Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo.

Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent, wanna-be-murderer, imo.


Dictionary;
latent = = existing but not yet developed, manifest, or active




'The moslem'.

Every moslem is a latent, wanna-be-murderer, imo.

Every moslem!


No ?

Am i unfairly disparaging and mis-representing many 'good' people, who are moslems ???

And we know, that many moslems, themselves, insist that they have no 'truck' with moslem 'extremists'.

Right ?




QUESTION;

But why does a moslem choose to be, a moslem, to define himself as a 'moslem', IF HE DOES NOT WANT TO OBEY THE TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM ?

It makes no sense.

It makes no sense,     ....especially when such a person [i.e. a 'moslem'] is living within a secular nation, like Australia, identifies as being a moslem....

.....UNLESS 'THE MOSLEM' HAS A DEEP AND BURNING DESIRE [within himself] TO OBEY THE TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM.



JUST THINK ABOUT IT;

By definition, a 'moslem' is a person who is 'SCREAMING' to the whole world [and certainly, to everyone around him!];

"I am a person who chooses to respect and revere the tenets and laws of ISLAM."




QUESTION;

Why does a moslem choose to be, a moslem, to define himself as a 'moslem',

....IF HE DOES NOT WANT AND DESIRE, TO OBEY THE GOD OF ISLAM, ALLAH, AND, TO FULFIL WHAT THE GOD OF ISLAM REQUIRES OF HIM ?

Especially when such a person is living within a secular nation, like Australia ?



It makes no sense;

...TO CHOOSE TO IDENTIFY ONESELF WITH ISLAM, BUT TO DENY ANY ASSOCIATION AND SYMPATHY WITH THE - VIOLENT - TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM.







Yadda said....

Quote:

Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim "There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible; "I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger. And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity']. But i don't follow that part of my faith. HONEST!"             ;D Dictionary; incredible = = 1 impossible to believe. 2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems] that it is 'lawful' for them [moslems], to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

That is what a moslem is.




Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


And EVERY SINGLE PERSON who says;

"I am a moslem.",

...is a person who has chosen to embrace ISLAM and its tenets and laws.

THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH IS THAT;

Every person who self-declares, to be a moslem, is self declaring that he agrees to, and accepts, the religious obligations which ISLAM places upon 'the moslem'.

And the PRIMARY obligation of a moslem, is to participate in violent religious fighting, aka Jihad, aka the righteous 'struggle', aka 'Allah's cause' [i.e. whenever Allah provides the 'opportunity'],
....against Allah's enemies.



THOUGH ['OPENLY'] UNSTATED, EVERY MOSLEM UNDERSTANDS THIS 'OBLIGATION' TO HIS/HER RELIGION [though he may not acknowledge it to you, though he will deny it, to your face].

e.g.

Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar





Where would a moslem like Mohamed Elomar get such an idea ?

The idea that violent religious fighting, in Allah's cause [Jihad] was an obligation upon every moslem ?

Unless that idea comes from ISLAM itself ?

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THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH IS THAT;

FIGHTING FOR ALLAH'S CAUSE, is the primary 'reason for being', of the moslem.

And that idea [of fighting to 'defend' ISLAM] is inculcated into - every moslem - from childhood.

e.g.
Watch a group of wanna-be murderous little moslem darlings 'performing', in this YT,      HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA,

being coached by moslem adults, HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA.....

Muslims brainwash children in Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E






FROM ISLAMIC TEXTS

A small example from the Sunna of Mohammed....


"[The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari #004.052.080i

n.b.
......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #001.002.025



And from ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06




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AND JUST FOR ALL OF YOU &^%$#@! IMBECILES,     ....who pretend that you  do not have the wit, to 'join the dots'];

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist.

Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault.

Quote:

Noble Quran 2:190 Footnote: "Jihad is holy fighting in Allahs Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allahs Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."

....on page 39 of the Noble Qur’an
....translation by Muhammad Khan
Google



Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam






ISLAM cloaks itself, indeed VEILS itself, behind the word 'RELIGION'.

In truth, ISLAM is violent, worldly, expression fascism.

Violent Koranic verses [and there are many of them!!!], are all about directing raw, violent political power.

And ISLAM is, ...a system of laws.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION [ .....well, not in any traditional sense of what the word 'religion' means].

e.g.
ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT THE PASSIVE PRACTICE OF - WORSHIPPING - A SUPREME BEING.

ISLAM is about directing raw, violent political power.

The Koran [and ISLAMIC laws] contain POLITICAL directives, about warfare, and about identifying those who are the political 'enemies' of moslems.


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http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg


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Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php



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Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam. June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad      · 2 Comments The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said: .......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends. Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war. They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized. If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-some-scholars-regarded-it-as-the-sixth-pillar-of-islam/

Yadda wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act. That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM. ISIS know it. Al-Qaeda know it. The Saudis know it. And EVERY moslem who is living among us, here in Australia, knows it. ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Persons like this - Haron Monis - .......

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/12/16/1227157/400913-624365d8-8461-11e4-a702-553dc58650c9.jpg

.....are moslems.

IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

.....they are inspired by what their religion teaches them to believe.



QUESTION;
In all places where ISLAM is 'rampant' [i.e. in all places where moslems are in a majority];
What 'circumstance' [in the mind of 'the moslem'] justifies moslem violence, against those who are not moslems ?

Read on....


QUESTION;
What [in the most simple of terms], is the 'insult' to ISLAM, which can 'legitimately' outrage a devout moslem [e.g. the IMAGE above], and provoke righteous, justified moslem violence ???

ANSWER;
FROM CHILDHOOD, mainstream ISLAM teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that ISLAM is Allah perfect religion - AND - that it is the obligation of 'the moslem' to 'work' to impose ISLAM upon all mankind.

AND, FROM CHILDHOOD, mainstream ISLAM teaches every moslem, that to reject ISLAM, is an insult to Allah's perfect religion, an insult to ISLAM, and that that rejection is a capital crime.

I WILL REPEAT;
Mainstream ISLAM teaches 'the moslem' that is an insult to Allah's perfect religion [and a capital crime], to reject ISLAM.






Quote:

Creed of the sword Mark Durie September 23, 2006 .....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it." Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam. .......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125) Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190) As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault.

Baron,

Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials'].

All moslems know that ISLAM can never be tolerant of [live peacefully with] any other political authority, except Sharia [ISLAMIC law].



Quote:

Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html



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http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/




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Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit





How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war


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A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"



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The only type of 'peaceful' relationship with disbelievers which is permitted by ISLAMIC law, is a relationship which is based upon deceit and lying [by 'the moslem'], towards those who are not moslems, so as to advance and strengthen the interests of 'the moslem' and ISLAM.

e.g.

Quote:

July 28, 2006 Islamic Dictionary for Infidels ...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

[b] Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo.

And we all know what that's worth.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:42am: Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo. And we all know what that's worth.

greggerypeccary,

Thank you for your opinion.

But you didn't read the rest of my argument,    .....otherwise, YOU WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH ME.

:)




greggerypeccary,

Is there anything in my argument, or, with the supporting evidences [for my argument] which i have posted in this thread, that you would like to contest, or which you disagree with ?

Do you have any evidences of your own, which you would like to post ?

i.e.
Which would enable others, to peruse the merit of your own argument ?

No ?



[crickets chirping]

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:43pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:42am: Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo. And we all know what that's worth. greggerypeccary, Thank you for your opinion. But you didn't read the rest of my argument,    .....otherwise, YOU WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH ME.

I showed you the bit I don't agree with.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:43pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:42am: Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo. And we all know what that's worth. greggerypeccary, Thank you for your opinion. But you didn't read the rest of my argument,    .....otherwise, YOU WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH ME. I showed you the bit I don't agree with.

Someone with the handle of, 'Yadda', posting an opinion on OzPol ?

Posting an opinion about ISLAM, an opinion which seems to be supported by the comments and behaviour of moslems ?

Comments of moslems and behaviour of moslems, often sourced from moslems, along with 'religious' inspiration coming from ISLAMIC texts,
.....about moslem 'intent', towards those who are not moslems ?




Shoot the messenger ?



greggerypeccary,

People like you are 'good' at that.

Yes ?




"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
- George Orwell


one especially for you, greggerypeccary.....

It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority.
Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.
   - Giordano Bruno


The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it.
Ignorance may deride it. But in the end, there it is.
    - Winston Churchill

Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:42am: [b] Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo. And we all know what that's worth.

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 2:04pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:43pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:42am: Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo. And we all know what that's worth. greggerypeccary, Thank you for your opinion. But you didn't read the rest of my argument,    .....otherwise, YOU WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH ME. I showed you the bit I don't agree with. Someone with the handle of, 'Yadda', posting an opinion on OzPol ? Posting an opinion about ISLAM, an opinion which seems to be supported by the comments and behaviour of moslems ? Comments of moslems and behaviour of moslems, often sourced from moslems, along with 'religious' inspiration coming from ISLAMIC texts, .....about moslem 'intent', towards those who are not moslems ? Shoot the messenger ?

Yes, GP, you be nice and agree with Y.

I agree with this bit, Y:


Quote:

Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::)

Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::) Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

No, old boy, those are jihad. Apparently if you die on the way to Mecca, that’s the holiest of holys.

I hope this doesn’t offend anyone.

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::) Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren.  Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one.  You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:46am: According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault. Baron, Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials'].

I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that.

He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse.

There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion.

Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group.

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:08pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:46am: According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault. Baron, Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials']. I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that. He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse. There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion. Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group. Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

I agree, Baron. FD should quote Abu and try to get G to agree with it, don't you think?

That could work.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Do they still post here?  No.  So what value is their opinion then?  As far as I am concerned there are ignorant, foolish people in all religions.  I don't engage in necrophilia Baron!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

I've spoken to many Muslims in several different countries Baron.  I've encountered a wide diverse range of opinions.

You seem to be relying on a very narrow source of information.  I wonder why?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 2:36pm: Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here. Do they still post here?  No.  So what value is their opinion then?  As far as I am concerned there are ignorant, foolish people in all religions.  I don't engage in necrophilia Baron!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D I've spoken to many Muslims in several different countries Baron.  I've encountered a wide diverse range of opinions. You seem to be relying on a very narrow source of information.  I wonder why?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

I have eaten Simach Masgoof in Iraq, the Iraqis are proud of that dish.

Personally, I prefer Tashreeb Dajaj, not being fond of fish but its difficult to get the Loomi (Dried Limes) in Australia.

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::) Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca? Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren.  Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one.  You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

On top of every form of Islam there are Allah and Mohammed.
And that is why they all go wrong.

Or are there believing Muslims who do not believe in Allah and that Mohammed was his prophet??
Do tell us, hot little globetrotter.

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren. Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one. You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Hot_Breath,

Yeah, i have noticed, that moslems seem to be fixated on convincing us disbelievers, that Jihad is really a nebulous concept.         :P



Dictionary;
nebulous = =
1 in the form of a cloud or haze; hazy.
2 vague or ill-defined.



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It is funny though, how that, when moslems are discussing Jihad among themselves, it is clear that everyone knows what 'the moslem' is speaking about !


!!!!!!!


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg


Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.phpi




Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar




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Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam





Quote:

Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam. June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad      · 2 Comments The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said: .......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends. Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war. They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized. If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-some-scholars-regarded-it-as-the-sixth-pillar-of-islam/

REPRISE;



Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo.

Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent, wanna-be-murderer, imo.


Dictionary;
latent = = existing but not yet developed, manifest, or active




'The moslem'.

Every moslem is a latent, wanna-be-murderer, imo.

Every moslem!


Not so?

Am i unfairly disparaging and mis-representing many 'good' people, who are moslems ???

And we know, that many moslems, themselves, insist that they have no 'truck' with moslem 'extremists'.

Right ?




QUESTION;

But why does a moslem choose to be, a moslem,         to define himself as a 'moslem', IF HE DOES NOT WANT TO OBEY THE TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM ?

It makes no sense.

It makes no sense,     ....especially when such a person [i.e. a 'moslem'] is living within a secular nation, like Australia, identifies as being a moslem....

.....UNLESS 'THE MOSLEM' HAS A DEEP AND BURNING DESIRE [within himself] TO OBEY THE TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM.



JUST THINK ABOUT IT;

By definition, a 'moslem' is a person who is 'SCREAMING' to the whole world [and certainly, to everyone around him!];

"I am a person who chooses to respect and revere the tenets and laws of ISLAM."




QUESTION;

Why does a moslem choose to be, a moslem, to define himself as a 'moslem',

....IF HE DOES NOT WANT AND DESIRE, TO OBEY THE GOD OF ISLAM, ALLAH, AND, TO FULFIL WHAT THE GOD OF ISLAM REQUIRES OF HIM ?

Especially when such a person is living within a secular nation, like Australia ?



It makes no sense;

...TO CHOOSE TO IDENTIFY ONESELF WITH ISLAM, BUT TO THEN DENY ANY ASSOCIATION AND SYMPATHY WITH THE - VIOLENT - TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM.

THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH,       .....IS THAT;

Every person who self-declares, to be a moslem, is self declaring that he agrees to, and accepts, the religious obligations which ISLAM places upon 'the moslem'.

And the PRIMARY obligation of a moslem, is to participate in violent religious fighting, aka Jihad, aka the righteous 'struggle', aka 'Allah's cause' [i.e. whenever Allah provides the 'opportunity'],
....against Allah's enemies.



THOUGH ['OPENLY'] UNSTATED, EVERY MOSLEM UNDERSTANDS THIS 'OBLIGATION' TO HIS/HER RELIGION [though he may not acknowledge it to you, though he will deny it, to your face].


Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

An 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.


e.g.

Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"




STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.



"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

ISLAM cloaks itself, indeed VEILS itself, behind the word 'RELIGION'.

In truth, ISLAM is a violent [and very secular and 'worldly'] expression of political fascism.

Violent Koranic verses [and there are many of them!!!], are all about directing raw, violent political power.

And ISLAM is, ...a system of laws.


ARGUMENT;

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION [ .....well, not in any traditional sense of what the word 'religion' means].

e.g.
ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT THE PASSIVE PRACTICE OF - WORSHIPPING - A SUPREME BEING.

ISLAM is about establishing raw, violent political power over every human being on this planet.

And the 'righteous' means of establishing that violent political power over every human being on this planet, is accomplished by the vehicles of political deceit and political violence.

e.g.

Quote:

2007 Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html





THE CHARACTER AND NATURE, OF THE ISLAMIC MEME EXPOSED;

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Terror is the objective, and terror is also the means.

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.


The Koran [and ISLAMIC laws] contain POLITICAL directives, about warfare, and about identifying those who are the political 'enemies' of moslems.

The Koran is, an instruction manual, in terrorism.



ISLAM is a terrorist philosophy.

And the 'religious' aspect of ISLAM's motivation, makes ISLAM an extremely dangerous death cult.


And yet, the moslem always refuses to be accountable for the lawlessness [i.e. law breaking] and the political violence which is seen in ALL moslem communities [i.e. in all communities where moslems are present!].

And when you have the impertinence to confront a moslem with evidence of moslem wrongdoing and lawlessness;
It is always the same response;
Denial, lying, and deflection.


ASK A MOSLEM [...if there is any aspect of ISLAM which resembles a terrorist philosophy];
AND THE RESPONSE IS INVARIABLY GOING TO BE THE SAME, TIME AFTER TIME;

1/ ISLAM IS ALLAH's PERFECT AND VIRTUOUS RELIGION.

2/ MOSLEMS, ARE THE INNOCENT PEOPLE.

3/ TERRORISM IS SOMETHING WHICH ONLY INFIDELS DO.

4/ THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING TERRORIST ACTS, IN THE NAME OF ISLAM, ARE NOT REAL MOSLEMS - [the corollary being] SO YOU ARE WRONG TO BLAME REAL ISLAM AND REAL MOSLEMS, AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH ACTS.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:08pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:46am: According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault. Baron, Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials']. I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that. He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse. There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion. Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group. Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Baron is of course referring to the 'great debate' about whether or not Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time her marriage to Muhammad was consummated. He leaves out the fact that virtually every Islamic scholar is unanimous on the fact that Aisha was post-pubescent at the time, and there is a lot of evidence to indicate this. The "mistranslated" hadith that Baron alludes to is a translation from sunna.com - a site that he is otherwise falling over himself to cite as the most authoritative Islamic source. Needless to say Baron has never worried about the translations used in this and all the other mainstream sources before.

But please, lets talk about ignorance shall we? I would describe ignorance as, for example, basing an entire narrative around Prophet Muhammad being a rabidly licentious pervert and pedophile - based entirely on the slimmest of threads linking Muhammad to committing a single act of intercourse with one pre-pubescent girl. Even if it was true that Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time (which again, no Islamic scholar agrees), that is a million miles from proving he was a sick pervert and a pedophile, given how widespread and normative the practice was at the time. Especially as it completely ignores his pattern of behaviour - monogamous for 20 years with one wife until she died, then marrying only grown post-pubescent women. An actual pedophile, by definition, would have a pattern of behaviour demonstrating he was only interested in having sex with pre-pubescent children. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 2:36pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:08pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:46am: According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault. Baron, Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials']. I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that. He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse. There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion. Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group. Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here. Baron is of course referring to the 'great debate' about whether or not Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time her marriage to Muhammad was consummated. He leaves out the fact that virtually every Islamic scholar is unanimous on the fact that Aisha was post-pubescent at the time, and there is a lot of evidence to indicate this. The "mistranslated" hadith that Baron alludes to is a translation from sunna.com - a site that he is otherwise falling over himself to cite as the most authoritative Islamic source. Needless to say Baron has never worried about the translations used in this and all the other mainstream sources before. But please, lets talk about ignorance shall we? I would describe ignorance as, for example, basing an entire narrative around Prophet Muhammad being a rabidly licentious pervert and pedophile - based entirely on the slimmest of threads linking Muhammad to committing a single act of intercourse with one pre-pubescent girl. Even if it was true that Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time (which again, no Islamic scholar agrees), that is a million miles from proving he was a sick pervert and a pedophile, given how widespread and normative the practice was at the time. Especially as it completely ignores his pattern of behaviour - monogamous for 20 years with one wife until she died, then marrying only grown post-pubescent women. An actual pedophile, by definition, would have a pattern of behaviour demonstrating he was only interested in having sex with pre-pubescent children.

You are the one trying to defend your pedo $Profit in claiming it's ok to have sex with nine year old girls if you claim they have reached puberty.

devastating retort Baron, simply devastating. I'll be off reeling for the next week

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::) Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca? Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren.  Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one.  You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Yet if they were in power, silly little vegemite apologists like you would be the first ones beheaded. Ironic.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:08pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:46am: According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault. Baron, Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials']. I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that. He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse. There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion. Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group. Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Most of them appear ignorant of what islam actually is. All attempts at quoting scripture from them all have been feeble at best. 60% of their opinions don't even line up with the Qu'ran. Muslimvillage dot cum would eat them for breakfast.

Its a fact muslims don't have a great learning ability or IQ so its hard to not understand why they need to be told what to do.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

devastating retort Baron, simply devastating. I'll be off reeling for the next week

After all he was right.

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::) Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

A pilgrimage to Macca's, great new advertising campaign to sell more burgers! They could use all those happy little muzz girls from the SBS station ID.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 2:36pm: Yadda wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:08pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 11:46am: According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist. Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault. Baron, Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials']. I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that. He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse. There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion. Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group. Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here. Most of them [moslems] appear ignorant of what islam actually is.

ordinaryguy, baron,

Don't be so naive.     !!!!!

A moslem, is a moslem.



IMAGE.....
http://www.flameministries.org/Belitz/Fr%20Justin%20Belitz.jpg

The moslem in the West, is a Wolf, posing as a sheep




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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/



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Quote:

Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit




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ordinaryguy, baron,

Do you really, really believe that moslems like Mr Yunus [below] do not understand what ISLAM really teaches ???

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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt




IMAGE....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg


Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19



"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more?   Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style?  Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off.   ::) Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca? A pilgrimage to Macca's, great new advertising campaign to sell more burgers! They could use all those happy little muzz girls from the SBS station ID.

Their goes the Bacon and Egg McMuffin right there.

http://www.pmslweb.com/the-blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/17-have-a-problem-with-boat-people-meme.jpg