Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a trace gas that, by itself, will produce little warming. Also, as carbon dioxide increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic. Therefore, the more carbon dioxide, the less warming it produces, shattering long-held theories that this naturally occurring gas that is essential for life is the cause of global warming!

What's the matter, GW? Can't handle the truth?

Oh sorry a.p, didn't notice your attempt at gaining my attention until now.

So are you contacting the majority of climate scientists with your scientific breakthrough?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a trace gas that, by itself, will produce little warming. Also, as carbon dioxide increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic. Therefore, the more carbon dioxide, the less warming it produces, shattering long-held theories that this naturally occurring gas that is essential for life is the cause of global warming!

Tony Wattsupwiththat.com - the retired TV weatherman ?

... or former model & children's TV hostess - Joanne "Nova" ?

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:52am: Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a trace gas that, by itself, will produce little warming. Also, as carbon dioxide increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic. Therefore, the more carbon dioxide, the less warming it produces, shattering long-held theories that this naturally occurring gas that is essential for life is the cause of global warming! Tony Wattsupwiththat.com - the retired TV weatherman ? ... or former model & children's TV hostess - Joanne "Nova" ?

Looks lke Joseph D'Aleo, because everyone should get their facts from creation scientists ::)

Just as the true believers* don't say global warming much anymore, but climate change, so they don't refer to carbon dioxide much, rather it's just carbon - instant chemical transformation.

*Since the true believers no longer had communism to dedicate their hearts & minds to, the whole climate scenario, with its oscillations between ice ages and heat waves, has been their propaganda battlefield of choice.

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Oh sorry a.p, didn't notice your attempt at gaining my attention until now. So are you contacting the majority of climate scientists with your scientific breakthrough?

Can you contact them to explain the Holocene?

Swagman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:06am: Oh sorry a.p, didn't notice your attempt at gaining my attention until now. So are you contacting the majority of climate scientists with your scientific breakthrough? Can you contact them to explain the Holocene?

No thanks. I trust in their education that gained the qualifications they have, and so the scientific deductions they have derived.

Stratos wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:09am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:52am: Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a trace gas that, by itself, will produce little warming. Also, as carbon dioxide increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic. Therefore, the more carbon dioxide, the less warming it produces, shattering long-held theories that this naturally occurring gas that is essential for life is the cause of global warming! Tony Wattsupwiththat.com - the retired TV weatherman ? ... or former model & children's TV hostess - Joanne "Nova" ? Looks lke Joseph D'Aleo, because everyone should get their facts from creation scientists ::)

By JOVE !



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Carbon dioxide is a trace gas and by itself will produce little warming. Also, as CO2 increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic so the more CO2, the less warming it produces. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%27Aleo#Climate_change

Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked.

You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet.

It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247

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____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247

an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant.

all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247 an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant. all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed.

"Hiatus"

Good to see your back peddling has started.

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:21pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247 an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant. all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed. "Hiatus" Good to see your back peddling has started.

hiatus and pause mean the same thing.  imagine if you had an education!

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:55am: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:06am: Oh sorry a.p, didn't notice your attempt at gaining my attention until now. So are you contacting the majority of climate scientists with your scientific breakthrough? Can you contact them to explain the Holocene? No thanks. I trust in their education that gained the qualifications they have, and so the scientific deductions they have derived.

So was the Holocene warming (which we are still in) caused by cavemen's camp fires or Mammoth flatulence or what?

:D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:21pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247 an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant. all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed. "Hiatus" Good to see your back peddling has started. hiatus and pause mean the same thing.  imagine if you had an education!

And it plateaued previously, followed by a steep rise. Yet the trajectory was, and still is, up.

Swagman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:01am: Swagman wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:55am: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:06am: Oh sorry a.p, didn't notice your attempt at gaining my attention until now. So are you contacting the majority of climate scientists with your scientific breakthrough? Can you contact them to explain the Holocene? No thanks. I trust in their education that gained the qualifications they have, and so the scientific deductions they have derived. So was the Holocene warming (which we are still in) caused by cavemen's camp fires or Mammoth flatulence or what? :D

And what has this go to do with massive amounts of greenhouse gases being released today. Or is trying to point to other eras and other elements in a different equation, the only way you have left to stymieing the discussion on handling unconscious geo engineering of the planet occurring now?

Can we discuss the current human geo engineering ... just for once?

Was the first post in this thread the equivalent of "I'm stupid". ?

A cry for help.?

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 2:41pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:21pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247 an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant. all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed. "Hiatus" Good to see your back peddling has started. hiatus and pause mean the same thing.  imagine if you had an education! And it plateaued previously, followed by a steep rise. Yet the trajectory was, and still is, up.

there has never been a steep rise (or drop) ever.  and wince the ENTIRE TEMPERATURE rise you lot complain about is 0.8degrees it is hard to see what the fuss is all about.  and you will notice how no one is saying the 18year pause has stopped - only you.  And you are almost the living definition of the word 'non-credible'.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 3:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 2:41pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:21pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247 an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant. all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed. "Hiatus" Good to see your back peddling has started. hiatus and pause mean the same thing.  imagine if you had an education! And it plateaued previously, followed by a steep rise. Yet the trajectory was, and still is, up. there has never been a steep rise (or drop) ever.  and wince the ENTIRE TEMPERATURE rise you lot complain about is 0.8degrees it is hard to see what the fuss is all about.  and you will notice how no one is saying the 18year pause has stopped - only you.  And you are almost the living definition of the word 'non-credible'.

There was no 18 year pause. What was done was the hottest year on record was used as the base year so to spin an argument to try and protect fossil fuel profits. Now that argument has backed the denialists and the fossil fuel industry into a corner  ... since 2014 is now the hottest year on in recorded history.

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____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:45pm:

There was no 18 year pause. What was done was the hottest year on record was used as the base year so to spin an argument to try and protect fossil fuel profits. Now that argument has backed the denialists and the fossil fuel industry into a corner  ... since 2014 is now the hottest year on in recorded history.

Exactly right. The warming denialists love cherry picking their data. I have not seen one graph by them that hasn't started in 1998 (an unusually hot el nino year).

The opening post is absolute psuedo scientific nonsense

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 4:09pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 3:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 2:41pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:21pm: ____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now and CO2 concentrations have increased by around 35%.  pretending there is a correlation between the two that is linear and that it can be extrapolated has been comprehensively debunked. You don't have to be a climate scientist to debunk a hypothesis that has failed in its every single facet. It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420502247 an unverified source with a date series too large and too imprecise.  from what I see it both confirms the 18 year hiatus in warming and makes 2014 at best 0.05 degrees warmer than last which at  best is statistically insignificant. all this is stuff they teach you in high school  -- the experience you missed. "Hiatus" Good to see your back peddling has started. hiatus and pause mean the same thing.  imagine if you had an education! And it plateaued previously, followed by a steep rise. Yet the trajectory was, and still is, up. there has never been a steep rise (or drop) ever.  and wince the ENTIRE TEMPERATURE rise you lot complain about is 0.8degrees it is hard to see what the fuss is all about.  and you will notice how no one is saying the 18year pause has stopped - only you.  And you are almost the living definition of the word 'non-credible'. There was no 18 year pause. What was done was the hottest year on record was used as the base year so to spin an argument to try and protect fossil fuel profits. Now that argument has backed the denialists and the fossil fuel industry into a corner  ... since 2014 is now the hottest year on in recorded history.

even that graph shows the 18year pause.  you are just too ignorant to see it.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 4:45pm: There was no 18 year pause. What was done was the hottest year on record was used as the base year so to spin an argument to try and protect fossil fuel profits. Now that argument has backed the denialists and the fossil fuel industry into a corner  ... since 2014 is now the hottest year on in recorded history. Exactly right. The warming denialists love cherry picking their data. I have not seen one graph by them that hasn't started in 1998 (an unusually hot el nino year). The opening post is absolute psuedo scientific nonsense

climate scientists around the world accept the 18year pause.  they  don't like it and often seek to say it is only a pause and not a stoppage.  However, they generally don't deny it.  Its a bit hard to when the facts are unequivocal.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now

That’s strange, Longy, in.another thread you’re arguing they’ve steadily risen by 0.8%.

Karnal wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now That’s strange, Longy, in.another thread you’re arguing they’ve steadily risen by 0.8%.

you are such an idiot, probably because unless everything is detailed and explained to the nth degree you will misinterpret.  let me be clear - although probably not clear enough for you.  over the past 60 years temperatures have risen a total of 0.8 degrees but NOTHING over the past 18 years.  to most people that would mean that the 0.8 rise occurred over the first 42 years of that period.

I look forward to your next deliberate misinterpretation.

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Fact for today - carbon dioxide

No that was yesterday - choose to trust the opinion of someone who can not even get the day right ?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 11:19am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:37am: Ultimately, observation trumps hypothesis every time.  Temperatures have stalled for 18 years now That’s strange, Longy, in.another thread you’re arguing they’ve steadily risen by 0.8%. you are such an idiot, probably because unless everything is detailed and explained to the nth degree you will misinterpret.  let me be clear - although probably not clear enough for you.  over the past 60 years temperatures have risen a total of 0.8 degrees but NOTHING over the past 18 years.  to most people that would mean that the 0.8 rise occurred over the first 42 years of that period. I look forward to your next deliberate misinterpretation.

Thanks, Longy, we’ve both seen the graph which you concur with. The rise in the average global temperature over the past 18 years has been consistent with the previous 42 years.

You are deliberately going against what you, yourself, have acknowledged: a 0.8 degree rise over the past 18 years. You tried to minimize this rise by saying it’s inconsequential. Remember?

Of course, it would be inconsequential if it was an aberration, but this rise is consistent with the past few decades. There is every reason to assume it will continue, which will be devastating over the next two centuries.

You’ve done your maths - I am agreeing with you. If you think I’m an idiot, what do you think of yourself?

Longy, by the way, has a PhD in physics. It’s pointless arguing with him.

The only person who can debate Longy is himself.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

climate scientists around the world accept the 18year pause.

Climate scientists accept - almost without exception - that average annual global temperatures have exceeded the previous year's, as the hottest on record




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While the world experienced relatively warm temperatures in 2013, the continental U.S. experienced the 42nd warmest year on record. For some countries, such as Australia, 2013 was the hottest year on record. http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/28/

You can't have it BOTH WAYS




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As of 2014, 2013 tied with 2009 and 2006 for the seventh warmest year since 1880 according to NASA scientists. With the exception of 1998, the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record have all occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the warmest years on record. Earth continues to be hotter than it was several decades ago. http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/28/

It is THESE statistics that make the claims of David Rose ( ... of the Daily Mail) - and ostrich mentalities and disciples of denial, such as Longweekend58 - and their bunkum mantra of "global warming stopped 18 years ago"

( ... ironically, if you asked them 2 decades ago - they'd tell you global warming has never existed - and that 97% of the world's eminent climate scientists are members of the same collective of communists)




http://www.cakeburger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/how-to-climate-change-denial.png

The sooner co2 is banned the better off we'll all be.

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The sooner co2 is banned the better off we'll all be.

Hi Innocent, it is not about banning CO2.  Its about balancing and reducing CO2 emission.  And CO2 is only just part of complex chain of events that form our weather around the globe. 

In addition, for our entire race to progress, we need to move away from burning of animal remains as primary form of energy production - because, its in-efficient, its limited, and it also produce a host of other harmful substances.  We need to move to more cleaner, more abundant source of energy. 

Hope school treat you well.

;)

It's ALWAYS FRUSTRATING - but I've recently discovered the simplest way to explain C02 to the
"grey matter deficient" - "ostriches" and "climate leaners" is by way of the humble swimming pool and chlorine

Now we KNOW that a swimming pool WITHOUT chlorine is one giant petri dish
We ALSO know that the chlorine parts per million ratio is a "very delicate balance"
We check our swimming pool PH daily to MAINTAIN this balance



Would you dive into a swimming pool that had been dosed up with
THREE and a HALF TIMES its recommended daily dose
of chlorine ?

Yet we've allowed this to HAPPEN
- with nature's "recommended" parts per million of C02
- since the 1960's




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6LaAL0CEAEtdDg.jpg

A late surprise guest entry float
at the Daylesford New Year's Eve street parade, 2014

What a ridiculous analogy   ;D

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:06pm:

What a ridiculous analogy   ;D

I did SAY it was for the "grey matter deficient" - "ostriches" and "climate leaners"

I'm SORRY, but I'm all out of play-doh - so I can put it no SIMPLER than chemical ratio comparisons