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Title: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 2:26am

I said from the start they had an agenda. A former Charlie hebdo journalist confirms it. keep supporting these idiots .

Quote:

To Charlie Hebdo, it’s always been good form to scoff at the “fat idiots” who like football and watching TF1 [television network]. A slippery slope. Belief in one’s own superiority, accustomed to looking down on the common herd, is the surest way to sabotage one’s own intellectual defences and to allow them to fall over in the least gust of wind. Your own, although supported by a good education, comfortable income and the pleasant team spirit of “Charlie’s gang”, collapsed at a stupefying speed. I remember a full-page article by Caroline Fourest which appeared on June 11 2008. In it, she recounted her friendly meeting with the Dutch cartoonist Gregorius Nekschot, who had gotten some grief for representing his Muslim fellow-countrymen in a particularly hilarious way. Judge for yourself: an imam dressed as Santa Claus buggering a goat, with the caption: “We have to share our traditions”. Or an Arab, slumped on a couch and lost in thought: “The Qur’an doesn’t say if you have to do anything to be on the dole for 30 years.” Or even the “monument to the slavery of white indigenous taxpayers”: a Dutch person in foot shackles, carrying a black person on his back, arms crossed and sucking on a pacifier. Foul racism? Oh come on, it’s freedom of expression! Certainly, Fourest granted, the slightly coarse humour of her friend “doesn’t always travel well”, but it must be understood “in the Dutch context which is ultra-tolerant, even angelic, towards fundamentalism.” Whose fault is it if Muslims leave themselves open to gags with export difficulties? That of Muslims themselves and their over-angelic allies, obviously. As Nekschot himself explained to Charlie Hebdo’s readers, “Muslims must understand that humour has been part of our tradition for centuries.”

No-one in your office up and quit after this insufficiently-noticed page, which after all did no more than sanctify a process which had begun six or seven years earlier. Birds of a tolerant feather flock together. But when I read this in your Le Monde article: “We are almost ashamed to remind you that anti-racism and passion for equality of all human beings are and will remain the founding principles of Charlie Hebdo”, the only information I got from it is that your team are not completely immune to shame. Really?

After Val and Fourest left in 2009, called to higher things - one as head of a public radio network, the other to the podiums of official anti-racism - we might have wondered if you would continue to follow their lead in their absence. The least we can say is that you have remained faithful to their line. You’ve absorbed it down to the core, it seems.

Today, those flies which Tignous never fails to add buzzing round the heads of his “beards” are more than ever attracted to your imagination, as soon as you “laugh at” Muslims. In a video posted on the Charlie Hebdo website at the end of 2011, we saw you, Charb, imitate the Islamic call to prayer, to the rapt giggles of your little buddies. What a hilarious new version of the Qur’anic recitation for your magazine’s deadline; Michel Leeb [famous French impressionist - trans.] could not have done better. What collective poison would you have had to stew in to get to this point? From what psychological depths did you drag up the nerve to “laugh” at a cartoon representing veiled women baring their buttocks as they bow in prayer towards “Mecca-relle” [a pun on maquerelle, the madam of a brothel - trans.]? This pathetic stream of crap isn’t even shameful; its stupidity embarrasses you, even before it reveals your state of mind, your vision of the world.

http://posthypnotic.randomstatic.net/charliehebdo/Charlie_Hebdo_article%2011.htm

Je suis non Charlie

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:00am

LONDON (CNNMoney)
Copies of the new edition of Charlie Hebdo were offered for more than $700 on eBay on Wednesday with sellers hoping to cash in on enormous demand in the wake of last week's attack.

At least 20 advertisers were selling copies of the publication for between $60 and $759 on eBay.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/14/media/charlie-hebdo-ebay/index.html

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Dame Pansi on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:02am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:00am:

didnt you know bobs......people paying that think it will help the poor souls who died.....its a kind of FINGER SALUTE that says we dont care how many you kill..

that CARTOON was worth it.. ::) ::)

is the money going to the families of the victims?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by issuevoter on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:09am

That article is overly convoluted. The fact remains that the our culture has evolved in the last 300 years and Islam has not. Therefore it deserves ridicule.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Rocketanski on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:10am

Imagine all the dead leftards in Australia if elitism was a capital offence?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

correct. The agenda was to incite hatred towards the Muslim community, this is obvious now.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:19am

heres another example of freedom of speech in France

Quote:

I feel like Charlie Coulibaly’: French comedian infamous for ‘anti-Semitic’ comments is arrested for Facebook post comparing himself to terrorist

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2910091/French-comedian-infamous-anti-Semitic-comments-arrested-Facebook-post-comparing-terrorist.html#ixzz3OtMhTe5O

bugger the French.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Dame Pansi on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:26am

You can poke the bear once or twice and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking, he's going to get really angry and.........

you know how it ends.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:32am

2000 killed by Boko Haram on friday , mainly women and children who didnt publish any satirical cartoons dont even get a mention. The hypocrisy of these people is enormous.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Rocketanski on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:35am

I wish everyone would stop comparing muslims to bears. Bears are lovable.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:37am

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:35am:

I wish everyone would stop comparing muslims to bears. Bears are lovable.

go and poke one then. probably be the only poke you will ever get.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:42am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:32am:

2000 killed by Boko Haram on friday , mainly women and children who didnt publish any satirical cartoons dont even get a mention. The hypocrisy of these people is enormous.

A top leader of Yemen’s al-Qaeda branch has appeared in an 11-minute internet video, saying that the massacre at Charlie Hebdo was in “vengeance for the prophet”.

In the video, Nasr al-Ansi, a top commander of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, said France belongs to the “party of Satan” and he warned of more “tragedies and terror”.

its what they do.. THEY kill..they dont ask questions...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:45am

not my point cods, 12 people get killed in France who deliberatly insulted in print and the whole world goes apesh!t, 2000 black people get killed in Africa for no reason and silence. This isnt about freedom of speech, its about racism.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:46am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:37am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:35am:

I wish everyone would stop comparing muslims to bears. Bears are lovable.

go and poke one then. probably be the only poke you will ever get.

some folks cannot see further than their nose....strange isnt it...you try to make it easy for them....and they think its an insult to the bear...lol..

even my analogy the beehive full of angry Sth American bees...doesnt scare them they swear they wouldnt stop kicking it... ::) ::)so bwave so smart.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Gnads on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:47am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

correct. The agenda was to incite hatred towards the Muslim community, this is obvious now.

Rubbish ...it had nothing to do with inciting hatred .....
it had everything to do with ridicule aka taking the pizz.

But if had not been the Charlie Hebdo Magazine it would have been someone or something else that offended them.

And if you don't have bears/tigers etc ... as you liken these barbarians too ... in your neighbourhood .....

then there wouldn't be a problem.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Rocketanski on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:49am

I prefer, better not poke a lazy,, stinking, flea-ridden rat.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:50am

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:47am:

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

correct. The agenda was to incite hatred towards the Muslim community, this is obvious now.

nonsense. Theres no dispute, these killings only happened as have previous ones because of perceived insults to the prophet Mohammed.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Gnads on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:58am

The killings only happened because the perpetrators were Islamic extremists.

Why does the world have to walk on eggshells because of these deluded barbarians?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:00am

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:47am:

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

correct. The agenda was to incite hatred towards the Muslim community, this is obvious now.

so you aint afraid....thats good..neither am I...

I am just sad for families that have lost a loved one for a cartoon.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:03am

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

The killings only happened because the perpetrators were Islamic extremists.

Why does the world have to walk on eggshells because of these deluded barbarians?

we dont. but lying about the truth doesnt help.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Gnads on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:17am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:47am:

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

correct. The agenda was to incite hatred towards the Muslim community, this is obvious now.

so you aint afraid....thats good..neither am I...

I am just sad for families that have lost a loved one for a cartoon.

Yes ... but it's sadder that we have backwards thinking barbarians in the world who believe it's fair to murder people over a cartoon.

Obviously no nothing about our old saying re: "sticks & stones" .... don't get me wrong they know how to use sticks & stones ... when they beat & stone women to death for getting raped or driving a car or going to school etc. etc. bloody experts at that one.

They should be all domiciled in the one place .... & the ME sounds like the right place.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:37am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:26am:

You can poke the bear once or twice and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking, he's going to get really angry and.........

you know how it ends.

So its ok to be brave with free speech when poking at christians and jews with there symbolisms, and their traditions.

But cower all the time when it comes to muslims. COWER TO A BULLY,

Oh well i guess in the end pansi is attracted to defending MUSLIM BULLIES.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:49am

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:26am:

You can poke the bear once or twice and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking, he's going to get really angry and.........

you know how it ends.

please show all the offensive cartoons of Jesus published by Muslims.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:55am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:26am:

You can poke the bear once or twice and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking, he's going to get really angry and.........

you know how it ends.

please show all the offensive cartoons of Jesus published by Muslims.

Oh was the people who were killed in the Charlie hedbo office were CHRISTIANS were they ?

I was under the impression that the people who worked on the mohammend cartoons at charlie hedbo were ATHEISTS considering that they also MOCKED CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM as well , ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:59am

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:26am:

You can poke the bear once or twice and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking, he's going to get really angry and.........

you know how it ends.

please show all the offensive cartoons of Jesus published by Muslims.

do you not understand the sentence you wrote yourself?

Quote:

So its ok to be brave with free speech when poking at christians and jews with there symbolisms, and their traditions.

But cower all the time when it comes to muslims. COWER TO A BULLY,

you made the comparison, now back it up. (not back up, this isnt friday night)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:04am

Ian, YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ISLAM DONT YOU ??? YOU DEFEND THIS RELIGION AND YOU HAVE NO REAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION. ??

Didnt it occur to you that there are NO CARTOONS MOCKING JESUS FROM MUSLIMS because jesus is seen as a prophet as well in ISLAM ???

Didnt that occur to you ? that jesus is revered and has a place in the islamic religion ???????? ;D ;D ;D

If your going to defend a religion like ISLAM, READ ABOUT IT FIRST, :D :D

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by red baron on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:07am

I support Freedom of Speech, people like Charlie Hedbo absolutely push the boundaries of peoples' tolerance of those with extreme views.

Freedom of Speech can sometimes come at a great price.

Hedbo and his staff paid the ultimate price for that Freedom.

I don't condemn him but if you put yourself out there to the extent Hedbo did then you had better have good fortifications.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:10am

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

Ive forgotten more about this than you will ever know, thanks for proving my point. even though you are too dumb to realise it.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:11am

gotta love these idiots, argue against their own point. lol.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:15am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

Ive forgotten more about this than you will ever know, thanks for proving my point. even though you are too dumb to realise it.

Your a fool IAN, not just forgetful

I just smashed your argument there, and it was a SIX, ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:20am

Thanks for playing stonker ;)
Next!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:22am

I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:26am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Thanks for playing stonker ;)
Next!

My pleasure, it was fun smashing your argument back there. and exposing you as a fool with no real knowledge of Islam, that you defend

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am

What arguement? Lol. I i dont even have one, all Im doing is let you make yourself look stupid by highlighting the inconsistencies in your logic.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:33am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:45am:

Yes. 4 babies frozen to death in Gaza as a direct result of Israel. Incredible suffering as people are forced to live in tents with no electricity in the bombed out shells of their homes during one of the cruellest winters on record.

And that's just Gaza whose suffering is a popular cause with activists who make sure we hear about it through alternatives to mainstream media. What about all the horrors that are happening as we speak all over the world. On our doorstep even - think PNG.

The MSM has its priorities skewed beyond repair.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:37am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

What arguement? Lol. I i dont even have one, all Im doing is let you make yourself look stupid by highlighting the inconsistencies in your logic.

No argument ! Talking about inconsistencies ?

Quote:

please show all the offensive cartoons of Jesus published by Muslims.

By Ian

And IAN didnt know that muslims dont knock jesus in cartoons because he has a place in the Islamic religion just like Noah and abraham.

IAN, didnt know that jesus is seen as a prophet in ISLAM,

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Your a fool ian, you defend Islam and you know shyte about it.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:56am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 2:26am:

I said from the start they had an agenda. A former Charlie hebdo journalist confirms it. keep supporting these idiots .

Quote:

http://posthypnotic.randomstatic.net/charliehebdo/Charlie_Hebdo_article%2011.htm

Je suis non Charlie

Pity you left out the postscript ian...I think it applies to you rather nicely:

"Postscript 11 January 2015: to all those who think that this article was validation in advance of the shameful terrorist attack against Charlie Hebdo (that they were asking for it), the editorial team of Article 11 would like to give a hearty middle finger to such vultures. To make things absolutely clear, please see this text."

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by HooYAY its FriYAY on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:10am

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

You should listen to yourself Pansi.

They had it coming??

Are you seriously saying that submitting to bullies is the new leftist doctrine. I"ll inform all the women who are victims of domestic violence, all the kids who are molested.

They had it coming??

that is the worst piece of drivel I have read on this forum

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

So, on one is allowed to have integrity, or the courage of their convictions??

So then Nelson Mandela should have given up on his fight with the South African government when he was threatened with arrest, and all the environmental protesters, and the Occupy protesters should leave the protest sites when told to by the police???

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:38am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

that is so immature.....

where is the connection between any of that.. and drawing a cartoon..?

if you cannot see the difference....then you really shouldnt be having this discussion its too difficult for you.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:40am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

The connection is that neither Mandela, nor the various protesters caved in to threats and intimidation....so why should the staff of a magazine have to cave in??.

And I'm sorry cods..but drawing a cartoon does NOT ever carry the death penalty, in the modern civilised world.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:43am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:00am:

I think so - a fair bit of the money from news stands.

That's good.

I don't like how people are profiteering on Ebay out of tragedy & that extra money will
just go into the Ebay sellers pocket.

shame!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:45am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator

REALLY??...

so who was the VICTIM

and who was the PERP?...

you see the extremist see themselves as the VICTIM..

and the perp IS CHARLIE.....

everyone has an opinion on this...and the facts are what count.

not what you or I think....

and the FACTS ARE

17 people DEAD BECAUSE OF A CARTOON....

was it worth it?????....

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:46am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator

The victims are the dead, and the perps are the nutters who shot them, simple really.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:54am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

The connection is that neither Mandela, nor the various protesters caved in to threats and intimidation....so why should the staff of a magazine have to cave in??.

DID THEY GET THREATENED WITH DEATH? IF THEY DIDNT STOP PROTESTING?...

And I'm sorry cods..but drawing a cartoon does NOT ever carry the death penalty, in the modern civilised world.

YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT DO YOU...

THE EXTREMISTS SAYS THE" CARTOON" IS WORTH KILLING OVER...

will you tell the extremists they are not modern.. therefore they should go away.....and not KILL..

you are arguing as if I have some power over the extremists...

I know all you are saying.. it all makes a lot of sense I couldnt agree more...

DRAWING A CARTOON DOES NOT CARRY THE DEATH SENTENCE>>>

I agree....totally...

TELL THAT TO THE EXTREMISTS and the will BLOW YOU AWAY>

you are not looking on this from where the extremists stand on this one.......

they say DRAWING A CARTOON OF MUHAMMAD DOES CARRY THE DEATH SENTENCE...

that my friend is reality......its not a LAW got nothing to do with high minded righteousness

just plain old fashioned reality....

if you have the magic to brainwash the terrorists into believing what you believe well good luck to you....

you see they wont take a scrap of notice of me.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:56am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator

The victims are the dead, and the perps are the nutters who shot them, simple really.

in your opinion... not in the minds of the extremists...

tell me.. was it worth it..was printing the insulting cartoons worth 17 dead??...

please answer me that either way if you can you should justify your answer...

because to me it was a huge price to pay to insult someone who didnt like being insulted...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:03am

Cods, more and more I am finding your cowering and submission (which is the meaning of the word Islam) to the ISLAMO FACIST BULLIES truly disturbing.

If these same people attacked women for not wearing the Hijab, niqab or burka

You probably jump in fear and wear one.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:04am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

:-?

Cods, just because the extremists believe it doesn't mean that the staff at the magazine are required to.
And yes, given the right situation, I would tell them to go away and not kill over something so trivial. Yes, I understand they might shoot me, however that's not the point.
Giving in is the wrong response.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am

In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:08am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:32am:

2000 killed by Boko Haram on friday , mainly women and children who didnt publish any satirical cartoons dont even get a mention. The hypocrisy of these people is enormous.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The fact remains that these people are willing to kill others based on criticisms of some bullshit written in some silly old religious text. It's totally absurd !!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:10am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

which is exactly what muslims do when it comes to rape victims :(

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:10am

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Using cods logic, extreme violence is totally rewarded.

THe most violent are right, no matter what they believe in. It is proved by their extremism.

You are wrong cods. Your thinking is dangerous to freedom.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator

The victims are the dead, and the perps are the nutters who shot them, simple really.

It's the wrong question. The question you need to ask is it worth killing others over the criticism of ones irrational religious beliefs ? The answer of course has to be no.

The next thing is to stop pandering to religious institutions and stop them brainwashing children at such a young age with their god gobbing muck. No school should be funded if it is aligned with any religious institution. Religious institutions should be taxed on their takings and should not be given tax free charity status. If these people need material money to operate then they can pray to their imaginary gods for the money they need.

After 1000's of years of abuse it's time to stop the rot and religious indoctrination of the public !!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:19am

What a load of crap. typical Ian seeking a reason to NOT condemn mass murder. The Charlie Hedbo attacks were mass murder, period.

Only a jerk thinks otherwise. Hence Ian.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

damn, you are cowardly.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

ok I dont mind being wrong.....

but you believe inflaming the fire is better than trying to put it out...

what danger is it to FREEDOM you claim you have..

withdrawing a insulting cartoon.... ::) ::) ::)

enlighten me.... as thinking is dangerous to freedom..and your thinking killed 17 people..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am

sir Nail,

Quote:

The next thing is to stop pandering to religious institutions and stop them brainwashing children at such a young age with their god gobbing muck. No school should be funded if it is aligned with any religious institution. Religious institutions should be taxed on their takings and should not be given tax free charity status. If these people need material money to operate then they can pray to their imaginary gods for the money they need.

After 1000's of years of abuse it's time to stop the rot and religious indoctrination of the public !!

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Grappler (50 shades of) on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am

I'd like you all to consider this:-

The woman who unlocked the door for these murderers must be feeling almost terminally guilty, especially since she was allowed to live.

On the other hand, it is easy to say the idea is to refuse to do what they want because they will kill you anyway and at least others will not die..... but in a real situation like that most people will do as they are told at gunpoint and hope not to die.

She must be feeling ... indescribable.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

so be it..

I am waiting for someone anyone to JUSTIFY 17 deaths.....for a cartoon...

what good did that c artoon do for mankind??....

it must have done something great.. to see those fighting and risking their lives that they will go on...

its very important to our freedom apparently they we have these cartoons out there??...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:25am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

All of them - no exemptions !!

Starve them of material money and they will soon disappear ;)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:28am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

You're blaming the wrong people. It's like killing 17 people because you got offended by a Mickey Mouse comic. There is no justification because both Muhammad and Mickey Mouse are fictional characters.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

All of them - no exemptions !!

Starve them of material money and they will soon disappear ;)

yes sir Nail,

it's called the prosperity message & is preached by Longy's church.

The lavish homes of American archbishops

Records reveal that 10 of the country's top church leaders defy the Pope's example and live in residences worth more than $1 million.

Chicago's Cardinal Francis George lives in a pretty fancy crib, too.
This mansion has 19 chimneys and sits on 1.7 acres of prime real estate in Chicago's ritzy Gold Coast neighborhood. It's worth $14.3 million "as is," but the property could fetch far more, appraisers told CNN.

George, whose private quarters occupy the mansion's top two floors, according to the archdiocese, shares the residence with two bishops and a priest.

Three nuns who care for the cardinal and his mansion live in a 5,800-square-foot coach house near the main residence.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014/08/us/american-archbishops-lavish-homes/

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am

Quote:

ok so being killed or getting your staff killed// is not the point.....is not the point..is not the point...

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

so if you were being robbed by a man with an AK47 who said he would kill you if you didnt hand over all you have......

you would tell him NO DEAL....

because it would go against your belief "giving in" mean failure.... not commonsense..

"principle" it is worth dying for.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:36am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Quote:

Sometimes principles are worth standing up for and need be, dying for, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE NEED TO STAND UP TO BULLIES, especially ISLAMO FASCIST ONES,

Not cower in extreme embarrassing cowardice as you have displayed here.

Sorry cods, but that needed to be said.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:40am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

where did I say that???.....I am not blaming anyone...

I AM ASKING A QUESTION..

would you put the lives of 17 members of your family at risk..

because you felt it was right to draw an insulting cartoon....

no one is talking about justice we are talking about madmen..who say they will kill if you dont stop drawing those cartoons....

they didnt care what type of cartoon the company drew as long as it didnt humiliate their god...

why was that such a BIG DEAL to ask for...

so far all I have had back is

well it doesnt make sense..

I dont mind if they make fun of my god..

why should they mind...

why dont they suck it up...

no one will tell me what to draw and not draw FREEDOM OF SPEECH And all that..this is my country blah blah blah..

I tell you what I bet if your neighbour had a house full of guns.. and complained about your loud music I bet I know what you would do..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by aquascoot on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:51am

If theres a poisonous snake in your back yard, leave it alone.

If it tries to come into your house where your wife and kids are , get out the shottie and blast its fool ass, then go into the back yard and blast its brothers , its sisters, its children, the garden hose (for looking like a snake) and a piece of rope ( for looking like a snake).

Islamic terrorists in Syria are hanging out in their back yard, let them be.
Islamic terrorists in OZ, Europe and the USA have ventured into the house. ;)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:54am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

If theres a poisonous snake in your back yard, leave it alone.

If it tries to come into your house where your wife and kids are , get out the shottie and blast its fool ass, then go into the back yard and blast its brothers , its sisters, its children, the garden hose (for looking like a snake) and a piece of rope ( for looking like a snake).

Islamic terrorists in Syria are hanging out in their back yard, let them be,
Islamic terrorists in OZ, Europe and the USA have ventured into the house. ;)

you have a gun,... I dont..and no one I know has a gun..

and as far as I know.. all those innocent bystanders didnt have guns either...

these extremists are not snakes...who are usually more scared of humans than we of them...

they are armed murderers?.. who have not a thing to lose.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:02am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

muslims killed 17 people.

this time.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Soren on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:09am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

It is not right to tolerate and respect and bow to people who will kill you for a cartoon.

This is why there is such a massive tension between Islam and the West - two completely different outlooks and value systems.
This is why Muslim immigration is hugely problematic in ways, say, atheist or Christian or Buddhist immigration into Western countries is not.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:10am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

Do you look in hindsight at every single death in the world?

How many people get killed just walking to the shops? Do you turn around and say; "buying a bottle of milk... Was it really worth dying for?

There are offices both in business and private residency writing opinions in magazines, blogs, books, etc, that offend people all over the western world. How many have been shot up? Far less than what has been killed walking to the shops.

You have in a short amount of time raked up an insane amount of posts on this forum. I'm sure in your nearly 40k worth of posts you have said something that offended someone. If that person tracked you down and killed you, should we all turn around and say; " I am waiting for someone anyone to JUSTIFY her death.....for a forum post... what good did that post do for mankind??....". I doubt it, because it would be bloody retarded to think like that.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by ian on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:32am:

2000 killed by Boko Haram on friday , mainly women and children who didnt publish any satirical cartoons dont even get a mention. The hypocrisy of these people is enormous.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The fact remains that these people are willing to kill others based on criticisms of some bullshit written in some silly old religious text. It's totally absurd !!

not the point though is it? why the outrage over 17 people in France and zero outrage over 2000 who did nothing to attract Msulim terrorism in africa by Boko Haram? why the solidiarity with the French and not the Africans? I know the answer, do you?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:17am

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

Listen. You should have thought about that before you went into Iraq and removed the "evil dictator". Now there is no one to police these radical f.ckwitts who are willing to kill over a comic strip.

Most of these problems we are seeing now is the direct result of the actions of the Coalition of the Killing. Now you lot are talking like you had nothing to do with it.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:19am

Sir Nail,

Quote:

Saddam knew what to do.

We didn't have these problems when Saddam was at the helm.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:19am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:32am:

2000 killed by Boko Haram on friday , mainly women and children who didnt publish any satirical cartoons dont even get a mention. The hypocrisy of these people is enormous.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The fact remains that these people are willing to kill others based on criticisms of some bullshit written in some silly old religious text. It's totally absurd !!

There's no point to your post because both have been reported as terrorists attacks.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:20am

flip page

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:23am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,
[quote]The next thing is to stop pandering to religious institutions and stop them brainwashing children at such a young age with their god gobbing muck. No school should be funded if it is aligned with any religious institution. Religious institutions should be taxed on their takings and should not be given tax free charity status. If these people need material money to operate then they can pray to their imaginary gods for the money they need.

After 1000's of years of abuse it's time to stop the rot and religious indoctrination of the public !!

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

All of them - no exemptions !!

Starve them of material money and they will soon disappear ;)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:23am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

That's a mystery in itself, isn't it? It's not even as though they were getting paid a small fortune for working in that office, but then again, we keep hearing of swimmers getting routinely killed by sharks at WA beaches and still they keep coming to plunge into the surf.

A Death Wish, or simply no capacity for feeling a healthy level of fear?

**

In France it's legal to lampoon and caricaturise races, religions, and anything else, and so the public display of Je Suis Charlie wasn't in contradiction of the law.

And this is despite their President leading the Socialist Party.

Meanwhile, here in Australia the so-called hardliner Abbott of the 'Tories' has been too much in a funk to scrap C18 and put us on an equal footing with the French.

Political correctness has stripped Abbott of any pretensions he may once have had of being an Australian 'Putin'.

I'd rather have an openly leftwing pollie like Shorten than a 'rightwinger' who buckles at the knees every time the Ethnic Community leaders put in a call to his office.

One term prime minister.

His body language on TV is looking very defeatist. We can only hope that Scot Morrison replaces him as the only chance of the Libs getting a second term.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:33am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

agreeing with any post by renter-nail is death to your argument.

And I can call you gay as much as I like if you are going to call me a Hillsong attender, gay-booby.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:42am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

All of them - no exemptions !!

Starve them of material money and they will soon disappear ;)

your point is what? These buildings were built over 100 years ago using donated money and labor. Not up to you to criticise because you are unable to buy your own home (toenail that is).

Houses worth more than $1M???? in most cities anything in the inner suburbs is worth that or more. And when these buildings were built they were OUTER suburbs.

envy is a real problem for the gay brothers it seems.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

You've seen the senate. What chance has 18C of passing? labor and Greens will vote against it. LDP will do the same, PUP will vote against it because Abbott supports it and that's it... defeated.

Not a lot of point of Abbott putting up a divisive policy that has no chance of passing.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:51am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Not a lot of point of Abbott putting up a divisive policy that has no chance of passing.

Conclusion: Abbott's a lame prime minister who's Dead in the Water and may just as well be retired from parliament at the next election.

I voted for Abbott early-and-often, but apart from a promising start - mainly due to Scott Morrison - he has proved to be as limp and feeble as all the rest of them.

We need a tough and uncompromising leader at the helm - a John Curtin or that other chap. Jack someone.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Not a lot of point of Abbott putting up a divisive policy that has no chance of passing.

you still need to explain how ANY LEADER gets legislation passed by a senate that opposes virtually everything.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Not a lot of point of Abbott putting up a divisive policy that has no chance of passing.

You're ashamed of copper internet and can't admit it... we all know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

agreeing with any post by renter-nail is death to your argument.

And I can call you gay as much as I like if you are going to call me a Hillsong attender, gay-booby.

Hillsong- flippin hell... they love to drink and drive don't they? ::)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

The emotion will express itself: like any of us trolls cods has serious emotional baggage!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Amen!! :)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

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Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

bump

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

you still need to explain how ANY LEADER gets legislation passed by a senate that opposes virtually everything.

Solution: Double Dissolution.

Call an early election.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Gnads on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:20pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

How about you ask the morons that did it instead of those here?

Your belief that the misguided threats & intimidation by extremists should be cowered to are really disturbing.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Gnads on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:24pm

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Quote:

Cods - " principle it is worth dying for" ...........

apparently many of your ancestors thought so

else you may not be here.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

agreeing with any post by renter-nail is death to your argument.

And I can call you gay as much as I like if you are going to call me a Hillsong attender, gay-booby.

Every time I catch Longy out he calls me gay.

He has no other defense.

What a loser.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

Embrace your Homosexuality, Bobby.

Once you have become one with your gayness, you will find yourself impervious to Longweekend's shots and barbs.

Namaste

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

agreeing with any post by renter-nail is death to your argument.

And I can call you gay as much as I like if you are going to call me a Hillsong attender, gay-booby.

Every time I catch Longy out he calls me gay.

He has no other defense.

What a loser.

He doesn't and never has gone to Hillsong. He has said this many times. Despite this, you continuously go from thread to thread claiming that he attends Hillsong. This stupidly drags the thread off topic for no other reason than that you get a turn on from being a troll.

You are the loser.
You are not forgiven.
You are nothing but an arse blasting nob jockey.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

fine so life is cheap.... as like Michael Jackson only in death did they reap the reward..

trouble is I doubt this MONEY... wont last will it.?

you can only spend money once.....where as you can hug a person over and over..

maybe like you MONEY is more important...to those who paid the ultimate price a life sacrificed

mmmmm I still know which I would rather....

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

sir Nail,

Quote:

Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.

agreeing with any post by renter-nail is death to your argument.

And I can call you gay as much as I like if you are going to call me a Hillsong attender, gay-booby.

Every time I catch Longy out he calls me gay.

He has no other defense.

What a loser.

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

To the contrary -

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:22pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Quote:

Cods - " principle it is worth dying for" ...........

apparently many of your ancestors thought so

else you may not be here.

really I do hope my ancestors... were at least ARMED and could defend themselves..

maybe like gizmo you would be happy having them die for principle as long as MONEY was part of the deal..

I do not see cowardice being involved in asking someone to stop drawing insulting cartoons...

yet you see it is so....you would put your family on death watch for a cartoon..

amazing....

it is your right of course.. its called bravery in your world..mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I still know what I would rather..I find it sad you need to call me a coward...just to prove your point...but it isnt unexpected..

I see insulting people as Embarrassing....I would hope civilised people were bigger than that

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:27pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

so be it..

damn, you are cowardly.

How about you ask the nice people that did it instead of those here?

the nice people you refer to have already SPOKEN..

Your belief that the misguided threats & intimidation by extremists should be cowered to are really disturbing.

the cartoon is what these people DIED FOR..

please tell me were all those insulting cartoons.. worth 17 people dying....

the extremist have already spoken......they killed them that is their answer to that question..

you are standing up for the right to draw and print those cartoons.......

you must know what they were worth to have killed 17 people for...

if the terrorist tell you they will 17 more tomorrow if they put those magazines on the stands....

will you put your hand up to be one of the 17?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:29pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

bobs what ever happened to all that forgiveness?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

you still need to explain how ANY LEADER gets legislation passed by a senate that opposes virtually everything.

Solution: Double Dissolution.

Call an early election.

I don't know if it has occurred to you yet but you need to WIN that election in order to pass the legislation. and then what do you do next time? DD again?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

THEY ARE NEVER FINISHED CODS!!! That is the point you so stubbornly refused to get or understand. It is never about any particular incident. They hate us PERIOD. Was the Lindt siege caused by anything we actually did?

grow up and get a set.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

Quote:

Cods - " principle it is worth dying for" ...........

apparently many of your ancestors thought so

else you may not be here.

You're always insulting people... that is why you breathe! ;D ;D

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

Why? Because you don't get it despite it being explained over and over again. Every response is emotional without reason. Gizmo wasn't even talking about money but about the popularity the magazine is experiencing because they won't be silenced and people support that. This has nothing to do with getting rich at the cost of loved ones. It is about principles and the need for society not to give into fear.

This has been brought up many times, including by myself directly in reply to you, but here we go again...

If we stop saying things that upset Muslims, how long until other groups, religions, organisations, etc, start demanding that they get left alone to? If buddhist demand they be exempt from mockery, do they get their request as well? Or does it depend on whether they are likely to shoot the place up?

If you give into their request as well, then sooner or later everyone and everything will be off limits. If you don't, then you are making a special rule for Muslims, as well as admitting that society will bend over for anyone willing to kill to get what it wants. Worse still, if it is the latter, then how long until Muslims start wanting their next demand met? Will we give in again just incase they shoot us?

The question you keep asking (is it worth 17 lives) is the same question that can be asked about every cop who gets killed on duty, or every solider who falls on the battle field. Do we want soldiers dying trying to stop Nazi Germany? No, but we don't want Nazi Germany taking over Europe either. Does anyone want these writers in France to die because of Muslim extremist who are offended? No, but we don't want to give up our values and principles because terrorist might kill us for them. Otherwise we might as well put ourselves under sharia law now and be done with it, otherwise we might have a few more killings.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

No cods...it's NOT about the money (not with the reprinting anyway). It's about showing that they (the press, or the free people etc) can't be silenced....You know, the same attitude that whistle blowers like Assange etc have.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

Why is cod struggling with the concept of Standing Up to Be Counted. If this were an anit-pedo thread she would be abusing anyone who disagreed with the slightest part of her argument. Surely, standing up and being counted against terrorism is pretty much everyones starting point. For goodness sake, even the French - perennial cowards and wavers of the white flag - are standing up to be counted.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

Why? Because you don't get it despite it being explained over and over again. Every response is emotional without reason. Gizmo wasn't even talking about money but about the popularity the magazine is experiencing because they won't be silenced and people support that. This has nothing to do with getting rich at the cost of loved ones. It is about principles and the need for society not to give into fear.

This has been brought up many times, including by myself directly in reply to you, but here we go again...

If we stop saying things that upset Muslims, how long until other groups, religions, organisations, etc, start demanding that they get left alone to? If buddhist demand they be exempt from mockery, do they get their request as well? Or does it depend on whether they are likely to shoot the place up?

If you give into their request as well, then sooner or later everyone and everything will be off limits. If you don't, then you are making a special rule for Muslims, as well as admitting that society will bend over for anyone willing to kill to get what it wants. Worse still, if it is the latter, then how long until Muslims start wanting their next demand met? Will we give in again just incase they shoot us?

The question you keep asking (is it worth 17 lives) is the same question that can be asked about every cop who gets killed on duty, or every solider who falls on the battle field. Do we want soldiers dying trying to stop Nazi Germany? No, but we don't want Nazi Germany taking over Europe either. Does anyone want these writers in France to die because of Muslim extremist who are offended? No, but we don't want to give up our values and principles because terrorist might kill us for them. Otherwise we might as well put ourselves under sharia law now and be done with it, otherwise we might have a few more killings.

why do you guys.. keep bringing in every equation....

I am TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OCCASION..

you want to fight and antagonise thats fine??.....

you have made that perfectly clear.....

I do not think US THE WEST.. are always RIGHT> you do...obviously...even if the reasoning is a bit obscure....

so what are you afraid of they will ask for next if we stop producing cartoons.... I did notice that the Danish paper that was and still is I believe under threat because of a cartoon... have not joined in the hip hip hurray for Charlie....they have not published another cartoon that would offend...

this was deliberate antagonistic action...

this is what I am talking about...I am not talking about soldiers or police....why do you bring in every other... "what about this".....Nazis...come on... you are the drama queen..

your way is making the angry bees angrier.. why inflame an already volatile situation.... this is what I am saying...

the cartoons were sick they were rude and insulting...

who did they benefit????....

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:22pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

bobs what ever happened to all that forgiveness?

all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

what is saying dont print the cartoon...got to do with STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED??

we are talking about DEATH...sorry your not I know

now we have had Hitler WW11 Nazism and now paedos all brought in to justify you STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED..

it has not a thing to do with FREEDOM OF SPEECH that is crap......the cartoons were insulting... [to someone].

they threatened the magazine with DEATH...no ifs or buts..

and they carried out their THREAT.....

what principle was involved in not withdrawing a cartoon...that would have saved 17 lives.. escapes me????.......

there is not such thing as FREEDOM of SPEECH..

we all bend when we have too...

to me insulting the people who threaten to kill..

is like kicking the angry beehive full of killer bees...why do it?..........

do you think those people that are now dead... for a cartoon....

would think STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED was the right way to approach this.?...

stop side tracking to make your point.....paedos have no place in this topic....

and to compare with something that was 70 odd years ago is bizarre....

this isnt war as it was in WW11...and it never will be...these guys plotted and planned this....and not a soul was prepared no warnings nothing... you/we are dealing with pure evil....sometimes it pays to give in a little....dont forget you guys are talking a long way from where the threats are.....

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

you just don't get it. You don't have a clue. No matter how hard anyone tries to explain it to you, you don't actually disagree. No, you actually don't understand the argument.

Well fortunately other people do and are making the stand against terrorism that you are too cowardly to make,

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

how about... you chose the actions... you chose the CONSEQUENCES.......

CHarlie was given a clue what the consequences would be.....

its you who is intolerant.... you do not respect someone else...its a well know fact the extremists do not like insulting cartoons... it isnt new...

so go ahead and kick the beehive...if its what you want to do...

all I am asking is... what good will it do?...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:22pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

bobs what ever happened to all that forgiveness?

all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.. ;)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:41pm

ok longy you can stamp your feet and get all huffy...

I do understand you want to turn this into ww111...

go ahead inflame the fire.. kick the beehive.. carry on.. you are so bwave...you will be first out the door when its our turn..I know..

huhummm you still havent answered the question..

was 17 deaths worth it?...what did you gain from those cartoons...or even the world for that matter do you think the cowardly French as you call them.. are happy with the result..?..

someone actually thinks printing the magazine will change everything and the extremists will run away and hide.........I hope you are right...

then again they may take more lives.....only brave lives of course.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

hilarious and where is Assange now.... and Snowden... ::) ::)

is the world a better place after what they did????...

are we safer....I am sorry but I havent noticed that.

its not about the money so they are giving the magazine away... ::) ::)

and you will be first in line to stick it to those death machines....I know.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

on what cowardly planet do we in any way accept threats of murderous random violence for ANY offence, perceived or otherwise. This is all about rejecting such summary acts of murderous violence.

If we don't make a stand now, where do we? Do you think if we stop publishing cartoons that offends them that the world-wide scourge of Islamic terrorism will end? Do you think ISIS exists to stamp our cartoons? Do you think 911 was perpetrated to stop cartoonists?

THEY HATE US. They hate us for what we are and what we stand for, not what we do. and so we don't respond in actions. we respond by STANDING FOR WHAT WE ARE, like it or not.

I don't care what the reasons are. people who act like this are my enemy. They should be yours too, because if the rest of us falter, they are coming for YOU for no other reason than that you breathe.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:50pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

for all you know those 17 deaths might have given a whole generation the courage to stand against Islamic terrorism. France was a bit weak on the issue. They aren't now. These 17 deaths may stop 10o0s more that would have occurred otherwise. I know you don't see that because fear has paralysed you. But it is true just the same.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

Because of Snowden we know that ALL our emails are routinely read and scanned. We know of a Labor spy. We know a great deal.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

oh gawd get off the pulpit I am sure if you had to face one of these extremists you would be in a dead faint...

these guys are my enemy.....i just dont believe in antagonizing the enemy unnecessarily..

if I was standing next to a beehive full of angry south american deadly bees.......I would not antagonize them I can promise you....

if that makes me a coward and a giver in.. then so be it.. your rants dont bother me at all.. in fact they make you look silly..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

Because of Snowden we know that ALL our emails are routinely read and scanned. We know of a Labor spy. We know a great deal.

AND>>>> your life is much safer?????..the world is a better place.. sorry if I hadnt noticed!!!!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

hilarious and where is Assange now.... and Snowden... ::) ::)

is the world a better place after what they did????...

are we safer....I am sorry but I havent noticed that.

its not about the money so they are giving the magazine away... ::) ::)
and you will be first in line to stick it to those death machines....I know.

Assange is basically under 'house arrest' in an embassy in London, and Snowden is in Russia I believe, under asylum.

Both have basically stuffed up their lives, doing what they thought was right. For the record, I don't agree with either of them, but neither do I think shooting them is right.

There have always been people are who willing to lay down their lives for what they know is right (every soldier in WW1 and WW2 for a start, and all the Australian service people in combat roles overseas now) and hopefully there always will be. I am beginning to doubt it though.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Pedos, nazis, and everything in-between keep getting brought up as examples to try explain the obvious to you because you just don't get it.

I would never buy that magazine or any media like it. I find them mostly unfunny and a case of self righteous know it all jerks whose only way to pay the bills is to insult and make fun of others. And that's the point; I don't like it so I don't buy it. I don't shoot the place up. Simple. The idea that society should censor itself because it may offend someone and that someone may kill is a ridiculous notion. To what end? How much should everyone shut up incase it offends a crazy muslim?

You have expressed plenty of opinions on this forum over the years that someone could find offensive (your chicken shlt attitude on this issue being a good example of that). If someone was to track you down and kill you for those opinions, the conclusion that should be reached was is that it was your fault for stating that opinion? Is a post worth dying for?

Your entire position is back to front. You say that 17 deaths isn't worth it just for a comic. Everyone else says that a comic isn't worth killing 17 people for. Your entire position that we should all live in fear of upsetting the crazies is the worse idea since letting the crazies in in the first place.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:08pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

and if they threatened to attack and kill your family no matter what you did or where you moved, what then? you started the metaphor so answer the question. Would you keep moving further away or ultimately come back with a flame thrower to end the problem?

over to you.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:19pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

Enemy? No, naive in the extreme, perhaps...

Cods, did/do you tell your kids or grand kids to give in to bullies and had over all their money or their lunch when told to??

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:19pm

Cods - can't understand why people keep using nazis as an example and wants to focus on the magazine... Keeps bringing killer bees into the discussion to make a ridiculous example ::)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a stronger set of principles.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

I could try.... I would at least give my family arms to defend themselves..

we are talking about some madmen warning me I will die if I dont stop...thats right isnt it..

or am I dealing with Hitler or a paedo...

you dont seem to understand the angry beehive....

yes i will defend my family I would even defend you and yours....

but i first of all would try to stop any bloodshed... by not printing the insulting cartoon...

that would be my first action......

if that didnt work and they were going to kill me anyway....

then I would at least arm everyone in the work place...

so the enemy who threatened me would know I would fight back with more than words....

I have no intention of running away where did you dream that up..

all I would do is stop drawing the insulting cartoons....

::)

I think that is/was the right thing to do.... they were cruel and insulting...why kick the bees...

I consider that to be the first move to prevent bloodshed....

you think its giving in....so bloodshed it is.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a :(stronger set of principles.

Oh Ive seen people before who have broken down mentally due to fear of bullies

Cods has disappointed me, but thats her choice.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Cods - can't understand why people keep using nazis as an example and wants to focus on the magazine... Keeps bringing killer bees into the discussion to make a ridiculous example ::)

can you explain the topic title to me then please..

you dont think these extremists who chop of head bare any resemblance to killer beehives..

you mean you would kick a beehive if they were annoying you???....how dare they buzz....

ok.. its ok I do understand where your point of view is..

its you who is mistaking mine..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Longy,

Quote:

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a stronger set of principles.

Leave Cods alone you beast.

Cods is well on the way to obtaining enlightenment -

unlike you.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a stronger set of principles.

ok I am a coward

I would rather 17 people didnt die for a sorry cartoon...

your principles put other lives at risk...but I am sure you know that.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:44pm

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a :(stronger set of principles.

Oh Ive seen people before who have broken down mentally due to fear of bullies

Cods has disappointed me, but thats her choice.

bullies with guns and bombs you mean???? ::) ::)

I am sorry you dont see where I am coming from you have all turned this into giving in being a coward not standing up... for whatever... all because I cannot see the benefit in drawing an insulting cartoon... ::) ::)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Longy,

Quote:

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a stronger set of principles.

Leave Cods alone you beast.

Cods is well on the way to obtaining enlightenment -

unlike you.

forgiven

namaste

now now bobs I kn ow you agree with them....and I dont think you should put your neck on this line.. I think they are going to come and get me....the insults are not shutting me up... whats next.. ::) ::)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Longy,

Quote:

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a stronger set of principles.

Leave Cods alone you beast.

Cods is well on the way to obtaining enlightenment -

unlike you.

forgiven

namaste

Because you are on the way to enlightenment you will forgive them & get on with your life.

in love and light

namaste

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:08pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a :(stronger set of principles.

Oh Ive seen people before who have broken down mentally due to fear of bullies

Cods has disappointed me, but thats her choice.

Oh yes I do see where your coming from, human beings can be such cruel creatures, they can kill with a gun or knife or do even worse things such as fingers pressed againsts eyesballs and shoved right in the back of the skull, and it can happened in a split second. or man losing his penis due to a woman scorn alot of bad things can happen to human beings that is as cruel as we imagine, and for all sorts of silly reasons sometimes.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

again you comments escape me...

I am talking about madmen who threaten and carry out death on command...

you are talking about a mad women who cut off a mans pride and joy....did she threaten she would do that i wonder???...

did the person who had his eyeballs shoved in.. know that would happen if he kept doing what ever??>>

do you expect to get stung at least and maybe killed if you kick the beehive???...

its all about perception,,these people you cannot argue with.. they do not want to debate whos right or wrong....they do not LIKE THE CARTOONS>.. they have made that very clear....

maybe the lady with the scissors could have had a nice long chat with her husband and said darling if you keep sticking it where I have asked you not to.. then how do you feel about walking around without a penis for the rest of your life...because that is the consequence if you dont stop..

how wise do you think he was..do you think he didnt think she would go ahead with the threat???

do you think he would say... I am a Man I am a brave man you dont scare me.... I will stick it where I want too.. ::) ::) ::)

which option would you RISK stryker??

the brave one or ???...

THE MAGAZINE CHOSE THE BRAVE RISK..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Cods - can't understand why people keep using nazis as an example and wants to focus on the magazine... Keeps bringing killer bees into the discussion to make a ridiculous example ::)

can you explain the topic title to me then please..

No. I could it explain it to a retarded monkey, but not you.

Quote:

you dont think these extremists who chop of head bare any resemblance to killer beehives..

you mean you would kick a beehive if they were annoying you???....how dare they buzz....

ok.. its ok I do understand where your point of view is..

its you who is mistaking mine..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:58pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Cods,

Quote:

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.

Thanks Cods -

have you obtained enlightenment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0_-an5hio8

hahahah not b y the sound of this lot on here...

I am the new enemy dontcha know,??..

not the enemy. Just a coward. You have a lot of friends just like that. Fortunately most people have a stronger set of principles.

ok I am a coward

I would rather 17 people didnt die for a sorry cartoon...

your principles put other lives at risk...but I am sure you know that.

PRINCIPLES ALWAYS PUT YOU AT RISK. That's why they are not called conveniences. But Principles have a high calling, a higher standard and along term outcome. That's why we go without, fight against the odds and go to war against tyrants, not because it is easy but because it is HARD.

You really don't have a clue about any of this, do you?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

'
I would rather choose trying to be brave THAN LET FEAR CRIPPLE MY SENSES AND SOUL TO BE A COWARD that you have comfortably chosen.

Hey I understand how fear can affect a person, but you see i would prefer US NOT TO GIVE WHAT A bugger*** INCH TO THESE RADICAL ISLAMO BULLIES who want to take control of the freedom to say or express, I dont believe anyone should be killed by being offended,

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

PRINCIPLES ALWAYS PUT YOU AT RISK. That's why they are not called conveniences. But Principles have a high calling, a higher standard and along term outcome. T[highlight]hat's why we go without, fight against the odds and go to war against tyrants, not because it is easy but because it is HARD.

You really don't have a clue about any of this, do you

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I guess I dont !!! I sure as hell dont know as much as you do thats for sure..

you do know where these guys hang out dont you??

you do know what their next move is.. and against whom dont you?

you would recognise them if they happened to walk down your street..?

you would be armed and ready for them 24/7?

you children or childrens children are also armed and ready 24/7.?

its so good to hear you are ready....

btw which tyrants are you referring to in this case???...

or are you just saying the obvious because its the bwave thing to do....

it doesnt undo any deaths,..

.but as long as all your family are all ready and armed then I guess its worth it..

the principles I mean..

you seem to be living on the edge ready for all comers...... but you are prepared thats cool... the good staff of Charlie werent prepared were they... they thought those two coppers would be enough..

I dont want to tempt fate so i havent any guns or armed my family.. not yet...

.I am praying these actions in France where they have marched and stuck their collective fingers up... along with longys and strykers..and now full steam ahead with the magazine full o f hate and insults...

oh yes I am praying your actions are the right ones.. and these extremists will go with their tails between their legs never to be seen or heard of again..again..

they are living in fear of of pol members.. who have no fear but heaps of principles...

I wont hold my breath but that doesnt mean I dont live in hope.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

You don't think your philosophy of appeasement hasn't been tried before? These are the WWII examples that you don't get. Your attitude is that if hitler wants another country give it to him, otherwise he might get mad and shot us.

What if they stopped the comic to keep the Muslims happy. What next? What happens if they ask for any books which are not pro Muslims to be banned. Do you ban them? What happens if they then ask for kids dolls to get band because they are made in human image. Do you ban them in the hope that they might not shoot up a toy shop? How far would you go cods until you said enough?

so if you dont kick the beehive it should at least calm down shouldnt it??..

so far the war has been kept in the middle east...these extremists are fighting their own...but I would imagine they are looking for excuses to attack outsiders like anyone from the West....

so like the sth american killer bees they are spreading.. they are indeed..

Nearly 100,000 killer bees invaded a home near Houston, Texas, in June of 2013. The bees developed their colony in the home that was vacant for two years.
KHOU-tv reported on June 6 that the killer bees swarmed the neighbors' dog, killing the family pet. The bees were removed and taken away by a trained beekeeper.
The invasion could be the result of migration, researchers suspect. Jerry Hayes, the "honeybee guy" at Monsanto, said that the killer bees, which are Africanized bees, migrate where there are warm temperatures. Research also suggests that the bees' behavior changes with weather and fluctuations in barometric pressure.
Hayes describes them as "super-bees" which travel up to 300 miles per year to inhabit tropical to sub-tropical climates.
Professor of Entomology at Penn State University and Director of the PSU Center of Pollinator Research, Dr. Christina Grozinger, said that temperature plays a key role in where the bees migrate. Africanized bees have been found within the last five years as far as the Southeast coast.
Africanized bees originated in Africa and were brought over by researchers to Latin America. Researchers believed that since the climates were similar the bees would be able to survive and produce honey. Instead, they continued to migrate farther north due to the subtropicallike temperatures that occupy much of Arizona and Texas during the summer months.
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killer bees are like the extremists... they look pretty much like everyone else....until they are made angry...they are moving into places where most people thought they would never go.

who knows how m any live in AUstralia...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:41pm

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:41pm

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

well I keep saying it...

they dont CARE WHAT YOU THINK...

and they WILL KILL FOR BEING OFFENDED...

you seem to think these extremists give a toss what you think...you think sticking a finger up to them will scare them off.....go ahead I am not stopping you...let me know if it works..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

thats strange I thought that march and the presses would have shown these bad guys we are not afraid.??
and send them running for cover..

strange

maybe tomorrow bobs we dont need the army we have Charlie standing up to them.....

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:47pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

No way - the French now live with sub machine guns all around them.

The beautiful Paris that I remember is gone - for now.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

No way - the French now live with sub machine guns all around them.

The beautiful Paris that I remember is gone - for now.

BS. There have been "sub machine guns" in Paris for years. You have clearly never been there or you would have seen them.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:55pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

No way - the French now live with sub machine guns all around them.

The beautiful Paris that I remember is gone - for now.

BS. There have been "sub machine guns" in Paris for years. You have clearly never been there or you would have seen them.

The only subbys I ever saw were at the airport.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

You and your smacking bees...

Ok, fine. There were 100,000 bees in the house. What did they do? Did they deal with them, or did they just ignore them?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Grappler Hebdo (je suis) on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:58pm

While travelling through the Heart Of The Nation - Cambella - the other day, I was on the lookout for sub-machine toting Feds at the railway station and such.. no chance.

Nobody seriously expects an attack here on innocent civilians.

If some dockhead plans one - we are wide open and will count the bodies later.....SOP

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by life_goes_on on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:16pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

Better trying to head something off and perhaps have something happen that have armed CMF f-ckheads standing on corners thinking they have a right to know what whoever they take an interest in is doing.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Postmodern Trendoid II on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:20pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

Good propaganda, Comrade. We "progressives" should hope that all the enemies we taunt everyday - Christians, capitalists, bankers, conservatives, Murdoch, rich people, successful people, white people, Americans, Jews - don't become as aggressive as the Muslims. Otherwise, we would have to be quiet in the name of being sensible. Ey, Comrade?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:57pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

Cods - can't understand why people keep using nazis as an example and wants to focus on the magazine... Keeps bringing killer bees into the discussion to make a ridiculous example ::)

can you explain the topic title to me then please..

No. I could it explain it to a retarded monkey, but not you.

Quote:

This point is significant: at the heart of muslim culture is confusion... they don't even know if they are allowed to play chess because it has symbolic images of man/woman as pieces therefore they made their own abstract pieces.... it's quite a talking point inscribed forever over the chess board, and therefore history, forever warning us all as to the weirdness and disunity over what their own religion means to them themselves.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

No way - the French now live with sub machine guns all around them.

The beautiful Paris that I remember is gone - for now.

BS. There have been "sub machine guns" in Paris for years. You have clearly never been there or you would have seen them.

The only subbys I ever saw were at the airport.

(I was in Mexico for Christmas and I don't know what they were carrying but apparently it was normal...)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:02am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:20pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.

This bloke wants everyone to sign up so he and daddy can sit back and fill out tab forms!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:00am

ian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 6:45am:

No, its about radicalism and how to draw it out of its cave so that the enemy can be seen and named.

Radical Islam - The Islamic Perversion - will not stop at extreme reaction against 'blasphemy'...

And while Saudi Arabia continues to fund the Islamist agenda worldwide, you can expect continued expressions of extreme outrage from Islamists.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:00am

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Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:01am

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:13am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

The truth is that Paris looks like a war zone:

No way - the French now live with sub machine guns all around them.

The beautiful Paris that I remember is gone - for now.

my daughter and her family were there two days before Xmas bobs sent back smashing pics.. not a sign of guns or PANIC or TERROR....

we dont have to worry.. quantum an d gizmo and stryker will be guarding us...we can sit back with our martini and drink their good health.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australian-traitor-suhan-rahman-wants-to-spill-blood-in-extremist-fight/story-fni0cx12-1227186353928

whew!

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:20am

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You and your smacking bees...

Ok, fine. There were 100,000 bees in the house. What did they do? Did they deal with them, or did they just ignore them

no dear... they encouraged them to do what they said they would do..

the bees you see are the terrorists its called analogy..

if they hadnt been TAUNTED maybe just maybe 12 staff would still be catching the bus home....

if you TAUNT an angry beehive..

.any rational person would expect to get stung......they might if they were extremely bright understand they could be killed..

same thing with mad terrorists..

if you keep TAUNTING them ... they will sting you and even KILL you..

its what they do KILL..they have promised you....they will KILL you..

so you keep TAUNTING....... ::) ::)

it makes sense to you...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:39am

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You and your smacking bees...

Ok, fine. There were 100,000 bees in the house. What did they do? Did they deal with them, or did they just ignore them

Ok, so you just ignore the question which is actually very easy to answer. Even your own example had the bees being delt with, not just ignored. I'm sure you think your bee analogy is a good one, but after a dozen pages it isn't getting any more relevant or convincing than when you first said it. It's crap, useless.

You have gone full smacking borg in this thread. What may have possibly started off as just being devil's advocate has now got you so backed into a corner that you are having to repeat your bee shlt in a hope someone might think that you actually have an argument.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:10am

oh I see... you want INSTANT ANNIHILATION>..

you forget!!! how many bees are ther?????

do you know.?

..... NO ONE REALLY KNOWS its all guess work...

same applies to terrorists....

you forget blow up this beehive and there are many more where they came from...

same with terrorists

in fact.. they will be even angrier that you killed their beehive.. infact you have made many many more enemies..

thats all they needed another reason to kill

and they know where you live.....because they dont care if your name is quantum...

all they care is they kill someone who is white and christian.. that will do them..

bees like terrorists.. dont care who they kill....

we are all one to them......

this is what you fail to grasp..

you think you can pick out one KING bee the leader.. the one terrorists who calls the shots and thats it...the rest fall into line..

you wish..

but look I am so glad you are looking out for our bums... and will stand tall against any threats we have in this country.....even if it is over a cartoon....

and I dont mind you bagging me either if it makes you feel that kicking the beehive/terrorists is the BEST way to go....

btw where do you live quantum

I know you are brave and will tell us...so when the angry bees read terrorists come we can send them your way... you know exactly how to deal with them

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Muslims killed 17 people this time.

They seriously BELIEVE they are being "good Muslims"
At BEST they are "seriously misguided muslims"
At WORST just common murderers
Just as Judaism and Christianity have a commandment of "Thou salt not kill"
- the Quran has a "commandment" directly from God

Quote:

“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”

THE East Melbourne abortion clinic where a security guard was murdered nine years ago has called for the Victorian government to create exclusion zones around all such clinics to prevent protesters from harassing patients and staff.

A psychologist who works at the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne, Dr Susie Allanson, said that since abortion was decriminalised in 2008, protesters from The Helpers of God's Precious Infants had continued to hound people as they entered and left her workplace on Wellington Parade.

She said clinic staff had called the police and Melbourne City Council almost daily to respond to complaints about the protesters, who thrust pamphlets at patients while telling them not to kill their babies.

''Sometimes patients are in tears when they come in and we've had a partner [of a patient] assault one of them once because he felt so threatened,'' Dr Allanson said.

The protesters also seemed to attract mentally ill people, Dr Allanson said, increasing fear within the clinic.

''They attract all sorts of unbalanced individuals. The gunman who killed our security guard in 2001 stood with them on a couple of occasions and their rhetoric about us being murderers just gives rationale for them to take the next step,'' he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/abortion-clinic-calls-for-protester-exclusion-zones-20101017-16p4l.html

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:59am

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Thank you for stinging yourself in the foot. Your little disjointed rant did show one thing very clearly; you think that the terrorist are out there, they are crazy, that they want to kill, and they will do it anyway. So why all this BS over a cartoon? Cartoon or not, you believe the terrorist are out there and want to kill just because we are not one of them. So why do you think they need a cartoon to do this? If there was no cartoon it would just be something else. So what's the solution cods? Just turn the western world into an Islamic state so our ways don't offend them and give them an excuse to kill us?

I have asked this question so many times and you refuse to answer it. You refuse to answer it because once you do your entire hysterical rant it finished. But let's try it again once last time;

Where do you draw the line? What if they stopped the comic to keep the Muslims happy. What next? What happens if they ask for any books which are not pro Muslims to be banned. Do you ban them? What happens if they then ask for kids dolls to get band because they are made in human image. Do you ban them in the hope that they might not shoot up a toy shop? How far would you go cods until you said enough?

Now let's just assume that for you there is no limit. You would do everything the Muslims ask because you are too shlt scared of upsetting the beehive. They want everyone to speak Arabic, do it just incase they shoot us if we offend them with our own language. So if the path of appeasement is your solution, that of course leads us to the other question that you refuse to answer;

What about everyone else? if Buddhist want us to stop cartoons about them, do you stop? What about other religions? What about fringe political parties? What about corporations, companies and other organisations? Do we roll over for everyone who wants to be off limits in cartoons, or only those willing to shot us?

No more shlt beehive analogies. Just answer the questions straight. Do we keep rolling over for Islam one item at a time forever, and if so, do we do the same thing for every other group that wants its way?

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:00am

In a secular society, proscription against blasphemy has no legal status.

The separation of Church/Religion and State is fundamental to a functioning secular democracy.

The question in this case is simple... Either you believe it is worthy to defend to the death the separation of Church/Religion and State or you don't.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:19am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Muslims killed 17 people this time.

[font=Comic Sans MS]They seriously BELIEVE they are being "good Muslims"
At BEST they are "seriously misguided muslims"
At WORST just common murderers
Just as Judaism and Christianity have a commandment of "Thou salt not kill"
- the Quran has a "commandment" directly from God

Quote:

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“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”

So what is the penalty for insulting Islam in Saudi Arabia, do they chop your head off, are the Saudis doing Islam wrong ?

Buzz and smoked J is your typical Islamic apologist, why does he leave the we decreed upon the children of Israel out of his quote with 5/32, that verse does not apply to muslims.

Quote:

Because of that ,we decreed upon the children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption in the land,it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.
quran.com/5/32

I reckon 5/32 is taken out of context more than any other verse by Islamic apologists like Buzz,for some reason they always selectively quote that verse leaving out the we decreed upon the children of Israel.

Of course apologists like Buzz are silent about the death penalty for leaving Islam-

Quote:

The $Profit said, if a muslim discards his religion,kill him
sunnah.com/bukhari/56/226

The Saudi constitution says gods book (quran) and the sunnah of his prophet are the constitution, the sunnah says death for apostasy,this is what Buzz and the Greens support when they call people Islamophobes.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:21am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Muslims killed 17 people this time.

“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”

These misguided "muslim" murderers remind me of misguided "christian" murderers and their reign of terror and murder - bombing abortion clinics in the US in the latter half of the twentieth century

Even committing cold-blooded murder in THIS country - in "the name God"

[quote]THE East Melbourne abortion clinic where a security guard was murdered nine years ago has called for the Victorian government to create exclusion zones around all such clinics to prevent protesters from harassing patients and staff.

A psychologist who works at the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne, Dr Susie Allanson, said that since abortion was decriminalised in 2008, protesters from The Helpers of God's Precious Infants had continued to hound people as they entered and left her workplace on Wellington Parade.

She said clinic staff had called the police and Melbourne City Council almost daily to respond to complaints about the protesters, who thrust pamphlets at patients while telling them not to kill their babies.

''Sometimes patients are in tears when they come in and we've had a partner [of a patient] assault one of them once because he felt so threatened,'' Dr Allanson said.

The protesters also seemed to attract mentally ill people, Dr Allanson said, increasing fear within the clinic.

''They attract all sorts of unbalanced individuals. The gunman who killed our security guard in 2001 stood with them on a couple of occasions and their rhetoric about us being murderers just gives rationale for them to take the next step,'' he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/abortion-clinic-calls-for-protester-exclusion-zones-20101017-16p4l.html

[/quote]
That's because they are almost identical Buzz, the same mindset, just with different names.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:22am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”

And how does that verse start? What does the next verse say? How about the one after that? If you keep reading you will quickly see that this comment;

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

They seriously BELIEVE they are being "good Muslims"
At BEST they are "seriously misguided muslims"
At WORST just common murderers

Is completely ignorant and straight out wrong. They are doing exactly what a good Muslim should do; overpowering those who corrupt the earth and reject Allah.

Stop apologising for them. Stop quoting that verse out of context. Learn what Islam stands for and understand what actually guides these people.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Thank you for stinging yourself in the foot. Your little disjointed rant did show one thing very clearly; you think that the terrorist are out there, they are crazy, that they want to kill, and they will do it anyway. So why all this BS over a cartoon? Cartoon or not, you believe the terrorist are out there and want to kill just because we are not one of them. So why do you think they need a cartoon to do this? If there was no cartoon it would just be something else. So what's the solution cods? Just turn the western world into an Islamic state so our ways don't offend them and give them an excuse to kill us?

I have asked this question so many times and you refuse to answer it. You refuse to answer it because once you do your entire hysterical rant it finished. But let's try it again once last time;

Where do you draw the line?

[b]thats where I draw the line....like facebook if someone is being mercilessly abused I would stop it if i could..

What if they stopped the comic to keep the Muslims happy. What next? What happens if they ask for any books which are not pro Muslims to be banned. Do you ban them? What happens if they then ask for kids dolls to get band because they are made in human image. Do you ban them in the hope that they might not shoot up a toy shop? How far would you go cods until you said enough?[/b]

you are in hypothetical mode... I dont do hypothetical.

Now let's just assume that for you there is no limit. You would do everything the Muslims ask be

dont assume anything

cause you are too shlt scared of upsetting the beehive. They want everyone to speak Arabic, do it just incase they shoot us if we offend them with our own language. So if the path of appeasement is your solution, that of course leads us to the other question that you refuse to answer;

What about everyone else? if Buddhist want us to stop cartoons about them, do you stop? What about other religions? What about fringe political parties? What about corporations, companies and other organisations? Do we roll over for everyone who wants to be off limits in cartoons, or only those willing to shot us?

only if they threaten to kill you and all around you

No more shlt beehive analogies. Just answer the questions straight. Do we keep rolling over for Islam one item at a time forever, and if so, do we do the same thing for every other group that wants its way?

i know the beehive is far too hard for you..

you prefer hypotheticals to get your point across.

ok my turn..

HOW MUCH BETTER OFF IS THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THOSE INSULTING CARTOONS...

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:43am

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Thank you for stinging yourself in the foot. Your little disjointed rant did show one thing very clearly; you think that the terrorist are out there, they are crazy, that they want to kill, and they will do it anyway. So why all this BS over a cartoon? Cartoon or not, you believe the terrorist are out there and want to kill just because we are not one of them. So why do you think they need a cartoon to do this? If there was no cartoon it would just be something else. So what's the solution cods? Just turn the western world into an Islamic state so our ways don't offend them and give them an excuse to kill us?

I have asked this question so many times and you refuse to answer it. You refuse to answer it because once you do your entire hysterical rant it finished. But let's try it again once last time;

Where do you draw the line?

[b]thats where I draw the line....like facebook if someone is being mercilessly abused I would stop it if i could..

What if they stopped the comic to keep the Muslims happy. What next? What happens if they ask for any books which are not pro Muslims to be banned. Do you ban them? What happens if they then ask for kids dolls to get band because they are made in human image. Do you ban them in the hope that they might not shoot up a toy shop? How far would you go cods until you said enough?[/b]

you are in hypothetical mode... I dont do hypothetical.

Now let's just assume that for you there is no limit. You would do everything the Muslims ask be

dont assume anything

cause you are too shlt scared of upsetting the beehive. They want everyone to speak Arabic, do it just incase they shoot us if we offend them with our own language. So if the path of appeasement is your solution, that of course leads us to the other question that you refuse to answer;

What about everyone else? if Buddhist want us to stop cartoons about them, do you stop? What about other religions? What about fringe political parties? What about corporations, companies and other organisations? Do we roll over for everyone who wants to be off limits in cartoons, or only those willing to shot us?

only if they threaten to kill you and all around you

No more shlt beehive analogies. Just answer the questions straight. Do we keep rolling over for Islam one item at a time forever, and if so, do we do the same thing for every other group that wants its way?

i know the beehive is far too hard for you..

you prefer hypotheticals to get your point across.

ok my turn..

HOW MUCH BETTER OFF IS THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THOSE INSULTING CARTOONS...

Reading your replies is what is too hard. Do you not understand how to quote and format a post?

So let's get this straight, you draw the line at stopping cartoons. If Muslims want to ban TV you would say no, you only draw the line at cartoons. So if they go on a killing spree because we don't ban TV, let not anyone turn around and say "look, 10,000 killed. Was TV really worth it? Why did we kick the beehive?". No, that was ok to say no. We should draw the line were cods says to draw it.

This is a cracker as well. We should only ban things that people find offensive on this condition;

Quote:

only if they threaten to kill you and all around you

That's the chicken shlt attitude everyone is arguing against you for cods. Roll over for a bully. Give them your lunch money today, give them your shoes tomorrow. Give them what they want because they threaten you. And you still don't get the WWII examples? You still think appeasing those who threaten you is the way to go? That's pathetic. That is seriously idiotic and spineless.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:27am

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Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:55am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

Buzz ... is your typical Islamic apologist

Islamic apologists like Buzz

Buzz may be an "apologist" for humanitarians

He may be an "apologist" for environmentalists

But an "Islamic apologist" ?

( ... as the term trended from the "Bigot Dictionary")

As a committed ATHIEST - he's not an "apologist" for ANY cult or religion
He thinks they're ALL a tad "barmy"

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Thank you for stinging yourself in the foot. Your little disjointed rant did show one thing very clearly; you think that the terrorist are out there, they are crazy, that they want to kill, and they will do it anyway. So why all this BS over a cartoon? Cartoon or not, you believe the terrorist are out there and want to kill just because we are not one of them. So why do you think they need a cartoon to do this? If there was no cartoon it would just be something else. So what's the solution cods? Just turn the western world into an Islamic state so our ways don't offend them and give them an excuse to kill us?

I have asked this question so many times and you refuse to answer it. You refuse to answer it because once you do your entire hysterical rant it finished. But let's try it again once last time;

Where do you draw the line?

[b]thats where I draw the line....like facebook if someone is being mercilessly abused I would stop it if i could..

What if they stopped the comic to keep the Muslims happy. What next? What happens if they ask for any books which are not pro Muslims to be banned. Do you ban them? What happens if they then ask for kids dolls to get band because they are made in human image. Do you ban them in the hope that they might not shoot up a toy shop? How far would you go cods until you said enough?[/b]

you are in hypothetical mode... I dont do hypothetical.

Now let's just assume that for you there is no limit. You would do everything the Muslims ask be

dont assume anything

cause you are too shlt scared of upsetting the beehive. They want everyone to speak Arabic, do it just incase they shoot us if we offend them with our own language. So if the path of appeasement is your solution, that of course leads us to the other question that you refuse to answer;

What about everyone else? if Buddhist want us to stop cartoons about them, do you stop? What about other religions? What about fringe political parties? What about corporations, companies and other organisations? Do we roll over for everyone who wants to be off limits in cartoons, or only those willing to shot us?

only if they threaten to kill you and all around you

No more shlt beehive analogies. Just answer the questions straight. Do we keep rolling over for Islam one item at a time forever, and if so, do we do the same thing for every other group that wants its way?

i know the beehive is far too hard for you..

you prefer hypotheticals to get your point across.

ok my turn..

HOW MUCH BETTER OFF IS THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THOSE INSULTING CARTOONS...

only if they threaten to kill you and all around you

slippery slope theory: cods is uneducated ;)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:12pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

his is a cracker as well. We should only ban things that people find offensive on this condition;

Quote:
only if they threaten to kill you and all around you

That's the chicken shlt attitude everyone is arguing against you for cods. Roll over for a bully. Give them your lunch money today, give them your shoes tomorrow. Give them what they want because they threaten you. And you still don't get the WWII examples? You still think appeasing those who threaten you is the way to go? That's pathetic. That is seriously idiotic and spineless.

roll over for a bully...

but it is all right for me or you in this case to BULLY the person who is upset by the cartoon...

you see your version of a BULLY is not different from the extremist.......

he says well they are [the bullies]

INSULTING MY GOD VIA A CARTOON>>what next WILL THEY HANG POSTERS FROM THEIR CHURCH STEEPLES>>>abusing my god??>.

how will I stop them????.....

how will threats go??..

no they didnt work.. so let me show them what will happen if THEY DONT STOP BULLYING ME.

can you understand that... I am not complaining about you BULLYING ME you do understand that dont you..>??

appeasing who appeased anyone in WW11.... what are you saying..

the reason I dont compare then with now is because we are dealing with tow totally different enemies..

I did use the recognition with hitler and stalin but you didnt get that either.. ::) ::)

btw why are you allowed to use anomalies and I am not..

if not posting cartoons.. is appeasement then so be it.... would anyone have noticed if Charlie stopped drawing insulting cartoons...only maybe the killlers...

still waiting to find out how much better the world was with those cartoons in it??????

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:10pm

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

"Do what I want or I will shoot you". That's the Muslim's message. That is the message you want to give in to. It is the end of our civilisation if we start to walk down that path.

How much better is the world with those cartoons in it? Much better. It shows that we didn't walk down that path.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:17pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

"Do what I want or I will shoot you".

THAT IS ALSO THE GUNMANS WORDS WHEN HE HOLD YOU UP IN THE STREET..

I BELIEVE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE SAID SOD OFF...AND THEY NEVER LIVED TO FIND OUT IF IT STOPPED GUNMAN ROBBING PEOPLE...

That's the Muslim's message. That is the message you want to give in to. It is the end of our civilisation if we start to walk down that path.

WOW I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE THAT SCARED.....

SO NO APPEASEMENT.ONLY COWARDS DO THAT.... NOT GOOD AT ALL....

IF WE STOP THE CARTOONS.. OUR CIVILISATION WILL END... :o

THIS IS BIGGER THAN CLIMATE CHANGE

How much better is the world with those cartoons in it? Much better. It shows that we didn't walk down that path.

OH I AM GLAD YOU HAVE FINALLY ADMITTED THE 17 LIVES LOST WERE WORTH IT... >:( >:(

AND YOU CAN GET YOUR COPY OF CHARLIE AND SIT IN THE PARK IN LAKEMBA WITH EASE....17 LIVES MOSTLY INNOCENT LIVES .BUT QUANTUM CAN WALK DOWN THAT PATH.... ::) ::)....

I BET like myself you had never heard of Charlie Hebdo before now...

did you ever hear of the Danish newspaper that also drew a cartoon that upset the extremists...back in 2005..... how much lunch money have they handed ov er since they stopped publishing the insulting cartoons.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)..

as its the path they would have chosen..by your account..

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:52pm

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

As expected you don't read. I said very clearly before that I wouldn't read that shlt. I take no interest in that kind of humor.

Yes it will be the end of our civilization, but you just don't get it.

*If they want cartoons making fun of them stopped,
*and they follow it up with "Do what I want or I will shoot you",
*and because society is too chicken shlt to say "no" it does stop the cartoons,
*then they will demand something else gets banned and follow it up with "Do what I want or I will shoot you".

What are you going to do then? Give in again? Or this time say "no".

If you say "no", then all of your "was it worth it" questions are all BS! Because when you say "no" the next time, you are then kicking the "beehive" that you are so afraid of disturbing and people will die.

If however you say "yes" again, you are even more chicken shlt than I thought! And it will be followed with another demand of "Do what I want or I will shoot you", and you will have the same issue again, and again, until our society is destroyed.

You are not only gutless, you are naive and clueless. This is why you avoid hypotheticals, because they expose you as being exactly that.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:07pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

very true. Cods doesn't get hypotheticals. You should see her in a rage of pedos - defied by her alone of course.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

very true. Cods doesn't get hypotheticals. You should see her in a rage of pedos - defied by her alone of course.

you DO like bringing up paedos dont you... ::) ::)

yes we know you love them and will protect them./.

and I loath them which I am proud of..

no need to keep telling people how you do n ot want a register of paedos.. and how when they have served their time you think they should be free to roam as and where they want.. without any restrictions.. we know... ::) we sure do

you must have a lot to do with them... as you feel so much empathy for them.....

doesnt seem to matter how many times they offend how many lives they ruin.. nup.. leave them alone.. thats longy for you.....he feels more for a paedo than he does for the children.. he also think child porn is nothing to worry about....

damn cods..

yep cods gets upset...I have actually spoken to a law man who had the job of searching the webs for paedos.. way back about 10 years ago.. and I believe itseven worse today...boy that should really please longy.......all the crap about religion yeah right religion of the sick I am thinking...

yes longy I will do anything to stop that filth...SORRY THAT A CRIME TO YOU.. OR EVEN SOMETHING TO SNEER AT

.when you are down there helping the filth I will be there with a bucket of crap for them and you...

damn cods.... she hates my mates the paedos..

thats ok longy you are entitled to your opinion...vile as it is.

and dont come back with all the I have never said that.. because that would be a great big lie...

and you keep bring paedos into this.. a sure sign ::) ::)

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Gnads on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:52pm

Still at it Cods?

Must admit you're persistent .....

wrong in this case

but persistent.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Rocketanski on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:41am

Whatever happened to, 'I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?'

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am

Gnads wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

Still at it Cods?

Must admit you're persistent .....

wrong in this case

but persistent.

so you are happy to back the paedos with longy... thats good to know.I so like to know what type of person I am dealing with... a paedo lover..

..btw I didnt bring paedos into this..

but when someone keeps insisting and even SNEERS when he tells people I will fight for the kids that are brutalised by paedos...

i will stick up for myself.. but you back longy I wouldnt dream of telling you what or whom you may campaign for...

you have every right to stick up for paedos..

isnt this what a free country is all about.??

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:27am

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

Whatever happened to, 'I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?'

not sure what that has to do with anything.....isnt that what a debateing forum is all about??..

do you think a subject should go after a couple of pages...

you do not have to open these threads or engage..it isnt compulsory by any means and feel free to start you own engaging threads...maybe be like light and talk to yourself..at least you will be satisfied with the answers.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryker on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:31am

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

Still at it Cods?

Must admit you're persistent .....

wrong in this case

but persistent.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Funny that, your willing to surrender a bit of it or maybe even more to appease Islamo bullies.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by cods on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:37am

stryder wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

Still at it Cods?

Must admit you're persistent .....

wrong in this case

but persistent.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Funny that, your willing to surrender a bit of it or maybe even more to appease Islamo bullies.

what what.. whatwhatwhat.. what are you whingeing about now.

you are talking to someone who doesnt believe in the word FREE bloody anything... but you do so feel free to support paedos......... its your right just like it is mine to support cancelling an insulting cartoon.. but you dont agree that freedom..

so off you go and chat about how you can throw your mighty support behind paedos.. longy will love you.

I promise not to butt in if you leave my id out of it..

they make me want to vomit just talking about them....

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryder on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:52am

I wonder has the world finally woken up to the threats coming from radical Islam.

Quite frankly I dont think so, I think after the sorrow, the grief, the anger and all those solidarity gestures in paris these week, it all will be swept away.

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by stryder on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

stryder wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

Still at it Cods?

Must admit you're persistent .....

wrong in this case

but persistent.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Funny that, your willing to surrender a bit of it or maybe even more to appease Islamo bullies.

Paedos ??

;D ;D ;D

What on earth are you talking about, Cods ????

Title: Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Post by Quantum on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 1:42pm

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

Still at it Cods?

Must admit you're persistent .....

wrong in this case

but persistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE