Seems this is no longer speculation - the libs really are moving against Abbott. The liberal party room seems to be as chaotic as the labor caucus was under Rudd - and it seems more and more likely it will end the same way.

How hilarious - to think that Abbott basically built his reputation in opposition as *NOT* being Rudd - not being the chaotic megalomaniac that drove his party to mutiny. And now here we are... again.

Thank heavens the grown ups are in charge indeed....


Quote:

Signs of mutiny on the Good Ship Abbott Opinion By Paula Matthewson Updated yesterday at 9:59amMon 19 Jan 2015, 9:59am We've known for some time that the Good Ship Abbott was in trouble, and with MPs now seemingly jostling for position could it be a case of man overboard? Paula Matthewson writes. That sound you hear is the whisper of Liberal Party MPs carefully shuffling around a Prime Minister who's taken on water and is listing dangerously. They're hoping to avoid being dragged down with him into the dark waters of electoral opprobrium and are eyeing those who hope to replace the PM as potential lifeboats. We've known for some time that the Good Ship Abbott was in trouble, partly because it was constructed using shonky policies and shattered expectations, but also because it was steered with the reckless abandon that comes from political hubris mixed with a misguided sense of entitlement. The summer break provided an opportunity to put the ship in dry dock, replace the defective policies and adjust the political navigation system. At least that was the point of Tony Abbott's "reset" press conference and the ministry reshuffle conducted late last year. However, it would appear that no such reset actually took place. Instead Abbott pressed on, continuing to make poor political decisions like the no-media visit to Iraq while bushfires raged in three Australian states, and even worse policy decisions like the unannounced $20 cut to the Medicare rebate. Now a leak about the Medicare cut from the Cabinet's expenditure review committee over the weekend suggests hope is fading fast for HMAS Abbott to be successfully refloated, and that the decks are being cleared for a regime change. Ministers are already jostling to be in the new leadership line-up, and the weekend's leak flags that Joe Hockey, the one-time heir-apparent but now only the beleaguered Treasurer, wants to be back in contention. It would also appear Hockey is unafraid to tarnish the PM's reputation while seeking to rehabilitate his own.

full article:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/matthewson-signs-of-mutiny-on-the-good-ship-abbott/6024180

What is amazing is how very many years this guy has survived in politics... took about five minutes in the hot seat for him and Hockshop Joe to hit the skids....

Amazing.. simply amazing..... this guy is our 'prime minister'....... the Assyrian Wolf In the Fold even has an Assistant Treasurer to help him write his speeches or whatever Treasurers do, since others do the actual work and he merely functions as mouthpiece.. total waste of time to have an 'assistant treasurer' at huge cost.... or even a treasurer.. any idiot could lay out the figures.. though I suppose the art is in the massaging of figures....

Takes an expert to do that.....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:51am:

What is amazing is how very many years this guy has survived in politics... took about five minutes in the hot seat for him and Hockshop Joe to hit the skids.... Amazing.. simply amazing..... this guy is our 'prime minister'....... the Assyrian Wolf In the Fold even has an Assistant Treasurer to help him write his speeches or whatever Treasurers do, since others do the actual work and he merely functions as mouthpiece.. total waste of time to have an 'assistant treasurer' at huge cost.... or even a treasurer.. any idiot could lay out the figures.. though I suppose the art is in the massaging of figures.... Takes an expert to do that.....

Could not agree more grap. Howard must have been amazing to keep their incompetence hidden. The knives might be out for abbott but who will get the nod?

Abbott and Hockey need to be replaced by the 2 star performers

Bishop for pm
Morrison for deputy.

The sooner the better

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:15am:

Abbott and Hockey need to be replaced by the 2 star performers Bishop for pm Morrison for deputy. The sooner the better

I think the other way around. Bishop has, to-date, been virtually silent on domestic issues. Her views, through no fault of her own, on such issues aren't all that well known, which is understandable given her job relates to global issues. Morrison has shown himself to be a tough but fair Minister who can cut through the crap to get the job done. If there was a change at the top, I'd also replace Hockey with Turnbull, given his extensive experience in the financial sector.

Do not think the 'boys club' will accept bishop as leader. Robb for the top job for mine and would like to see turncoat as treasurer but do not think it will happen. Whatever changes they make can only be an improvement.

Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(       

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:15am:

Abbott and Hockey need to be replaced by the 2 star performers Bishop for pm Morrison for deputy. The sooner the better

The never, the better.

These two would be the worst possible choices. Apart from the fools we currently have, of course.

The Right really do hate everything Australia is renowned and envied for, don't you?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:54am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:15am: Abbott and Hockey need to be replaced by the 2 star performers Bishop for pm Morrison for deputy. The sooner the better I think the other way around. Bishop has, to-date, been virtually silent on domestic issues. Her views, through no fault of her own, on such issues aren't all that well known, which is understandable given her job relates to global issues. Morrison has shown himself to be a tough but fair Minister who can cut through the crap to get the job done. If there was a change at the top, I'd also replace Hockey with Turnbull, given his extensive experience in the financial sector.

No.

What he's shown himself to be is an evil, vicious and megalomaniacal scumbag.

He should be in prison for human-rights abuses, not sitting in Parliament.

And all those who voted for him should have their right to vote revoked.

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:54am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:15am: Abbott and Hockey need to be replaced by the 2 star performers Bishop for pm Morrison for deputy. The sooner the better I think the other way around. Bishop has, to-date, been virtually silent on domestic issues. Her views, through no fault of her own, on such issues aren't all that well known, which is understandable given her job relates to global issues. Morrison has shown himself to be a tough but fair Minister who can cut through the crap to get the job done. If there was a change at the top, I'd also replace Hockey with Turnbull, given his extensive experience in the financial sector. No. What he's shown himself to be is an evil, vicious and megalomaniacal scumbag. He should be in prison for human-rights abuses, not sitting in Parliament. And all those who voted for him should have their right to vote revoked.

They have a bed, a roof over their heads, at least three meals a day, running water, toilets, internet access, phone access, recreational activities, medical care and more. It's not Club Med, but it's hardly a concentration camp either. It's definitely more than the poor souls languishing in refugee camps without the above and who live in fear of attacks by rebel forces daily. Lets not forget that these people were warned not to come or they'd end up in a detention centre. That they came anyway shows a total disregard by them with regard to our wishes and laws. Besides, Morrison is only cleaning up the mess left behind after six years of Labor incompetence and taxpayers are still footing a bill in the billions, whereas under Howard the bill was less than $100m a year. In short, if anyone should have their right to vote revoked, it's you, Kat!

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:54am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:15am: Abbott and Hockey need to be replaced by the 2 star performers Bishop for pm Morrison for deputy. The sooner the better I think the other way around. Bishop has, to-date, been virtually silent on domestic issues. Her views, through no fault of her own, on such issues aren't all that well known, which is understandable given her job relates to global issues. Morrison has shown himself to be a tough but fair Minister who can cut through the crap to get the job done. If there was a change at the top, I'd also replace Hockey with Turnbull, given his extensive experience in the financial sector. No. What he's shown himself to be is an evil, vicious and megalomaniacal scumbag. He should be in prison for human-rights abuses, not sitting in Parliament. And all those who voted for him should have their right to vote revoked.

Now now Kat,  we are talking about perceptions in the electorate. whilst its doubtful you will vote for Scott, your opinion is a slight exaggeration of the mood in the electorate  ;)

wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 6:50am:

Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(

Oh yes,  there wasn't much of a difference between Rudd and Gillard.  both seemed tarnished.

I don't think Morrison and Bishop or as others have said Turnbull are tarnished at all. I think its a total fresh start.

It would be best if it could be bloodless though.
really, tony should do a charity ride for kids with cancer and Peta should T Bone him and put him in hospital with some minor injuries. then he says he has some subtle brain damage ( well , he wont even need to fake that, he already shows signs).
He goes down as a martyr , injured in the line of duty, and he hands over the crown to Julie , who reluctantly accepts it , through sobs and tears, by his hospital bed, with his 2 beautiful daughters sitting on the bed and his wife conveniently photo-shopped out of frame.

that's how i'd do it and you'd win the next election easliy

I don't understand why they make it so difficult. All tony needs to do is come out and say, "Look let's face it, you all agree, I'm fairly terrible at this job. So I'm stepping down."

we will agree, and the Libs will get a poll boost and most likely win the next election. 

UNless of course they put in that scum Morriscum.  There is no secrecy or orange life boats when one is PM.  The satanic scum would be screwed.

Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened.

I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed.

Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters.

There's always going to be people who think they have a better idea, or a better way of doing things. I'd be worried if there wasn't dissent!

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed.

No.  Rudd was just all over the shop and made the terrible mistake of ditching the ETS.
Gillard was hampered by Rudd and by a minority government.
At no point did tony win the election. Rudd lost it.

That's it. How much longer are you going to persist in denying the last election was lost as the result of instability of labor?

And tony isn't a Howard in his fist term. He isn't betting it all on some MAJOR reform.  He's just constantly making dumb political moves.  As much as I loathe Howard, he didn't make dumb political moves.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters. There's always going to be people who think they have a better idea, or a better way of doing things. I'd be worried if there wasn't dissent!

The entire liberal party is dissenting ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters. There's always going to be people who think they have a better idea, or a better way of doing things. I'd be worried if there wasn't dissent!

Armchair, anyone who knows anything about Australian politics knows that backbencher leaks against their own party is a sure sign of almost terminal dissent against their leadership.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters.

yep a few MPs in marginal seats.  If you follow politics at all you will see that EVERY govt that gets behind in the polls has the same problem.  there is a big difference between this and senior cabinet ministers and heavy-weights doing this.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 6:50am: Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(        Oh yes,  there wasn't much of a difference between Rudd and Gillard.  both seemed tarnished. I don't think Morrison and Bishop or as others have said Turnbull are tarnished at all. I think its a total fresh start. It would be best if it could be bloodless though. really, tony should do a charity ride for kids with cancer and Peta should T Bone him and put him in hospital with some minor injuries. then he says he has some subtle brain damage ( well , he wont even need to fake that, he already shows signs). He goes down as a martyr , injured in the line of duty, and he hands over the crown to Julie , who reluctantly accepts it , through sobs and tears, by his hospital bed, with his 2 beautiful daughters sitting on the bed and his wife conveniently photo-shopped out of frame. that's how i'd do it and you'd win the next election easliy

Good idea, dear. I love it.

Stable, predictable, reliable, steady as she goes.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

I don't understand why they make it so difficult. All tony needs to do is come out and say, "Look let's face it, you all agree, I'm fairly terrible at this job. So I'm stepping down." we will agree, and the Libs will get a poll boost and most likely win the next election.  UNless of course they put in that scum Morriscum.  There is no secrecy or orange life boats when one is PM.  The satanic scum would be screwed.

I guess we armchair politician always think we have the answer..

to me it isnt Tony although granted he has gone in too hard and too fast.....but the senate he is dealing with. is not on...sorry I knwo it pleases you lefties...he has a senate so against him.. but to me it highlights that fact they have brought this country to its kn ees.. I dont blame Abbott for this..

I blame the senate..

they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything..

labor would no more have the funding for their give give give policies than the man in the moon....

we are living in very unstable times....and what does the govt get... STOP why BECAUSE they dont like a LIBERAL GOVT.....unbelievable 

we have a very sick undesirable senate...and everyone blames Abbott.. :D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters. yep a few MPs in marginal seats.  If you follow politics at all you will see that EVERY govt that gets behind in the polls has the same problem.  there is a big difference between this and senior cabinet ministers and heavy-weights doing this.

Smokin Hog isn't a heavy weight?

Cods, Abbott has come up with horrible, unworkable, stupid brainfarts instead of considered policy. His Budget is horribly unfair and was executed incredibly incompetently.

In these circumstances the Senate does its job as a House of Review.

The tasks facing us are:
1. Remove the structural Budget deficit put there by Howard and Costello by removing the huge middleclass welfare like the concessionary tax on super that from 2015/16 will cost MORE than all pensions. One or two tax cuts to be rescinded (hell if the Libs just removed the tax cut given by Rudd/Swan they could hit Labor with that and I could not disagree.)

2. Get the economy moving again and those FTAs the idiots signed are the wrong way to go. Manufacturing needs to be encouraged, the real NBN rolled out as fast as possible and NewStart increased by $50 a week and later another $50 a week.

So what the hell is Abbott doing? Hitting those, like pensioners, unemployed, students who have hardly anything at all, he is attacking Medicare a system envied around the world and signing FTAs that destroy manufacturing here.

Howard in 1998 handed down a Budget that was hard but fair and got respect for it. Tony is just a brain damaged idiot who will never get respect, not from the electorate (54:46, Shorten preferred PM, Abbott’s approvals in the toilet) and not from foreign leaders either.

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:24am: I don't understand why they make it so difficult. All tony needs to do is come out and say, "Look let's face it, you all agree, I'm fairly terrible at this job. So I'm stepping down." we will agree, and the Libs will get a poll boost and most likely win the next election.  UNless of course they put in that scum Morriscum.  There is no secrecy or orange life boats when one is PM.  The satanic scum would be screwed. I guess we armchair politician always think we have the answer.. to me it isnt Tony although granted he has gone in too hard and too fast.....but the senate he is dealing with. is not on...sorry I knwo it pleases you lefties...he has a senate so against him.. but to me it highlights that fact they have brought this country to its kn ees.. I dont blame Abbott for this.. I blame the senate.. they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything.. labor would no more have the funding for their give give give policies than the man in the moon.... we are living in very unstable times....and what does the govt get... STOP why BECAUSE they dont like a LIBERAL GOVT.....unbelievable  we have a very sick undesirable senate...and everyone blames Abbott.. :D

The Senate is blocking legislation that they do not support and was not taken to the last election......The Senate is keeping Abbott honest by preventing him from doing what he said he would not do.....Why should the Senate support a lying two faced fraud like Abbott who made so much about honesty and integrity before the last election and then did the complete opposite.....The right are making excuses for Abbott they would never accept from a Labor Government and the electorate is not buying it.....Abbott is a lying scumbag and nothing will change that!!!

:) :) :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

I don't understand why they make it so difficult. All tony needs to do is come out and say, "Look let's face it, you all agree, I'm fairly terrible at this job. So I'm stepping down." we will agree, and the Libs will get a poll boost and most likely win the next election.  UNless of course they put in that scum Morriscum.  There is no secrecy or orange life boats when one is PM.  The satanic scum would be screwed.

That's what Gillard should have done when the voice of the people was a hung parliament dependant on independents to form a government.

I will say it again - the voting public put this lot in purely as a protest against the other lot - THIS lot are very much on probation and need to pull their heads in... as things stand they are headed out the same door feet first...

Of course that leaves the voting public with the cruel dilemna of who they can actually trust to put in....

What the Liberals have in place is hopeless, the suggested changes are frightening.

Joe is a big part of the problem and can not contribute to any solution.

Pyne and Morrison are both much too nasty to be credible as leaders.

Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.      :)    

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed.

Howard had a similar experience and look what happened.


A further decade of poor leadership ? Hardly a recommendation.

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

I dont blame Abbott for this.. I blame the senate.. they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything..

Cods, blaming the Senate is just Liberal party rubbish.

A good leader would acknowledge that the Senate wouldn't allow their more ambitious policies to be put into law. A good leader wouldn't waste the time of the Parliament on futile legislative endeavours.

Howard, Rudd and Gillard all had this in common. If a bill didn't have a chance of passing the Parliament, they usually didn't bother.

Abbott does not. He has put forth several proposals that were blocked in the Senate. He has tried to do too much. Crash through or crash.

If the Senate is blocking too many bills, Abbott has the option of calling a double dissolution election to resolve the deadlock, provided that DD triggers exist of sufficient importance. This isn't the case; therefore the Senate isn't as obstructionist as the Liberals and their rusted-on supporters claim.

If there are DD triggers, Abbott has the option of calling a DD election. He won't, because he is trailing in the polls. He is an incompetent and mendacious Prime Minister who doesn't deserve another chance and the majority of voters know this. He's gone, the clock is ticking. Only time will tell whether it is his own party who knifes him or the voters delivering retribution at the next election.

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:24am: wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 6:50am: Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(        Oh yes,  there wasn't much of a difference between Rudd and Gillard.  both seemed tarnished. I don't think Morrison and Bishop or as others have said Turnbull are tarnished at all. I think its a total fresh start. It would be best if it could be bloodless though. really, tony should do a charity ride for kids with cancer and Peta should T Bone him and put him in hospital with some minor injuries. then he says he has some subtle brain damage ( well , he wont even need to fake that, he already shows signs). He goes down as a martyr , injured in the line of duty, and he hands over the crown to Julie , who reluctantly accepts it , through sobs and tears, by his hospital bed, with his 2 beautiful daughters sitting on the bed and his wife conveniently photo-shopped out of frame. that's how i'd do it and you'd win the next election easliy Good idea, dear. I love it. Stable, predictable, reliable, steady as she goes. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

I thought you'd like it.
Its all theatre for the 15 second media grab.
An instant boost in the polls and everyone comes out smiling.
Tony, with his newly diagnosed mild intellectual impairment due to the crash, can be made minister for disabilities and do promotional rides to inspire the nation

Menzies and gorton both got knifed, Howard should have been knifed but Dollar $weety has no balls. When the Lib party was desperately trying to think of ways of dumping Howard $weety was sleeping in Melbourne!

Abbott will get knifed.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. No.  Rudd was just all over the shop and made the terrible mistake of ditching the ETS. Gillard was hampered by Rudd and by a minority government. At no point did tony win the election. Rudd lost it. That's it. How much longer are you going to persist in denying the last election was lost as the result of instability of labor?

Only as long as it weakens his argument. He's not afraid to point out Labor's issues when it suits him, but as soon as the Liberals are showing themselves to be no better - look at all the leaks - suddenly that argument disappears.

It's going to be interesting to watch what happens to Abbott. His leadership is already holed below the waterline by charting an unsafe passage through rocky seas. The rats are deserting the Abbott ship. His ship is listing to starboard and taking on water. It's time for the Liberals to abandon ship and save what they can.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:20am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:24am: wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 6:50am: Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(        Oh yes,  there wasn't much of a difference between Rudd and Gillard.  both seemed tarnished. I don't think Morrison and Bishop or as others have said Turnbull are tarnished at all. I think its a total fresh start. It would be best if it could be bloodless though. really, tony should do a charity ride for kids with cancer and Peta should T Bone him and put him in hospital with some minor injuries. then he says he has some subtle brain damage ( well , he wont even need to fake that, he already shows signs). He goes down as a martyr , injured in the line of duty, and he hands over the crown to Julie , who reluctantly accepts it , through sobs and tears, by his hospital bed, with his 2 beautiful daughters sitting on the bed and his wife conveniently photo-shopped out of frame. that's how i'd do it and you'd win the next election easliy Good idea, dear. I love it. Stable, predictable, reliable, steady as she goes. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge. I thought you'd like it. Its all theatre for the 15 second media grab. An instant boost in the polls and everyone comes out smiling. Tony, with his newly diagnosed mild intellectual impairment due to the crash, can be made minister for disabilities and do promotional rides to inspire the nation

Good point. Or he could offer himself up as an assassination target for the Muselman.

It would be good for the country.

Sensible, reliable, sacrificial....

The Liberals are stuck with Abbott who will not stand down voluntarily and cannot be dumped because of the noise the Liberal party made when Labor dumped Rudd.....What we are seeing is a reality check from the public who are starting to realise this Government is deceitful and ideologically driven to move to a user pays economy like America where only the wealthy are served well.....The difference in Australia is everyone must vote and the poor outnumber the rich....Abbott is the most hated Prime Minister Australia has ever had and the Liberals are stuck with him until they fall to ruin!!!

:) :) :) 

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:04am: Karnal wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:20am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:24am: wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 6:50am: Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(        Oh yes,  there wasn't much of a difference between Rudd and Gillard.  both seemed tarnished. I don't think Morrison and Bishop or as others have said Turnbull are tarnished at all. I think its a total fresh start. It would be best if it could be bloodless though. really, tony should do a charity ride for kids with cancer and Peta should T Bone him and put him in hospital with some minor injuries. then he says he has some subtle brain damage ( well , he wont even need to fake that, he already shows signs). He goes down as a martyr , injured in the line of duty, and he hands over the crown to Julie , who reluctantly accepts it , through sobs and tears, by his hospital bed, with his 2 beautiful daughters sitting on the bed and his wife conveniently photo-shopped out of frame. that's how i'd do it and you'd win the next election easliy Good idea, dear. I love it. Stable, predictable, reliable, steady as she goes. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge. I thought you'd like it. Its all theatre for the 15 second media grab. An instant boost in the polls and everyone comes out smiling. Tony, with his newly diagnosed mild intellectual impairment due to the crash, can be made minister for disabilities and do promotional rides to inspire the nation Good point. Or he could offer himself up as an assassination target for the Muselman. It would be good for the country. Sensible, reliable, sacrificial....

That would be the dream scenario, especially if he got a fleshwound.  Good thinking Karmal. A massive boost in the polls for that one.
Tony , lying bravely in his hospital bed, flanked by the beautiful daughters , whilst the Cronulla riots rekindle .
You wouldn't even need to have polling booths in western Sydney. No one would nominate to run against the heroic liberal party ;)

the really sad part is that even if Abbott does go, voluntarily or otherwise, the libs haven't got a single candidate who is suitable for the job

Hockey - incompetant
Morrison - he's a walking turd
Bishop - female Morrison although I'd say she's probably even more heartless
Pyne - you must be kidding

maybe they can try Wyatt Roy as PM  :D :D :D :D :D

Quote:

knives are out for Abbott

He is lucky that we have gun laws.

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

the really sad part is that even if Abbott does go, voluntarily or otherwise, the libs haven't got a single candidate who is suitable for the job Hockey - incompetant Morrison - he's a walking turd Bishop - female Morrison although I'd say she's probably even more heartless Pyne - you must be kidding maybe they can try Wyatt Roy as PM

I would rule out those plus Turnbull, I realise that Roy was a joke (I hope) But his involvement in the Slipper set up is enough for me to discount him at this stage as well.

I had hopes for Joe at one time but he has proven to be a dud.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

I had hopes for Joe at one time but he has proven to be a dud.

even i would have considered voting for Joe a few years ago ... now I'm glad i didn't

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

the really sad part is that even if Abbott does go, voluntarily or otherwise, the libs haven't got a single candidate who is suitable for the job Hockey - incompetant Morrison - he's a walking turd Bishop - female Morrison although I'd say she's probably even more heartless Pyne - you must be kidding maybe they can try Wyatt Roy as PM  :D :D :D :D :D

Been waiting for a chance to try this...

Haaaallelujah.. hallelujah.. hallelujah....

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I'll bet that prick Mal Brough is beavering away in the background sharpening and handing out the knives,  He is a Howard disciple, and if I'm right that means hayseed is also white anting Abbott now.  Brough is a lying, plotting and most dangerous of all ~ extremely ambitious politician who got burned by his own when hayseed was turfed.  He had to leave that electorate such was the level of detest for him, and they parachuted him into Fisher where he set about eroding Slipper's support within the local branch.  There is no doubt he was up to his eyeballs in the Slipper/Ashby debacle. He was a Howard Minister, and he will be be hating just being a mere back bencher.  He would have been livid he was left out of promotion in Abbott's recent re-shuffle.  Keep a very close weather eye on him.

Be meddling in Qld too, for an ally to be promoted to Premier.

Really, only Malcolm Turncoat could be considered to replace Tony and that won’t happen.

Libs need someone stable to lessen the bloodbath in 2016.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:13am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:04am: Karnal wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:20am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:24am: wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 6:50am: Will changing the deck chairs on the Titanic make any difference?.   :(        Oh yes,  there wasn't much of a difference between Rudd and Gillard.  both seemed tarnished. I don't think Morrison and Bishop or as others have said Turnbull are tarnished at all. I think its a total fresh start. It would be best if it could be bloodless though. really, tony should do a charity ride for kids with cancer and Peta should T Bone him and put him in hospital with some minor injuries. then he says he has some subtle brain damage ( well , he wont even need to fake that, he already shows signs). He goes down as a martyr , injured in the line of duty, and he hands over the crown to Julie , who reluctantly accepts it , through sobs and tears, by his hospital bed, with his 2 beautiful daughters sitting on the bed and his wife conveniently photo-shopped out of frame. that's how i'd do it and you'd win the next election easliy Good idea, dear. I love it. Stable, predictable, reliable, steady as she goes. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge. I thought you'd like it. Its all theatre for the 15 second media grab. An instant boost in the polls and everyone comes out smiling. Tony, with his newly diagnosed mild intellectual impairment due to the crash, can be made minister for disabilities and do promotional rides to inspire the nation Good point. Or he could offer himself up as an assassination target for the Muselman. It would be good for the country. Sensible, reliable, sacrificial.... That would be the dream scenario, especially if he got a fleshwound.  Good thinking Karmal. A massive boost in the polls for that one. Tony , lying bravely in his hospital bed, flanked by the beautiful daughters , whilst the Cronulla riots rekindle . You wouldn't even need to have polling booths in western Sydney. No one would nominate to run against the heroic liberal party ;)

A fleshwound? Good heavens, he needs to take one for the team. A state funeral, a national day of mourning, his loving wife and daughters in all the women's magazines, in tasteful black.

Mr Abbott's reputation would be renewed.

Then we could get started with the Cronulla riots and take back our country.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

So it seems even armchair can see Abbotts leadership is terminal, only cods and longy believe it's all everyone else's fault, typical.
I can not recall either of them blaming the senate when Labor were in government.

Crazed lone assassin?

Aali Havi Osama.... the grassy knoll.... school book repository.... the Dealey Lama catches it on his phone camera....

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

the really sad part is that even if Abbott does go, voluntarily or otherwise, the libs haven't got a single candidate who is suitable for the job Hockey - incompetant Morrison - he's a walking turd Bishop - female Morrison although I'd say she's probably even more heartless Pyne - you must be kidding maybe they can try Wyatt Roy as PM  :D :D :D :D :D

Turnbull would be a good candidate. His problem is that his only chance of getting the job would be if he was unopposed. The Liberals are infested with too many far-right dries to give a centrist like Turnbull a decent showing in a leadership ballot.

turnbul as PM would be interesting

for years now longie, armpit and all the other fanatics on here have been telling us how Turnbull was a leftie and would never make a good Pm ... I'd love to see how they would try to spin it if he became PM  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:54am:

cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:21am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:24am: I don't understand why they make it so difficult. All tony needs to do is come out and say, "Look let's face it, you all agree, I'm fairly terrible at this job. So I'm stepping down." we will agree, and the Libs will get a poll boost and most likely win the next election.  UNless of course they put in that scum Morriscum.  There is no secrecy or orange life boats when one is PM.  The satanic scum would be screwed. I guess we armchair politician always think we have the answer.. to me it isnt Tony although granted he has gone in too hard and too fast.....but the senate he is dealing with. is not on...sorry I knwo it pleases you lefties...he has a senate so against him.. but to me it highlights that fact they have brought this country to its kn ees.. I dont blame Abbott for this.. I blame the senate.. they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything.. labor would no more have the funding for their give give give policies than the man in the moon.... we are living in very unstable times....and what does the govt get... STOP why BECAUSE they dont like a LIBERAL GOVT.....unbelievable  we have a very sick undesirable senate...and everyone blames Abbott.. :D The Senate is blocking legislation that they do not support and was not taken to the last election......The Senate is keeping Abbott honest by preventing him from doing what he said he would not do.....Why should the Senate support a lying two faced fraud like Abbott who made so much about honesty and integrity before the last election and then did the complete opposite.....The right are making excuses for Abbott they would never accept from a Labor Government and the electorate is not buying it.....Abbott is a lying scumbag and nothing will change that!!! :) :) :)

if you want that as a hard and fast principle then where do we go?  Surely that would mean that same senate is duty-bound to SUPPORT govt election promises.  You cant have it both ways.  the senate either supports govt promises or it rejects them.  If you pick and choose then it simply becomes partisan politics and the high moral ground is ejected.

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax.

Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old.

Go Figure who pays the piper??

Imploded in 18 months - I thought between 12-24 based on his personality type.

It's not really a surprise though - he has backflipped on a number of policies and broken a number of promises - basically what he promised not to do before the election.

The LNP have been trailing in most of the polls and his rating is awful.

When will it happen?
Will he step down for health reasons?
Who will replace him?
Will they be able to rescue the LNP?
What will change if they do replace leaders?

The senates job is not to rubber stamp policies, it is normal for them to not pass policies their constituents do not support.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

Menzies and gorton both got knifed, Howard should have been knifed but Dollar $weety has no balls. When the Lib party was desperately trying to think of ways of dumping Howard $weety was sleeping in Melbourne! Abbott will get knifed.

both QUIT... not knifed.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper??

if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches.

so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:48am: Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper?? if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches. so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us.

I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review.

Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't.

If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD.

Is higher education reform important enough to risk power?
What about co payments?
Or perhaps cutting welfare?
We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard"

Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

Yes - say what you'll do and do what you'll say. Mr Abbott invited us all to vote him out if he doesn't honour his word on his erection promises.

Now that's honesty.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:10am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:48am: Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper?? if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches. so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us. I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review. Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't. If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD. Is higher education reform important enough to risk power? What about co payments? Or perhaps cutting welfare? We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard" Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

You truly believe the current senate or the one before it was an 'independent house of review'????  surely you re trying a karnel-style failed joke, right?  on what planet is the senate even remotely INDEPENDENT????  it hasn't effectively been so since the demise of the democrats and even then it was only occasionally so.

Id be happy to have a proper house of review.  but is not such a thing nor has it been for some time.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:10am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:48am: Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper?? if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches. so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us. I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review. Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't. If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD. Is higher education reform important enough to risk power? What about co payments? Or perhaps cutting welfare? We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard" Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

now you are just being intentionally stupid!

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:17am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:10am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:48am: Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper?? if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches. so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us. I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review. Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't. If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD. Is higher education reform important enough to risk power? What about co payments? Or perhaps cutting welfare? We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard" Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word? now you are just being intentionally stupid!

What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:58am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:44am: Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott.  I suggest you lot are doing the same.  First years for new govts are always rocky.  Howard had a similar experience and look what happened. I would suggest this is all very premature.  It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs.  In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed. Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters. There's always going to be people who think they have a better idea, or a better way of doing things. I'd be worried if there wasn't dissent! Armchair, anyone who knows anything about Australian politics knows that backbencher leaks against their own party is a sure sign of almost terminal dissent against their leadership.

What does that say of frontbench leaks under Labor during their six years of fratricide?

Bam wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:21am: I dont blame Abbott for this.. I blame the senate.. they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything.. Cods, blaming the Senate is just Liberal party rubbish. A good leader would acknowledge that the Senate wouldn't allow their more ambitious policies to be put into law. A good leader wouldn't waste the time of the Parliament on futile legislative endeavours. Howard, Rudd and Gillard all had this in common. If a bill didn't have a chance of passing the Parliament, they usually didn't bother. Abbott does not. He has put forth several proposals that were blocked in the Senate. He has tried to do too much. Crash through or crash. If the Senate is blocking too many bills, Abbott has the option of calling a double dissolution election to resolve the deadlock, provided that DD triggers exist of sufficient importance. This isn't the case; therefore the Senate isn't as obstructionist as the Liberals and their rusted-on supporters claim. If there are DD triggers, Abbott has the option of calling a DD election. He won't, because he is trailing in the polls. He is an incompetent and mendacious Prime Minister who doesn't deserve another chance and the majority of voters know this. He's gone, the clock is ticking. Only time will tell whether it is his own party who knifes him or the voters delivering retribution at the next election.

Blaming the senate, which includes ALP senators blocking savings measures they themselves advocated prior to the election, is definitely NOT rubbish. Especially when you have the likes of Lambie, who has vowed to block all legislation over one issue that affects very few Australians and PUP, which is disintegrating by the minute under the leadership of an egotistical nutjob who didn't even attend his party's campaign launch in QLD and another senator who was elected with around 0.5% of the vote!

Oh come on, destroying Medicare, throwing young unemployed off poverty–level NewStart for 6 months in every year, none of this mentioned in the election campaign and you blame the SENATE?

Blame Abbott is more like it! THAT is why the knives are out for Abbott! If Newman loses the Qld election Abbott will not survive February as PM and nor should he!

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:17am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:10am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:48am: Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper?? if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches. so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us. I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review. Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't. If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD. Is higher education reform important enough to risk power? What about co payments? Or perhaps cutting welfare? We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard" Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word? now you are just being intentionally stupid!

No, plenty of contentious policy has passed through the Australian Senate.

Or to be more specific plenty of UNPOPULAR policy has passed through the Australian Senate.

Probably the most unpopular & contentious was from the bloke you are talking about with others i.e GST

Then of course there's Qantas,Combank,Telstra sales & a mirriade of other policies unpopular but argued & negotiated well that have passed by governments of both flavours.

Face it if you think Gillard was incompetent, you must cry yourself to sleep out of frustration & embarrassment with those that you have to support here daily.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:49am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:17am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:10am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:48am: Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper?? if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead.  But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches. so what is your preferred senate ethics?  Please enlighten us. I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review. Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't. If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD. Is higher education reform important enough to risk power? What about co payments? Or perhaps cutting welfare? We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard" Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word? now you are just being intentionally stupid! No, plenty of contentious policy has passed through the Australian Senate. Or to be more specific plenty of UNPOPULAR policy has passed through the Australian Senate. Probably the most unpopular & contentious was from the bloke you are talking about with others i.e GST Then of course there's Qantas,Combank,Telstra sales & a mirriade of other policies unpopular but argued & negotiated well that have passed by governments of both flavours. Face it if you think Gillard was incompetent, you must cry yourself to sleep out of frustration & embarrassment with those that you have to support here daily.

and every single one of those contentious issues was put thru a senate with the Democrats controlling the balance of power.  this was a party that actually sought to make governments fulfil their promises (until they changed and were subsequently thrown out) and with negotiation and compromise allowed govts to actually govern.  That is nothing like the current situation where labor votes agains most things, Greens vote against everything (not a new thing I grant) and the independents control things.  except since when did PUP vote on the basis of good or bad?  No one even knows how they think or even if they do or just vote as the Fat Buffoon orders them to.

I support an actual independent house of review but we've never really had one.  When was the last time you heard of a senate voting for a measure that is opposed to THEIR policies but that they think is mandated by voters or a good idea?  WorkChoices... thrown out using Liberal senate votes.  other than that.... NOTHING.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

(until they changed and were subsequently thrown out)

Meg passing the GST sealed there fate, although she thought she negotiated a fair deal Mr & Mrs average did not.

Yes I think the Democrats are sorely missed by both parties, then again they only have themselves to blame for the rise of fringe dwellers like PUP.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:37pm: (until they changed and were subsequently thrown out) Meg passing the GST sealed there fate, although she thought she negotiated a fair deal Mr & Mrs average did not. Yes I think the Democrats are sorely missed by both parties, then again they only have themselves to blame for the rise of fringe dwellers like PUP.

and there is the flaw in your argument.  What the democrats ended up doing was fair and reasonable.  Rather than simply oppose a policy promised in and election that was won, they negotiated and delivered what they and others think was an improved result.  can you image what would happen now? Do you think there is any chance the Greens would negotiate?  they vote on their own platform, no matter what. Labor opposes virtually everything.

so yes, there I a desperate need for a party that returns us to the 'keep the bastards honest' state whereby an incumbent govt will never get its own unimpeded way but has a chance to negotiate at all times. 

wanna start a 'keep em honest' party?  The easist thing is that you don't need any policies other than a promise to make sure legislation is better and that govts keep their word.  That way you don't have to be hindered by voting on your own policy lines and allows voters the chance to get their wish expressed in legislation but act as a brake against abuse of power.

Natasha Spot-remover ruined a once great party by taking it to the left and trying to be a party in its own right.  Now I get to drive past the Democrats former head office in Adelaide which is now demolished and remains an unwanted empty block.  A better metaphor for the Democrats could not be found.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

What the democrats ended up doing was fair and reasonable

it is not fair and reasonable to do the opposite after an election of what you said before the election ... thats why the democrats are history. They promised to NEVER support the GST and they did.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:36pm: What the democrats ended up doing was fair and reasonable it is not fair and reasonable to do the opposite after an election of what you said before the election ... thats why the democrats are history. They promised to NEVER support the GST and they did.

The original promise of the GST was to keep the bastards honest ie to ensure govts held to their promises.  when they abandoned that they disappeared very quickly.

Bam wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:55am: What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g

Yes, sounds like Longie is slowy getting some sense back. He is admitting Tony is incompetent in another thread too!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:07pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:55am: What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g Yes, sounds like Longie is slowy getting some sense back. He is admitting Tony is incompetent in another thread too!

even a simpleton should realise that 'good' is a subjective term, not that there is any chance you will understand the true meaning of any of those words since LIE escapes you.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:32pm: Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:07pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:55am: What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g Yes, sounds like Longie is slowy getting some sense back. He is admitting Tony is incompetent in another thread too! even a simpleton should realise that 'good' is a subjective term, not that there is any chance you will understand the true meaning of any of those words since LIE escapes you.

so alll you have to offer is some blabber but no actual example of what YOU THINK is a good policy? ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:54pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:36pm: What the democrats ended up doing was fair and reasonable it is not fair and reasonable to do the opposite after an election of what you said before the election ... thats why the democrats are history. They promised to NEVER support the GST and they did. The original promise of the GST was to keep the bastards honest ie to ensure govts held to their promises.  when they abandoned that they disappeared very quickly.

soo you acknowledge that they failed to keep Howard Honest?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

“Honest John” was said in the same way as Brandis said “Lying Rhodent.” Nobody could keep “Honest John” honest  :D :D

Okay everyone.  Relax.  An oracle has spoken!


Quote:

Ignore all the calls for a change in Leadership of the Coalition. Won't happen, unless they take a vote in the Party Room which is most unlikely.

Who'd a thunk that, wot?  Bloody amazing stuff!

Aussie wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

Okay everyone.  Relax.  An oracle has spoken! Quote: Ignore all the calls for a change in Leadership of the Coalition. Won't happen, unless they take a vote in the Party Room which is most unlikely. Who'd a thunk that, wot?  Bloody amazing stuff!

you collection low-watt bulbs have been predicting a leadership spill against Abbott for 5 years+ now.  Don't you ever get sick of being wrong?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Okay everyone.  Relax.  An oracle has spoken! Quote: Ignore all the calls for a change in Leadership of the Coalition. Won't happen, unless they take a vote in the Party Room which is most unlikely. Who'd a thunk that, wot?  Bloody amazing stuff! you collection low-watt bulbs have been predicting a leadership spill against Abbott for 5 years+ now.  Don't you ever get sick of being wrong?

Not me.

Not me either, as LOTO he had strong polls running his way.

Now the polls are running against him. People have seen the lies, the incompetent handling of the Budget, policy by brainfart and Lib hardheads must be thinking of minimising the blood loss in 2016. I have also said they are between a rock and a hard place and may dither forever about replacing monkey with a Homo sapiens.

The logical thing would have been to dump Abbott last month but they squibbed it.

There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part.

How sad.

Aussie wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:43pm: There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part. How sad.

and yet you live your life in an insane hatred of Newmann, just as Palmer does.  And look where it has left you both?  Palmer has forked out $50B in his own funds and stolen funds to buy up three senators which are now two and even Ricky Muir has abandoned PUP.  PUP is about to be BURIED in the state election.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:43pm: There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part. How sad. and yet you live your life in an insane hatred of Newmann, just as Palmer does.  And look where it has left you both?  Palmer has forked out $50B in his own funds and stolen funds to buy up three senators which are now two and even Ricky Muir has abandoned PUP.  PUP is about to be BURIED in the state election.

*for keeping*

Aussie wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:43pm: There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part. How sad. and yet you live your life in an insane hatred of Newmann, just as Palmer does.  And look where it has left you both?  Palmer has forked out $50B in his own funds and stolen funds to buy up three senators which are now two and even Ricky Muir has abandoned PUP.  PUP is about to be BURIED in the state election. *for keeping*

you think PUP will win seats in this election????

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:43pm: There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part. How sad. and yet you live your life in an insane hatred of Newmann, just as Palmer does.  And look where it has left you both?  Palmer has forked out $50B in his own funds and stolen funds to buy up three senators which are now two and even Ricky Muir has abandoned PUP.  PUP is about to be BURIED in the state election. *for keeping* you think PUP will win seats in this election????

If $50Billion is not enough to buy the entire election and outcome, I dunno what amount would.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:32pm: Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:07pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 11:55am: What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g Yes, sounds like Longie is slowy getting some sense back. He is admitting Tony is incompetent in another thread too! even a simpleton should realise that 'good' is a subjective term, not that there is any chance you will understand the true meaning of any of those words since LIE escapes you.

And longy raises the white flag.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part.

Why hatred Andrei? Is that the old right wing projection you have going on there? I'm quite happy to hold him in disdain.

Dear Andrei,

Pig Sars.. the ONLY alcoholic sarsparilla....

http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/08/AbbottCarcass.jpg

Could be the response of the AMA...

**mounts the soapbox:-

My opposition to the current jihad against the medical system is in no way indicative of my view of the medical profession - with a few exceptions.

When any doctor supersedes his/her Hippocratic Oath, by placing public patients in a long queue in order to reap filthy lucre, thus risking their lives in some cases - he/she is not worth his/her money, and I am left to ponder how and why such a person was ever allowed into the medical profession.

Just proves my ongoing theme that they put the wrong people through this course....  changes are overdue in selection and training and ethical training particularly.

When the Schmedia are openly talking about Abbott having leadership issues.................that is it.

Fortnight, anyone?

Aussie wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:42pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:43pm: There are several people on here with a completely irrational, deep held hatred of Tony Abbott which I find sad on their part. How sad. and yet you live your life in an insane hatred of Newmann, just as Palmer does.  And look where it has left you both?  Palmer has forked out $50B in his own funds and stolen funds to buy up three senators which are now two and even Ricky Muir has abandoned PUP.  PUP is about to be BURIED in the state election. *for keeping* you think PUP will win seats in this election???? If $50Billion is not enough to buy the entire election and outcome, I dunno what amount would.

That’s just Longy’s maths. If Longy can turn 0.2 degrees into 0.02 degrees, or an 0.8 degrees rise in 18 years into NO RISE AT ALL, or an employee pension fund into a national SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND,  or...

Let’s just leave it at that. If the idiots won’t listen, that’s their problem.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:54pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:36pm: What the democrats ended up doing was fair and reasonable it is not fair and reasonable to do the opposite after an election of what you said before the election ... thats why the democrats are history. They promised to NEVER support the GST and they did. The original promise of the GST was to keep the bastards honest ie to ensure govts held to their promises.  when they abandoned that they disappeared very quickly.

no, her promise was to never approve GST whilst it applied to ANY food, amongst other things. she reneged and is history.

I'm hoping the coalition are dumb enough to keep hold of Abbott so far they are proving just that.
I don't think they'll " blink" until next  year, and by then it will be all over red rover.