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Title: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

This one will give Brian a headache trying to figure out whether Jews or Muslims are the real victims.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-10/paris-gunman-coordinated-with-suspected-charlie-hebdo-attackers/6010002

Charlie Hebdo shooting: Kosher supermarket gunman Amedy Coulibaly 'coordinated' with suspected newspaper attackers

The gunman killed by police after taking hostages at a kosher supermarket in Paris said he had "coordinated" with the suspected Charlie Hebdo attackers and belonged to the Islamic State group.

French television station BFMTV managed to speak to Amedy Coulibaly, as well as to one of the two Kouachi brothers suspected of the Charlie Hebdo magazine massacre, before all three were killed in police raids ending the two hostage dramas.

Coulibaly told BFM he had "coordinated" his actions with the Kouachi brothers and wanted to defend Palestinians and target Jews.

"They took Charlie Hebdo, me the police," he said.

A security source said the gunman also made calls to other people, urging them to stage further attacks.

He "asked his friends to go and attack various targets, specifically police stations in the Paris suburbs," the source said.

Coulibaly shot two people as soon as he entered the kosher store in Porte de Vincennes neighbourhood and had "one or more bags" of explosives with him but did not detonate them, the source added.

He had tried to boobytrap the entrance to the shop where he was besieged by police "but had not hooked up the explosives".

Coulibaly was killed in a police raid to end the siege, during which four hostages were killed.

He was also wanted for the killing of a young policewoman south of Paris the day before.

His 26-year-old girlfriend, Hayat Boumeddiene, is still being sought by police.
YouTube: A video showing police storming the kosher grocery with hostages being led away in the aftermath of the operation.

While holed up at a print works in the tiny town of Dammartin-en-Goele north-east of Paris, suspected Charlie Hebdo attacker Cherif Kouachi told BFMTV that they were on a mission from the Yemeni branch of Al Qaeda, AQAP.

"I was sent, me, Cherif Kouachi, by Al Qaeda of Yemen," he said, according to a recording aired after the siege was over.

"I went over there and it was Anwar al-Awlaki who financed me."

Cherif, the younger sibling, said that a trip he made to Yemen in 2011 was financed by American-Yemeni radical Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed in Yemen by an American drone strike in September that year.

A member of Al Qaeda in Yemen also said the group had directed the attacks on the French satirical magazine.

Shortly after the attack at Charlie Hebdo that left 12 people dead, the brothers hijacked a car telling the driver: "Say we are from Al Qaeda in Yemen".

Awlaki, an influential international recruiter for Al Qaeda, was killed in September 2011 in a drone strike.

A senior Yemeni intelligence source earlier told Reuters that Kouachi's brother Said had also met Awlaki during a stay in Yemen in 2011.

The Kouachi brothers were killed when police stormed the building in Dammartin-en-Goele.

Police said the three gunmen were all members of the same Islamic extremist cell in northern Paris.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by bb on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:42pm

So why did put "Muslims" in the thread title. When there was only one attacker in the supermarket.

Is it your paranoia again?

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by wally1 on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:53pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

So why did put "Muslims" in the thread title. When there was only one attacker in the supermarket.

Is it your paranoia again?

First they where alqaeda from Yemen, now there ISIS.

Actually FD there was a Muslim worker in that factory who hid some of the people in order to prevent them getting attacked

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

FD, did you hear about the Muslim guy who worked in that same supermarket that saved the lives of a whole heap of Jewish shoppers by hiding them in the freezer before going out to help?

Must be an anomaly. Like the dead cop or the Muslim proofreader killed by the terrorists.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:01pm

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Must be an anomaly.

Gandalf spent a long time insisting it was too absurd for such Muslims to exist.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by wally1 on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:02pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Mowed down with machine gun, still doesnt bleed

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:03pm

Life isn't a Tarantino movie Wally. This has been pointed out to you before.

So long as Muslims are also killed in the Islam-inspired violence, it all works out in the end.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by wally1 on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by wally1 on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:10pm

Paris Shootings: Reporter Accidentally ADMITS ‘Blood Put On The Pavement after COP SHOT’

http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/01/10/charlie-hebdo-falseflag-conspiracy/

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

It's a conspiracy to tarnish Islam's good name. Probably the Jews again.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

Don't be mean to Wally. It's easy to see where he's coming from and you can't blame him.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

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Must be an anomaly.

Gandalf spent a long time insisting it was too absurd for such Muslims to exist.

Yes FD - muslims marching up and down the street demanding their religion be ridiculed = muslims helping others escape from terrorists. He's a sharp one this one :P

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Quantum on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

No wonder moderate Muslims are too weak to stand up to insane Islamic extremist in the real world, when they are too scared to tell one of their own to shut up with all their BS conspiracy theories on a forum.

I'm yet to see one moderate Muslim, or even Muslim apologist, pull this disrespectful arse into line. He is saying that a police man (who happened to be a Muslim) never actually died. That the whole thing was just a big Jewish run false flag. And the Muslims and Islamophiles wonder why people get pissed off at Islam.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

yeah muslims are such cowards - risking their lives to protect non-muslims from terrorists...

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Quantum on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

yeah muslims are such cowards - risking their lives to protect non-muslims from terrorists...

Never happened. Ask Wally1. No blood remember... so all fake ::)

But typical response. Yet again ignore the disrespectful wally1 and his BS conspiracies, reply to those taking issue with his BS. Also typical is how;

3 Muslim extremist = not all Muslims are bad.
1 Muslims hero = Muslims are not cowards.

Evil action = nothing to do with Islam.
Good action = look at Islam.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

I'm yet to see one moderate Muslim, or even Muslim apologist, pull this disrespectful arse into line.

Totally. I mean I've only just been able to go through the pages and pages of your denunciations of sprint's calls for indiscriminate violence and persecution against muslims. I mean poor sprint, he barely gets a word out without being hounded down by good "moderate" critics like yourself.

Personally, I prefer to just ignore the trolls - across the board. But thats just me.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

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Must be an anomaly.

Gandalf spent a long time insisting it was too absurd for such Muslims to exist.

Yes FD - muslims marching up and down the street demanding their religion be ridiculed = muslims helping others escape from terrorists. He's a sharp one this one :P

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Must be an anomaly. Like the dead cop

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Quantum on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

I'm yet to see one moderate Muslim, or even Muslim apologist, pull this disrespectful arse into line.

There is a problem in your logic here. It is not for non Muslims to pull up every non Muslim. Not being a Muslim does not make you part of a group with a particular ideology. I have no reason to pull up anyone criticising Islam even if I don't agree with them. Moderate Muslims however do have a responsibility to pull their own into line... But they can't even do that on a forum! Even when they are the moderator! Even when it is pointed out to them they still have to go for deflection; 'stop focusing on Muslims... what about these people!'. Same old...

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Moderate Muslims however do have a responsibility to pull their own into line... But they can't even do that on a forum! Even when they are the moderator! Even when it is pointed out to them they still have to go for deflection; 'stop focusing on Muslims... what about these people!'. Same old...

And what would you like me to say "Wally pretty please, stop posting crap?" Or how about
"Wally I will ban you if you continue posting crap"? Freedom of speech - overrated huh?

You are a complete hypocrite if you think muslims must be obligated to shut the extremists up, but non-muslim critics have no such obligations against those who incite violence against muslims. Especially when we're comparing silly conspiracy theories with constant calls to raze mosques and kill muslims.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

I saw the family of one of the terrorists denounce his actions.
Also some high ranking muslims in auss have disagreed with it.

Which is all quite correct.
But the situation remains.
The problems come from islam and they can offer no solution.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Quantum on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Right... So...

*Muslims don't have to control their own.
*Non Muslims are supposed to control all non Muslims which include; Christians, atheist, Hindus, agnostics, Mormons, Buddhist, etc. (not Muslims though... That would be islamophobic telling them what to do).

Makes perfect sense. No wonder pointing out the connection between Islam and Paris terrorism gets the moderator frustrated, but saying it was just a big Jewish movie production and the cop was just an actor is just an opinion and no issue.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm

"muslims" are not some secret club Quantum, they are a disparate group of unlike individuals scattered throughout the world. Why must we persist with this rubbish? Probably because it helps your prejudice to engage in outgroup homogeneity.

As I've said before, I identify far more with such people as sprint and FD and even you than I do extremist nutjobs who call themselves muslim. My responsibility is with my own family, my own community and my own country. Not some backward hicks whose values and culture are diametrically opposed to my own.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Soren on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

Muslim - race or not?

Not.

Why claim that Mohammed cartoons are racist? Because Mohammed was an Arab? So Mohammed cartoons are anti-Arab without being racists anti-Muslim??

So drawing an atheist Arab called Mohammed would cause riots in the Arab Muslim countries?
No. ( I am hoping.)

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

muslims are not a race, I never said they were.

But muslims can and do get attacked on racial grounds. When jews are caricatured we have no problem condemning that as racism - muslims can also be racially caricatured by using streotypical arab depictions. When islamophobes attack muslims they don't typically look for religious symbols (the hijab being the notable exception), they look for racial markers. Thats why non-muslim of asian/middle eastern appearance are often targeted. A white muslim will likely never be targeted.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

When Australian Muslims slaughter innocent people in the name of Islam, Gandalf is torn. As a fellow Australian, he is partly responsible for the actions of the Muslim. As a fellow Muslim, it has nothing to do with him.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Soren on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:03pm

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

;D

Just so.

But in Gandy's defence, his response in this respect is typical. Divided loyalties do discombobulate.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

Divided loyalties?

My loyalty is 100% to my country as a citizen of a democratic society, and to my own family and community. 100%

I have no responsibility or loyalty to this indefinable "muslim world" or "Islam" (whatever the hell that is). My religious beliefs are my own and don't conflict in any way to my duties and loyalties to my community and country. You people are nothing more than rabble rousers attempting to drive a wedge in society where there is none.

Perhaps one of you can explain how my personal beliefs - which totally reject any of the sort of violence and intolerance you claim I am part of - makes me "responsible" for these terrorists any more than yours.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

Divided loyalties?

My loyalty is 100% to my country as a citizen of a democratic society, and to my own family and community. 100%

You should try to get the old boy on board. He's loyal to some vague notion of a besieged West. It's headquarters is in the Old Country - another abstract that doesn't exist anymore.

Maybe your words will inspire him to join Team Australia, G.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

I appreciate your efforts to distance yourself from Islam Gandalf, but denying any knowledge of what it is takes things a bit too far, don't you think?

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:08pm

I am not responsible for nutjobs for their personal beliefs FD - especially when those beliefs are the polar opposite to mine. If I saw a crime happening and I looked the other way, then yes, you might have something on me. Otherwise, there is no worldwide 'muslim club' where we all look out for and cover each other. Its a fantasy. I am a citizen of a nation and member of a community - thats where my responsibilities and loyalties lie.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm

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I am not responsible for nutjobs for their personal beliefs FD - especially when those beliefs are the polar opposite to mine.

They are not the polar opposite. In the spectrum of views, yours are a bit less nutty, but also more opaque, even to yourself. You see them as polar opposite because you try so hard to attach your identity to the civilised world, but it is an uneasy marriage, in which you find yourself insisting you do not even know what Islam is.

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Otherwise, there is no worldwide 'muslim club' where we all look out for and cover each other. Its a fantasy.

Does Islam not command you to look favourably upon the actions of your fellow Muslim?

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I am a citizen of a nation and member of a community - thats where my responsibilities and loyalties lie.

You put an accident of birth above your chosen religion?

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:14am

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

In the spectrum of views, yours are a bit less nutty, but also more opaque, even to yourself. You see them as polar opposite because you try so hard to attach your identity to the civilised world, but it is an uneasy marriage, in which you find yourself insisting you do not even know what Islam is.

The problem here FD is that you are the most ignorant of islam here - you claim earlier today about child sex being promoted by the Quran is a case in point. And mostly you are proud of this ignorance - you wear it as a badge of honour. You make a point of not learning or understanding islamic concepts, instead referring to "the x-box thing" or "the tent thing" etc. So you are the last person to judge who is and isn't knowledgable on islam. Yet you think you can make these calls because you have something even better than first hand knowledge of islam - you have the third hand knowledge of what Abu said - or in this case, what you say Abu said, but mostly didn't. For you and so many here, Islam is a completely static ideology with exactly one interpretation - the extremist version. And if a self-proclaimed muslim doesn't agree with the head-hackers version, they are a) not a real muslim and b) ignorant of islam. Thats why you go out of your way to not learn islam first hand, and instead cherry pick incriminating quotes from Abu and/or mad Saudi clerics. And anyone who is not on board with your version - especially muslims - they are simply dismissed as ignorant of Islam and/or not real muslims.

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Does Islam not command you to look favourably upon the actions of your fellow Muslim?

no - and thanks for proving my point yet again.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:36am

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The problem here FD is that you are the most ignorant of islam here

I have caught you out a few times on basic facts about Muhammed.

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you claim earlier today about child sex being promoted by the Quran is a case in point.

Whose example does the Koran suggest you follow? A man who had sex with little girls, or a man who did not have sex with little girls?

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You make a point of not learning or understanding islamic concepts, instead referring to "the x-box thing" or "the tent thing" etc.

True, these are very important aspects of Islam that I couldn't care less about. Have you done your pilgrimage to the xbox thing yet? I'm glad you lot wear clothes when you do it, unlike the pagans you are emulating.

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you have the third hand knowledge of what Abu said

I have his actual words. I can quote and link them for you. How is this "third hand"?

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For you and so many here, Islam is a completely static ideology with exactly one interpretation

Did Brian give you the idea of chanting this little line of BS?

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Soren on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:42am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

I am not responsible for nutjobs for their personal beliefs FD

You are responsible for Islam producing such a massive number of nutjobs. You are not solely responsible - but nor are you unaccountable. The 'vast majority' is accountable for the possibility flourishing of the very significant islamic nutjobs sans frontier.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am

Any muslim and any terrorist are birds of the same feather.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:35am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

Any muslim and any terrorist are birds of the same feather.

Tar and feather them.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:59pm

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:36am:

I have caught you out a few times on basic facts about Muhammed.

Let me guess - Gandalf didn't know Muhammad had sex slaves? It is not ignorance, it simply isn't true. I have provided evidence for my contention on this before. What else FD? For someone who repeatedly insisted that Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is in the Quran, I don't think you have much credibility on this subject.

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:36am:

I have his actual words. I can quote and link them for you. How is this "third hand"?

You misunderstand. Abu's knowledge is third hand. He cherry picks the bits out of it from some schmuck's summary of the Quran (I doubt he has actually read the whole thing). You then cherry pick from him all the incriminating bits, and voila - we have the undisputed facts of Islam according to FD.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

Dear Gandalf,

what parts of the Quran do you disagree with?

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:36am:

I have caught you out a few times on basic facts about Muhammed.

I have his actual words. I can quote and link them for you. How is this "third hand"?

Actually, FD’s research method is to quote all the incriminating bits Abu didn’t say.

Abu, do you think Muhammed was a paedophile?

Silence.

Abu, do you think Muhammed tortured that Jew for his gold?

Silence.

Abu, are you, or have you ever been, a despicable Muselman?

Silence.

You see? Proof. FD wins every time.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

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It is incriminating because it is what he and many other Muslims believe. Furthermore, at least he picks from the Koran. When you 'interpreted' Muhammed command to kill gay people (both the giver and the taker) to not actually be a command to kill gay people, you were not picking from the Koran. You were making it up as you go along. So it's a bit rich for you to criticise Abu's knowledge of Islam.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:38pm

FD, are you, or have you ever been, a Muslim.apologist?

Answer the question.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Dear Gandalf,

what parts of the Quran do you disagree with?

:)

Mmmmm?

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:54pm

He disagrees with the bit about following Muhammed's example.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Karnal on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:03am

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:38pm:

FD, are you, or have you ever been, a Muslim.apologist?

Answer the question.

Answer the question, FD, or find yourself guilty of contempt.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Dear Gandalf,

what parts of the Quran do you disagree with?

:)

Mmmmm?

Gandalf will ignore that one. ( I got him )

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

Bobby I don't disagree with any of the Quran. What a dumb question.

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

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There is no Quranic command to kill gays - there you go again. It is a mistake to assume my beliefs compel me to be beholden to any hadith (I have explained my position on this in detail) - but it is an even bigger mistake to continually conflate ahadith with the Quran - as you continue to do.

Isn't it funny though you pick out all the "silly" mental gymnastics Gandalf supposedly does, but ignore those done by Abu et al. They claim apostasy and blasphemy are strictly prohibited and punishable by death. This is despite multiple Quranic commands saying a) no compulsion in religion and b) personal beliefs are exactly, and strictly that - personal. Not to mention not a single mention of any worldly punishments for blasphemers and apostates in the Quran. I'm having to fend off these idiots with one hand while fending off the atheists and other non-muslims cheering them on from the sidelines.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

Gandalf,

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Bobby I don't disagree with any of the Quran. What a dumb question.

Dear Gandalf,

I haven't read it.
Tell me -
So there is nothing in there about beheading non-believers
or killing apostates or Jews?
Nothing about cruel punishments whatsoever?
Nothing about taking up the sword to spread Islam?

I'm interested as to where all the ISIS ideology came from?

cheers
Sir Bobby

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Karnal on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

No no, that stuff comes from a much higher authority.

Abu.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by freediver on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am

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Isn't it funny though you pick out all the "silly" mental gymnastics Gandalf supposedly does, but ignore those done by Abu et al.

We are saving them for when he returns from Syria. No point criticising his logic when he is not here to explain it. Even when he was here he was wary of discussing it. I recall you tried very hard to avoid any serious discussion with him while he was here.

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I'm having to fend off these idiots with one hand while fending off the atheists and other non-muslims cheering them on from the sidelines.

Welcome to Islam brother. Be thankful you are using hands and not the traditional swords. Where exactly is all this fending going on?

In their defense, you can read a lot into the bit about following Muhammed's example.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:12am

I believe we can blame Saudi Arabia for all the trouble.

Why can't they show the true "religion" of Islam -
where Jesus is mentioned many times & his message of forgiveness
& also the idea of Allah the merciful.
They are supposed to be the protectors of Islam's most Holy places.

Instead they abuse human rights -
they cut off peoples heads
they flog journalists & bloggers etc.

Why can't Saudi Arabia use it's huge army to defeat ISIS?

Saudi Arabia stands back & does nothing about ISIS.

One day ISIS will attack them & will be too late.

Islam is full of hypocrites.

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by gandalf on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I recall you tried very hard to avoid any serious discussion with him while he was here.

As usual, you recall wrong.

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

In their defense, you can read a lot into the bit about following Muhammed's example.

Yes, as long as they follow exclusively your BS rape and pillage version

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoZuHtJ0EI

Title: Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Post by Sheikh adamant on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Gandalf,

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Bobby I don't disagree with any of the Quran. What a dumb question.

Dear Sir Bobby, just a quick note on your above questions whilst the wand elf gets his Sunni Shi'ite Stuff in a pile.

In the Arabic language, one word QATL with its DERIVATIVES can mean all of the following:
Fight: Qital, Kifah, 'Airak, Harb, etc
Kill: Qatl, Thabh, Jazr
Murder: Qatl
Slaughter: Thabh, Jazr
Slay: Qatl
KILL, MURDER, FIGHT, COMBAT, SLAY, PUT TO DEATH, SLAUGHTER, ETC.

Invariably, the interpreters of the Quran use the more 'sanitised' terms to convey a more moderate connotation. This word Qital, Qatl, Qatala, Yaqtulu, Youqatilou, is usually used against all those who do not believe in Muhammad and his Quran.
This word and its derivatives are repeated in the Quran and Ahadith at least 35,213 times.

The wand elf also commented on Gays, was it more half truths?

Allah Most High says: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress" Koran (26:165-66)

(1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)

(2) "May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))

(3) "Lesbianism by women is adultery between them." (Tabarani, sahih)"

Just a few links Sir Bobby, until the wand elf returns.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Fight%20OR%20Kill%20in%20the%20Quran.html

Now the apologists crap.

Praise be to Allaah.

We have already stated in question no. 34830 that jihad is of two types: taking the initiative in fighting and jihad in self-defence.

Undoubtedly taking the initiative in fighting has a great effect in spreading Islam and bringing people into the religion of Allaah in crowds. Hence the hearts of the enemies of Islam are filled with fear of jihad.

http://islamqa.info/en/43087

"""I tell them, "Islam declared the WAR ON TERRORISM - over 1,400 years ago!"""

Where did that Shi ite come from but.................... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/ii