Every second story coming in from overseas news sources has an article about Islam being a pain in the arse again.

It just never stops.

No wonder gandalf and the ummah crowd want censorship of western news stories that reflect badly on Islam.

"To be halal certified the animal must be facing Mecca, have its throat cut while still alive and then ritually sacrificed by a Muslim who recites a prayer dedicating the slaughter to Allah".

It must be facing Mecca.

Jesus Christ, gandalf ~ do you really subscribe to this fantastic nonsense?

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

Every second story coming in from overseas news sources has an article about Islam being a pain in the arse again. It just never stops. No wonder gandalf and the ummah crowd want censorship of western news stories that reflect badly on Islam. "To be halal certified the animal must be facing Mecca, have its throat cut while still alive and then ritually sacrificed by a Muslim who recites a prayer dedicating the slaughter to Allah". It must be facing Mecca. Jesus Christ, gandalf ~ do you really subscribe to this fantastic nonsense? link

Herbert,

You are so mistaken.              :P




"ISLAM is peace."



Those are the words, that are coming out of the mouths of moslems, who are living here in Australia,    .....everyday.




IMAGE....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."


Quote:

Darwin's Muslim leaders and NT police discuss hijab harassment and racism at community meeting 105.7 ABC Darwin By Emilia Terzon ...... ...... .....Mr Razi, an 18 year-old medical student originally born in Saudi Arabia, described his faith as a peaceful religion. "Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its teachings, I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt



See!     See!

This is proof!!!!





"ISLAM is peace."


How can you have ever doubted it ???!!!              :P

Yadda ~ you see the fellow in that picture?

Let's give him credit for exploding the myth that 'peace' in the context of Islam means 'tolerance', forbearance, accommodation with multicultural diversity and kuffar infidelity.

To his credit, he correctly advises us that 'peace' in the context of Islam means 'submission' to the Will of Allah as revealed through His prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ~ wherein social equanimity is achieved through everyone subscribing to Islam and no other religion.

It does not mean flower-power and acceptance of other people's differing points of view.

Submission to Islam is the key to finding acceptance among the Muslims. It's why every western bride of a Muslim man soon finds herself draped and shrink-wrapped in 'modest' apparel to signify her submission to her husband - and his religion.

It's considered a mark of high status for a Muslim to be seen as having submitted a white woman to his will - and having converted her to Islam.

It's every Muslim male's secret wet dream to have a white woman showcased to the world as his chattel and his conquest. It's often the case that these white woman are unusually beautiful, thus further elevating his status among his peers.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Yadda ~ you see the fellow in that picture? Let's give him credit for exploding the myth that 'peace' in the context of Islam means 'tolerance', forbearance, accommodation with multicultural diversity and kuffar infidelity. To his credit, he correctly advises us that 'peace' in the context of Islam means 'submission' to the Will of Allah as revealed through His prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ~ wherein social equanimity is achieved through everyone subscribing to Islam and no other religion. It does not mean flower-power and acceptance of other people's differing points of view. Submission to Islam is the key to finding acceptance among the Muslims. It's why every western bride of a Muslim man soon finds herself draped and shrink-wrapped in 'modest' apparel to signify her submission to her husband - and his religion. It's considered a mark of high status for a Muslim to be seen as having submitted a white woman to his will - and having converted her to Islam. It's every Muslim male's secret wet dream to have a white woman showcased to the world as his chattel and his conquest. It's often the case that these white woman are unusually beautiful, thus further elevating his status among his peers.

Perhaps.


http://one.ozy.com/Pictures/976x549/1/2/1/34121_photo1.JPG

Waleed Aly,       ....and wife







http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/img/susan_larg_m1718761.jpg

Wife of Waleed Aly,       ....aka Susan Carland

What a stupid woman!!!!!

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

What a stupid woman!!!!!

Are you blind?

She's amazingly beautiful.

There's also a sensational knock-out beauty over there in the UK who often acts as a spokeman for Islam on various panels.

They are intelligent, educated, articulate, and courageous in putting themselves forward to take the brunt of arguments about Islam and Muslims.

I myself would convert if one of these staggering beauties was the prize.

But meanwhile, my fantasies about codsey-baby will have to suffice ...  :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:08am: What a stupid woman!!!!! Are you blind? She's amazingly beautiful. There's also a sensational knock-out beauty over there in the UK who often acts as a spokeman for Islam on various panels. They are intelligent, educated, articulate, and courageous in putting themselves forward to take the brunt of arguments about Islam and Muslims. I myself would convert if one of these staggering beauties was the prize. But meanwhile, my fantasies about codsey-baby will have to suffice ...  :)

In normal life they are a nobody but a pretty woman amongst those butt ugly sand naggers is a princess.

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

In normal life they are a nobody but a pretty woman amongst those butt ugly sand naggers is a princess.

She would turn heads even in a gay bath house.

Incidentally, where's my nemesis gregg got to?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:23am:In normal life they are a nobody but a pretty woman amongst those butt ugly sand naggers is a princess.

She would turn heads even in a gay bath house.

Incidentally, where's my nemesis gregg got to?[/quote]He's off burning the Australian flag someplace. ;)

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:28am: Incidentally, where's my nemesis gregg got to? He's off burning the Australian flag someplace. ;)

With Raven, no doubt.

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

What a stupid woman!!!!!

The effect that hormones have always had, upon the decision making process [...the choices] of humans, is incredible!      

It always amazes me.               :)

Hormones, and money.             8-)


Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.





John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64  But there are some of you that believe not....

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:08am: What a stupid woman!!!!! Are you blind? She's amazingly beautiful. There's also a sensational knock-out beauty over there in the UK who often acts as a spokeman for Islam on various panels. They are intelligent, educated, articulate, and courageous in putting themselves forward to take the brunt of arguments about Islam and Muslims. I myself would convert if one of these staggering beauties was the prize. But meanwhile, my fantasies about codsey-baby will have to suffice ...  :)

Like i said, hormones have got a lot to answer for !!        ;)                 ;D

Yadda wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

Like i said, hormones have got a lot to answer for !!        ;)                 ;D

Correct, Yadda!

I ALWAYS obey the voices in my pants.  :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

Every second story coming in from overseas news sources has an article about Islam being a pain in the arse again. It just never stops. No wonder gandalf and the ummah crowd want censorship of western news stories that reflect badly on Islam. "To be halal certified the animal must be facing Mecca, have its throat cut while still alive and then ritually sacrificed by a Muslim who recites a prayer dedicating the slaughter to Allah". It must be facing Mecca. Jesus Christ, gandalf ~ do you really subscribe to this fantastic nonsense? link

Ah, the Daily Hate again, Herbie.  A perennial favourite.  What's happened to Mr. Pickering?  Isn't he producing enough hate for you?   ::)

Halal slaughter described.

Kosher slaughter described.

If you read the descriptions, the only way they differ is in the direction the animal faces during slaughter.   However, only in the section on Halal are the words:


Quote:

The main concern with...slaughter is whether or not pre-slaughter stunning is used.

So, why is the concern about stunning only mentioned WRT to Halal?

Further, as the piece itself goes on to point out:

Quote:

In Australia, the national standard for meat production requires that all animals must be effectively stunned (unconscious) prior to slaughter. The vast majority of halal slaughter in Australia complies with this standard, that is, all animals are stunned prior to slaughter.

So, if (nearly all) animals are stunned, why mention this concern, at all?  Why isn't it mentioned in the section on Kosher slaughter?

Just another example of the special attention Muslims receive because of Islamophobia...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Ah, the Daily Hate again, Herbie.  A perennial favourite.  What's happened to Mr. Pickering?  Isn't he producing enough hate for you?   ::)

Content, Brian ~ argue the content please.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:56am: Ah, the Daily Hate again, Herbie.  A perennial favourite.  What's happened to Mr. Pickering?  Isn't he producing enough hate for you?   ::) Content, Brian ~ argue the content please.

Ah, but I did, Herbie.  As usual, you're too quick to judge!   ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:56am: Ah, the Daily Hate again, Herbie.  A perennial favourite.  What's happened to Mr. Pickering?  Isn't he producing enough hate for you?   ::) Content, Brian ~ argue the content please.

Yes, Brian, kindly stick to the subject of Muslims stealing our women. Read the Daily Mail.article for assistance if you need to.

Oh, why are the papers full of these Muslims? You don’t hear about Boongs stealing or women, or Chows. A Curry wouldn’t dare.

No one try to derail Herbie’s thread this time, thanks. He was only kidding around in the last one.

This one’s for real.

This thread is interesting - seeing three people demonstrating their obvious fear and insecurity about a dark(er) skinned muslim marrying a white woman.

But we dare not call it 'islamophobia' right?  ;D ;D

Yadda wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:02am:

[quote author=Herbert link=1422136674/2#2 date=1422142247] http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/img/susan_larg_m1718761.jpg Wife of Waleed Aly,       ....aka Susan Carland

Monday September 17, 2007
Making waves

STORIES BY SHAHANAAZ HABIB


A convert speaks about the unreasonable pressures on new Muslims.
Speaking at a dinner talk during the conference, organised by the Muslim Professionals Forum and the Women, Family and Community Development Ministry, Carland, who was named Australian Muslim of the Year in 2004, was brutally honest about the treatment of converts at the hands of “born” Muslims.

“Lifting the Veil” (as her talk was aptly titled), what she had to say certainly made many cringe.

Barely have the last words of the shahada (proclamation of faith) left the lips of new converts, she said, they find themselves bombarded with rules to adhere to.

“Never mind that the sister doesn’t know how to pray. She is told she must get rid of all her old clothing, because it is too Western and thus unIslamic and put on the hijab (head scarf) immediately.

“Don’t worry that our new brother has only been a Muslim for three minutes. He’s already been told that he has to throw out all his music and get rid of his dog or he’d be committing a big sin.”

The list of unreasonable pressures on converts includes telling converts to leave their so-called haram jobs immediately, even if the person had no other source of income.

The newbies are asked to give up hobbies like painting, photography, dancing or playing instruments. They’re advised to move out and sever ties with their kafir (infidel) family and non-Muslim friends, while female converts are urged to get married as soon as possible. They are often expected to give up their own cultures and take on Arab, sub-continental, Malay or other cultures because these are deemed to be more “Islamic”. ...

Carland also takes the Muslim community to task for having an almost schizophrenic attitude towards converts.

On one hand, she pointed out, Muslims liked converts because they made them (the Muslims) feel good about themselves and their faith. But on the flip side, converts were often made to feel inferior by those born Muslims…

On mosques, Carland said these institutions were just not supportive enough of new converts.

”Female converts report being shouted out, criticised and, worse, simply ignored by both other women and men, the first time they nervously enter a mosque. Often they report leaving in tears,” she disclosed… She cited an incident in which the father of her close Chinese friend in Malaysia had gone to a mosque here to convert, but was told to leave instead....



http://www.thestar.com.my/story/?file=%2f2007%2f9%2f17%2flifefocus%2f18880041&sec=lifefocus


Er... no 'tiny minority' is mentioned.

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Speaking at a dinner talk during the conference, organised by the Muslim Professionals Forum and the Women, Family and Community Development Ministry, Carland, who was named Australian Muslim of the Year in 2004, was brutally honest about the treatment of converts at the hands of “born” Muslims.

Lies. Carland is now an oppressed muslim wife - thoroughly under the thumb of Waleed. She obviously would never be allowed to speak so candidly against the muslim community.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

their obvious fear and insecurity about a dark(er) skinned muslim marrying a white woman. But we dare not call it 'islamophobia' right?  ;D ;D

I'm sensing derision.

Certainly not fear or insecurity. There is disbelief and derision and a fair bit of 'what the bugger was she thinking???"

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

I'm sensing derision. Certainly not fear or insecurity. There is disbelief and derision and a fair bit of 'what the bugger was she thinking???"

;D ;D ;D

I think some of these more educated women like to buck convention and do a 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' shocker in order to 'prove' their credentials as having risen to a more rarefied stratosphere of immaculate virtue than the rest of us.

And then she gets to wear a hijab that further announces her ascendancy to a higher plane of virtue than the rest of the sisterhood. 

No surprises ... the UK once again witnesses Islam-in-action and doing what has always come naturally to its congregation: Intimidation, bribery, and Threats of VIOLENCE to help muscle their way into positions of power. It's a stereotype that proves itself time and time again.

"Britain's first elected Muslim mayor is 'a liar and perjurer' who used corruption, intimidation and fraud to win a second term, a court heard today.

Lutfur Rahman, who runs Tower Hamlets Council, 'subverted democracy' during a campaign last May characterised by bribery, 'ghost voting', smears and 'foul libel', the High Court heard.

"Meanwhile a letter signed by 101 Islamic figures which was published in a Bengali newspaper said not voting for Rahman was an 'un-Islamic and a sinful act', it was claimed.

The 49-year-old politician is being investigated after local campaigners compiled a vast dossier of evidence showing his re-election was rigged.

"Today Francis Hoar, for the petitioners, who were also political opponents, opened the seven-week trial.

Mr Hoar said his clients had 'reported threats of violence, threats to their families in Bangladesh, pressure from their employers and pressure from their communities'.

The barrister said witnesses 'know about Lutfur Rahman and they know how, almost one year ago, he subverted democracy to be re-elected Mayor of Tower Hamlets'.

'Since the beginning of his political career, he has been prepared to take whatever steps, use whatever means, recruit whatever support, to obtain power - power for himself, power for his friends and most importantly, power over his community.

'He knows what the law is and his attempts to pretend otherwise during the case should fall on deaf ears.' "

The introduction of Islam into the UK is a scourge, not a blessing.

link

Here we go again.

More disgusting news from the Muslim Front.

When O when will the eunuchs who run the UK's leadership start to show some balls?

Even the people who secretly filmed these barbarities are prefacing their exposures with apologies and forelock-pulling in the direction of the Holy Cow that has become Britain's 'Muslim Community'.

"Campaigners did not want to stir-up anti-Muslim feeling but felt withholding the awful footage would be a 'betrayal'" 

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:11am:

Here we go again. More disgusting news from the Muslim Front. When O when will the eunuchs who run the UK's leadership start to show some balls? Even the people who secretly filmed these barbarities are prefacing their exposures with apologies and forelock-pulling in the direction of the Holy Cow that has become Britain's 'Muslim Community'. "Campaigners did not want to stir-up anti-Muslim feeling but felt withholding the awful footage would be a 'betrayal'"  link

Ummm, it was done in contravention of Halal practice. So its not a religious issue, its an abattoir cutting corners issue.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:38am:

Ummm, it was done in contravention of Halal practice. So its not a religious issue, its an abattoir cutting corners issue.

No, it's a bunch of bearded Mohammedan's taunting the sheep and laughing at their suffering.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:49am:

No, it's a bunch of bearded Mohammedan's taunting the sheep and laughing at their suffering.

No it was a batch of bearded people. The religion is irrelevant.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:50am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am: No, it's a bunch of bearded Mohammedan's taunting the sheep and laughing at their suffering. No it was a batch of bearded people. The religion is irrelevant.

bugger off you moro*.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:50am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am: No, it's a bunch of bearded Mohammedan's taunting the sheep and laughing at their suffering. No it was a batch of bearded people. The religion is irrelevant. bugger off you moro*.

Reported

Quote:

................characterised by bribery, 'ghost voting', smears and 'foul libel', the High Court heard. "Meanwhile a letter signed by 101 Islamic figures which was published in a Bengali newspaper said not voting for Rahman was an 'un-Islamic and a sinful act', it was claimed. The 49-year-old politician is being investigated after local campaigners compiled a vast dossier of evidence showing his re-election was rigged. "Today Francis Hoar, for the petitioners, who were also political opponents, opened the seven-week trial. Mr Hoar said his clients had 'reported threats of violence, threats to their families in Bangladesh, pressure from their employers and pressure from their communities'. The barrister said witnesses 'know about Lutfur Rahman and they know how, almost one year ago, he subverted democracy to be re-elected Mayor of Tower Hamlets'..................

the stench of the cult islam

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:57am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:50am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am: No, it's a bunch of bearded Mohammedan's taunting the sheep and laughing at their suffering. No it was a batch of bearded people. The religion is irrelevant. bugger off you moro*. Reported

The religion is irrelevant? At a Halal Abattoir? With bearded (ie 'deeply devout') Muslims carrying on like a bunch of sadistic school kids?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 12:10pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:57am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:50am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am: No, it's a bunch of bearded Mohammedan's taunting the sheep and laughing at their suffering. No it was a batch of bearded people. The religion is irrelevant. bugger off you moro*. Reported The religion is irrelevant? At a Halal Abattoir? With bearded (ie 'deeply devout') Muslims carrying on like a bunch of sadistic school kids?

Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem.

Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ...

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm: Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem. Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ...

Again if the halal is done in conjunction with stunning, its no more cruel than any of the procedures we use. If its not, then we should stop imports. But again this is irrelevant because the article is referring to practices which are not halal procedure, with photos of characters (at least one of whom isnt bearded)


Looking at another article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shopping-and-consumer-news/11384505/Secret-halal-slaughterhouse-film-reveals-horrific-animal-abuse.html

it becomes obvious that the problem is not the halal procedure, nor the workers, but the abattoir as a whole.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

it becomes obvious that the problem is not the halal procedure, nor the workers, but the abattoir as a whole.

I think you might have stumbled into the wrong thread.

Try this one, you'll feel more comfortable there. link

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: it becomes obvious that the problem is not the halal procedure, nor the workers, but the abattoir as a whole. I think you might have stumbled into the wrong thread. Try this one, you'll feel more comfortable there. link

No clearly not. Want to keep posting this biased out of context rubbish Herbie? Thats ok, just dont be surprised if I continue to call you out on it.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm: Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem. Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ... Again if the halal is done in conjunction with stunning, its no more cruel than any of the procedures we use. If its not, then we should stop imports.

They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:46pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: it becomes obvious that the problem is not the halal procedure, nor the workers, but the abattoir as a whole. I think you might have stumbled into the wrong thread. Try this one, you'll feel more comfortable there. link No clearly not. Want to keep posting this biased out of context rubbish Herbie? Thats ok, just dont be surprised if I continue to call you out on it.

I can't be bothered with people who pretend they don't have a brain to think these things out for themselves. No decent person would try to defend Islam or the bearded bastards in this story.

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:48pm:

They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest?

Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up.

Right. I'm making it up. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:46pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: it becomes obvious that the problem is not the halal procedure, nor the workers, but the abattoir as a whole. I think you might have stumbled into the wrong thread. Try this one, you'll feel more comfortable there. link No clearly not. Want to keep posting this biased out of context rubbish Herbie? Thats ok, just dont be surprised if I continue to call you out on it. I can't be bothered with people who pretend they don't have a brain to think these things out for themselves. No decent person would try to defend Islam or the bearded bastards in this story.

You mean bastard. Theres only one bearded person in this story. And I'm not defending Islam, I'm saying theres no evidence these practices are due to Islam. Bring me the evidence Herbie.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up.

I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat??

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm: Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem. Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ... Again if the halal is done in conjunction with stunning, its no more cruel than any of the procedures we use.

The article said muslims have an exemption from stunning on religious grounds.

Is stunning is Islamic then why did they get an exemption from stunning, why would they ask for an exemption on stunning if it is halal like the ignorant apologists like you claim?

Since they have an exemption on stunning are you conceding Islamic slaughter is cruel compared to non Islamic slaughter?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:46pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: it becomes obvious that the problem is not the halal procedure, nor the workers, but the abattoir as a whole. I think you might have stumbled into the wrong thread. Try this one, you'll feel more comfortable there. link No clearly not. Want to keep posting this biased out of context rubbish Herbie? Thats ok, just dont be surprised if I continue to call you out on it. I can't be bothered with people who pretend they don't have a brain to think these things out for themselves. No decent person would try to defend Islam or the bearded bastards in this story.

I see why a lot of the leftists/Greens in this forum are unemployable and fritter away their days spamming this forum with their bullshit.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm: Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem. Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ... Again if the halal is done in conjunction with stunning, its no more cruel than any of the procedures we use. The article said muslims have an exemption from stunning on religious grounds. Is stunning is Islamic then why did they get an exemption from stunning, why would they ask for an exemption on stunning if it is halal like the ignorant apologists like you claim? Since they have an exemption on stunning are you conceding Islamic slaughter is cruel compared to non Islamic slaughter?

In the strictest definition its pre-stunning they have an exemption for.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:11am:

When O when will the eunuchs who run the UK's leadership start to show some balls?

Bit difficult when you're a Eunuch Sensei!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat??

Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat.

Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now.

What's with islam and wanting to cut heads of with rusty knives??

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now.

I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads.

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:33pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads.

Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere.

Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:25pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm: Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem. Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ... Again if the halal is done in conjunction with stunning, its no more cruel than any of the procedures we use. The article said muslims have an exemption from stunning on religious grounds. Is stunning is Islamic then why did they get an exemption from stunning, why would they ask for an exemption on stunning if it is halal like the ignorant apologists like you claim? Since they have an exemption on stunning are you conceding Islamic slaughter is cruel compared to non Islamic slaughter? In the strictest definition its pre-stunning they have an exemption for.

Bullshit, they have an exemption from stunning on religious grounds.

Why are you avoiding the questions?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:30pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:25pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:43pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34pm: Yep. What they were doing was against Halal certification, i.e unrelated to halal procedure. We have seen instance of cruelty in abattoirs all round the world. Its not a strictly islamic problem. Tell that to the live stock that leave our shores for the Middle East and the African Muslim countries ... Again if the halal is done in conjunction with stunning, its no more cruel than any of the procedures we use. The article said muslims have an exemption from stunning on religious grounds. Is stunning is Islamic then why did they get an exemption from stunning, why would they ask for an exemption on stunning if it is halal like the ignorant apologists like you claim? Since they have an exemption on stunning are you conceding Islamic slaughter is cruel compared to non Islamic slaughter? In the strictest definition its pre-stunning they have an exemption for. Bullshit, they have an exemption from stunning on religious grounds. Why are you avoiding the questions?

Thats not what the RSPCA says

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:39pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere. Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude.

You've got out that much, you've visited every middle eastern abattoir?

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:33pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads.

The leftists like Outragebus wanted to stop our live export trade because of Indonesian slaughter methods which appear to be similar to this case.

Leftists like these prefer to punish our farmers while defending idiotic ancient superstitious beliefs.

Fancy some leftist claiming to know more about Islam than muslims working doing halal slaughter.
When a muslim says it's Islamic terror the leftists say it has nothing to do with Islam, when Bob Carr said the boat people were economic migrants the lefties were out claiming that is not what he really said.

This forum appears to be full of unemployable leftists.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:41pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:39pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere. Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude. You've got out that much, you've visited every middle eastern abattoir?

;D ;D ;D ;D Mostly in the middle east animals are killed behind a little shop. I'll give it to you, you never give up defending Islam. But you shouldn't defend something so much that you overlook things that aren't right. But in their defence poor countries don't have expensive stunning devices and slaughtering equipment. Most of the time it's just a knife.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. The leftists like Outragebus wanted to stop our live export trade because of Indonesian slaughter methods which appear to be similar to this case. Leftists like these prefer to punish our farmers while defending idiotic ancient superstitious beliefs. Fancy some leftist claiming to know more about Islam than muslims working doing halal slaughter. When a muslim says it's Islamic terror the leftists say it has nothing to do with Islam, when Bob Carr said the boat people were economic migrants the lefties were out claiming that is not what he really said. This forum appears to be full of unemployable leftists.

Apart from the fact I am employed.

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:41pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:39pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere. Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude. You've got out that much, you've visited every middle eastern abattoir? ;D ;D ;D ;D Mostly in the middle east animals are killed behind a little shop. I'll give it to you, you never give up defending Islam. But you shouldn't defend something so much that you overlook things that aren't right. But in their defence poor countries don't have expensive stunning devices and slaughtering equipment. Most of the time it's just a knife.

So you've been to all of these little shops?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. The leftists like Outragebus wanted to stop our live export trade because of Indonesian slaughter methods which appear to be similar to this case. Leftists like these prefer to punish our farmers while defending idiotic ancient superstitious beliefs. Fancy some leftist claiming to know more about Islam than muslims working doing halal slaughter. When a muslim says it's Islamic terror the leftists say it has nothing to do with Islam, when Bob Carr said the boat people were economic migrants the lefties were out claiming that is not what he really said. This forum appears to be full of unemployable leftists.

He knows halal is cruel but he'll never agree with you no matter what. It's just the way they are.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:58pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:41pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:39pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere. Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude. You've got out that much, you've visited every middle eastern abattoir? ;D ;D ;D ;D Mostly in the middle east animals are killed behind a little shop. I'll give it to you, you never give up defending Islam. But you shouldn't defend something so much that you overlook things that aren't right. But in their defence poor countries don't have expensive stunning devices and slaughtering equipment. Most of the time it's just a knife. So you've been to all of these little shops?

I've been to a couple here. So am I wrong??

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 4:00pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:58pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:41pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:39pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere. Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude. You've got out that much, you've visited every middle eastern abattoir? ;D ;D ;D ;D Mostly in the middle east animals are killed behind a little shop. I'll give it to you, you never give up defending Islam. But you shouldn't defend something so much that you overlook things that aren't right. But in their defence poor countries don't have expensive stunning devices and slaughtering equipment. Most of the time it's just a knife. So you've been to all of these little shops? I've been to a couple here. So am I wrong??

I dont know, a couple here in Oz cant be used to extrapolate across an entire industry.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 4:00pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:58pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:41pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:39pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. Thanks Captain Obvious, my argument is that type of behaviour is not necessary and we shouldnt have to stand for it. Its also the case, that that type of behaviour is not conducted everywhere. Not conducted everywhere.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Halal slaughter is cruel. The middle east doesn't stun animals. The butchers are back room crapholes. You need to get out more dude. You've got out that much, you've visited every middle eastern abattoir? ;D ;D ;D ;D Mostly in the middle east animals are killed behind a little shop. I'll give it to you, you never give up defending Islam. But you shouldn't defend something so much that you overlook things that aren't right. But in their defence poor countries don't have expensive stunning devices and slaughtering equipment. Most of the time it's just a knife. So you've been to all of these little shops? I've been to a couple here. So am I wrong?? I dont know, a couple here in Oz cant be used to extrapolate across an entire industry.

:D :D :D :D

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:58pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. The leftists like Outragebus wanted to stop our live export trade because of Indonesian slaughter methods which appear to be similar to this case. Leftists like these prefer to punish our farmers while defending idiotic ancient superstitious beliefs. Fancy some leftist claiming to know more about Islam than muslims working doing halal slaughter. When a muslim says it's Islamic terror the leftists say it has nothing to do with Islam, when Bob Carr said the boat people were economic migrants the lefties were out claiming that is not what he really said. This forum appears to be full of unemployable leftists. He knows halal is cruel but he'll never agree with you no matter what. It's just the way they are.

Indeed, shame on all us leftists refusing to just jump in and accept daily mail articles without evidence.

Makes things so difficult.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:03pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 4:00pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:58pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. The leftists like Outragebus wanted to stop our live export trade because of Indonesian slaughter methods which appear to be similar to this case. Leftists like these prefer to punish our farmers while defending idiotic ancient superstitious beliefs. Fancy some leftist claiming to know more about Islam than muslims working doing halal slaughter. When a muslim says it's Islamic terror the leftists say it has nothing to do with Islam, when Bob Carr said the boat people were economic migrants the lefties were out claiming that is not what he really said. This forum appears to be full of unemployable leftists. He knows halal is cruel but he'll never agree with you no matter what. It's just the way they are. Indeed, shame on all us leftists refusing to just jump in and accept daily mail articles without evidence. Makes things so difficult.

Well look it up and prove us wrong. You won't though because you know what you'll find.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 4:03pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 4:00pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:58pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:33pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:56pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:48pm: They don't stun. They turn the animal towards mecca and cut it's throat after bashing it to the ground with clubs and boots. You say then stop inports. Well people are going to starve. Now what do you suggest? Wheres the part about bashing to ground with clubs and boots. Oh wait you made that up. I've seen what they do. You tell me how you get a massive animal to the point where it's not moving around enough to cut it's throat?? Well if its sheep, you can usually use your body weight to push them up against the fence in a race, all without using boots and clubs. Thats the technique for drenching and you have to lift their mouth for that, would be no different for slitting a throat. Big cows you could use a crush. Much like farmers use now. I watched footage from Indonesia where they club the poor things to the ground and put the boot into their heads. The leftists like Outragebus wanted to stop our live export trade because of Indonesian slaughter methods which appear to be similar to this case. Leftists like these prefer to punish our farmers while defending idiotic ancient superstitious beliefs. Fancy some leftist claiming to know more about Islam than muslims working doing halal slaughter. When a muslim says it's Islamic terror the leftists say it has nothing to do with Islam, when Bob Carr said the boat people were economic migrants the lefties were out claiming that is not what he really said. This forum appears to be full of unemployable leftists. He knows halal is cruel but he'll never agree with you no matter what. It's just the way they are. Indeed, shame on all us leftists refusing to just jump in and accept daily mail articles without evidence. Makes things so difficult.

The LAST thing leftoids want is evidence.  Evidence is not partisan.
The left want confirmation of progressivism. Facts are not progressive. Or ideological (if they do not bolster progressivist ideology).

lol

Soren wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:51pm:

The LAST thing leftoids want is evidence.  Evidence is not partisan. The left want confirmation of progressivism. Facts are not progressive. Or ideological (if they do not bolster progressivist ideology).

Yeah, sure, Soren...   ::)

Is this a devout muslim, would of thought she was a bit old?

"Kilburn supporter of hate preacher Anjem Choudary admits grooming girl, 15, over Facebook"

"The 21-year-old, who works as a sales assistant in Tesco in Brent Cross, also swapped lewd photos with the youngster and pleasured himself in front of the teen via webcam". UG

http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/news/crime-court/kilburn_supporter_of_hate_preacher_anjem_choudary_admits_grooming_girl_15_over_facebook_1_3939573

I first warned in the Mail five years ago of young girls being traded in provincial towns as sex slaves. I was accused by social workers, police, councillors and even faith organisations of making it up.

In fact, I had learned the truth from parents who rang or emailed me in desperation, saying that no one was heeding their warnings. Later, I heard it from the girls themselves.

Yet when I wrote about the scandal, I was branded racist. The reason? I dared mention the truth: that most of the victims were white or of mixed race, while all too often the perpetrators were of British-Pakistani heritage.

Vindication came in a major report last year by Professor Alexis Jay, who confirmed that the greatest number of abusers were from this community.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2940327/How-branded-racist-exposing-truth-SUE-REID-reveals-accused-making-warning-young-girls-traded-sex-slaves-provincial-towns.html#ixzz3Qued9926

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 8:51pm: The LAST thing leftoids want is evidence.  Evidence is not partisan. The left want confirmation of progressivism. Facts are not progressive. Or ideological (if they do not bolster progressivist ideology). Yeah, sure, Soren...   ::)

I thought it was Mistie.

"Progressives".