The stand-off has been ended, and now we must ask ourselves if the actions by these people are the actions of people we want to take in to our country. Personally, I think anyone who behaved aggressively and/or threateningly should be on the first flight back to wherever they came from. The others should be assessed on a case-by-case basis based upon their actions during and leading up to the stand-off. We don't want people here who cannot accept the rule of law, it's as simple as that. There's enough law breakers here already without adding to them. One only needs to look at the ALP and Unions for proof of that!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/manus-island-protest-asylum-seekers-forcibly-removed-from-delta-compound/story-fni0xqrc-1227189992458

Poll.

Speaking of the RAC, why aren't they out there doing some good where it's really needed - at refugee camps handing out water bottles and blankets in camps that have no running water, no internet access, no TV's and no security to keep them safe?

Maybe, just maybe if they were given some freaking water to drink, and treated like the human beings they are, they wouldn't riot.

Just a thought.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Maybe, just maybe if they were given some freaking water to drink, and treated like the human beings they are, they wouldn't riot. Just a thought.

They had drinking water UNTIL they started rioting. They ignored our governments' warnings (as weak as they were under Labor with Bowen in charge) not to use people smugglers in their attempts to come here. If they want to be treated as human beings, they ought to behave like human beings and could start by respecting our laws and decisions.

You really will go to any lengths to attempt to justify the unjustifiable, won't you?

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:51am:

You really will go to any lengths to attempt to justify the unjustifiable, won't you?

Why would I want to defend Labor's position? You said it yourself - it's unjustifiable!

Another tribe of Monis's no thanks.

Who have they harmed so far with all this 'dangerous' behaviour cited by Julie Bishop -The Asbestos Queen?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Who have they harmed so far with all this 'dangerous' behaviour cited by Julie Bishop -The Asbestos Queen?

Political fanatics that mutilate themselves aren't going to have much regard for others?  Rioting because they can't get what they want is not far away from taking hostages in a cafe IMO.

Swagman wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:13am:

Political fanatics that mutilate themselves aren't going to have much regard for others?

Heartless people obviously.

Just not in the way you are insinuating

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-18/asylum-seekers-offer-organs-to-australians-manus-island-letter/6023954

Stratos wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:13am: Political fanatics that mutilate themselves aren't going to have much regard for others? Heartless people obviously. Just not in the way you are insinuating http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-18/asylum-seekers-offer-organs-to-australians-manus-island-letter/6023954

S T U N T .   Kind of takes away that 'fleeing from grave danger' part of being an asylum seeker too.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:45am:

The stand-off has been ended, and now we must ask ourselves if the actions by these people are the actions of people we want to take in to our country. Personally, I think anyone who behaved aggressively and/or threateningly should be on the first flight back to wherever they came from. The others should be assessed on a case-by-case basis based upon their actions during and leading up to the stand-off. We don't want people here who cannot accept the rule of law, it's as simple as that. There's enough law breakers here already without adding to them. One only needs to look at the ALP and Unions for proof of that! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/manus-island-protest-asylum-seekers-forcibly-removed-from-delta-compound/story-fni0xqrc-1227189992458

If you were detained in a concentration camp indefinitely with no idea what is to happen to you and your  family except that the only way you can get out is to live outside the camp surrounded by murderously hating locals just WTF would YOU do, Armpit?

You have your question arse backwards—you should be asking if the concentration camps we run mean we are not fit to be part of the human race.

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:45am: The stand-off has been ended, and now we must ask ourselves if the actions by these people are the actions of people we want to take in to our country. Personally, I think anyone who behaved aggressively and/or threateningly should be on the first flight back to wherever they came from. The others should be assessed on a case-by-case basis based upon their actions during and leading up to the stand-off. We don't want people here who cannot accept the rule of law, it's as simple as that. There's enough law breakers here already without adding to them. One only needs to look at the ALP and Unions for proof of that! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/manus-island-protest-asylum-seekers-forcibly-removed-from-delta-compound/story-fni0xqrc-1227189992458 If you were detained in a concentration camp indefinitely with no idea what is to happen to you and your  family except that the only way you can get out is to live outside the camp surrounded by murderously hating locals just WTF would YOU do, Armpit? You have your question arse backwards—you should be asking if the concentration camps we run mean we are not fit to be part of the human race.

A concentration camp??? ::) Do you read your posts before submitting such delusional garbage? Obviously not, or else you'd realise that these detention centres are far from being concentration camps, as has been previously proven to you. I won't list the luxuries that the detainees are afforded compared to REAL refugees in some disease-infested UN refugee camp in danger of being attacked in some African nation, because such logic and common sense is only wasted on halfwits such as yourself. Lastly, none of these people were forced into those detention centres. They didn't have to come after paying people smugglers thousands of dollars to try to circumvent Australian law. They only have themselves to blame, along with Kevin Rudd for inviting them in 2008 when he dismantled the Pacific Solution.

Concentration camps they are. Because of OUR Dept Immigration.

Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place.
Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Concentration camps they are. Because of OUR Dept Immigration.

Can't be - there are no fat front bottoms in concentration camps.

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

hear hear.  You lock away people who've done nothing wrong, for an indefinite amount of time, and you expect them to remain calm and happy?

I'd love to lock away Armpit. He'd last 2 minutes.

Now real estate is a profession renowned for compassion.
;D ;D ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

You lock away people who've done nothing wrong, for an indefinite amount of time, and you expect them to remain calm and happy?

How do you know they have done nothing wrong?, they could be mass murderers for all you know, promising to be a life long ALP supporter isn't proof of a persons innocence, if anything that should raise suspicions even more.

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

It's a dog of a life.....

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/surf-dog.jpg

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Now real estate is a profession renowned for compassion. ;D ;D ;D

lots of things you have no idea about, this is just another of them

http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wkef_vid_24336.shtml

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place. Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre.

Stupidest comment I've read all day.

And total crap.

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:32pm: Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place. Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre. Stupidest comment I've read all day. And total crap.

what do you expect from IB? his form has been dropping every since he realised Abbott is in trouble .... hillarious to watch

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:45pm: You lock away people who've done nothing wrong, for an indefinite amount of time, and you expect them to remain calm and happy? How do you know they have done nothing wrong?, they could be mass murderers for all you know, promising to be a life long ALP supporter isn't proof of a persons innocence, if anything that should raise suspicions even more.

I hope you didn't say "je Suis Charlie"

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:32pm: Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place. Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre. Stupidest comment I've read all day. And total crap.

Yeah, they would be Green voters for sure..... :D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up hear hear.  You lock away people who've done nothing wrong, for an indefinite amount of time, and you expect them to remain calm and happy? I'd love to lock away Armpit. He'd last 2 minutes.

They did do something wrong - they tried to enter Australia without permission after being warned not to. By the way, that's still one minute and 55 seconds longer than you'd last.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 5:39am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:45pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up hear hear.  You lock away people who've done nothing wrong, for an indefinite amount of time, and you expect them to remain calm and happy? I'd love to lock away Armpit. He'd last 2 minutes. They did do something wrong - they tried to enter Australia without permission after being warned not to. By the way, that's still one minute and 55 seconds longer than you'd last.

to call you stupid just doesn't do it justice 

Kat wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:32pm: Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place. Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre. Stupidest comment I've read all day. And total crap.

There's "most stupid" or "dumbest", but there's no such word as "stupidest". Lets make it a new word and we'll define it as "Anything and everything said by Kat."...

Push people past their breaking point and then complain because you get the response that was obvious.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:24am:

Kat wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:49pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:32pm: Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place. Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre. Stupidest comment I've read all day. And total crap. There's "most stupid" or "dumbest", but there's no such word as "stupidest". Lets make it a new word and we'll define it as "Anything and everything said by Kat."...

stu-pid   

[stoo-pid, styoo‐   

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adjective, stupider, stupidest. 

1.
lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
2.
characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless:

;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:13am:

to call you stupid just doesn't do it justice

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Maybe, just maybe if they were given some freaking water to drink, and treated like the human beings they are, they wouldn't riot. Just a thought.

plenty of water, always was. if there wasnt they would be carting dead bodies out of there all day long. The with holding of water story was a fabrication by the human rights mob and a stupid one at best. Dont drink water and you die , mostly within 24 hours in hot conditions. These people are patently still all alive. Strange how most of these detainees refused to join the rioters, maybe they dont perceive their own conditions to be so bad. and read what started this, the fact they were told they would not be re settled in Australia despite knowing they are safe and sound from their alleged persecution in their home countries, simple security and peace for themselves and their families does not appear to be at the top of their list.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:24am:

Kat wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:49pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:32pm: Almost every single one of them would be a life long centrelink recipient/ALP voter, thats why Gillard and Rudd got the boats going again in the first place. Safe seats are far more important to the ALP than the occasional coffee shop massacre. Stupidest comment I've read all day. And total crap. There's "most stupid" or "dumbest", but there's no such word as "stupidest". Lets make it a new word and we'll define it as "Anything and everything said by Kat."...

there's no such word as "stupidest".

I thought it was a word recently created to help to classify the Liberal government.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Maybe, just maybe if they were given some freaking water to drink, and treated like the human beings they are, they wouldn't riot. Just a thought.

Woah!

Back up the bus.

"treated like human beings"?

These people are tinted foreigners.  You do realise that, don't you?

they are treated humanely just like everyone else in detention. Complaints of ill treatment are going nowhere for good reason, time to get off this bus greggary and pansi, its going nowhere.

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:38am:

they are treated humanely just like everyone else in detention. Complaints of ill treatment are going nowhere for good reason, time to get off this bus greggary and pansi, its going nowhere.

Even IF that was true, and it isn’t, you are locked up in a tropical hellhole not because you have committed a crime but because Australians are racists and xenophobes, insecure little people. You don’t know when you will be released either.

Concentration camps are not holiday camps!

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

Not happy with Rudd's policy then?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Concentration camps they are. Because of OUR Dept Immigration.

Great policy from Rudd isn't it....

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then?

No, not at all.

Are you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? No, not at all. Are you?

Only good thing he did.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? No, not at all. Are you? Only good thing he did.

Why do you think it's a good thing?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:59am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? No, not at all. Are you? Only good thing he did. Why do you think it's a good thing?

The less uninvited illegals, browns, blacks and muslims entering Australia the better.... ;)

Why do you think it isn't?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:43am:

ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:38am: they are treated humanely just like everyone else in detention. Complaints of ill treatment are going nowhere for good reason, time to get off this bus greggary and pansi, its going nowhere. Even IF that was true, and it isn’t, you are locked up in a tropical hellhole not because you have committed a crime but because Australians are racists and xenophobes, insecure little people. You don’t know when you will be released either. Concentration camps are not holiday camps!

They are detention centres George, this is where the hysteria of the pro refugee brigade reaches epidemic proportions, these people are treated quite humanely. And they need to be locked up while their claims are processed, calling for un processed asylum seekers to be held in the community is stupid, very very stupid. we literally have no idea who these people are until they are processed and their identities verified. Not only that , if they produced their ID documents instead of destroying them the process will be much shorter for them. So if they a re indeed in a tropical hell hole (much like Bali im told), then its a hell hole of their own choosing.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:59am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? No, not at all. Are you? Only good thing he did. Why do you think it's a good thing? The less uninvited illegals, browns, blacks and muslims entering Australia the better.... ;) Why do you think it isn't?

I agree: I don't want illegals in the country.

Asylum seekers aren't illegals though.

Moreover, the colour of an asylum seekers' skin, or their religion, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

So, why are you against the humane treatment of asylum seekers?

I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees?

Re Armchair:

Go and live with the detainees and get locked up for say 3 weeks.  And then come back to make your mind up.   It is all SO easy for you to make up a poll based on the suffering of other people.  Will your actions go no lower? 

They come here illegally.
Are given food, shelter, health care gratis.

Now riot and go on hunger strikes for some reason.

Chuck them back to whence they came.

the rioters themselves say it is about re settlement issues. The detention centres need to be somewhere.

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am:

Re Armchair: Go and live with the detainees and get locked up for say 3 weeks.  And then come back to make your mind up.   It is all SO easy for you to make up a poll based on the suffering of other people.  Will your actions go no lower?

sociopath: "a person ... who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience."

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Straw man
A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:59am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? No, not at all. Are you? Only good thing he did. Why do you think it's a good thing? The less uninvited illegals, browns, blacks and muslims entering Australia the better.... ;) Why do you think it isn't? I agree: I don't want illegals in the country. Asylum seekers aren't illegals though. Moreover, the colour of an asylum seekers' skin, or their religion, doesn't bother me in the slightest. So, why are you against the humane treatment of asylum seekers?

Yes, I just put the illegal bit in for you and the UN, who think they are illegal entrants. The verdict is in don’t you know!!

Yes, we need to crack down on illegal visa over staying for sure.

I don’t care if it bothers you.

If it’s good enough for Kevin O’Lemon and the ALP, then it’s good enough for me.

The UN convention on refugees is out dated document that needs to be rescinded.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

Quote:

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

Which they did. 
They are asylum seekers. 

re


Quote:

I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees?

Because of what happened to other refugees in PNG. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am:

re Quote: I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees? Because of what happened to other refugees in PNG.

what happened?

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am:

re Quote: I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees? Because of what happened to other refugees in PNG.

When in your little mind  ;) :P :P :P :P

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:47am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum. incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

Ok whatever....

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:47am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum. incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal. 

Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out.

re teddy / Ian

1) Wasnt there another riot earlier last year, that killed one Iranian asylum seeker and injured 77 others? 
2) Many people there had been in detention for a long time.  And even if they are found to be genuine refugees, there is no certainty when detention would end.    As even though, Australia believe that all refugees there will be resettled in PNG, the PNG government does not agree. 
3) Such condition would creat and aggrevate mental health illness, further desperation. 

And when everything bubbles over, riot / hunger strike will happen.  This is not rocket science.  Basically, these people are there without any hope. 

Teddy, put yourself in to the same situation,  what would you have done?

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:10am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:59am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? No, not at all. Are you? Only good thing he did. Why do you think it's a good thing? The less uninvited illegals, browns, blacks and muslims entering Australia the better.... ;) Why do you think it isn't? I agree: I don't want illegals in the country. Asylum seekers aren't illegals though. Moreover, the colour of an asylum seekers' skin, or their religion, doesn't bother me in the slightest. So, why are you against the humane treatment of asylum seekers? Yes, I just put the illegal bit in for you and the UN, who think they are illegal entrants. The verdict is in don’t you know!!

The UN doesn't make legislation (i.e. laws).

They aren't doing anything illegal (i.e. contrary to or forbidden by law).

Simple.

"Ellen Hansen from the Canberra office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees told ABC Fact Check that:

"the term 'illegal' is not one that UNHCR uses or encourages the use of in relation to refugees or asylum-seekers arriving without a visa"."

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then?

no, and I said so plenty of times.

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:43pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? no, and I said so plenty of times.

X2

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:43am:

ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:47am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum. incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally. do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal.  Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out.

incorrect. The australian government says  is illegal, the entire legal system says it is illegal. I think it is you with the mental health issues.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

no it's not ... as long as they are making their way to an entry point or person of authority from whom they can claim asylum nothing they are doing is illegal

Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.

where is that boges?

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 11:43am: ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:47am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum. incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally. do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal.  Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out. incorrect. ... the entire legal system says it is illegal.

No, it doesn't at all.  You've been misinformed.

The Protocol Against the Smuggling of Migrants uses the term 'illegal', as does the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.

However, a protocol in itself does not actually make anything illegal.

That's determined by our legislation (i.e. Acts), and people entering Australia without a visa are not referred to as 'illegal' in Australia's Migration Act.

Asylim seekers have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

Simple.

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:59pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:52pm: Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome. where is that boges?

Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:59pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:52pm: Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome. where is that boges? Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in.

so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted?  way to go Andrei ...

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:33pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:59pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:52pm: Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome. where is that boges? Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in. so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted?  way to go Andrei ...

"Allegedly" persecuted.

Sri Lanka (an ally of Australia) believes them to be economic migrants.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:59pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:52pm: Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome. where is that boges? Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in. so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted?  way to go Andrei ... "Allegedly" persecuted. Sri Lanka (an ally of Australia) believes them to be economic migrants.

just as saddam used to claim he never killed any kurds  :D :D :D

And moreover, since the end of the Tamil rebellion, the lawful govt of Sri Lanka (a new one btw) has given assurances there will be no persecution.

As for the rest, the Iranians, Iraquis, Afghans and what have you, are we to admit these very possible sources of future malcontent and subversion to our shores in ever-increasing numbers? Which as we have seen - have you forgotten already? - will rapidly become the case as soon as we buckle to their pressure.
Let them enjoy the pestilences of PNG or travel back the way they came.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:33pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 1:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:59pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 12:52pm: Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome. where is that boges? Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in. so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted?  way to go Andrei ... "Allegedly" persecuted. Sri Lanka (an ally of Australia) believes them to be economic migrants.

Australia: "Hey, Sri Lanka - are you persecuting some of your own citizens?"

Sri Lanka: "No way, we'd never do that."

Australia: "OK, Cool".

::)

John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer.

they'd have more chance than you would .... 

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....

But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/

not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ...

the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/subjects/payments-for-job-seekers

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D

Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:20pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed.

Why would asylum seekers need private rental accommodation?

Aren't they all given free houses from the Government?

That's what the rightards keep telling us.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/subjects/payments-for-job-seekers

Leave that little aboriginal kid on the website alone greggorry. Aboriginals can't help it if they over represented in welfare stats. They had their land taken of them for Christ sake!!!

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:20pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed.

really? you can't afford to rent my properties Rocket, thats why your so against refugees, ... you just hate the fact that in a few years they'll be outperforming you and will be able to afford my properties. ... Pure Jealousy

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654785a.jpg

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:27pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:23pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:20pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed. really? you can't afford to rent my properties Rocket, thats why your so against refugees, ... you just hate the fact that in a few years they'll be outperforming you and will be able to afford my properties. ... Pure Jealousy

I'd never lower myself to live in one of your rat infested overpriced toilets. I'd never sleep again if I was giving money to an immoral slumlord like you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654785a.jpg

Now you are picking on the homeless!!! Leave the less fortunate alone Greggorry. Nobody like an aboriginaphobe and a homeless person snob.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:27pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:23pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:20pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed. really? you can't afford to rent my properties Rocket, thats why your so against refugees, ... you just hate the fact that in a few years they'll be outperforming you and will be able to afford my properties. ... Pure Jealousy I'd never lower myself to live in one of your rat infested overpriced toilets. I'd never sleep again if I was giving money to an immoral slumlord like you.

aren't you renting now dopey?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:29pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654785a.jpg Now you are picking on the homeless!!! Leave the less fortunate alone Greggorry. Nobody like an aboriginaphobe and a homeless person snob.

I'm not picking on you, I'm just letting people know where you get your money from.

Do you declare that to the ATO, by the way?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:29pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654785a.jpg Now you are picking on the homeless!!! Leave the less fortunate alone Greggorry. Nobody like an aboriginaphobe and a homeless person snob. I'm not picking on you, I'm just letting people know where you get your money from. Do you declare that to the ATO, by the way?

Poor homeless man. It's not a joke. GROW A HEART!!!

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:33pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:30pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:27pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:23pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:20pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed. really? you can't afford to rent my properties Rocket, thats why your so against refugees, ... you just hate the fact that in a few years they'll be outperforming you and will be able to afford my properties. ... Pure Jealousy I'd never lower myself to live in one of your rat infested overpriced toilets. I'd never sleep again if I was giving money to an immoral slumlord like you. aren't you renting now dopey?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nope. I'd don't feed the slum industry.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:35pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:29pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654785a.jpg Now you are picking on the homeless!!! Leave the less fortunate alone Greggorry. Nobody like an aboriginaphobe and a homeless person snob. I'm not picking on you, I'm just letting people know where you get your money from. Do you declare that to the ATO, by the way? Poor homeless man. It's not a joke. GROW A HEART!!!

I'm not making jokes about you.

So, do you pay tax on those earnings?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:35pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:29pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654785a.jpg Now you are picking on the homeless!!! Leave the less fortunate alone Greggorry. Nobody like an aboriginaphobe and a homeless person snob. I'm not picking on you, I'm just letting people know where you get your money from. Do you declare that to the ATO, by the way? Poor homeless man. It's not a joke. GROW A HEART!!! I'm not making jokes about you. So, do you pay tax on those earnings?

So people who get welfare are subhuman to you are worthy of scorn?

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:33pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:30pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:27pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:23pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:20pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:17pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:15pm: John Smith might put a few country shoppers up into one of his slum rentals. That'll lesson the load a little on the Australian taxpayer. they'd have more chance than you would ....  But they don't meet your income criteria. I've got money. :-/ :-/ :-/ not yet, but they'll be out earning you in no time ... the pocket money from your grandmother doesn't count :D :D Asylum seekers are great for your business. Desperate people that will take any piece of crap rental property. So that's why you like people smuggling so much. Pure greed. really? you can't afford to rent my properties Rocket, thats why your so against refugees, ... you just hate the fact that in a few years they'll be outperforming you and will be able to afford my properties. ... Pure Jealousy I'd never lower myself to live in one of your rat infested overpriced toilets. I'd never sleep again if I was giving money to an immoral slumlord like you. aren't you renting now dopey?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Nope. I'd don't feed the slum industry.

ahh, still sponging of mummy then  ;D ;D ;D

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:41pm:

So people who get welfare are subhuman to you are worthy of scorn?

I've never called you subhuman.

Do you declare those "earnings"?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:49pm:

I've never called you subhuman.

he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:41pm: So people who get welfare are subhuman to you are worthy of scorn? I've never called you subhuman. Do you declare those "earnings"?

So you are making a joke that I beg for my money and don't declare those earnings. Begging isn't a joke. Little kids beg in Indian slums because they have no parents. Stop being an elitist snob.

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D

Indeed.

I'm sure he's actively looking for work.

I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:41pm: So people who get welfare are subhuman to you are worthy of scorn? I've never called you subhuman. Do you declare those "earnings"? ... I ... don't declare those earnings.

Well, you should.

https://www.ato.gov.au/

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:41pm: So people who get welfare are subhuman to you are worthy of scorn? I've never called you subhuman. Do you declare those "earnings"? So you are making a joke that I beg for my money and don't declare those earnings. Begging isn't a joke. Little kids beg in Indian slums because they have no parents. Stop being an elitist snob.

i thought you said your family goes back generations? and you still don't understand English? he asked if you declare the income you make from begging to the ATO ... there was no joke and he didn't accuse you of not declaring it ...

why do you avoid answering what is a very simple question?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. I'm sure he's actively looking for work. I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax.

So now poor beggars should pay tax??? GIVE THEM A BREAK!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:41pm: So people who get welfare are subhuman to you are worthy of scorn? I've never called you subhuman. Do you declare those "earnings"? So you are making a joke that I beg for my money and don't declare those earnings. Begging isn't a joke. Little kids beg in Indian slums because they have no parents. Stop being an elitist snob. i thought you said your family goes back generations? and you still don't understand English? he asked if you declare the income you make from begging to the ATO ... there was no joke and he didn't accuse you of not declaring it ... why do you avoid answering what is a very simple question?

All you do is take and live of property scams. What would you know John??

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. I'm sure he's actively looking for work. I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax. So now poor beggars should pay tax??? GIVE THEM A BREAK!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

You should declare your earnings, at least.

It may be that you don't actually have to pay any tax.

https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Tax-terms/In-detail/Employment,-income---tax-returns/What-is-the-tax-free-threshold-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. I'm sure he's actively looking for work. I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax. So now poor beggars should pay tax??? GIVE THEM A BREAK!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( You should declare your earnings, at least. It may be that you don't actually have to pay any tax. https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Tax-terms/In-detail/Employment,-income---tax-returns/What-is-the-tax-free-threshold-/

So now street beggars from all the worlds slums should at least declare their earning??? Talk about kicking somebody when they are down. I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!

I had a friend who used to ask people for $2 at Town Hall Station each morning. He reckoned his average was around $200 for each two and half hour blagging session.

That's $1000 per week, tax free for less than 15hrs effort.

Please stick to the topic and stop this pathetic exchange.
It's adding nothing.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:56pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. I'm sure he's actively looking for work. I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax. So now poor beggars should pay tax??? GIVE THEM A BREAK!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( You should declare your earnings, at least. It may be that you don't actually have to pay any tax. https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Tax-terms/In-detail/Employment,-income---tax-returns/What-is-the-tax-free-threshold-/ So now street beggars from all the worlds slums should at least declare their earning??? Talk about kicking somebody when they are down. I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!

Everybody should declare their earnings.

Whom do you think pays for that bridge you live under?

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:58pm:

I had a friend who used to ask people for $2 at Town Hall Station each morning. He reckoned his average was around $200 for each two and half hour blagging session. That's $1000 per week, tax free for less than 15hrs effort.

Many of those people are mentally ill, self medicate , have no future and no home. They don't have it good at all.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 3:01pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:56pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. I'm sure he's actively looking for work. I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax. So now poor beggars should pay tax??? GIVE THEM A BREAK!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( You should declare your earnings, at least. It may be that you don't actually have to pay any tax. https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Tax-terms/In-detail/Employment,-income---tax-returns/What-is-the-tax-free-threshold-/ So now street beggars from all the worlds slums should at least declare their earning??? Talk about kicking somebody when they are down. I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!! Everybody should declare their earnings. Whom do you think pays for that bridge you live under?

For a real bleeding heart leftie you sure show a real hard side to your personality Greggorry. You are not what you seem. Most lefties I find are snobs.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 3:01pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:56pm: Rocketanski wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:52pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 2:49pm: I've never called you subhuman. he really should work on his self confidence  ;D ;D ;D Indeed. I'm sure he's actively looking for work. I'm just concerned about his street "earnings", though: I'd hate to think that he wasn't paying his fair share of tax. So now poor beggars should pay tax??? GIVE THEM A BREAK!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( You should declare your earnings, at least. It may be that you don't actually have to pay any tax. https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Tax-terms/In-detail/Employment,-income---tax-returns/What-is-the-tax-free-threshold-/ So now street beggars from all the worlds slums should at least declare their earning??? Talk about kicking somebody when they are down. I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!! Everybody should declare their earnings. Whom do you think pays for that bridge you live under? For a real bleeding heart leftie you sure show a real hard side to your personality Greggorry.

Nothing 'hard' about declaring income and paying taxes.

Why do you think you should be exempt?

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 11:43am: ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:51am: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:47am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum. incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally. do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal.  Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out. incorrect. The australian government says  is illegal, the entire legal system says it is illegal. I think it is you with the mental health issues.

oh *sigh*. Point to the exact laws that say it is ILLEGAL.

fcken hell, each and every time. It's like dealing with an idiot. Oh wait...

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 3:40pm:

oh *sigh*. Point to the exact laws that say it is ILLEGAL.

Impossible.