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Title: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:06pm

Killed while defending people's right to mock his religion.

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Thousands were today paying tribute to dead Muslim police officer Ahmed Merabet using the rallying cry 'JeSuisAhmed' after the heroic officer was gunned down in Paris.
The celebration of Mr Merabet, who was killed as he begged for his life by suspected Islamic fanatics, echoes the 'JeSuisCharlie' (I am Charlie) demonstrations that have swept the world in the wake of yesterday's shocking massacre.
His colleagues today said they were in extreme shock after a video of the Charlie Hebdo office attack emerged - showing Mr Merabet on the ground and begging for mercy as he is killed casually executed by a gunshot to the head.

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Mr Merabet was one of 12 people killed in the terrifying attack, including eight journalists at the offices of the French satirical newspaper, two guests, and one other policeman.
Tributes for Mr Merabet continuing pouring in today, with one person writing: 'RIP Ahmed Merabet, French policeman, murdered protecting people in Paris', while Alan Mendoza said: 'Important to note that amid the carnage today a brave Muslim policeman was murdered by those claiming to represent Islam.'
His family have said they wish to bury him at a famous Muslim cemetery in France. Located just north-east of Paris, it is the burial ground of more than 7,000 Muslims.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Quantum on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Killed while defending people's right to mock his religion.

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[quote]Mr Merabet was one of 12 people killed in the terrifying attack, including eight journalists at the offices of the French satirical newspaper, two guests, and one other policeman.
Tributes for Mr Merabet continuing pouring in today, with one person writing: 'RIP Ahmed Merabet, French policeman, murdered protecting people in Paris', while Alan Mendoza said: 'Important to note that amid the carnage today a brave Muslim policeman was murdered by those claiming to represent Islam.'
His family have said they wish to bury him at a famous Muslim cemetery in France. Located just north-east of Paris, it is the burial ground of more than 7,000 Muslims.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901681/Hero-police-officer-executed-street-married-42-year-old-Muslim-assigned-patrol-Paris-neighbourhood-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-located.html#ixzz3OI1WpKAx
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So the religion of the killers can be ignored, but the religion of the dead cop matters?

Tragic what happened to him, but in what way relevant? Did he do anything a non Muslim wouldn't do? Did the killers even know he was a Muslim?

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:30pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

So the religion of the killers can be ignored, but the religion of the dead cop matters?
That is the ingrained victim mentality from Islam, we are the victims not the perpetrators , it helps with propaganda

Tragic what happened to him, but in what way relevant? Did he do anything a non Muslim wouldn't do? Did the killers even know he was a Muslim?
No and No

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

Its relevant to counter the usual BS we get here that muslims are incapable of being on the side of freedom etc. If it was a simply matter of saying there is a problem of extremism amongst a minority of muslims then I would have nothing to dispute. But I've spent over 2 years here having to defend against charges of collective guilt against muslims.

French muslims have demonstrated in previous surveys they predominantly put themselves as French first and muslims second.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

The vast majority should reign in the tiny minority.

Verbal condemnation is not enough.

I have not seen spontaneous Muslim demonstration numbering hundreds and thousands across the world in the face of continuous unspeakable atrocities in the name of Islam. Muslims have no problem organising big rallies for Palestine or a riots across the globe over cartoons or youtube clips. When will the vast majority finally mobilise tow show where they true loyalties lie. Confining yourselves to verbal platitudes puts you on the same plane as glib, no-longer-believed politicians.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by wally1 on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Killed while defending people's right to mock his religion.

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So the religion of the killers can be ignored, but the religion of the dead cop matters?

Tragic what happened to him, but in what way relevant? Did he do anything a non Muslim wouldn't do? Did the killers even know he was a Muslim?
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Australiam media frequently referred to him as a Muslim copper

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Quantum on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Some French policemen are Muslims. That is the only point being made and is hardly surprising. So why is that news now?

*There is no indication that the Muslim terrorist knew they were killing a Muslim policemen.
*There is no indication that this Muslim policemen did anything different to what a non Muslim policeman would do.
*There is no indication that the policeman knew he was being attacked by Muslims (unless he assumed that anyone shooting up the place would be a Muslim, making him a islamophobe for assuming such a thing).

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by wally1 on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:12pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Were are all the protests from the buddhists around the world who slaughter muslims in burma and mynammar?

Where are all the protests from jews around the world on the slaughter of the palestinians?

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by wally1 on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:14pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Im not sure why it is news, the copper was just doing his job and protecting law and order no matter who is doing it.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:14pm

They probably would've shot him anyway had they known he was a Muslim because they would've seen him as a traitor.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Quantum on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

wally1 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Killed while defending people's right to mock his religion.

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Australiam media frequently referred to him as a Muslim copper[/quote]

Hence my point. The religion of the policemen is irrelevant to the events, yet for some reason this is being focused on. Yet, the religion of the terrorist is not to be focused on despite it being fundamentally relevant.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by HooYAY its FriYAY on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

French muslims have demonstrated in previous surveys they predominantly put themselves as French first and muslims second.

What would you expect?

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:25pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

And as usual Soren is looking with his eyes closed:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/punjab/18-Dec-2014/students-rally-against-peshawar-attack

The largest (peaceful) demonstrations in the muslim world in recent years - by far - have been in support for freedom and democracy. Egypt, Tunisia, Iran and of course Iraq. I have mentioned this before and I believe your and FD's response was the flippant "and hows that going for them?" See, in your book muslims can be against freedom or they can support it - it makes no difference, they will be ridiculed either way.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:27pm

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

French muslims have demonstrated in previous surveys they predominantly put themselves as French first and muslims second.

What would you expect?

Would you like to pose that question to say Yadda or FD or sprint?

Not possible, they'll say - must be taqqiya.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Any in the West, especially after things like the London beheading, Canadian attacks, Sydney siege, now Paris - no. Because Muslims maintain that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. It's a constant stream of ever more brazen Islamic lone wolves.

The French organised vigils across the world within a day because they feels strongly. The Muslims feel faintly miffed about the backlash that never comes.

'I condemn' is glib and perfunctory.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:30pm

Soren you seriously expect any protest by muslims in the west to run into the hundreds of thousands when their populations ranges from around 1-5% of the country?

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Karnal on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Any in the West, especially after things like the London beheading, Canadian attacks, Sydney siege, now Paris - no. Because Muslims maintain that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

Excellent point, old boy. They don’t protest against Islamic attacks, well yes they do but they say they have nothing to do with Islam, which is the religion they follow. .

But yes, the only way they can "reign in the tiny majority" is by condemning Islam itself.

That’ll work.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Karnal on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Soren you seriously expect any protest by muslims in the west to run into the hundreds of thousands when their populations ranges from around 1-5% of the country?

The old boy is working on a coherent strategy. It’s a work in progress.

Muslim protests don’t count. Nor do Muslim petitions, Muslim reports to police about suspected Muslim terrorists, edicts by Muslim leaders, Muslim youth programs, Muslim community awareness programs, etc, etc, etc.

The only thing that counts is Muslims shaving their beards and becoming Lutherans. Even then they’re still numpties, but this is far preferable to the pyjama-wearing bearded numpties who refuse to reign in the tiny majority by converting to Lutheranism.

No Allah Uakbaring, gents. If you wish to affirm the greatness of Gud, kindly do it in Danish or German.

We wouldn’t want to offend the old boy.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Karnal on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

Gott mit uns.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 6:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Soren you seriously expect any protest by muslims in the west to run into the hundreds of thousands when their populations ranges from around 1-5% of the country?

There are millions of Muslims in the West. Considering the 'vast majority' of Muslims are supposedly freedom loving, free speech enthusiasts who take these things very very seriously indeed, the absence of any meaningful, effective, enthusiastic counter-weight to the 'tiny minority' is conspicuous.

Anyway, I said numbering "hundreds and thousands", not hundreds of thousands. But your mob cannot meet even that very low threshold, considering what is at stake.

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Soren on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

wally1 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Were are all the protests from the buddhists around the world who slaughter muslims in burma and mynammar?

Where are all the protests from jews around the world on the slaughter of the palestinians?

Who gives a f Vck.

You Islamist b Vggers have to take responsibility for your own conduct and stop hiding behind the 'what about' others.

Are you men or are you mice?

Why do you shoot up a newspapers, shoot New York policemen, kill Canadian soldiers, take hostages in Sydney, behead an English soldier in London, riot over cartoons?

Why do you do it, Wally?

What the bloody hell IS wrong with you??

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

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............Only followers of one religion who think they are entitled to butcher those who offend their prophet. Frankly, if your all-powerful deity is so fragile that a cartoon poses a threat then you may want to reconsider your belief system. ...

from a newspaper

leave the death cult

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by freediver on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Killed while defending people's right to mock his religion.

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Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 10:01pm

am I supposed to make a wild guess at what you mean FD?

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by freediver on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:52am

You spent a long time insisting that it is absurd to expect Muslims to stand up for freedom of speech, particularly in this context. You tried to equate it with Muslims demanding that people make fun of them. I was hoping maybe now you might have a better understanding of the concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Title: Re: The muslim cop killed in Paris attack
Post by gandalf on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 9:11am

FD the previous discussion was about how muslims should demonstrate their support for freedom of speech in response to violent threats against it. I, along with the rest of the world who possesses common sense and decency, accept that making a stand saying that violence and threats of violence against freedom of speech is completely unacceptable - is the appropriate response.

Insisting, as you do, that muslims must do nothing short of demand that there be the wholesale rights to mock their religion is simplistic and problematic - because of the fact that much of the material can and does cross the line of racial discrimination. And thats not coming from a whinging muslim, thats Australian law. Just as our own George "people have a right to be bigots" Brandis proudly reassured the Australian public that holocaust denial will continue to be a thought crime under the Racial Discrimination Act, so to there are many islam-mocking cartoons that could fall under the same category. This, as I have explained before, would depend on both the depiction as well as the context in which it was published. Thus the flaw in your argument should be obvious: you insist that muslims must vigorously defend the right to be ridiculed even when such ridicule may violate Australian law - and this, incidentally, is a law that is overwhelmingly endorsed by the Australian public - putting you in the extremist category.

Now as to the muslim policeman, no I don't believe that he deliberately laid down his life in a heroic defense of freedom - any more than the cartoonists did. The cartoonists knew what they were doing was provocative, but I don't think for one minute that they believed they were about to be killed for it. So if we are going to pretend these cartoonists selflessly laid down their lives in defense of freedom and make them martyrs, why not the police who were there to protect them? I mean this muslim cop knew where he was and what he was supposed to be protecting, he could have requested a transfer or conscientiously objected - if he really wanted to. The point to be made though is that this was simply a case of an ordinary muslim happy to do his job properly and not bat an eyelid about an issue you lot constantly assure us muslims are so riled up about. Or in other words, just a normal, full integrated member of society.