Personally I don't agree with prisoners sitting around for 9 years in prison waiting to be shot.

If found guilty - execute them as soon as possible.


"[This is] because Indonesia has become the biggest market in south-east Asia," Mr Prasetyo said, adding that up to 50 Indonesians a day die from drugs.

"Forty-five per cent of all drugs productions is for Indonesia. That's astonishing.

"There are so many victims and most of them are young people, productive age. I'm very concerned about this."

Mr Prasetyo said the Australian Government had not pressured Indonesia to grant clemency".

link

In China that is exactly what they do to convicted criminals, found guilty, shot within the week, family sent account for the bullet to the head. No wasting time, no or very few appeals for their citizens, should be more of it. Unfortunately in China there legal system and courts are play things, hence being found guilty by them in not a real conviction, just unfortunate. Then again what legal system is faultless, always a system for the rich, then a system for the poor.
The Bali nine so soon after Miss Corby was caught should have woken them up. Maybe when they are executed it might send a stronger message.

nasus wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Maybe when they are executed it might send a stronger message.

Highly unlikely.

"A recent study by Professor Michael Radelet and Traci Lacock of the University of Colorado found that 88% of the nation’s leading criminologists do not believe the death penalty is an effective deterrent to crime."

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/study-88-criminologists-do-not-believe-death-penalty-effective-deterrent

A barbaric punishment, for barbaric nations.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

Personally I don't agree with prisoners sitting around for 9 years in prison waiting to be shot. If found guilty - execute them as soon as possible. "[This is] because Indonesia has become the biggest market in south-east Asia," Mr Prasetyo said, adding that up to 50 Indonesians a day die from drugs. "Forty-five per cent of all drugs productions is for Indonesia. That's astonishing. "There are so many victims and most of them are young people, productive age. I'm very concerned about this." Mr Prasetyo said the Australian Government had not pressured Indonesia to grant clemency". link

sounds like you would like to be there when they do.. >:( >:(

either way its barbaric.... their punishments dont seem to meet the crime.. the guy convicted of training terrorist got out quick smart..

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

Personally I don't agree with prisoners sitting around for 9 years in prison waiting to be shot. If found guilty - execute them as soon as possible.

Wei Qingan (Chinese: 魏清安, ?-1984, 23 years old): a Chinese citizen who was executed for the rape of Liu, a woman who had disappeared. The execution was carried out on 3 May 1984 by the Intermediate People's court. In the next month, Tian Yuxiu (田玉修) was arrested and admitted that he had committed the rape. Three years later, Wei was officially declared innocent.

Teng Xingshan (Chinese: 滕兴善, ?-1989): a Chinese citizen who was executed for supposedly having raped, robbed and murdered Shi Xiaorong (石小荣), a woman who had disappeared. An old man found a dismembered body, and incompetent police forensics claimed to have matched the body to the photo of the missing Shi Xiaorong. The execution was carried out on 28 January 1989 by the Huaihua Intermediate People's court. In 1993, the previously missing woman returned to the village, saying she had been kidnapped to Shandong. The absolute innocence of the wrongfully executed Teng was not admitted until 2005.

Nie Shubin (Chinese: 聂树斌, 1974-1995): a Chinese citizen who was executed for the rape and murder of Kang Juhua (康菊花), a woman in her thirties. The execution was carried out on April 27, 1995 by the Shijiazhuang Intermediate People's court. In 2005, ten years after the execution, Wang Shujin (Chinese: 王书金) admitted to the police that, in fact, he had committed the murder.

The 2 Aussies should be forgiven - as per the divine plan.

namaste

Why is it and whom decides that the death penalty is barbaric. "the enlightened ones"

I cannot comprehend when some kills another persons children and the first thing the aggrieved parents do is go on television and say they forgive the criminal, that is not barbaric, it weak. Criminals and nation like weak people, weak people become targets, an easy crime, weak nation disappear.
The Bali nine knew if caught they could be executed, hence, execute them. If that does not send a message, execute the next group. The numbers will dwindle. I am staggered that there are nations on this planet, Scandinavian countries who have a maximum penalty of 25 years for murder, 1 person or 101. How pathetic.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

The 2 Aussies should be forgiven - as per the divine plan. namaste

The Spaghetti Monster is a benevolent pasta.


http://blog.cafepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fsm.jpg

nasus wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Why is it and whom decides that the death penalty is barbaric. "the enlightened ones"

Civilised people.

I couldn't care less if they shoot the lot of them...

they were smuggling Heroin which would have killed someone else's child.. they couldn't care less if it did and nor do I care less that they get executed...

and if anyone says that its not a deterrent then they'd be a halfwit..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

I couldn't care less if they shoot the lot of them... they were smuggling Heroin which would have killed someone else's child.. they couldn't care less if it did and nor do I care less that they get executed... and if anyone says that its not a deterrent then they'd be a halfwit..

If it's a deterrent, why did they do it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:30pm: I couldn't care less if they shoot the lot of them... they were smuggling Heroin which would have killed someone else's child.. they couldn't care less if it did and nor do I care less that they get executed... and if anyone says that its not a deterrent then they'd be a halfwit.. If it's a deterrent, why did they do it?

its deterred both you and I...

it might not work 100% but it'll make many many many others think twice about doing it..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:31pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:30pm: I couldn't care less if they shoot the lot of them... they were smuggling Heroin which would have killed someone else's child.. they couldn't care less if it did and nor do I care less that they get executed... and if anyone says that its not a deterrent then they'd be a halfwit.. If it's a deterrent, why did they do it? its deterred both you and I... it might not work 100% but it'll make many many many others think twice about doing it..

I don't refrain from drug trafficking because of the death penalty.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:21pm: The 2 Aussies should be forgiven - as per the divine plan. namaste The Spaghetti Monster is a benevolent pasta. http://blog.cafepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fsm.jpg

Jesus was an enlightened being who preached the gospel of forgiveness.

I must follow in his light & the light of other enlightened beings.

namaste

Yet here we have in Australia the Indonesian, John Basikbasik, who murdered his wife and unborn child by bashing them to death with a bike and what do we do?

We not only release him from prison we have human rights watchdog, Gillian Triggs, lobbying to pay him $350,000 in compensation for "loss of liberty, loss of freedom and injury to feelings"?

No wonder the Indos think we are a country of pathetic losers.

Anyone stupid enough to try to run drugs in a country where the penalty is death would certainly fit their opinion of us.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:22pm: Why is it and whom decides that the death penalty is barbaric. "the enlightened ones" Civilised people.

What the hell is a civilised person or state. Individuals who are civilised, I need to meet some of them. once their child had died of drug overdose by traffickers who could not give a stuff. Or had someone they love murdered or raped and left lifeless by the side of the road by a drug user, high on whatever it is now day, crack. Possibly these civilised people may not be quite as forgiving. I believe the Romans an Greeks 2000 years ago were civilised, as were the Muslims. Their philosophy, buildings, paintings, inspiring. 2000 years ago they killed like it was going out of fashion.
Hence being civilised equals no more death penalty, just slaughter a nation, start a war. I think the Chinese consider themselves civilised. 1500 years ago when the British where still in the stone age living in huts, the Chinese built cites, had laws, gunpowder. Hence being civilised means something else, not sure what, possibly being weak. To many do gooders have taken over the country and leave it wide open to be invaded.

the Bali Bombers?

didn't they get released recently?

how does that work?

We can only hope that the AFP are happy with themselves.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

the Bali Bombers? didn't they get released recently? how does that work?

They were both shot.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:04pm: the Bali Bombers? didn't they get released recently? how does that work? They were both shot.

there were more than 2 bobby...

The smiling assassin walks free

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2717999/Bali-bomber-Muhammad-Cholili-released-TEN-years.html

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:17pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:04pm: the Bali Bombers? didn't they get released recently? how does that work? They were both shot. there were more than 2 bobby... The smiling assassin walks free http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2717999/Bali-bomber-Muhammad-Cholili-released-TEN-years.html

OK didn't know that -
the other smiley one was shot.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 9:33am: Personally I don't agree with prisoners sitting around for 9 years in prison waiting to be shot. If found guilty - execute them as soon as possible. Wei Qingan (Chinese: 魏清安, ?-1984, 23 years old): a Chinese citizen who was executed for the rape of Liu, a woman who had disappeared. The execution was carried out on 3 May 1984 by the Intermediate People's court. In the next month, Tian Yuxiu (田玉修) was arrested and admitted that he had committed the rape. Three years later, Wei was officially declared innocent. Teng Xingshan (Chinese: 滕兴善, ?-1989): a Chinese citizen who was executed for supposedly having raped, robbed and murdered Shi Xiaorong (石小荣), a woman who had disappeared. An old man found a dismembered body, and incompetent police forensics claimed to have matched the body to the photo of the missing Shi Xiaorong. The execution was carried out on 28 January 1989 by the Huaihua Intermediate People's court. In 1993, the previously missing woman returned to the village, saying she had been kidnapped to Shandong. The absolute innocence of the wrongfully executed Teng was not admitted until 2005. Nie Shubin (Chinese: 聂树斌, 1974-1995): a Chinese citizen who was executed for the rape and murder of Kang Juhua (康菊花), a woman in her thirties. The execution was carried out on April 27, 1995 by the Shijiazhuang Intermediate People's court. In 2005, ten years after the execution, Wang Shujin (Chinese: 王书金) admitted to the police that, in fact, he had committed the murder.

Even in South Australia a few yeas ago a murder trial of a young girl was abandoned after the supposed victim walked into court.  We may have not have the DP but we still have the incompetent police and sometimes unbelieveably stupid court system that can attempt to convict someone of a crime they don't even have evidence took place.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:30pm: I couldn't care less if they shoot the lot of them... they were smuggling Heroin which would have killed someone else's child.. they couldn't care less if it did and nor do I care less that they get executed... and if anyone says that its not a deterrent then they'd be a halfwit.. If it's a deterrent, why did they do it?

Because they didn't think they would get caught in Indonesia, and the penalties for getting caught in Australia was worth the risk of becoming rich overnight.

It's a great deterrent in that they won't be doing this sort of thing again.

And then again, the law is all about punishment - not deterrence. Our courts are there to punish. The law itself is the deterrent, and if people choose to ignore that warning, then be it on their own head.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:31pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:30pm: I couldn't care less if they shoot the lot of them... they were smuggling Heroin which would have killed someone else's child.. they couldn't care less if it did and nor do I care less that they get executed... and if anyone says that its not a deterrent then they'd be a halfwit.. If it's a deterrent, why did they do it? Because they didn't think they would get caught in Indonesia, and the penalties for getting caught in Australia was worth the risk of becoming rich overnight. It's a great deterrent in that they won't be doing this sort of thing again. And then again, the law is all about punishment - not deterrence. Our courts are there to punish. The law itself is the deterrent, and if people choose to ignore that warning, then be it on their own head.

And while everyone feels good about the justice being done the real crooks
who import tonnes of the poison here by the container load get off scott free.

nasus wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:27pm: nasus wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 3:22pm: Why is it and whom decides that the death penalty is barbaric. "the enlightened ones" Civilised people. What the hell is a civilised person or state.

One that doesn't kill for punishment.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

It's a great deterrent in that they won't be doing this sort of thing again.

It doesn't deter other criminals.

If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 5:46pm: It's a great deterrent in that they won't be doing this sort of thing again. It doesn't deter other criminals. If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If the DP were a deterrent then states that use it would see a drop in capital crimes except the opposite is true.  The very best result obtained is NO CHANGE.  Only in USA is that reason to continue.  Only in the USA is the existence of compelling new evidence pointing to innocence inadmissaable in a capital case after appeals nor a reason for delaying an execution.

DP supporters are by and large, bloodthirsty or gullible. Or often, both.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

DP supporters are by and large, bloodthirsty or gullible. Or often, both.

On that, we can certainly agree.

It's a miracle!

;)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:10pm:

We can only hope that the AFP are happy with themselves.

og here we go good old dna.. never blames the culprit..its always someone elses problem...so you think had they come back here like you hoped..

they would be back on the streets in 6 months if that....and doing what they obviously would have still been doing had they not been caught... yeah we sure know whos side you are on..

of course as long as it isnt someone you know dying from these drugs.... who really cares.. ::) ::) ::).

they should have b een arrested here where we give them a slap on the wrist we know. >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 6:59pm: DP supporters are by and large, bloodthirsty or gullible. Or often, both. On that, we can certainly agree. It's a miracle! ;)

I would also say totally inexperienced in the world of death.  If faced with such a decision themselves I doubt any would be capable of carrying out a death sentence.

I, for one, could not....and am happy to admit to that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 2:24pm: Maybe when they are executed it might send a stronger message. Highly unlikely. "A recent study by Professor Michael Radelet and Traci Lacock of the University of Colorado found that 88% of the nation’s leading criminologists do not believe the death penalty is an effective deterrent to crime." http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/study-88-criminologists-do-not-believe-death-penalty-effective-deterrent A barbaric punishment, for barbaric nations.

Xenophobic bigot.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Yet here we have in Australia the Indonesian, John Basikbasik, who murdered his wife and unborn child by bashing them to death with a bike and what do we do? We not only release him from prison we have human rights watchdog, Gillian Triggs, lobbying to pay him $350,000 in compensation for "loss of liberty, loss of freedom and injury to feelings"? No wonder the Indos think we are a country of pathetic losers.

This is progress.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Yet here we have in Australia the Indonesian, John Basikbasik, who murdered his wife and unborn child by bashing them to death with a bike and what do we do? We not only release him from prison we have human rights watchdog, Gillian Triggs, lobbying to pay him $350,000 in compensation for "loss of liberty, loss of freedom and injury to feelings"? No wonder the Indos think we are a country of pathetic losers. Anyone stupid enough to try to run drugs in a country where the penalty is death would certainly fit their opinion of us.

While in detention, Basikbasik racked up more than 40 infractions, including assault. He is also believed to have fathered 14 children by four different women.

can anyone explain to me why someone of this character deserves the attention of the Human Rights Comm Gillian Triggs..???....

btw it says in her report she didnt mention his defacto  was pregnant at the time he killed her with a bike...

I guess that slipped her mind.. >:(

as for the Bali boys....it could happen any day now...

this is some kind of torture I would think...and thats not just for the Australians look at all those they shoot.. they all go through the same thing..never knowing when it will be them.for years...we condemned America for torture... why not Indonesia...

ZERO tolerance for this sort of barbarism OR those who support it.

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:01am:

as for the Bali boys....it could happen any day now... this is some kind of torture I would think...and thats not just for the Australians look at all those they shoot.. they all go through the same thing..never knowing when it will be them.for years...we condemned America for torture... why not Indonesia...

Those that are against the death penalty condemn all nations that still use that  disgusting, inhumane form of punishment. They're barbaric, the death penalty should have been abandoned back in the 19th century, it certainly doesn't belong in the modern world of the 21st century, no matter how undeveloped the nation is.

And while many feel good about the justice being done

the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here & in Indonesia

by the container load -

get off Scott free.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:29am:

And while many feel good about the justice being done the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here & in Indonesia by the container load - get off Scott free.

you seem to forget the regular drug busts then.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:29am: And while many feel good about the justice being done the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here & in Indonesia by the container load - get off Scott free. you seem to forget the regular drug busts then.

the ones we hear about in Indonesia are all human mules.. in this country the drugs come in in containers...

I havent heard of massive drug bust in Indonesia on that scale.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:29am: And while many feel good about the justice being done the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here & in Indonesia by the container load - get off Scott free. you seem to forget the regular drug busts then.

I think the big time crooks set up these patsies to do a drug run
& then make sure they get caught for small amounts as a decoy
while their whole container load passes by a few corrupt officials.

They then sit back & enjoy their wealth while the patsies get shot.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:29am: And while many feel good about the justice being done the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here & in Indonesia by the container load - get off Scott free. you seem to forget the regular drug busts then.

You seem to forget the 90% that gets through.

What percentage of containers are searched by Customs?

They open a random one here and there.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

And while everyone feels good about the justice being done the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here by the container load get off scott free.

The 'real crooks', as you call them, are at least able to say their 'clients' are faceless people on the other side of the world, whereas these Bali 9 grubs were happy and willing to get up-close-and-personal with the people whose lives they were in the process of further ruining.

A bullet in the head is all they deserve.

These are the ones who actively push to get more of our youth addicted and into the miserable loop of self-destruction, prostitution, and suicide.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:22am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 6:17pm: And while everyone feels good about the justice being done the real crooks who import tonnes of the poison here by the container load get off scott free. The 'real crooks', as you call them, are at least able to say their 'clients' are faceless people on the other side of the world, whereas these Bali 9 grubs were happy and willing to get up-close-and-personal with the people whose lives they were in the process of further ruining. A bullet in the head is all they deserve. These are the ones who actively push to get more of our youth addicted and into the miserable loop of self-destruction, prostitution, and suicide.

You don't see my point?

The big crims get off scott free.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

You don't see my point? The big crims get off scott free.

They sure do ...


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Good post Herbert - it's a rotten trade preying upon misery

& the big guys never get caught - yet alone shot by firing squad.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Good post Herbert - it's a rotten trade preying upon misery & the big guys never get caught - yet alone shot by firing squad.

There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the Australian government knows it spends virtually nothing on preventing drugs from being smuggled into Australia by the tonne.

There are no where near enough sniffer-dogs and their handlers employed at the wharves and airports.

Only one container out of xyz number actually gets checked by our customs officers.

The inspectors are hopelessly under-staffed with the full knowledge of our successive governments.

The drugs trade is virtually sponsored by government neglect and inaction in this regard.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 9:31am: You don't see my point? The big crims get off scott free. They sure do ... ..http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/crop2_zps36cdb5b5.png http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/crop1_zps0e2ef148.png http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/crop3_zps85126281.png

The Taliban banned poppy growing because they had a huge surplus from the bumper crop the previous year,they were concerned the prices would drop if the market was flooded.

They lifted the ban when the stocks were getting depleted.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

You seem to forget the 90% that gets through. What percentage of containers are searched by Customs? They open a random one here and there.

Customs go by invoices with the shipping documents, if the importer is importing from someone with an approved supplier code like Revlon those containers will not be opened up.

Try importing something from Asia without an approved supplier code from the exporter and see what happens, I bet it gets searched.

First thing customs do is check the invoices and who is the supplier and exporter of the goods,if they don't have an approved supplier code they are likely to be searched.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 10:03am: Good post Herbert - it's a rotten trade preying upon misery & the big guys never get caught - yet alone shot by firing squad. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the Australian government knows it spends virtually nothing on preventing drugs from being smuggled into Australia by the tonne. There are no where near enough sniffer-dogs and their handlers employed at the wharves and airports. Only one container out of xyz number actually gets checked by our customs officers. The inspectors are hopelessly under-staffed with the full knowledge of our successive governments. The drugs trade is virtually sponsored by government neglect and inaction in this regard.

that's a bit unreasonable don't you think not to mention that every other country is worse.  How do you inspect EVERYTHING coming into the country.  search every container, open every box, pull apart everything?

random searches get some results but are mainly there to demonstrate that there really IS a risk of being caught.  IN addition, there are mainly intelligence operations to combat the problem in the first place.

I agree we need more effort, but to claim we are not doing anything is silly.

I was just reading an article saying abbott wont push to much because he doesn't want to affect relations with Indonesia.

So let me get this straight, When they come here and rape women and do a bunch of crazy stuff we're just supposed to forgive them right ?

but when our people make a mistake theirs no forgiveness


Why do people allow this ? I'll travel to Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra where ever, Surely theirs someone with money and power in this country that hates whats going on,

all we need is a voice that the media can't silence, if we get that voice i'll dedicate my life to the movement

does anyone else feel this way ? I have no faith in the Australian government anymore, I sure as hell don't trust them, get rid of anyone involved and start again, the people in charge now and doing everything they can to hurt Australians who want to go to work and live in peace

something needs to be done,

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:12am:

cods wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:01am: as for the Bali boys....it could happen any day now... this is some kind of torture I would think...and thats not just for the Australians look at all those they shoot.. they all go through the same thing..never knowing when it will be them.for years...we condemned America for torture... why not Indonesia... Those that are against the death penalty condemn all nations that still use that  disgusting, inhumane form of punishment. They're barbaric, the death penalty should have been abandoned back in the 19th century, it certainly doesn't belong in the modern world of the 21st century, no matter how undeveloped the nation is.

Just so I understand what you have written, it is OK for the people whom I won't name in Iraq and Syria to cut the throat of hostages. Get someone son to hold a pistol to a captives head and put a bullet in the back of their skull, or to take captives in certain other countries, including Mexico and if ransoms aren't paid, or for some other reason a hostage taker can kill them, KEEPING in mind all these people whom are executed or murdered have committed NO crime, no sin. People can be executed for drawing a cartoon and for any other small indiscretion. BUT governments are not allowed to execute prisoners who have been found guilty of some horrendous crime?  I have got that right then?
May I also point out if you are mentioning the 19th Centaury, the 1800 hundreds we are including the very end of French Revolution, yes in early 1800 there was still some reprisals, then God knows how many other tens of Millions of people where hanged in England who were not fortunate enough to be deported to this lovely country. I don't think anyone in the 1800 hundreds gave a tinkers cuss for the life of a person, in any civilised country back then. You might want to reduce the parameters of your barbaric also disgusting, inhumane acts. You do the crime, you know the consequences, you pay the price. No mercy, that is for a God to give.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

that's a bit unreasonable don't you think not to mention that every other country is worse.

It's not a sporting event. How Australia rates with other countries is totally irrelevant.


longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

How do you inspect EVERYTHING coming into the country.  search every container, open every box, pull apart everything?

Our agents would get aboard at the ports of departure, and with sniffer dogs and 'wands' that detect certain vapours spend the entire trip searching at their leisure.

Containers should by law have a plug fitted near their roofs which would be removed momentarily while the 'wand' is inserted into the container to detect any suspicious odors.

This is all basic commonsense.



longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

random searches get some results but are mainly there to demonstrate that there really IS a risk of being caught.

This doesn't stop the bulk suppliers, and the ones who get caught here in Australia receive the sort of sentences that make the risks worthwhile.


longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

I agree we need more effort, but to claim we are not doing anything is silly.

We need a government that is serious about stopping the drugs trade.

nasus wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

Just so I understand what you have written, it is OK for the people whom I won't name in Iraq and Syria to cut the throat of hostages. Get someone son to hold a pistol to a captives head and put a bullet in the back of their skull, or to take captives in certain other countries, including Mexico and if ransoms aren't paid, or for some other reason a hostage taker can kill them, KEEPING in mind all these people whom are executed or murdered have committed NO crime, no sin. People can be executed for drawing a cartoon and for any other small indiscretion. BUT governments are not allowed to execute prisoners who have been found guilty of some horrendous crime?  I have got that right then?

Yes, you've got that right.

There's no need to lower ourselves to their barbaric level.

There are people out there who rape, as well. Are you OK with governments using rape as a punishment, or is it just killing that gets you excited?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

We need a government that is serious about stopping the drugs trade.

Why would any government be serious about stopping the drugs trade?

Think about it.

I might splash out for this one, Bollinger perhaps.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 12:53pm: Just so I understand what you have written, it is OK for the people whom I won't name in Iraq and Syria to cut the throat of hostages. Get someone son to hold a pistol to a captives head and put a bullet in the back of their skull, or to take captives in certain other countries, including Mexico and if ransoms aren't paid, or for some other reason a hostage taker can kill them, KEEPING in mind all these people whom are executed or murdered have committed NO crime, no sin. People can be executed for drawing a cartoon and for any other small indiscretion. BUT governments are not allowed to execute prisoners who have been found guilty of some horrendous crime?  I have got that right then? Yes, you've got that right. There's no need to lower ourselves to their barbaric level. There are people out there who rape, as well. Are you OK with governments using rape as a punishment, or is it just killing that gets you excited?

Lower ourselves to what?????? are we up there in some cloud, or part of humanity. Lower ourselves, who the bloody hell is "ourselves"""""? Some elitist troglodytes who dare not venture farther from their front door than the mail box. 
Lower Ourselves to their barbaric level, still trying to get my head around that sentence. We who send people to parts of the world to do, whatever they do. We who with "the blessing of the UN" (the idiots) that's the UN, wage war on sovereign countries, invade their shore and do whatever we do. Then, what the heck.
Now, our/my government using rape as a punishment, Sir, you need to stop smoking whatever it is you smoke, please never infer that MY government uses rape as a punishment. Killing excite me, no, does rape excite me no!
Justice excites me, no not what the courts set out, that is the legal system, justice is something else.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 1:19pm: We need a government that is serious about stopping the drugs trade. Why would any government be serious about stopping the drugs trade? Think about it.

Absolutely correct.  Governments by and large do not wish to cut off any underground culture such as drug smuggling etc - for the simple reason that it offers them an excuse not to offer to the many a fair chance, and also offers to them the chance to have a set of 'Usual Suspects' to pick on and 'prove' their mettle as a 'government'.

Cat's Cradle...... Kurt Vonnegut Jnr.....

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16th, 2015 at 4:10pm: We can only hope that the AFP are happy with themselves. og here we go good old dna.. never blames the culprit..its always someone elses problem...so you think had they come back here like you hoped.. they would be back on the streets in 6 months if that....and doing what they obviously would have still been doing had they not been caught... yeah we sure know whos side you are on.. of course as long as it isnt someone you know dying from these drugs.... who really cares.. ::) ::) ::). they should have b een arrested here where we give them a slap on the wrist we know. >:(

they would be back on the streets in 6 months .......they should have b een arrested here where we give them a slap on the wrist 

The penalty for importing a marketable quantity of heroin into Australia is $550,000 fine and up to 25 years in prison. The average sentence given is about 8 years with about 10% going away for over 10 years. this would have been at the higher end.

The penalty for importing a commercial quantity is $825,000 fine and a sentence of up to life in prison.


This is a little more than a slap on the wrist.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

The penalty for importing a marketable quantity of heroin into Australia is $550,000 fine and up to 25 years in prison. The average sentence given is about 8 years with about 10% going away for over 10 years. this would have been at the higher end. The penalty for importing a commercial quantity is $825,000 fine and a sentence of up to life in prison. This is a little more than a slap on the wrist.

Thank you for this highly entertaining trip into The Twilight Zone, Dna.

But ... Now for the reality:

link

"(ANZSOC: Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2011) for illicit drug offences. ... The average aggregate sentence for dealing or trafficking amphetamines was 39.8 months, with an average ... Keywords: illicit drugs, amphetamines, penalty, prison, sentence length ..... reflect the actual minimum time spent in custody, as offenders"

link

I repeat ... There is nothing more than a very token and reluctant effort by Australian government authorities and our criminal courts to deal with drugs crime in this country.

It's why the Bali 9 knew that all they had to do was make landfall on Australian soil and the penalty if caught would make the risk worthwhile to become rich overnight.

Our government and judiciary are the Silent Partners in the drugs trade for making it so attractive as a Risk Venture enterprise.

Successive Australian governments no more want to deal with the drugs trade than they do with clamping down on our Muslim Ghetto Community and sanitising it with some hardline rules. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 5:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 9:26pm: The penalty for importing a marketable quantity of heroin into Australia is $550,000 fine and up to 25 years in prison. The average sentence given is about 8 years with about 10% going away for over 10 years. this would have been at the higher end. The penalty for importing a commercial quantity is $825,000 fine and a sentence of up to life in prison. This is a little more than a slap on the wrist. Thank you for this highly entertaining trip into The Twilight Zone, Dna. But ... Now for the reality: link "(ANZSOC: Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2011) for illicit drug offences. ... The average aggregate sentence for dealing or trafficking amphetamines was 39.8 months, with an average ... Keywords: illicit drugs, amphetamines, penalty, prison, sentence length ..... reflect the actual minimum time spent in custody, as offenders" link I repeat ... There is nothing more than a very token and reluctant effort by Australian government authorities and our criminal courts to deal with drugs crime in this country. It's why the Bali 9 knew that all they had to do was make landfall on Australian soil and the penalty if caught would make the risk worthwhile to become rich overnight. Our government and judiciary are the Silent Partners in the drugs trade for making it so attractive as a Risk Venture enterprise. Successive Australian governments no more want to deal with the drugs trade than they do with clamping down on our Muslim Ghetto Community and sanitising it with some hardline rules.

Herb - you Victorian numbers are irrelevant as they were flying into Sydney and the amphetamines data is also irrelevant as they were not importing this drug. It is worth noting however that the NSW penalties for amphetamines were substantially more severe than the old Vic numbers showing that for the group on this topic the penalty would be higher still.

I guess if they were Anglo yobbos the Australian government would be much more keen to stand by them.

Apology for being politically incorrect.

athos wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

I guess if they were Anglo yobbos the Australian government would be much more keen to stand by them. Apology for being politically incorrect.

Actually quite the opposite, Athos.

The Anglo leadership both here and in Britain are far more reluctant to come down hard on ethnics than they are on their own people.

There's the imperative to always be seen as non-racist towards ethnics and non-partisan towards one's own Anglo kith and kin.

The sooner they are (disposed off) the better. I was going to write the sooner they are shot the better, I did not just in case this was politically incorrect. Lol. It's only a 9mm.