DT 16 Jan 2015:

"The trouble with Australia's Arabic-Muslim community is not in the nature of its religious beliefs but in its culture of complaint and welfare entitlement.

In my time dealing with them in Western Sydney, Arabic-Muslim community leaders were different from other ethnic representatives, including Muslims from the non-Arabic world. (Turks, Iranians, etc)

They had a lot of gripes and spent a lot of time trying to milk the system of government for material gain.

They lacked a strong work ethic and commitment to private enterprise".

So, Wally 1 ... what's your response to this?

Easy its Mark Latham.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Easy its Mark Latham.

That's the response of a 6 year old.

Try a little harder, please.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Easy its Mark Latham. That's the response of a 6 year old. Try a little harder, please.

OK, Mark Latham in the past has proven to have opinions that aren't thoughtfully considered. This is not that different.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:04pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Easy its Mark Latham. That's the response of a 6 year old. Try a little harder, please. OK, Mark Latham in the past has proven to have opinions that aren't thoughtfully considered. This is not that different.

He was MP for an electorate in Western Sydney.

He had a procession of Arabic-Muslim Community leaders beating a path to his office door for the reasons Latham has stated above.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:06pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:04pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Easy its Mark Latham. That's the response of a 6 year old. Try a little harder, please. OK, Mark Latham in the past has proven to have opinions that aren't thoughtfully considered. This is not that different. He was MP for an electorate in Western Sydney. He had a procession of Arabic-Muslim Community leaders beating a path to his office door for the reasons Latham has stated above.

All of which still doesn't make him a careful considered voice on the issue.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

All of which still doesn't make him a careful considered voice on the issue.

Too insubstantial. Not enough material from you. Sorry, but I'm going to have to let you go.

Try again next year.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:17pm: All of which still doesn't make him a careful considered voice on the issue. Too insubstantial. Not enough material from you. Sorry, but I'm going to have to let you go. Try again next year.

Yes I apologise, I'll have to make more vulgar references and meaningless assertions in future to satisfy the immigrant.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

DT 16 Jan 2015: "The trouble with Australia's Arabic-Muslim community is not in the nature of its religious beliefs but in its culture of complaint and welfare entitlement. In my time dealing with them in Western Sydney, Arabic-Muslim community leaders were different from other ethnic representatives, including Muslims from the non-Arabic world. (Turks, Iranians, etc) They had a lot of gripes and spent a lot of time trying to milk the system of government for material gain. They lacked a strong work ethic and commitment to private enterprise". So, Wally 1 ... what's your response to this?

As usual you pick and choose what you want to post.

The same article also states that the liberals caused the mess in iraq and has in turn cause more terrorism in Aus.

I dont mind Mark latham actaully, but i hardly think stopping a $200 week centre link payment is going to stop somebody going overseas to fight.

I always liked Latham.  Well, as far as I like politicians that is.

My Dad was a pretty straight shooter when he was alive.

I remember sitting with him and a couple of his mates at the time Latham was going to stand against Howard and the punching the cabbie deal came up.

Pretty much all these older blokes (you know, people who actually fought in WWII) basically said Latham would get their vote. When pressed as to why it was unanimous....

They would prefer a leader who would smack you on the chin if you were a dickhead than one who lied as easily as he breathed....

They may have been onto something.

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

My Dad was a pretty straight shooter when he was alive. I remember sitting with him and a couple of his mates at the time Latham was going to stand against Howard and the punching the cabbie deal came up. Pretty much all these older blokes (you know, people who actually fought in WWII) basically said Latham would get their vote. When pressed as to why it was unanimous.... They would prefer a leader who would smack you on the chin if you were a dickhead than one who lied as easily as he breathed.... They may have been onto something.

Reminds me of General George S. Patton and Field Marshal Thomas Blamey both of whom were said to have slapped somebody.

My father gave a speech to Blamey in private during the War in the Pacific. Just in case you're taking notes.

Tony Abbott punches women. Does that count?


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The same article also states that the liberals caused the mess in iraq

Mark Latham said this?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:18pm: My Dad was a pretty straight shooter when he was alive. I remember sitting with him and a couple of his mates at the time Latham was going to stand against Howard and the punching the cabbie deal came up. Pretty much all these older blokes (you know, people who actually fought in WWII) basically said Latham would get their vote. When pressed as to why it was unanimous.... They would prefer a leader who would smack you on the chin if you were a dickhead than one who lied as easily as he breathed.... They may have been onto something. Reminds me of General George S. Patton and Field Marshal Thomas Blamey both of whom were said to have slapped somebody. My father gave a speech to Blamey in private during the War in the Pacific. Just in case you're taking notes.

I'm sure thousands of people did, they were called briefings.

wally1 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 3:09pm:

As usual you pick and choose what you want to post.

Not at all, Wally.

I'm kneeling here in the sand, reading from a script composed by the Muslim standing beside me with a knife in his hand.

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:51am:

Tony Abbott punches women. Does that count? Quote: The same article also states that the liberals caused the mess in iraq Mark Latham said this?

Not in the DT.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/latham_zps9bcb9232.png

Hang on people from the Tele read the AFR?

I have perceived the same lack of work ethic and entitlement mentality amongst Arabic muslims, in fact its endemic to their culture. Arabic immigration is an enormous mistake in this country, completely incompatible to the Australian way of life. Arabic  culture has nothing to add top our society and in my opinion, subtracts.

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:56am:

I have perceived the same lack of work ethic and entitlement mentality amongst Arabic muslims, in fact its endemic to their culture. Arabic immigration is an enormous mistake in this country, completely incompatible to the Australian way of life. Arabic  culture has nothing to add top our society and in my opinion, subtracts.

Nearly all my muslim freinds either work for themselves or have uni degrees. Most drive nice cars and live in fancy houses.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:17am:

Hang on people from the Tele read the AFR?

The AFR has the full article, not a little cut and paste by the DT.Again like herbert, the DT picked and choose what it wants readers to read.

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:51am:

Tony Abbott punches women. Does that count? Quote: The same article also states that the liberals caused the mess in iraq Mark Latham said this?

In the 13 years since September 11, the Liberal Party's foreign policy has been based on a double folly: increasing the risk of terrorism-related incidents at home, while also making the situation in Iraq worse.

As Tony Abbott admitted in Baghdad last week, the 2003 Coalition invasion created "chaos and confusion". This led to the rise of IS, as Sunni militants tried to regain the influence they had enjoyed under Saddam Hussein.

Since the resumption of Western military action four months ago, Islamic State's numbers have doubled – a recruitment boon driven by the perception of American/Australian imperialism. IS no longer has to deal with its internal hatreds and factionalism; the jihadists have joined forces against a common adversary.

This new "long war" will have the same outcome as every other "long war" in the Middle East: entrenching sectarian bitterness and division.

Australia's national security interests are best served by staying out of the region.  Instead, our counterterrorism efforts should focus on obvious problems closer to home.

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Instead, our counterterrorism efforts should focus on obvious problems closer to home.

9/11 demonstrated the risk of this approach. The world is getting smaller Wally. We have already had IS-inspired attacks in Sydney, Paris and plenty of other places. At some point you have to blame the terrorism on the terrorists and stop looking for ways you have failed to appease them. Letting Iraq fall to IS would threaten everyone.

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Quote: Instead, our counterterrorism efforts should focus on obvious problems closer to home. 9/11 demonstrated the risk of this approach. The world is getting smaller Wally. We have already had IS-inspired attacks in Sydney, Paris and plenty of other places. At some point you have to blame the terrorism on the terrorists and stop looking for ways you have failed to appease them. Letting Iraq fall to IS would threaten everyone.

The west failed iraq.

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:12pm:

We have already had IS-inspired attacks in Sydney

rubbish .. he was a nut case through and through. Nothing to do with IS

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:56am:

I have perceived the same lack of work ethic and entitlement mentality amongst Arabic muslims, in fact its endemic to their culture. Arabic immigration is an enormous mistake in this country, completely incompatible to the Australian way of life. Arabic  culture has nothing to add top our society and in my opinion, subtracts.

Queen Victoria was a patron of a British explorer called Richard Burton. After thoroughly investigating Egypt for its potential as a trading partner with Britain, he advised the British authorities not to bother with them, saying, in today's vernacular - you couldn't get them to work in an Iron Lung.

;D

I have worked with Christian Arabs who did a fair day's work for their pay.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 4:51am:

ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 10:56am: I have perceived the same lack of work ethic and entitlement mentality amongst Arabic muslims, in fact its endemic to their culture. Arabic immigration is an enormous mistake in this country, completely incompatible to the Australian way of life. Arabic  culture has nothing to add top our society and in my opinion, subtracts. Queen Victoria was a patron of a British explorer called Richard Burton. After thoroughly investigating Egypt for its potential as a trading partner with Britain, he advised the British authorities not to bother with them, saying, in today's vernacular - you couldn't get them to work in an Iron Lung. ;D I have worked with Christian Arabs who did a fair day's work for their pay.

This was more likely a symptom of Victorian Englands inherent racism. Burton was also considered to be a liar, a racist, two-faced and debaucherous.

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 8:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21st, 2015 at 8:12pm: We have already had IS-inspired attacks in Sydney rubbish .. he was a nut case through and through. Nothing to do with IS

IS are all nutcases. That does not mean they have nothing to do with IS. Monis was asking for an IS flag and was inspired by ISIS. ISIS had been calling for the exact kind of attack Monis carried out. One of the Paris attack accomplices has escaped back to IS. Islam is a cult of supremacy. The best recruiting tool IS could get is western appeasement, because they will paint it as a victory over the west and inspire more attacks. That's why, despite the rhetoric from limp-wristed western apologists, Bin Laden's best recruiting tool was 9/11, not the invasions that followed. That is why, after getting their arses thoroughly kicked, the Palestinians claim a great military victory over Israel every time Israel withdraws or offers some kind of concession. There is no shortage of pointless struggles for Muslims to die for. What brings them out of the woodwork is a hint of progress back towards a 7th century style Arab empire.

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:19am:

... The best recruiting tool IS could get is western appeasement ...

Correct.

Appeasement comes in various forms, not just ordering the riot police to run away down London streets from mobs of Muslim youths throwing anything they can get their hands on at them, or allowing those returning from fighting with ISIS to be treated with kid-gloves while surrounded by pro bono socialist lawyers, but also in ways that tell the entire Muslim community that they are more valued than the freedom of speech once enjoyed by the locals.

Example:

(This is an example of International Socialism acting as Hitler did with the Jews before the war and the holocaust).

link

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15am:

This was more likely a symptom of Victorian Englands inherent racism. Burton was also considered to be a liar, a racist, two-faced and debaucherous.

All fine qualifications that go into making the best of our politicians.

As Churchill once said: "Nearly all the great politicians of history were bad men".

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 8:15am: This was more likely a symptom of Victorian Englands inherent racism. Burton was also considered to be a liar, a racist, two-faced and debaucherous. All fine qualifications that go into making the best of our politicians. As Churchill once said: "Nearly all the great politicians of history were bad men".

What a sad statement about society in that case.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:17am:

What a sad statement about society in that case.

It's part of the Human Condition that people need strong leadership.

Look what happens when domestic political leadership turns into mushy, accommodating, appeasing, apologist kow-towing to the 'cultural sensitivities' of  immigrant Ethnic Community Leaders and their myriad socialist supporters.

The UK is a bedlam of religious, racial, and cultural tensions.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:29am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:17am: What a sad statement about society in that case. It's part of the Human Condition that people need strong leadership. Look what happens when domestic political leadership turns into mushy, accommodating, appeasing, apologist kow-towing to the 'cultural sensitivities' of  immigrant Ethnic Community Leaders and their myriad socialist supporters. The UK is a bedlam of religious, racial, and cultural tensions.

You can be strong with out being bad. The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive.