Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change.

Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment.

"I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said.

"We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much."

The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013.

"We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment.

"I think man has gone too far," he said.

"Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this."

Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors.

More here :


http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html



So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope.

Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong?

Yeah, I'm in denial. Its not climate change. Its global warming. Climate Change as a term was championed by the Bush Admin. because it sounded less threatening than GLOBAL WARMING. Now they have everyone using it.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 6:33am:

Yeah, I'm in denial. Its not climate change. Its global warming. Climate Change as a term was championed by the Bush Admin. because it sounded less threatening than GLOBAL WARMING. Now they have everyone using it.

You didn't say what you are in denial about ?

Anyone who is not a climate scientist who claims that there is no global warming or no man caused global warming is either an ignorant fool or a phenomenally selfish liar. Who are the real terrorists of the 21st century. Not the Muslims but the climate change deniers. Climate change deniers are far more offensive then any muslim terrorist because climate change deniers are far more destructive to their fellow man and the planet then any suicide bomber.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 7:00am:

Anyone who is not a climate scientist who claims that there is no global warming or no man caused global warming is either an ignorant fool or a phenomenally selfish liar. Who are the real terrorists of the 21st century. Not the Muslims but the climate change deniers. Climate change deniers are far more offensive then any muslim terrorist because climate change deniers are far more destructive to their fellow man and the planet then any suicide bomber.

Well that is an apt description of longloser ;)

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 7:00am:

Anyone who is not a climate scientist who claims that there is no global warming or no man caused global warming is either an ignorant fool or a phenomenally selfish liar. Who are the real terrorists of the 21st century. Not the Muslims but the climate change deniers. Climate change deniers are far more offensive then any muslim terrorist because climate change deniers are far more destructive to their fellow man and the planet then any suicide bomber.

Greed is why the terrorist is upon us... and greed is the only reason people deny climate change!

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 6:33am:

Yeah, I'm in denial. Its not climate change. Its global warming. Climate Change as a term was championed by the Bush Admin. because it sounded less threatening than GLOBAL WARMING. Now they have everyone using it.

You're factually just making shite up as you saddle along like clint tryhard  :D :D

____ wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:22am:

Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong?

He's still playing the wedge of indecision!

o divine art of subtlety  ::) ::)

Scientists 'must be emotionally charged' about climate change to highlight its dangers, claims expert..Professor Chris Rapley: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/scientists-must-be-emotionally-charged-about-climate-change-to-highlight-its-dangers-claims-expert-9950692.html

There are so many holes in Climate Change, only last year, we found out the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, the results would mean all projections would be off, however this news was largely ignored..as Scientists continue to use outdate data basted on incorrect models.

Then you have hundreds of peer review studies proving post climate change predictions have their data manipulate to get a result they wont, as the results dont match up with the data thats imputted. http://wmbriggs.com/public/Monckton.et.al.pdf

For example the IPCC has long predicted that doubling the CO2 in the air might eventually warm the Earth by 3.3 oC, and as i point out in another post IPCC has been caught manipulating data (and despite caught lying, we continue to use their projections) However, Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought

It seems most climate change believers are blind followers were are blind to huge holes.

Pantheon wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

Scientists 'must be emotionally charged' about climate change to highlight its dangers, claims expert..Professor Chris Rapley: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/scientists-must-be-emotionally-charged-about-climate-change-to-highlight-its-dangers-claims-expert-9950692.html There are so many holes in Climate Change, only last year, we found out the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, the results would mean all projections would be off, however this news was largely ignored..as Scientists continue to use outdate data basted on incorrect models. Then you have hundreds of peer review studies proving post climate change predictions have their data manipulate to get a result they wont, as the results dont match up with the data thats imputted. http://wmbriggs.com/public/Monckton.et.al.pdf For example the IPCC has long predicted that doubling the CO2 in the air might eventually warm the Earth by 3.3 oC, and as i point out in another post IPCC has been caught manipulating data (and despite caught lying, we continue to use their projections) However, Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought It seems most climate change believers are blind followers were are blind to huge holes.

Are you using bad english for an ulterior purpose?  ::) ::)

and all you have to do is show us a SINGLE climate condition that is outside the bounds of normal variability or even trending towards such.

the ACC hysteria is astonishing to watch as millions of people get into a hysterical lather about something that does not exist and for which there is zero evidence.

Its the best evidence we have for the stupidity of mankind.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:27pm: Scientists 'must be emotionally charged' about climate change to highlight its dangers, claims expert..Professor Chris Rapley: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/scientists-must-be-emotionally-charged-about-climate-change-to-highlight-its-dangers-claims-expert-9950692.html There are so many holes in Climate Change, only last year, we found out the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, the results would mean all projections would be off, however this news was largely ignored..as Scientists continue to use outdate data basted on incorrect models. Then you have hundreds of peer review studies proving post climate change predictions have their data manipulate to get a result they wont, as the results dont match up with the data thats imputted. http://wmbriggs.com/public/Monckton.et.al.pdf For example the IPCC has long predicted that doubling the CO2 in the air might eventually warm the Earth by 3.3 oC, and as i point out in another post IPCC has been caught manipulating data (and despite caught lying, we continue to use their projections) However, Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought It seems most climate change believers are blind followers were are blind to huge holes. Are you using bad english for an ulterior purpose?  ::) ::)

Dyslexia... so i try my best.

Also address my points, or you're trolling, as i said  Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, current models are governments and media is using is grossly manipulated and outdated.

Pantheon wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:30pm: Pantheon wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:27pm: Scientists 'must be emotionally charged' about climate change to highlight its dangers, claims expert..Professor Chris Rapley: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/scientists-must-be-emotionally-charged-about-climate-change-to-highlight-its-dangers-claims-expert-9950692.html There are so many holes in Climate Change, only last year, we found out the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, the results would mean all projections would be off, however this news was largely ignored..as Scientists continue to use outdate data basted on incorrect models. Then you have hundreds of peer review studies proving post climate change predictions have their data manipulate to get a result they wont, as the results dont match up with the data thats imputted. http://wmbriggs.com/public/Monckton.et.al.pdf For example the IPCC has long predicted that doubling the CO2 in the air might eventually warm the Earth by 3.3 oC, and as i point out in another post IPCC has been caught manipulating data (and despite caught lying, we continue to use their projections) However, Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought It seems most climate change believers are blind followers were are blind to huge holes. Are you using bad english for an ulterior purpose?  ::) ::) Dyslexia... so i try my best. Also address my points, or you're trolling, as i said  Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, current models are governments and media is using is grossly manipulated and outdated.

Dyslexia my asshole  :) :)

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

and all you have to do is show us a SINGLE climate condition that is outside the bounds of normal variability or even trending towards such. the ACC hysteria is astonishing to watch as millions of people get into a hysterical lather about something that does not exist and for which there is zero evidence. Its the best evidence we have for the stupidity of mankind.

do your own homework   :D :D

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 7:00am:

Anyone who is not a climate scientist who claims that there is no global warming or no man caused global warming is either an ignorant fool or a phenomenally selfish liar. Who are the real terrorists of the 21st century. Not the Muslims but the climate change deniers. Climate change deniers are far more offensive then any muslim terrorist because climate change deniers are far more destructive to their fellow man and the planet then any suicide bomber.

Bullsh1t.

____ wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:22am:

Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong?

Someone needs to tell the chief Mick that the gravy train is all out of gravy  ;D ;D

But then again, the church is in on most of the rorts...may as well appease the 'gods' with some good old witch burning

Rider wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 7:00am: Anyone who is not a climate scientist who claims that there is no global warming or no man caused global warming is either an ignorant fool or a phenomenally selfish liar. Who are the real terrorists of the 21st century. Not the Muslims but the climate change deniers. Climate change deniers are far more offensive then any muslim terrorist because climate change deniers are far more destructive to their fellow man and the planet then any suicide bomber. Bullsh1t.

Not bullshit: ImSpartacus is dead on correctamundo  :D :D

Rider wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

____ wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:22am: Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong? Someone needs to tell the chief Mick that the gravy train is all out of gravy  ;D ;D But then again, the church is in on most of the rorts...may as well appease the 'gods' with some good old witch burning

The church is playing the friendly but indecisive role: it extends the time given to industry to change their tools and plant machinery and strategems for continuation in the new paradigm.

He has certaintly said change is afoot yet not really pushed any need for immediacy... change is scary so you can't expect too much from one bloke!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:38pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:30pm: Pantheon wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:27pm: Scientists 'must be emotionally charged' about climate change to highlight its dangers, claims expert..Professor Chris Rapley: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/scientists-must-be-emotionally-charged-about-climate-change-to-highlight-its-dangers-claims-expert-9950692.html There are so many holes in Climate Change, only last year, we found out the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, the results would mean all projections would be off, however this news was largely ignored..as Scientists continue to use outdate data basted on incorrect models. Then you have hundreds of peer review studies proving post climate change predictions have their data manipulate to get a result they wont, as the results dont match up with the data thats imputted. http://wmbriggs.com/public/Monckton.et.al.pdf For example the IPCC has long predicted that doubling the CO2 in the air might eventually warm the Earth by 3.3 oC, and as i point out in another post IPCC has been caught manipulating data (and despite caught lying, we continue to use their projections) However, Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought It seems most climate change believers are blind followers were are blind to huge holes. Are you using bad english for an ulterior purpose?  ::) ::) Dyslexia... so i try my best. Also address my points, or you're trolling, as i said  Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, current models are governments and media is using is grossly manipulated and outdated. Dyslexia my asshole  :) :)

Dyslexia or not, spelling is in no way an indications of intelligence.

Again address my points, or you're trolling, as i said  Majority of small peer -review models predicts no more than 1 oC warming instead—and possibly much less which would much up with the discovery that the Climate is much less sensitive to Co2 than we thought, current models are governments and media is using is grossly manipulated and outdated. 

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:46pm: ____ wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:22am: Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong? Someone needs to tell the chief Mick that the gravy train is all out of gravy  ;D ;D But then again, the church is in on most of the rorts...may as well appease the 'gods' with some good old witch burning The church is playing the friendly but indecisive role: it extends the time given to industry to change their tools and plant machinery and strategems for continuation in the new paradigm. He has certaintly said change is afoot yet not really pushed any need for immediacy... change is scary so you can't expect too much from one bloke!

The church is just p1ssed that industrialisation has dragged more people out of poverty than chanting in churches ever has.

But it likes people to be dumb and to follow their religions without questioning....that's the bit they have in common with the spaz climate warriors  ;D ;D

Like a good Stunt Free Sheeple  ;D ;D

____ wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:22am:

Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong?

The Pope's opinion on AGW is like any one else's opinion......just a single person's opinion.

Poor old Popes caught global warming fever, obviously the Vatican has got some sort of green energy investment rort in the pipeline.  ;D

Not sure what climate change is or global warming, just more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need to scare, raise taxes, or are just plain stupid, and that's being polite to them.

WE have hot days and cold days, we have wet years and dry years, strange the climate (twits, or out of work half scientists) just manipulate data to manufacture their FACts. AS for anything being caused by homo sapiens, give me a good old volcano any time, fix the sky up big time. Note well, not everything the scientists say is factual. Once apon a time the world's leading scientists told us the world was FLAT. Then they told us that our planet (the third one from the sun) was at the centre of the universe, I could go on, but shall leave it at that. Note well, in Melbourne it is mid summer now, Sunday 18 January will have a temperature range of 14-20 degrees, to some this may be proof positive of climate change. Oh well.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Poor old Popes caught global warming fever, obviously the Vatican has got some sort of green energy investment rort in the pipeline.  ;D

LOL no, the Pope is, primarily a politician...whatever his constituents believe is what HE believes.

nasus wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

Not sure what climate change is or global warming, just more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need to scare, raise taxes, or are just plain stupid, and that's being polite to them. WE have hot days and cold days, we have wet years and dry years, strange the climate (twits, or out of work half scientists) just manipulate data to manufacture their FACts. AS for anything being caused by homo sapiens, give me a good old volcano any time, fix the sky up big time. Note well, not everything the scientists say is factual. Once apon a time the world's leading scientists told us the world was FLAT. Then they told us that our planet (the third one from the sun) was at the centre of the universe, I could go on, but shall leave it at that. Note well, in Melbourne it is mid summer now, Sunday 18 January will have a temperature range of 14-20 degrees, to some this may be proof positive of climate change. Oh well.

I believe in climate change, i mean look 200 years ago and we were in a mini ice ages, but i honestly don't think its man made, as i point out above, Co2 just doesn't effect the Climate as much as we thought..

I do think the modern Man-made climate change or global warming is more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need the people to scare to achieve their goals.

I think Earth goes from mini ice ages (1500-1800) to periods of warming (1900-present) and the cycle repeats. 

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Poor old Popes caught global warming fever, obviously the Vatican has got some sort of green energy investment rort in the pipeline.  ;D

Solar panels on the Vatican and the micks will have a third plate to pass around at mass to save the planet from a trace gas.....just another tax on the stupid  ;D ;D

Nothing the catholic church likes more than piling on the guilt.....

I think the Pope read a report that says global warming will cause young boys anus's to close up, thats all the impetus he needs.

Pantheon wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Not sure what climate change is or global warming, just more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need to scare, raise taxes, or are just plain stupid, and that's being polite to them. WE have hot days and cold days, we have wet years and dry years, strange the climate (twits, or out of work half scientists) just manipulate data to manufacture their FACts. AS for anything being caused by homo sapiens, give me a good old volcano any time, fix the sky up big time. Note well, not everything the scientists say is factual. Once apon a time the world's leading scientists told us the world was FLAT. Then they told us that our planet (the third one from the sun) was at the centre of the universe, I could go on, but shall leave it at that. Note well, in Melbourne it is mid summer now, Sunday 18 January will have a temperature range of 14-20 degrees, to some this may be proof positive of climate change. Oh well. I believe in climate change, i mean look 200 years ago and we were in a mini ice ages, but i honestly don't think its man made, as i point out above, Co2 just doesn't effect the Climate as much as we thought.. I do think the modern Man-made climate change or global warming is more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need the people to scare to achieve their goals. I think Earth goes from mini ice ages (1500-1800) to periods of warming (1900-present) and the cycle repeats.

Grats Avo, that is the very definition of Natural Climate Change...or perhaps NGW??

Pantheon wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Not sure what climate change is or global warming, just more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need to scare, raise taxes, or are just plain stupid, and that's being polite to them. WE have hot days and cold days, we have wet years and dry years, strange the climate (twits, or out of work half scientists) just manipulate data to manufacture their FACts. AS for anything being caused by homo sapiens, give me a good old volcano any time, fix the sky up big time. Note well, not everything the scientists say is factual. Once apon a time the world's leading scientists told us the world was FLAT. Then they told us that our planet (the third one from the sun) was at the centre of the universe, I could go on, but shall leave it at that. Note well, in Melbourne it is mid summer now, Sunday 18 January will have a temperature range of 14-20 degrees, to some this may be proof positive of climate change. Oh well. I believe in climate change, i mean look 200 years ago and we were in a mini ice ages, but i honestly don't think its man made, as i point out above, Co2 just doesn't effect the Climate as much as we thought.. I do think the modern Man-made climate change or global warming is more propaganda by parties in some dark closet who need the people to scare to achieve their goals. I think Earth goes from mini ice ages (1500-1800) to periods of warming (1900-present) and the cycle repeats.

::) ::)

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Poor old Popes caught global warming fever, obviously the Vatican has got some sort of green energy investment rort in the pipeline.  ;D

wow, money let's all wig out over how people save their hard earned  ::) ::)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

____ wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:22am: Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong? The Pope's opinion on AGW is like any one else's opinion......just a single person's opinion.

a contrarian spends his life doing what now???  ;D ;D

GREENS is getting desperate to have to quote the pope...

the "Scientists" told us that Victoria was facing one of it's worst fire seasons ever... it's going to be dry and hot blah blah blah... fire and brimstone!!!

Run for the hills Chicken Licken  :D THE SKY IS FALLING.!!!..  :D

strewth... we've had a mild summer, my water tank is full and my lawn is green...

these idiots can't predict weather from one day to the next let alone know what the climate is doing...  ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

GREENS is getting desperate to have to quote the pope... the "Scientists" told us that Victoria was facing one of it's worst fire seasons ever... it's going to be dry and hot blah blah blah... fire and brimstone!!! Run for the hills Chicken Licken  :D THE SKY IS FALLING.!!!..  :D strewth... we've had a mild summer, my water tank is full and my lawn is green... these idiots can't predict weather from one day to the next let alone know what the climate is doing...  ::)

Preaching fire and brimstone is how religion got a start, the global warming cult is just doing the same, the clue is that real global warming would have very many real benefits but like any cult they only preach hell and damnation.

ie. Global warming is all bad and only we can save you ... don't listen to them kiddies, they are warped psychos looking to control your mind for their own nefarious purposes.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:50pm: GREENS is getting desperate to have to quote the pope... the "Scientists" told us that Victoria was facing one of it's worst fire seasons ever... it's going to be dry and hot blah blah blah... fire and brimstone!!! Run for the hills Chicken Licken  :D THE SKY IS FALLING.!!!..  :D strewth... we've had a mild summer, my water tank is full and my lawn is green... these idiots can't predict weather from one day to the next let alone know what the climate is doing...  ::) Preaching fire and brimstone is how religion got a start, the global warming cult is just doing the same, the clue is that real global warming would have very many real benefits but like any cult they only preach hell and damnation. ie. Global warming is all bad and only we can save you ... don't listen to them kiddies, they are warped psychos looking to control your mind for their own nefarious purposes.

lol, define 'nefarious'  :D :D :D i dare you ...where did you go  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o ?????  :D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

GREENS is getting desperate to have to quote the pope... the "Scientists" told us that Victoria was facing one of it's worst fire seasons ever... it's going to be dry and hot blah blah blah... fire and brimstone!!! Run for the hills Chicken Licken  :D THE SKY IS FALLING.!!!..  :D strewth... we've had a mild summer, my water tank is full and my lawn is green... these idiots can't predict weather from one day to the next let alone know what the climate is doing...  ::)

jeez we all should feel at ease now because you have a water tank full of water :D LOL

Lets write that up and submit it to the IPCC for further scrutiny :D LOL

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:50pm: GREENS is getting desperate to have to quote the pope... the "Scientists" told us that Victoria was facing one of it's worst fire seasons ever... it's going to be dry and hot blah blah blah... fire and brimstone!!! Run for the hills Chicken Licken  :D THE SKY IS FALLING.!!!..  :D strewth... we've had a mild summer, my water tank is full and my lawn is green... these idiots can't predict weather from one day to the next let alone know what the climate is doing...  ::) Preaching fire and brimstone is how religion got a start, the global warming cult is just doing the same, the clue is that real global warming would have very many real benefits but like any cult they only preach hell and damnation. ie. Global warming is all bad and only we can save you ... don't listen to them kiddies, they are warped psychos looking to control your mind for their own nefarious purposes.

well it certainly beats killing people over oil although that never happens does it ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 2:16pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:50pm: GREENS is getting desperate to have to quote the pope... the "Scientists" told us that Victoria was facing one of it's worst fire seasons ever... it's going to be dry and hot blah blah blah... fire and brimstone!!! Run for the hills Chicken Licken  :D THE SKY IS FALLING.!!!..  :D strewth... we've had a mild summer, my water tank is full and my lawn is green... these idiots can't predict weather from one day to the next let alone know what the climate is doing...  ::) Preaching fire and brimstone is how religion got a start, the global warming cult is just doing the same, the clue is that real global warming would have very many real benefits but like any cult they only preach hell and damnation. ie. Global warming is all bad and only we can save you ... don't listen to them kiddies, they are warped psychos looking to control your mind for their own nefarious purposes. well it certainly beats killing people over oil although that never happens does it ;)

innocent loves war for oil  ;D ;D

Quote:

Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change

many blessings

the title is proven incorrect

it is corporations who are the biggest polluters ..

you are corrected

namaste

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:06pm: ____ wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:22am: Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong? The Pope's opinion on AGW is like any one else's opinion......just a single person's opinion. a contrarian spends his life doing what now???  ;D ;D

Umm looking at BOTH sides of the argument, and deciding which is the more likely scenario..

Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change


And yet the opposite is happening:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change And yet the opposite is happening: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253

Yeah...weird huh???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:56pm: Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change And yet the opposite is happening: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253 Yeah...weird huh???

Predictable, huh?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:56pm: Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change And yet the opposite is happening: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253 Yeah...weird huh??? Predictable, huh?

This guy has no climate science background; neither formal study or work experience. Indeed  from what I gather he has spent his entire working life engaged in a totally unrelated field and yet he feels able to mockingly dismiss the conclusions of the experts on global warming. And so I ask you fool or liar? Well from all I've pieced together I don't think he's a fool. I think he's a liar.Worse then any terrorist he likes to rail about because this lowlife longliar would knowingly see humanity and the planet continue on this perilous path just as long as his life is not affected. I don't believe in god but I almost hope the christian god does exist so this low life getsvhis punishment!!!!

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:56pm: Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change And yet the opposite is happening: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253 Yeah...weird huh??? Predictable, huh?

Well yeah..but NOT to climate extremists

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:56pm: Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change And yet the opposite is happening: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253 Yeah...weird huh??? Predictable, huh? This guy has no climate science background; neither formal study or work experience. Indeed  from what I gather he has spent his entire working life engaged in a totally unrelated field and yet he feels able to mockingly dismiss the conclusions of the experts on global warming. And so I ask you fool or liar? Well from all I've pieced together I don't think he's a fool. I think he's a liar.Worse then any terrorist he likes to rail about because this lowlife longliar would knowingly see humanity and the planet continue on this perilous path just as long as his life is not affected. I don't believe in god but I almost hope the christian god does exist so this low life getsvhis punishment!!!!

Sorry, Which guy??? You mean the Pope??...who actually has as MUCH 'climate science' background as most of the 'True Believers' on this forum do...so yeah, the Pope is as much of a nitwit 'coolaid' drinker as everyone else on this forum...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:56pm: Humans Are Primary Responsible For Climate Change And yet the opposite is happening: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253 Yeah...weird huh??? Predictable, huh? Well yeah..but NOT to climate extremists

NOTHING is predictable to them other than their own predictions which to dat have a success rate of 0%.  Picking lottery numbers is more successful. At least there someone, somewhere gets it right!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:46pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 1:06pm: ____ wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:22am: Pope Francis has flown to the Philippines, an island nation frequently hit by natural disasters, declaring that man is primarily responsible for climate change. Wading into the climate change debate on board the papal plane, the Pope told journalists he hoped negotiators at the next round of climate change talks in Paris in November would take a courageous stand to protect the environment. "I don't know if it is all (man's fault) but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature. I think we have exploited nature too much." The comments were Pope Francis' clearest on the environment since he pledged to make the issue a priority on the day of his installation as Pope in 2013. "We have, in a sense, lorded it over nature, over Sister Earth, over Mother Earth," said the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics, who has in the past spoken about the need to protect the environment. "I think man has gone too far," he said. "Thank God that today there are voices that are speaking about this." Greeted in Manila by ecstatic crowds on Thursday evening, Pope Francis will on Saturday travel to Leyte, the island hardest hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and meet with survivors. More here : http://www.smh.com.au/world/man-has-gone-too-far-pope-francis-says-we-are-primarily-responsible-for-climate-change-20150115-12rcwm.html So some of the god botherers in parliament and on this board are out of step with yah pope. Denialist of sky fairy faith, is the pope wrong, or are you wrong? The Pope's opinion on AGW is like any one else's opinion......just a single person's opinion. a contrarian spends his life doing what now???  ;D ;D Umm looking at BOTH sides of the argument, and deciding which is the more likely scenario..

gizmo can't believe he had kids for no reason  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(