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Is it Pickering again?

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

Is it Pickering again?

Heard pickering used to be married to a muslim malay lady.

Ive been to KL and penang, beautiful places.

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

Is it Pickering again?

Better: The Daily Mail.

"British newspaper aimed at conservative, middle class housewives."

Perfect for Herbie.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=daily%20mail

"It claims to be a moral voice of the people but is in fact a paper designed to indulge the quasi-racist/homophobic/bigotted views held by much of middle england."

Sound like anyone we know?

"The Daily Mail burns rather nicely and is just the right size to cover cat litter trays."

http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/

After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain.

that's muslims for you.

they lie and kill

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

Is it Pickering again?

Looking to shoot the messenger?

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain.

so its not legaL to kill someone for apostasy in Malaysia then. Glad we cleared that up. Could have sworn I stated that at the start of your little argument over a law which doesnt exist.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain.

its fear that they control with.....and lack of education although I believe the Catholic church has its quirky little punishments and look at the Seventh Day Adventists..

its peoples thinking they mess with.....so many tell their flock how to dress what time to eat or even turn over in bed....Islam is not alone..

I have a friend over there atm-- hope he is ok  :(

ian wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 12:17pm: After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain. so its not legaL to kill someone for apostasy in Malaysia then. Glad we cleared that up. Could have sworn I stated that at the start of your little argument over a law which doesnt exist.

The state legislature passed the law - reflecting the locals' support. The federal constitution - inherited from Britain, ie not devised by the locals - stood in the way.

What does that tell you about the local SUPPORT for the death penalty for apostasy? It tells me it's strong.  It also tells me that it is the Britannic inheritance that prevented the Malays to make their support into binding law.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain.

Which state was that, FD?

I discovered that the death penalty in Malaysia is administered by the High Court. There are only two High Courts in Malaysia, and none come under state jurisdiction.

ian wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 12:17pm: After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain. so its not legaL to kill someone for apostasy in Malaysia then. Glad we cleared that up. Could have sworn I stated that at the start of your little argument over a law which doesnt exist.

I’m sure FD will tell us how such a law could have been passed (before being overturned as unconstitutional).

FD couldn’t possibly be confusing laws that are passed with laws that are suggested by radical fringe groups. He’s not adverse to a bit of taqiyya, but he’s not that dumb.

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

ian wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 2:45pm: freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 12:17pm: After watching Gandalf and Brian insist over many pages that the Malaysian Muslims do not really mean it when they say they support the death penalty for apostasy, I discovered that one state in Malaysia (which is dominated by Muslims) had actually passed the death penalty for apostasy into law, and was only stopped by the federal constitution they had inherited from Britain. so its not legaL to kill someone for apostasy in Malaysia then. Glad we cleared that up. Could have sworn I stated that at the start of your little argument over a law which doesnt exist. The state legislature passed the law - reflecting the locals' support. The federal constitution - inherited from Britain, ie not devised by the locals - stood in the way.

Here’s the old boy providing us with some clarification. It will be good to find out which state passed this law so we can settle the matter once and for all.

Perhaps the old boy can fill us in.

The Mole wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

I have a friend over there atm-- hope he is ok  :(

Me too. Let’s hope he doesn’t accidentally commit apostacy and get executed under a non-existent state law.

Karnal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

It will be good to find out which state passed this law so we can settle the matter once and for all.

Both Kelantan and Terrenganu states have hudud laws on the statutes. Purely symbolic though as they never did and never will have any chance of actually being implemented.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:01pm: It will be good to find out which state passed this law so we can settle the matter once and for all. Both Kelantan and Terrenganu states have hudud laws on the statutes. Purely symbolic though as they never did and never will have any chance of actually being implemented.

Do any of the Hudud laws include the death penalty?

wally1 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:02am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 9:37am: Is it Pickering again? Heard pickering used to be married to a muslim malay lady. Ive been to KL and penang, beautiful places.

So have I.

Mosquitoes, humidity, endemic corruption, and it's the children who have to support their parents in their old age ... an absolute paradise.

And now the Muslim nutters are agitating for stricter sharia law, with females returned to being chattels, homosexuals returned to the stoning pits, and apostates to be swung from construction cranes.

You, Wally, are a perfect example of the sort of Muslim I would summarily have deported from Australia as a hostile alien whose only reason for remaining in this country is for its economic benefits.

In all other ways you are an enemy of Australian society.

You are very lucky that Australia's two major parties - the Liberal and Labour parties are both far left socialist in their social policies. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

You are very lucky that Australia's two major parties - the Liberal and Labour parties are both far left socialist in their social policies.

Sensei, I fear you are mistaken.  Both parties are of the Right!    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

wally1 wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 10:02am: Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 9:37am: Is it Pickering again? Heard pickering used to be married to a muslim malay lady. Ive been to KL and penang, beautiful places. So have I. Mosquitoes, humidity, endemic corruption, and it's the children who have to support their parents in their old age ... an absolute paradise. And now the Muslim nutters are agitating for stricter sharia law, with females returned to being chattels, homosexuals returned to the stoning pits, and apostates to be swung from construction cranes. You, Wally, are a perfect example of the sort of Muslim I would summarily have deported from Australia as a hostile alien whose only reason for remaining in this country is for its economic benefits. In all other ways you are an enemy of Australian society. You are very lucky that Australia's two major parties - the Liberal and Labour parties are both far left socialist in their social policies.

Your funny, get off the crack pipe.

I was born here, aussie born and bred.

Your the invader who lives off our aussie welfare system and abuses our medicare system for all the cocaine related health problems you brought onto yourself.

|dev|null wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:33pm: You are very lucky that Australia's two major parties - the Liberal and Labour parties are both far left socialist in their social policies.  Sensei, I fear you are mistaken.  Both parties are of the Right!    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

For a Bolshie, EVERYONE is on the right.

wally1 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

I was born here, aussie born and bred.

If you're a Muslim then you're most certainly not "aussie ... bred".

Australia doesn't breed Muslims ... only Muslims breed Muslims.

Abbott deciding on increasing the Muslim refugee intake by 7000 a year is incontrovertible proof that although he is an economic rightwinger ~ his social policies even outstrip that of the Gillard-Rudd Soviet Socialist regime.

I saw Abbott on the TV in Iraq yesterday telling the troops that their efforts against ISIS is helping to protect Australians from terrorism at home.

What utter delusional nonsense. What farsical idiocy.

The only effect western troops over there have on our domestic situation is to stir up paranoid animosities in our own Muslim ghettoes against us.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Abbott deciding on increasing the Muslim refugee intake by 7000 a year is incontrovertible proof that although he is an economic rightwinger ~ his social policies even outstrip that of the Gillard-Rudd Soviet Socialist regime.

Please provide a link to any government policy or decree that refers to refugee quotas by religion.

Thanks, Herbie. Your posts are always fully sourced and backed up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:01pm: It will be good to find out which state passed this law so we can settle the matter once and for all. Both Kelantan and Terrenganu states have hudud laws on the statutes. Purely symbolic though as they never did and never will have any chance of actually being implemented.

Let's not mistake their impotence for benign intent. And only extreme naivete would lead someone to believe they will never get what they want.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Let's not mistake their impotence for benign intent. And only extreme naivete would lead someone to believe they will never get what they want.

Do you think its possible the fact that these laws never have and never will have a dogs chance in hell of ever being used was an influencing factor in getting them through?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:15pm: Let's not mistake their impotence for benign intent. And only extreme naivete would lead someone to believe they will never get what they want. Do you think its possible the fact that these laws never have and never will have a dogs chance in hell of ever being used was an influencing factor in getting them through?

Which, of course, in no way negates the point that there IS support for the death penalty for apostasy to the extent that the 'people's representatives' would make such a show of it.

Which in no way negates the fact that it is a hell of a lot easier to support drastic laws in principle when you know it is purely symbolic and will have precisely zero impact. That goes for enacting laws that you know will never be used just the same as it goes for answering "yes" to a consequence-free survey question.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:15pm: Let's not mistake their impotence for benign intent. And only extreme naivete would lead someone to believe they will never get what they want. Do you think its possible the fact that these laws never have and never will have a dogs chance in hell of ever being used was an influencing factor in getting them through?

That must be it. They are stuck inside your infinite loop of circular reasoning.

The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious.

Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:15pm: Let's not mistake their impotence for benign intent. And only extreme naivete would lead someone to believe they will never get what they want. Do you think its possible the fact that these laws never have and never will have a dogs chance in hell of ever being used was an influencing factor in getting them through?

We still don’t have any understanding of which stare laws on the death penalty were ever legislated.

The old boy seems to think they’re unconstitutional (or British). FD, as usual, is keeping mum.

Do you know?

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:36pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 5:33pm: You are very lucky that Australia's two major parties - the Liberal and Labour parties are both far left socialist in their social policies.  Sensei, I fear you are mistaken.  Both parties are of the Right!    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D For a Bolshie, EVERYONE is on the right.

And for a Fascist, everybody is on the left, Soren.  Correct?  What does that suggest about Herbie's analysis of where the two major parties lie on the Australian political spectrum?   ::)

Personally, I believe both major parties are meant to be of the centre but in reality the Tories have moved over the last 30 years significantly to the right, since the ALP took over most of their economic policies in the 1980s. Since then the "dries" as Mrs.Thatcher referred to them have come to predominate, while the "wets", the real Liberals have lost control of their party. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

wally1 wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:13pm: I was born here, aussie born and bred. If you're a Muslim then you're most certainly not "aussie ... bred". Australia doesn't breed Muslims ... only Muslims breed Muslims.

So, an Aussie can IYO, Herbie never be a Muslim?   ::)

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious.

You do understand the principles of democracy, don't you, FD?

'cause your statement is oxymoronic.   ::)


Quote:

Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam.

So does Australia and the US and the UK, thanks to Christianity.  Why single out Malaysia and Islam, except because of your Islamophobia, FD?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:57pm: The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious. You do understand the principles of democracy, don't you, FD? 'cause your statement is oxymoronic.   ::) Quote: Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam. So does Australia and the US and the UK, thanks to Christianity.  Why single out Malaysia and Islam, except because of your Islamophobia, FD?   ::)

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

I have no interest in defending Islam but I will defend innocent Muslims.  Do you want to persecute them for what their co-religionists may have done?

Interesting and convoluted thinking there, Quantum.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

So, an Aussie can IYO, Herbie never be a Muslim?   ::)

In my personal view? ~ Correct.

Same with those who hold dual citizenship.

Being a Muslim, their loyalties are forever embedded with the global Islam of their shia or sunni affiliations.

In a street poll in Sydney's Muslim ghetto of Lakemba, the respondents all replied that sharia law is 'God's law' and therefore trumps any laws made in Canberra.

That pretty much says where their primary loyalties lie.

Islam is foreign to western sensibilities and its cultural heritage.

What are they calling their Australian-born kids? Mohammad ... Aisha ... Mustafa ... etc.

Australians? I don't think so.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened... So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

They are implicated.

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm: freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:57pm: The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious. You do understand the principles of democracy, don't you, FD? 'cause your statement is oxymoronic.   ::) Quote: Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam. So does Australia and the US and the UK, thanks to Christianity.  Why single out Malaysia and Islam, except because of your Islamophobia, FD?   ::) Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

people like brian are apologetic lefty cowards

the muzzies will overrun them with consummate ease

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:44pm: Quantum wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened... So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris? They are implicated.

How?  Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 9:34am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:44pm: Quantum wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened... So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris? They are implicated. How?  Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Either Muslims - here, there, everywhere - get on board with the whole free speech, free expression of ideas thing or they continue to exclude themselves from the liberal democratic process and viewed with suspicion and disdain or worse.

There cannot be 'free speech except about Islam'. Certainly not in Western democracies.

Most Muslims are "on board" Soren.  The problem is with the minority who aren't.  You however keep telling us that all Muslims aren't "on board" without any proof other than your prejudice.  Stop persecuting Muslims because of your fear, your inability to accommodate people who are different to yourself.  It is unbecoming in a modern, liberal democratic society.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 12:14pm: Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 9:34am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:44pm: Quantum wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened... So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris? They are implicated. How?  Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Either Muslims - here, there, everywhere - get on board with the whole free speech, free expression of ideas thing or they continue to exclude themselves from the liberal democratic process and viewed with suspicion and disdain or worse. There cannot be 'free speech except about Islam'. Certainly not in Western democracies.

According to Gandalf there can. It's just a different type of free speech. Gandalf thinks the majority of Australians are with him on this one.

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 1:26pm: |dev|null wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 12:14pm: Soren wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 9:34am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:44pm: Quantum wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity. The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened... So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris? They are implicated. How?  Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Either Muslims - here, there, everywhere - get on board with the whole free speech, free expression of ideas thing or they continue to exclude themselves from the liberal democratic process and viewed with suspicion and disdain or worse. There cannot be 'free speech except about Islam'. Certainly not in Western democracies. According to Gandalf there can. It's just a different type of free speech. Gandalf thinks the majority of Australians are with him on this one.

It’s the same with the old boy. His self-proclaimed right to be mendacious about Muselmen exludes the right to tell porkies about Lutherans and Freudians. You believe this too, FD.

We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom. After all, it’s the next South Korea, no?

No one has the right to not be mendacious - except your Muselman.

Karnal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

It’s the same with the old boy. His self-proclaimed right to be mendacious about Muselmen exludes the right to tell porkies about Lutherans and Freudians.

Where do you get this nonsense from, PB? Mendacious lying again?

Karnal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom.

You should have seen FD's hysterics when I dared suggested our beloved ANZACs weren't fighting for freedom or democracy when we invaded Turkey.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 10:36pm: We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom. You should have seen FD's hysterics when I dared suggested our beloved ANZACs weren't fighting for freedom or democracy when we invaded Turkey.

The ANZACS attacked Turkey because the British High Command wanted to have control of the Dardanelle Strait. When in control of the forts along the shore you can sail right up into Russia. The reason they wanted to do this is to create a second front with Russia to attack Germany from 2 sides. That's the reason for Galipoli. Not to invade and control Turkey itself.

Exactly - for freedom and democracy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

Exactly - for freedom and democracy.

To beat Germany. Considering Germany was stealing people countries it was in a way. Turkey was stealing peoples countries too.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:09am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:07am: Exactly - for freedom and democracy. To beat Germany. Considering Germany was stealing people countries it was in a way. Turkey was stealing peoples countries too.

Indeed - I mean its not like Britain and France didn't control half the world at that time with an iron fist. No way, Germany was the bad guy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:13am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:09am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:07am: Exactly - for freedom and democracy. To beat Germany. Considering Germany was stealing people countries it was in a way. Turkey was stealing peoples countries too. Indeed - I mean its not like Britain and France didn't control half the world at that time with an iron fist. No way, Germany was the bad guy.

Of course it was about maintaining empire. Turkey ran the middle east. They were trying to maintain theirs. Germany were trying to expand theirs. They are all as bad as one another.

Good grief - everyone as bad as each other?

FD won't have a bar of that. You better wash your mouth out Rock.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Good grief - everyone as bad as each other? FD won't have a bar of that. You better wash your mouth out Rock.

I hate empires. It's the castle  for  rich, ambitious  greedy pigs who whip up young men into a frenzy to maintain their interests. I can understand them fighting Germany though. They weren't as bad as ISIS but if you aren't German then your crap.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Good grief - everyone as bad as each other? FD won't have a bar of that. You better wash your mouth out Rock.

What Rock meant to say is that everyone’s as bad as each other unless they do it in.the name of Freeeedom.

It’s okay then.

The allies had every right to invade Turkey.

Turkey shelled Russian ports under the guise of a neutral flag, this caused the allies to declare war on the muslims who had broken their treaty in true islamic fashion.

Prior to turkey officially entering the first world war


August 1914 two German warships the Goeben and the Breslau were officially offered to (and accepted by) the Turks, both ships then flew the Turkish flag. They were given Turkish names. The ships were renamed Midilli and Yavûz Sultân Selîm, respectively. (the Goeben officially became the Yavuz Sultan Selim) After raising the Turkish flag they formally became a part of the Turkish navy.

On the 28-29th of September the German warships under the Turkish flag shelled Odessa, Sebastopol and Novorossiisk. The Russian ports and navigation incurred a serious damage.

On the 30th of October the ambassadors of Russia, Great Britain and France in Constantinopol handed a 12-hour ultimatum over to the Turkish government demanding to open the straights and stop naval raids. The ultimatum stayed unanswered – the next day Turkey entered the war on the side of Germany and Austria-Hungary.

So there we have it muslims doing what muslims do best, slaughtering people under the guise of a neutral flag, breaking their truce as a supposed neutral country,

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 10:36pm: We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom. You should have seen FD's hysterics when I dared suggested our beloved ANZACs weren't fighting for freedom or democracy when we invaded Turkey.

Gandalf are you upset that we forced Turkey to divert critical resources away from the genocide of the Armenians?

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:47am: Karnal wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 10:36pm: We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom. You should have seen FD's hysterics when I dared suggested our beloved ANZACs weren't fighting for freedom or democracy when we invaded Turkey. Gandalf are you upset that we forced Turkey to divert critical resources away from the genocide of the Armenians?

I’ll bet he is, FD.

That’s just the sort of self-sacrificing, Freeeedom-loving people we Australians are. We allowed ourselves to be slaughtered in Gallipoli to divert critical resources away from the genocide of the Armenians.

Lest we forget, eh?

;D that certainly is a new and interesting spin on our little expedition!

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:09am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:07am: Exactly - for freedom and democracy. To beat Germany. Considering Germany was stealing people countries it was in a way. Turkey was stealing peoples countries too.

Were they?  Where?  You do realise that Turkey was the victim in WWI?  It was actively attacked first, by the British and French.  It was complicit with Germany's attack on Russia in the Black Sea but didn't actually take part itself.

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:47am: Karnal wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 10:36pm: We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom. You should have seen FD's hysterics when I dared suggested our beloved ANZACs weren't fighting for freedom or democracy when we invaded Turkey. Gandalf are you upset that we forced Turkey to divert critical resources away from the genocide of the Armenians?

How did we do that?  Considering the Genocide didn't really take off until AFTER the attack at Gallipoli.    ::)

;D good point Brian.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

;D that certainly is a new and interesting spin on our little expedition!

FD is able to spin even the most pointless and imperial war into (a) a crusade for Freeeedom and (b) a struggle against Islam.

FD, you see, believes in a jolly world.

|dev|null wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

Most Muslims are "on board" Soren.  The problem is with the minority who aren't.

Ridiculous nonsense.

Most Muslims are on board with Islam, not godless liberal democracy.  Apostate Muslims are on board with liberal democracy.

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Were they?  Where?  You do realise that Turkey was the victim in WWI?  It was actively attacked first, by the British and French.  It was complicit with Germany's attack on Russia in the Black Sea but didn't actually take part itself.

muslims allowing their countries neutral national flag to be used in a terrorist stealth attack on unsuspecting victims is not complicit?

The list of apologist's excuses /  exonerations grows by the day.

August 1914 two German warships the Goeben and the Breslau were officially offered to (and accepted by) the Turks, both ships then flew the Turkish flag. They were given Turkish names. The ships were renamed Midilli and Yavûz Sultân Selîm, respectively. (the Goeben officially became the Yavuz Sultan Selim) After raising the Turkish flag they formally became a part of the Turkish navy.

muslims allowing ships formally part of their navy to be used in terrorist attacks using the muslim's supposedly neutral flag, is not complicit?

The list of apologist's excuses /  exonerations grows by the day.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

;D that certainly is a new and interesting spin on our little expedition!

You were so busy trying to put a negative spin on the efforts of Australian soldiers that it slipped your mind that our enemy at the time were engaged in the mass genocide of the Armenians. This is perfectly understandable of course, given the Islamic propaganda efforts to whitewash it from history.

Holocaust? What holocaust?

Oh good one FD - resorting to the mindnumbingly tired "because he opposes our unjustified aggression against an arsehole - he there supports that arsehole".

You really are reaching new lows today.

Meanwhile, you go on convincing yourself our invasion of a sovereign nation was all about stopping a genocide that hadn't even started. I mean its probably not the most stupid thing you've thought up today.