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Title: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

A pretty good article debunking some myths.

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What we need is a principled,anti racist critique of muslim fundamentalism that pulls no punches.
(Islam is not a race-BVR)

Not in our name campaigns spearheaded by muslims send out a problematic subliminal message to non muslims that muslims are unwilling to sort out the problems in their own backyard.

There are those who won't even condemn acts of violence and terrorism,but automatically paint the attacks as false flag operations,attempting to reason with these people is a waste of time and energy.

The way forward is to treat each event as a passing accident of horror-
Laissez-faire approaches like these have led us to the predicament we are in,These acts are neither passing nor accidental;they are part of one long atrocity continuum,compounded by mainstream society's cowardice and unwillingness to champion unpopular causes.
leftfootforward.org/2015/01/Charlie-hebdo-dismantling-nine-mistaken-assumptions-about-the-paris-atrocities

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

The American Islamic Forum for democracy on the Paris attack

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Aifd condemns in the strongest possible way, the actions that took place in Paris today and send our deepest condolences to the families of those killed or injured.The effects of this despicable action go beyond the streets of Paris,but represent an attack on freedom of speech and human rights of all to live and work-free of fear.

We can no longer continue to be deceived into accepting the lone wolf theory as recent events have clearly exclaimed.The deep and intense ideological invasion within Islam must be thwarted from within the house of Islam.

There is no reason to believe the events of today can be held in isolation but must be considered part and parcel of the world wide terrorist threat from those ideologically radicalised in the name of political islam.Calls for would be combatants to stay in their home location and fight,our very places of work and worship,have come to fruition and demand we accept this new reality with a legitimate response

aifdemocracy.org

I like Dr Jasser he is one of the few honest muslims, when it comes to resolving problems honesty in recognising the problem is the first step.

We have UK muslims for secular democracy,The American Islamic forum for democracy, when are we going to get a group of Aussie muslims for secular democracy or do porcine animals have a greater chance of becoming aerodynamic?

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

one of the few honest muslims

harsh Baron.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

The American Islamic Forum for democracy on the Paris attack
[quote]

We can no longer continue to be deceived into accepting the lone wolf theory as recent events have clearly exclaimed.The deep and intense ideological invasion within Islam must be thwarted from within the house of Islam.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:59pm

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.............There is no reason to believe the events of today can be held in isolation but must be considered part and parcel of the world wide terrorist threat from those ideologically radicalised in the name of political islam..........

it's entirely from islam.
islam have said 'we cant solve it.'

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:49pm

damn straight Soren - nothing short of shaving their beards and losing the pyjamas will do.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by brumbie on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

The American Islamic Forum for democracy on the Paris attack

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The further away they are the more they can denounce it...because they have more of a leeway when they are further away...it's not on my doorstep therefore I think it's despicable..it's on my doorstep therefore I have no comment....just muslims doing their thing ...nothing more...

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

damn straight Soren - nothing short of shaving their beards and losing the pyjamas will do.

Gandy,

You are not a goat f Vcker from Afghanistan or Pakistan or Yemen so you are not at all responsible for what those depraved bastards do in the name of Islam in the Middle East or the Hindu Kush.

You are a Western Muslim - which means that you are responsible, whether you like it or not, for the conduct of other Western Muslims. I hold you responsible because you have been inexcusably neglectful, inactive and irresponsible about murderous Western Muslims in your spheres of life and influence.

The Charlie Hebdo f Vckers are Western Muslims JUST LIKE YOU. Just like you, Gandy.
They were born in France - yet they are enemies of France and civilisation because they side with Islam. These kind of people exist because YOU, a Western Muslim, supposedly all acculturated, all tuned in, have allowed them to exist and continue to allow them to exist.

Gandy, you bear personal responsibility - like every single Western Muslim - for Western Muslim terrorist attacks because you do NOTHING about preventing them.

Bleating victimhood when the Muslims are the shooters is not acceptable. You are the perpetrators, you stop being the perpetrators. You are not victims of anything but Islam.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

You are irrelevant, Brain, so you may f Vck orf.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:06pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

damn straight Soren - nothing short of shaving their beards and losing the pyjamas will do.

Soren you never tire of reminding us that the problem with islam in the west is a problem because the west allowed islam to enter the west.

Therefore I hold you personally responsible for not doing anything to stop this invasion, allowing them to run rampant in our society, feeding off our welfare and freely conducting their plots against us.

Thats how it works right?

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

damn straight Soren - nothing short of shaving their beards and losing the pyjamas will do.

Do you feel exposed walking down the street with that towel around your head & a beard?

Maybe you don't in public & you shave every day to hide your true self?

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Yadda on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 11:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

damn straight Soren - nothing short of shaving their beards and losing the pyjamas will do.

'ISLAM is peace', eh gandalf ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420803802/3#3

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:09am

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

You are irrelevant, Brain, so you may f Vck orf.

Ah, the instant resort to ad hominem attack. Soren, you're showing that you can't answer the point. Thanks, you've proved your irrelevancy. ::)

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:23am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

You are irrelevant, Brain, so you may f Vck orf.

Ah, the instant resort to ad hominem attack. Soren, you're showing that you can't answer the point. Thanks, you've proved your irrelevancy. ::)

Buzz off Brain, you are an irrelevant mindless drongo. Whatever you say is well and truly beside the point after the Charlie Hebdo massacre.

You have alsways been on the side of evil and it is now visible in the starkest of reliefs.

F Vck off Brain, you are the agent of the sinister and the stupid.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:25am

Still unable to answer the questions, Soren? How unsurprising. Keep avoiding it, you keep reinforcing the point about your irrelevancy. ::)

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:28am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

Still unable to answer the questions, Soren? How unsurprising. Keep avoiding it, you keep reinforcing the point about your irrelevancy. ::)

You have no questions now, Brain. You are accused, bozo. You are called to answer, fvckwit, to answer for your sins, fascist little milk monitor.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

See the little question marks at the ends of my last two sentences, Soren? They are what denote they are indeed well, questions. Therefore to claim I have asked no questions is obviously a blatant lie.

Now, instead of avoiding them like a child, how about you be a man and answer them? ::)

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

F Vck off Brain. Twelve people were gunned down by Islamists in Paris to avenge some Mohammed cartons.
People were killed by your pet efniks for no other reason than drawing and publishing cartoons.

You have no excuse, no leg to stand on, you are an enabler and excuser of Islamic terrorist, Brain. You have been standing with the terrorists for years.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:33am

Soren wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

THey can stick their tweets up their shalwar kameezes.

Tweeting in not a sufficient response from Islam.

Mmm, how can "Islam" respond when there is no central authority for the religion, Soren?

Why are tweets considered sufficient response from Government(s) but not Religion(s)? ::)

From now on - this principle applies -

you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

Title: Re: UK muslims for secular democracy on Paris attack
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 1:50pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

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it's entirely from islam.
islam have said 'we cant solve it.'

Kishori Saran Lal wrote a few books and was the first to do published statistics on the Islamic texts,he will probably be branded an Islamophobe for calling muslims immoral degenerates.

He puts Islam at 63% political ideology and 37% religion.

This verse from Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy says you are off to the hellfire for all eternity if you disbelieve in part of the scripture.
quran.com/2/85