Quote:

BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url]

I guess it's like the Catholics in Ireland saying the Protestants are giving Christianity a bad name eh Brian?

Are the Shiites a minority sect compared to the sunnis?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url]

Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.

wally1 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.

True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

I guess it's like the Catholics in Ireland saying the Protestants are giving Christianity a bad name eh Brian?

Yep.  What you should always remember, Baron is no one admits their version of a religion is "extremist".  It's always the other mob, over there.   You look back the history of Protestantism and Catholicism, both have had their share of extremists, forgotten the 30 Years War or the Requonista or the Conquistadores?


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Are the Shiites a minority sect compared to the sunnis?

I don't know, Baron?  Perhaps you can tell us how Kurds are Muslim?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::)

I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::) I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

Spot on.

Engaging with Islamic ideology at any level - Brain's, Hezb'allah's, Gandalf's - is a trip down the rabbit hole with Alice into the surreal Other-world where nothing is as you would expect.

Islam is a different psychic world.  Our mad are their saints. There is no shared symbolism, no shared signifiers.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Brian.

And thank you, old boy. Most semiotic.

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::) I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

LOL






Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/1#1

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The truth is that in the real 'ISLAMIC' world, every distinct moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with and against, every other distinct ISLAMIC group. Each and every distinct ISLAMIC group [separated by distance from each other], will assert that - they only - are the true expression of pure ISLAM. And therefore it is they alone, who have the right to both subjugate and to rule over every other ISLAMIC group [....even those moslems who ostensibly belong their own moslem faction]. It is true!           :) Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/49#49 [quote] Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group. There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died. Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM. And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians. The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!! ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!! The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!! And so it is, with every moslem group. Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM. And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US. It is true!           :) WAKE UP.

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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.


Brian,

That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM.

ISIS know it.

Al-Qaeda know it

The Saudis know it

And all Shia moslems [who are broadly aligned with the mullahs of Iran], know it.

And all of those groups claim to be the only true, and the only pure, 'moslem' [....to the exclusion of their other 'competitors'].       :D







Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4






ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Soren wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::) I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are. Spot on. Engaging with Islamic ideology at any level - Brain's, Hezb'allah's, Gandalf's - is a trip down the rabbit hole with Alice into the surreal Other-world where nothing is as you would expect. Islam is a different psychic world.  Our mad are their saints. There is no shared symbolism, no shared signifiers.

Except for Islam's use of the same source material...

Soren, as I've remarked in the past, you choose, deliberately because of your Islamophobia to emphasise the differences between Christianity and Islam and Judaism, whereas I look at the similarities, of which there are so many.     ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::) I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

And regular muslims? I hope your not still whinging about me characterising your views as saying all muslims are secretly ISIS at heart.

Yes Gandalf. Even if I don't actually say it, you know what I really mean.

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Yes Gandalf. Even if I don't actually say it, you know what I really mean.

No no, FD, if G doesn’t say it, we all know what he really means.

G’s wishy washy Western thinking is all an elaborate ruse designed to lower our defenses and bring down our guard until one day - pow. Right in the kisser.

We all know what the Muselman really means.

Google: taqiyya.

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Yes Gandalf. Even if I don't actually say it, you know what I really mean.

And if I ask you again do you actually mean that - are you going to obfuscate with another rhetorical question rather than give a straight answer?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 1:01am:

Soren wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::) I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are. Spot on. Engaging with Islamic ideology at any level - Brain's, Hezb'allah's, Gandalf's - is a trip down the rabbit hole with Alice into the surreal Other-world where nothing is as you would expect. Islam is a different psychic world.  Our mad are their saints. There is no shared symbolism, no shared signifiers. Except for Islam's use of the same source material... Soren, as I've remarked in the past, you choose, deliberately because of your Islamophobia to emphasise the differences between Christianity and Islam and Judaism, whereas I look at the similarities, of which there are so many.     ::)

Islam is similar in the sense that it is a misunderstanding of both Judaism and Christianity. 

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::)

Hezbollah (Party of God) are terrorists who take their orders from Iran.

Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_604fvjg_Sw

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm: wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am: Quote: BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam. [url=http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2014/Oct-27/275538-nasrallah-takfiris-present-muslims-as-savages.ashx]Source[/url] Article is abit misleading. Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad. Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon. True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    ::) Hezbollah (Party of God) are terrorists who take their orders from Iran.

Yes.  Who's denied it, Baron?   ::)


Quote:

Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron.   You do know what "Takfiri" are?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Quote: Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian? However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron. You do know what "Takfiri" are?   ::)

Takfiri.

Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ?

They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).



e.g.
gandalf is Takfiri to ISIS.

And ISIS are Takfiri to gandalf's bros.

And of course gandalf and his associates are a part of the only real moslem community.         ;)

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 1:55pm: Quote: Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian? However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron. You do know what "Takfiri" are?   ::) Takfiri. Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ? They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

No, they are not, Yadda.

A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot.


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Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that     [quote]"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri#Classification]Source[/url]

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 2:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 1:55pm: Quote: Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian? However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron. You do know what "Takfiri" are?   ::) Takfiri. Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ? They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2). No, they are not, Yadda. A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot. [quote] Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that     [quote]"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri#Classification]Source[/url]

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Or as Chetserton put is (much better):
A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it. There are no sacraments; the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse, as unique as the end of the world; so the apocalypse can only be repeated and the world end again and again. There are no priests; and yet this equality can only breed a multitude if lawless prophets almost as numerous as priests. The very dogma that there is only one Mahomet produces an endless procession of Mahomets.

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 1:55pm: Quote: Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian? However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron. You do know what "Takfiri" are?   ::) Takfiri. Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ? They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

No, they are not, Yadda. A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot. Quote: Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that     [quote]"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri#Classification]Source[/url]

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Nah.

You are wrong brian.

takfir [the root of takfiri],       is when moslem #1, declares moslem #2, in fact, to be a non-moslem.
[i.e. making moslem #2 ripe for holy and righteous slaughter by, moslem #1 and his mates and his bros]







Google;
takfir



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About 421,000 results (0.19 seconds) Search Results     Takfir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia     en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir     In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of excommunication, one Muslim declaring a non-Muslim or an apostate, an ...     Takfiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia     en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri     A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري‎ takfīrī) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy. The accusation itself is called ...

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A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري‎ takfīrī) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy.[1] The accusation itself is called takfir, derived from the word kafir (infidel), and is described as when "one who is, or claims to be, a Muslim is declared impure."[2]

Soren wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 2:56pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 2:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28th, 2014 at 1:55pm: Quote: Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian? However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron. You do know what "Takfiri" are?   ::) Takfiri. Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ? They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2). No, they are not, Yadda. A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot. [quote] Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that     [quote]"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri#Classification]Source[/url]

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Or as Chetserton put is (much better):
A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it. There are no sacraments; the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse, as unique as the end of the world; so the apocalypse can only be repeated and the world end again and again. There are no priests; and yet this equality can only breed a multitude if lawless prophets almost as numerous as priests.

The very dogma that there is only one Mahomet produces an endless procession of Mahomets.

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There is a coming plague of them [Mohammed's], in the UK;

Google;
Mohammed, the most popular name for baby boys in the UK



Oh for joy!      :P