the partition of the UN Mandate by the UK, as part of Resolution 181.  The borders established under that Resolution are the only true and legal ones for the State of Israel which are recognised by the UN and the rest of the world.

But not  the Arabs who attacked israel repeatedly and who....er.... were the occupier of the occupied territories until they lost them to Israel as a consequence of losing a war against it once again in 1967.


When there is a pan-Arab recognition of Israel and a guarantee of no more attack on it, then thyere can be a meaningful discussion of establishing two states. But while thye Arabs believe in the one state (non-Jewish) solution only, Israel would be mad to give up the little buffer it has.
Had the Arabs accepted the borders of 1948, which the Jews did, there would have been peace ever since.

Soren wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

But not  the Arabs who attacked israel repeatedly and who....er.... were the occupier of the occupied territories until they lost them to Israel as a consequence of losing a war against it once again in 1967.

So?  Today, the "arabs" have relinquished all claims to the Occupied Territories in order to allow the PA to become Palestine.  The only fly in the ointment now is Israel which refuses to discuss the two state solution and instead attempts annexation by stealth.

Present Bush in 1990 declared that "aggressors should not be rewarded for their aggression" in the case of Iraq in Kuwait.  Yet, at the same time he was quite prepared to stand by and watch Israel slowly annex the Occupied Territories.


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When there is a pan-Arab recognition of Israel and a guarantee of no more attack on it, then thyere can be a meaningful discussion of establishing two states. But while thye Arabs believe in the one state (non-Jewish) solution only, Israel would be mad to give up the little buffer it has.

Two, out of the five frontline states have accepted the existence of the State of Israel and signed peace treaties with Israel.  Of the other two, Israel has and continues to have a hand in destroying them.   The 1982 invasion of Lebanon effectively destroyed the Lebanese government.  The recent report into Israel fraternisation with the rebel groups in Syria shows it is up to the same tricks.  Effectively, it has created the present situation with Lebanon and Syria.   

The last one, Saudi Arabia is big on rhetoric but has taken little effective action against Israel for the last 60 years.

Other Arab nations don't really matter, Soren.


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Had the Arabs accepted the borders of 1948, which the Jews did, there would have been peace ever since.

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  They did not accept the 1947 borders.  They have never accepted them.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.

And who started that war??

Please explain, Brain.

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  And who started that war?? Please explain, Brain.

I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Two wrongs don't make a right.  Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson?    ::)

Can't wait till Israel Nukes the bastards.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  And who started that war?? Please explain, Brain. I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them?

The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them?  No.


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That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Two wrongs don't make a right.  Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson?    ::)

The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Before that the whole lot, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, was occupied by Britain and France. Before that, by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire disappeared and so the British and the French created the successor countries on the map, with UN approval.

With UN approval, Brain. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Egypt - parts or vassals of the Ottomans until they all went into a British or French protectorate - didn't.
They accepted the creation of NEW, never before existing Arab countries - Syria, Jordan, Lebanon - but not Israel, a tiny, tiny sliver by comparison.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  And who started that war?? Please explain, Brain. I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them? That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Two wrongs don't make a right.  Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson?    ::)

Two stools make a stollen - the best lesson Mormor ever taught the old boy.

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:08am: Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  And who started that war?? Please explain, Brain. I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them? The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them?  No. Quote: That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Two wrongs don't make a right.  Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson?    ::) The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Before that the whole lot, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, was occupied by Britain and France. Before that, by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire disappeared and so the British and the French created the successor countries on the map, with UN approval. With UN approval, Brain. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Egypt - parts or vassals of the Ottomans until they all went into a British or French protectorate - didn't. They accepted the creation of NEW, never before existing Arab countries - Syria, Jordan, Lebanon - but not Israel, a tiny, tiny sliver by comparison.

And to this day aint it grand how they shove it right up the whinging musseys arseholes.

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:08am: Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  And who started that war?? Please explain, Brain. I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them? Quote: in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Hellenist Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom. This, the last nominally independent Judean kingdom, came to an end in 63 BCE with its conquest by Pompey of Rome. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah]Source[/url] Did the Judeans ask the Canaanites or the other tribes of the region whether they could impose their rule on them? That of course came through the right of conquest.  The UN was supposedly intended to provide collective security for the region yet the General Assembly, before passing Resolution 181 did not ask the Arab inhabitants before imposing a foreign nation on them, whether they agreed to it.   Hardly democratic, hardly a decision reached through consensus, now was it?   More like Western guilt than anything else. [quote] The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them?  No.

Different times, different attitudes, Soren.  Stop comparing apples and oranges.    ::)


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[quote] That does not negate the fact that the Israelis expanded beyond the UN Mandated borders, Soren, in 1948, upon the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Two wrongs don't make a right.  Didn't your mother ever teach you that lesson?    ::)

The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Before that the whole lot, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, was occupied by Britain and France. Before that, by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire disappeared and so the British and the French created the successor countries on the map, with UN approval.

With UN approval, Brain. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Egypt - parts or vassals of the Ottomans until they all went into a British or French protectorate - didn't.
They accepted the creation of NEW, never before existing Arab countries - Syria, Jordan, Lebanon - but not Israel, a tiny, tiny sliver by comparison.
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How can you claim the Jews accepted the UN borders when they immediately expanded beyond them as the historical record shows.   Appears to me you don't know the history nor understand it, Soren or the morality and international law involved.

If Israel has profited from it's conquests, why should it be treated any differently to Iraq in 1990?   Why hasn't the UN moved to intervene?  Still the remnants of that Western Guilt?   ::)

As I've said, the decision to create Israel cannot be undone.  However, the decision to expand Israel illegally can be stopped.   Or don't the Palestinians have any rights in your view?  Of course not, they're Muslim (although, not all are).    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 11:50am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:08am: Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Actually, the Jews expanded beyond the 1947 borders during their 1948 war, Soren.  And who started that war?? Please explain, Brain. I don't resile from the fact that the Arabs started the war - however, were they asked if they wanted a foreign nation imposed on them? Quote: in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Hellenist Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom. This, the last nominally independent Judean kingdom, came to an end in 63 BCE with its conquest by Pompey of Rome. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah]Source[/url] Did the Judeans ask the Canaanites or the other tribes of the region whether they could impose their rule on them? That of course came through the right of conquest.  The UN was supposedly intended to provide collective security for the region yet the General Assembly, before passing Resolution 181 did not ask the Arab inhabitants before imposing a foreign nation on them, whether they agreed to it.   Hardly democratic, hardly a decision reached through consensus, now was it?   More like Western guilt than anything else. [quote] The Arabs overrun the Eastern Roman Empire, Iran, Hindu Kush, North West India? Did they ask the people in those lands if they wanted a Muslim Arab rule imposed on them?  No. Different times, different attitudes, Soren.  Stop comparing apples and oranges.    ::)

So why do you come up with the Canaanites, looney?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

How can you claim the Jews accepted the UN borders when they immediately expanded beyond them as the historical record shows.

You are a very dishonest man, Brain. How did they expand? They attacked anyone? No. The historical record shows that the Jews were attacked immediately in 1948.   Note, Brain - the Jews did not attack Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon. No. The Arabs attacked the Jews.   Then in 1967, the Arabs attacked the Jews again and the lost the West Bank and Gaza, which were occupied by Jordan and Egypt until then. They were Occupied Territories by Jordan and Egypt, not part of Jordan and Egypt (this is why Jewish settlements are not illegal).Then in 1973, the Arabs again attacked Israel and lost the Sinai and the Golan Heights.

Arab aggression. They should have accepted the 1948 borders and everyone would have lived in peace ever since.

The Israelis expanded Israel in 1948, Soren.

http://medya.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2012/11/22/Filistin.jpg

You going to deny the evidence of that map?   ::)

The Israelis did not accept the 1948 borders, Soren so why do you believe the Arabs should have?

If Israel had withdrawn to the 1948 borders after the 1948 war, the Arabs would have more than likely accepted that status quo.

BTW, Israel attacked first in 1967.   ::)

It is very obvious you don't know the history of the Arab-Israeli dispute, very obvious, Soren.   You're letting your Islamophobia (as usual) do your talking for you.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

The Israelis expanded Israel in 1948, Soren. http://medya.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2012/11/22/Filistin.jpg You going to deny the evidence of that map?   ::) The Israelis did not accept the 1948 borders, Soren so why do you believe the Arabs should have? If Israel had withdrawn to the 1948 borders after the 1948 war, the Arabs would have more than likely accepted that status quo. BTW, Israel attacked first in 1967.   ::) It is very obvious you don't know the history of the Arab-Israeli dispute, very obvious, Soren.   You're letting your Islamophobia (as usual) do your talking for you.    ::)

Maps, like statistics, depict whatever point you're attempting to make. You already know that, Brian, hence the nit-picking when it comes displays.

The total land area of Israel is approximately 23,000 sq. km. And despite arguments about their right to occupation they face this:

http://www.vox.com/a/maps-explain-the-middle-east

Sometimes it's not hard to sympathise with them, particularly as we in the West are facing another invasion by stealth - the stated aim of Islam - the Ummah, the global Caliphate.

Islamophobia!   ;D ;D ;D ;D


http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/lioneledriess/ISLAMOPHOBIA_zpsc1e629f8.png

So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::)

Who cares,  I hope they go all the way and rid the middle east of the middle eastturds.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::)

Brian,

I thought that that was just a proposal, and idea ?,    ...FOR A WAY TO BRING PERMANENT PEACE TO THE MIDDLE EAST.

There is a YOUTUBE about how it will work.....


Klavan's One-State Solution_ Give the Middle East to the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU


:)

Several lies there from Mr. Klavan, Y.

Non-Jews do not have "complete religious freedom" within Israel.  Indeed, if the proposal to make citizenship dependent upon religious affiliation go through, it means non-Jews will not be considered citizens of Israel.

Women do not have "equality" within Israel.   Ultra-Orthodox Jews have very similar views to traditional Muslims on the position of women.

Of course, handing the Middle East over to Israel would be satisfying the Israeli desire to create Eretz Israel - Greater Israel and be imposing Jewish rule on the Arabs without their permission.   This would just reinforce the mistakes of the establishment of the modern state of Israel and give the OK to Israeli imperialism.    ::)

It is still hug a muslim week precious.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

... Non-Jews do not have "complete religious freedom" within Israel. ...

Fine.

Then let them have it.

After all, their designs on world supremacy go nowhere near that of the Islamists.

8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 4:59pm: ... Non-Jews do not have "complete religious freedom" within Israel. ... Fine. Then let them have it. After all, their designs on world supremacy go nowhere near that of the Islamists. 8-)

Well, if we are to believe the anti-Semites, Lionel, the Joose already control the world.  ;)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 4:59pm: ... Non-Jews do not have "complete religious freedom" within Israel. ... Fine. Then let them have it. After all, their designs on world supremacy go nowhere near that of the Islamists. 8-) Well, if we are to believe the anti-Semites, Lionel, the Joose already control the world.  ;)

Well, if the West can't soon decide on a collective action plan, they'll soon be facing another possible extinction event.

And it won't be the 'Jooose' that are the problem.

8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 4:59pm: ... Non-Jews do not have "complete religious freedom" within Israel. ... Fine. Then let them have it. After all, their designs on world supremacy go nowhere near that of the Islamists. 8-) Well, if we are to believe the anti-Semites, Lionel, the Joose already control the world.  ;) Well, if the West can't soon decide on a collective action plan, they'll soon be facing another possible extinction event. And it won't be the 'Jooose' that are the problem. 8-)

Who are you claiming would be "the problem", Lionel?

Egypt has signed a peace treaty with Israel.
Jordan has signed a peace treaty with Israel.
Lebanon is a wreck, thanks to the Israelis.
Syria is a wreck.
Iraq is a wreck, in part thanks to the West and IS.
Iran is all talk and no action.
Saudi Arabia is all talk and no action.

Rest of the Muslim world?  Sympathy and some tea and scones for the Palestinians but beyond that?  Not much.

And before you claim that Iran will have nuclear weapons, do you really think Iran would risk nuclear annihilation for the Palestinians?  Really?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::)

Because???



Because it was attacked.

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked.

So was East Timor, old boy. Attacked and occupied. Should the cloth heads still be in charge today?

I’m keen to know what you think.

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked.

Excuses, Soren.

If it has expanded beyond it's mandated borders, it has done so through conquest.  What does that do to the legitimacy of the State of Israel?   No other nation around the world recognises these annexations.

Tell me, Soren, do you think the world should recognise the Russian annexation of the Crimea?   What about the impending annexation of Transnistria?  If we let Israel get away with it's annexation how are you going to argue against the Russian efforts?  Mmm?

As always, your shortsightedness and Islamophobia blind you to the broader ramifications of what is happening in Palestine.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 12:49am:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren.

;D


Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously.

Being attacked means it defends itself, including by creating a buffer zone. Once the attacks stop for good and Israel is recognised by all the Arab states that currently finance the attacks on it, it will negotiate the future of the Occupied Territories with partners who accept and support its existence. 
Israel would be mad to hand territory  - again, after Gaza - to people who are aiming to destroy it.

And if you think self-defence by Israel is just 'excuses' then you are mad.

Soren wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Being attacked means it defends itself, including by creating a buffer zone. Once the attacks stop for good and Israel is recognised by all the Arab states that currently finance the attacks on it, it will negotiate the future of the Occupied Territories with partners who accept and support its existence.  Israel would be mad to hand territory  - again, after Gaza - to people who are aiming to destroy it. And if you think self-defence by Israel is just 'excuses' then you are mad.

Listen to Golda Meir - the biggest load of propaganda I’ve ever heard the old boy sprout.

Germany should still be occupying Poland for the same reason.

No one has the right not to be offended, eh?

Soren wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously.

Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren.

Personally, I believe the Palestinians in Gaza may now regret electing Hamas to lead them but unfortunately it's a bit hard to get rid of them now they control and oppress the Palestinians in Gaza.

Perhaps they will rebel against them but they may not.  They may continue to support them, as long as Israel keeps pounding Gaza in it's knee jerk reactions of "an eye for an eye".    ::)

However, those events lay outside the period under discussion, Soren.  Nice attempt to divert attention away from the reality that after 1948, Israel has greatly expanded it's territory and is attempting to ethnically cleanse the Occupied Territory.

Another matter that the UN once nearly went to war over in the Balkans when Christians attempted to ethnically cleanse Bosnia of Muslims.   President Clinton declared like his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush did WRT to Kuwait, that "aggressors should not be allowed to prosper" and that "ethnic cleansing is not acceptable."

Appears you, OTOH believe otherwise and that Israel, which has both attempted annexation and ethnic cleansing should be allowed to prosper.  Tsk, tsk, we see yet again how out of whack your moral compass is, Soren.   Your Islamophobia controls you it seems.     ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren.

They laughed at Mohammed when he went to them with his 'revelation'. The Arabs never forgave them for that. It's in the Koran.

Soren wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:45pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren. They laughed at Mohammed when he went to them with his 'revelation'. The Arabs never forgave them for that. It's in the Koran.

Really?

Oh, well, just as well the Jewish and Christian Prophets were so welcomed then, right?

Luke 4:24
Mark 6:4
Matthew 13:57

::)

Soren wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:45pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren. They laughed at Mohammed when he went to them with his 'revelation'. The Arabs never forgave them for that. It's in the Koran.

True, Golda, but if you want to.work on a solution, take off your stool-encrusted herring necklace and engage in actual diplomacy with your Semitic Musel enemy/self.

The blasphemer Yeheshua turned water into.wine. If you want to raze Gaza apartment blocks, at least have the decency to give back some cement. Loaves and fishes, innit.

Think of Hitler when you cordon off the buffer zone, dear. He was a vegetarian too.

Karnal wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 6:47pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:45pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren. They laughed at Mohammed when he went to them with his 'revelation'. The Arabs never forgave them for that. It's in the Koran. True, Golda, but if you want to.work on a solution, take off your stool-encrusted herring necklace and engage in actual diplomacy with your Semitic Musel enemy/self. The blasphemer Yeheshua turned water into.wine. If you want to raze Gaza apartment blocks, at least have the decency to give back some cement. Loaves and fishes, innit. Think of Hitler when you cordon off the buffer zone, dear. He was a vegetarian too.

Th Musel started firing rockets from...er... apartment blocks. The Musel carried out terrorist attacks so a wall had to be built. The Musel was given lotsa diplomatic offers and opportunities, not to mention aid and of course cement, but the Musel likes blowing up pizzerias, bus stops, and to kill the infidel wherever he finds him.

Soren wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:45am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 8:57pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 6:47pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:45pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren. They laughed at Mohammed when he went to them with his 'revelation'. The Arabs never forgave them for that. It's in the Koran. True, Golda, but if you want to.work on a solution, take off your stool-encrusted herring necklace and engage in actual diplomacy with your Semitic Musel enemy/self. The blasphemer Yeheshua turned water into.wine. If you want to raze Gaza apartment blocks, at least have the decency to give back some cement. Loaves and fishes, innit. Think of Hitler when you cordon off the buffer zone, dear. He was a vegetarian too. Th Musel started firing rockets from...er... apartment blocks. The Musel carried out terrorist attacks so a wall had to be built. The Musel was given lotsa diplomatic offers and opportunities, not to mention aid and of course cement, but the Musel likes blowing up pizzerias, bus stops, and to kill the infidel wherever he finds him.

Any Musel in Gaza and Golan Heights is living on occupied land, Golda Meir. It's pretty hard to defend this, particularly when the UN has passed numerous resolutions declaring this.

The only politician outside Israel who doesn't recognise this fact, it seems, is George Brandis.

Poor Soren, how many times does he have to be told that the wall came before the rockets?

Karnal wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 10:45am: Karnal wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 8:57pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 6:47pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 5:45pm: Soren wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm: So, you denying that Israel has expanded beyond it's UN Mandated borders, Lionel?    ::) Because??? Because it was attacked. Excuses, Soren. ;D Israel handed back Gaza only to be attacked continuously. Makes you wonder what the Israelis did to deserve such hatred, Soren. They laughed at Mohammed when he went to them with his 'revelation'. The Arabs never forgave them for that. It's in the Koran. True, Golda, but if you want to.work on a solution, take off your stool-encrusted herring necklace and engage in actual diplomacy with your Semitic Musel enemy/self. The blasphemer Yeheshua turned water into.wine. If you want to raze Gaza apartment blocks, at least have the decency to give back some cement. Loaves and fishes, innit. Think of Hitler when you cordon off the buffer zone, dear. He was a vegetarian too. Th Musel started firing rockets from...er... apartment blocks. The Musel carried out terrorist attacks so a wall had to be built. The Musel was given lotsa diplomatic offers and opportunities, not to mention aid and of course cement, but the Musel likes blowing up pizzerias, bus stops, and to kill the infidel wherever he finds him. Any Musel in Gaza and Golan Heights is living on occupied land, Golda Meir. It's pretty hard to defend this, particularly when the UN has passed numerous resolutions declaring this. The only politician outside Israel who doesn't recognise this fact, it seems, is George Brandis.

The Musel attacked, the Jews won and occupied a bit more of the buffer zone.  Good luck to them.

No Musel attack - no Jew victory, no extension of buffer zone necessary. 

How about that - no Musel attack. They have tried everything else, why not try that?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm:

Poor Soren, how many times does he have to be told that the wall came before the rockets?

What? They built the wall because they didn't know what to do with all that Gaza cement?


ANyway, Israel is there, has been for 70 years and it's not going to be wiped out by the Arabs.
So what's the smart thing to do now? Carry on like it's 1948 (or 632) for ever, or say, as the Palestinians should, let's make the most of the Jewish presence, let's work with them.
It is economically, culturally far more successful than any Arab or Muslim country - if you take oil out of the equation, or even if you leave the oil in, as with Kuwait. Israel is better off than Kuwait, an oil rich Arab country of 4 million.

It is only Islam that prevent the Muslim Arabs from recognising reality. It is only Islam that doesn't let them stop the attacks, get down to the negotiating table and get themselves a good deal so they children can grow up in peace and in prosperity.

But they won't because they are too thick.

As the Jews say every morning, 'Thank you Lord for giving us the Arabs as enemies'. 
It IS a blessing to have the Arabs as your enemies. Coulda been woyse.
Coulda been some - what's the word? - sharp 'uns.