Im being serious here,after reading an article about Putin in which the Amercians say that he has Aspergers I applied the symptoms to our own PM, I could not understand how a Rhodes scholar could exhibit what appers to me to be some sort of intellectual retardation, after all you have to be a seriously intelligent person to get a scholarship as far as I am aware and Abbott obviously displays qualities that his colleaugues see and believe in  enough to make him leader so the intellectual retardation just doesnt add up. Heres the symptoms of Aspergers
Problems with social skills: check Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation.

Eccentric or repetitive behaviors check Children with this condition may develop odd, repetitive movements, such as hand wringing or finger twisting.

Communication difficulties: check People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context and are very literal in their use of language.

Limited range of interests: check A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps.
Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward.

Skilled or talented: check Many children with Asperger's syndrome are exceptionally talented or skilled in a particular area, such as music or math.

Abbott displays all but one of the symptoms listed, even that he may have had as a child.

And this, abbott is left handed
Left-handers have also been found to be more likely to have autism, a stutter, dyslexia, ADHD and schizophrenia.

You place far to much weight on a rhodes scholarship. As we have discovered with his daughter, scholarships are handed out for all sorts of reasons not ability.
Especially a rhodes scholarship which is for political study.

Look at his life minus the scholarship. Its largely unimpessive. His rise in b politics is opportunism done well.

Maybe I chose not to notice it too much pre-election, but for months now, photos of Abbott (and his cloned wife) seem to much more often show what appears to be a 'muzzle' around the mouth area -- plus that door-step, everted, lower-lip  (like Howard's)

Maybe Abbott's the living embodiment of Icke's Lizard People?

PZ547 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Maybe I chose not to notice it too much pre-election, but for months now, photos of Abbott (and his cloned wife) seem to much more often show what appears to be a 'muzzle' around the mouth area -- plus that door-step, everted, lower-lip  (like Howard's) Maybe Abbott's the living embodiment of Icke's Lizard People?

You chose not to notice a lot before the election despite what people were telling you

I just couldnt understand how someone who effectively appears to be emotionally and intellectually retarded could get the job. After reading about the symptoms of autism Abbotts behaviour actually makes sense, one thing also, there is no information available on Abbotts early life until his university days, nothing. Not expecting detailed biography of his childhood but no stories from ex school friends, nothing from his parents saying what a cute kid he was or whatever, just completely nothing. Why is that? Its almost like he didnt exist until the age of 20 or so. I mean what parent doesnt like to share some sort of story about their kids when they become famous? Im not doing this to stick the knife into Abbott, hes gone anyway, and Im no fan of consipracy theories but theres something just doesnt add up about this man, something big hes hiding. Anger management issues, we all know he had them, really down to poor impulse control, pretty sure many autistic people exhibit this as well.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Maybe I chose not to notice it too much pre-election, but for months now, photos of Abbott (and his cloned wife) seem to much more often show what appears to be a 'muzzle' around the mouth area -- plus that door-step, everted, lower-lip  (like Howard's) Maybe Abbott's the living embodiment of Icke's Lizard People?

The man has very poor social and communication skills, very poor. Remember the freeze he went into for over a few minutes like a statue when asked a question by that journalist, I dismissed it at the time but it adds up. (not to being a lizard man though, thats wingnut stuff)

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:56pm: Maybe I chose not to notice it too much pre-election, but for months now, photos of Abbott (and his cloned wife) seem to much more often show what appears to be a 'muzzle' around the mouth area -- plus that door-step, everted, lower-lip  (like Howard's) Maybe Abbott's the living embodiment of Icke's Lizard People? You chose not to notice a lot before the election despite what people were telling you

That's right.  And those who were 'telling me' were rusted on Labor supporters so naturally, given Labor's history and performance, I didn't put much store in that advice

But long before the last election and throughout and since, I have said as I believe, i.e., that both the so-called 'opposing parties' are owned by the same masters and do their collective masters' dirty-work in destroying Australia -- ruthlessly, knowingly, deliberately destroying Australia

But you know, maybe those who were 'telling me' back then (and who for some reason believe beyond question they occupy the higher-ground, in addition for some reason to gloating about LNP's abysmal performance to match that of Labor) can explain why Howard, Gillard and the rest 'visit Israel' as a matter of priority ?   Not once, or twice, but multiple 'visits to Israel' ?

Israel ?  Not the UK or even the US -- Israel

Then we come to sustainability.  Both fake major parties (who pretend to 'oppose' each other) cannot fail to be aware of a commissioned study several years ago which concluded that Australia could sustain no more than eleven million people.  In fact, the actual figure was lower than that at about 10.5 million

Yet both fake major parties have been flying migrants in 24/7 despite Australia's population is now double what it can sustain and no plans by either fake party to call a halt

So sure, I 'was told' that Abbott was a flake pre-election.  But coming as it did from Labor supporters who idolise to this day the grubs Keating and Hawke, not to mention Rudd and Gillard -- and taking into account most Australians voted OUT Labor, rather than voting-in the coalition -- you can understand why the advice (dodgy as it was) was not heeded

Would I like a refund on my vote for the coalition now, half way through their first term?  You betcha.  Do I believe Labor is anywhere near close to bettering the coalition's performance, should they be returned?  Nope

Will I vote for either fake major party again in my lifetime?  No again

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

I just couldnt understand how someone who effectively appears to be emotionally and intellectually retarded could get the job. After reading about the symptoms of autism Abbotts behaviour actually makes sense, one thing also, there is no information available on Abbotts early life until his university days, nothing. Not expecting detailed biography of his childhood but no stories from ex school friends, nothing from his parents saying what a cute kid he was or whatever, just completely nothing. Why is that? Its almost like he didnt exist until the age of 20 or so. I mean what parent doesnt like to share some sort of story about their kids when they become famous? Im not doing this to stick the knife into Abbott, hes gone anyway, and Im no fan of consipracy theories but theres something just doesnt add up about this man, something big hes hiding.

Yes.....it is lack of genuine ability.  The bloke has faked it, he made it.....but it is now unravelling.  I have made many posts (after doing the research and linking articles) detailing his flakey past from his violent and ignoble Sydney Uni days and on.  I agree there is little anywhere on what he did prior to Uni other than a comment from Ignatius Jones that he and Abbott contended for Dux at whatever High School they attended.

Abbott knows.

He has some very capable and smart colleagues no matter what you think of their politics, how did he get this far without any ability? How did they not recognise his lack of any intellectual capability? This is strange, I understand most Australians vote for who the TV tells them to these days, but still.

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

I just couldnt understand how someone who effectively appears to be emotionally and intellectually retarded could get the job. After reading about the symptoms of autism Abbotts behaviour actually makes sense, one thing also, there is no information available on Abbotts early life until his university days, nothing. Not expecting detailed biography of his childhood but no stories from ex school friends, nothing from his parents saying what a cute kid he was or whatever, just completely nothing. Why is that? Its almost like he didnt exist until the age of 20 or so. I mean what parent doesnt like to share some sort of story about their kids when they become famous? Im not doing this to stick the knife into Abbott, hes gone anyway, and Im no fan of consipracy theories but theres something just doesnt add up about this man, something big hes hiding. Anger management issues, we all know he had them, really down to poor impulse control, pretty sure many autistic people exhibit this as well.

This sound sounds entirely possible ~ he has very poor cognition skills. So many examples of impaired ability ~ at the G20 summit complaining to world leaders that voters didnt like the GP co-payment..so embarrassing, as if he didnt have a clue how to conduct himself as a leader himself..Lucky Putin was there to share the limelight.

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

Im being serious here,after reading an article about Putin in which the Amercians say that he has Aspergers I applied the symptoms to our own PM, I could not understand how a Rhodes scholar could exhibit what appers to me to be some sort of intellectual retardation, after all you have to be a seriously intelligent person to get a scholarship as far as I am aware and Abbott obviously displays qualities that his colleaugues see and believe in  enough to make him leader so the intellectual retardation just doesnt add up. Heres the symptoms of Aspergers Problems with social skills: check Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation. Eccentric or repetitive behaviors check Children with this condition may develop odd, repetitive movements, such as hand wringing or finger twisting. Communication difficulties: check People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context and are very literal in their use of language. Limited range of interests: check A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps. Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward. Skilled or talented: check Many children with Asperger's syndrome are exceptionally talented or skilled in a particular area, such as music or math. Abbott displays all but one of the symptoms listed, even that he may have had as a child.

Are you retarded? I'm being serious.

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:56pm: Maybe I chose not to notice it too much pre-election, but for months now, photos of Abbott (and his cloned wife) seem to much more often show what appears to be a 'muzzle' around the mouth area -- plus that door-step, everted, lower-lip  (like Howard's) Maybe Abbott's the living embodiment of Icke's Lizard People? The man has very poor social and communication skills, very poor. Remember the freeze he went into for over a few minutes like a statue when asked a question by that journalist, I dismissed it at the time but it adds up. (not to being a lizard man though, thats wingnut stuff)

Somewhere (here or elsewhere online) I've noted the same thing.  Bush used to do the same.  Prompted me to suggest they were receiving instructions via a little gizmo in their ear.  At this point, I've really no doubt about that, although by now, they've probably improved technology and have simply embeded the gizmos straight into their heads

Recently, I posted the obscene amount of money being taken from Aussies to fund 'politicians' during and after their run.  And for years I've said we should cut out the middlemen (i.e., our 'fake', owned, compromised, disloyal 'politicians') and save a bundle.  Why pretend Australia isn't actually run and controlled by USrael when it's insultingly obvious to all but the deliberately blind and dumb.  Cut the middlemen, save a bundle and spend it on much needed schools, hospitals, science, dying rural sector, etc

As for Abbott and his dysfunctions, we have to toss him asap.  One, because he's a destructive element, a sadist, a bully and an idiot.  Two, because ridding the coalition of their stupidly-chosen 'leader' will sit them back on their bums and motivate them to wake up and do the job for which they're paid, or else

I agree with Rhino as to Abbott's 'strangeness'.  Although the public aren't especially noting it within their published comments, I'm sure most have reached the conclusion Abbott is not what any of us would regard as a normally-functioning human

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:13pm: Im being serious here,after reading an article about Putin in which the Amercians say that he has Aspergers I applied the symptoms to our own PM, I could not understand how a Rhodes scholar could exhibit what appers to me to be some sort of intellectual retardation, after all you have to be a seriously intelligent person to get a scholarship as far as I am aware and Abbott obviously displays qualities that his colleaugues see and believe in  enough to make him leader so the intellectual retardation just doesnt add up. Heres the symptoms of Aspergers Problems with social skills: check Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation. Eccentric or repetitive behaviors check Children with this condition may develop odd, repetitive movements, such as hand wringing or finger twisting. Communication difficulties: check People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context and are very literal in their use of language. Limited range of interests: check A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps. Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward. Skilled or talented: check Many children with Asperger's syndrome are exceptionally talented or skilled in a particular area, such as music or math. Abbott displays all but one of the symptoms listed, even that he may have had as a child. Are you retarded? I'm being serious.

are you denying Abbott has any of these issues? Really?

The inappropriate winks (plural)

Cheap, low-life behaviour in accepting a dodgy 'scholarship' for one of his daughters

Caught out for rorting travel expenses.  How many times?  One, for sure, when he was actually travelling around trying to flog his book

Mouth hanging open --- VERY often.  One of the first signs of mental problems, as noted by psychiatrists, is slack-mouth, open-mouth, etc.  The mouth is a far more reliable indicator of mental health issues than the 'eyes, windows of the soul' stuff

Tongue hanging out, flicking in and out and VERY often, highly visible.  The media must have thousands of photos of Abbott which they've deep-sixed because they show him demonstrating one of the above.  Aged-care homes are filled with people who demonstrate the same mouth problems as Abbott

The mental freezes as noted by Rhino

The inappropriateness of wearing cycling gear bearing corporate logos, names, etc

There are more

Saw this elsewhere the other day

LOL




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The Daily Telegraph Has Single-Handedly Ensured Tony Abbott Will Never Be Trusted With A Child Ever Again

Top photo is grotesque

Scroll down for worse


http://junkee.com/the-daily-telegraph-has-single-handedly-ensured-tony-abbott-will-never-be-trusted-with-a-child-ever-again/50075

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

He has some very capable and smart colleagues no matter what you think of their politics, how did he get this far without any ability? How did they not recognise his lack of any intellectual capability? This is strange, I understand most Australians vote for who the TV tells them to these days, but still.

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Tony is a fighter. And, the little I know about Autism is that it takes many shapes. The worst affected are rendered incapable of looking after or caring for them selves.

One of the other forms can produce utter geniuses in their chosen field. if you have ever met a child or person who has the latter form often you will find somebody who is anal and logistical about many things.

They have the ability to be totally focused on their goals and even if proven wrong will not shift their ground. In Politics that is a powerful motivator and a lot of people just give up or are completely destroyed.

Their is no right nor wrong, they believe what they think and are not easily controlled.

To be fair to somebody who has a family member with Autism their are a lot of successful people who have gone on to achieve great things.

Whether Politics is a great example I am not sure, because Autism generally reduces certain functions of the brain and intensifies other parts.

I would be inclined to think that Politics requires a well rounded person who understands both sides of the fence and then chooses which side they belong.

Cowboy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8oq8CzCUAABJkl.jpg

Childishly, I entered 'Tony Abbott Is Stupid' into Google


Sim sala bim


Found this.  Confirms what I've suspected for ages anyway, but still ....


https://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/look-whos-talking/



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Thanks to the Facebook group Keep Social Democracy in Australia I have borrowed the above photo. Tony Abbott, by the looks of it, wore an ear piece during his interview with Leigh Sales on the 7:30 Report on Wednesday night. Why? Does he have to be told what to say? Can’t he think or speak for himself? As reported widely in the social media (where else?), Tony Abbott can’t turn up to any interview these days without the famous ear piece. And those persistent coughs during the interview with Sales (which you may well have noticed). Were they an alert – as someone on Facebook suggested – to tell the ‘listener’  . . . “Help me on this one”. You’ve got to wonder

COWBOY wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

__________________________________________________ Tony is a fighter. And, the little I know about Autism is that it takes many shapes. The worst affected are rendered incapable of looking after or caring for them selves. One of the other forms can produce utter geniuses in their chosen field. if you have ever met a child or person who has the latter form often you will find somebody who is anal and logistical about many things. They have the ability to be totally focused on their goals and even if proven wrong will not shift their ground. In Politics that is a powerful motivator and a lot of people just give up or are completely destroyed. Their is no right nor wrong, they believe what they think and are not easily controlled.

Thats interesting, you could also be describing Kevin Rudd. Maybe Abbotts like Rudd only without the intellect.

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Then there's this


Quote:

'Do'h !  Peta, I'm sorry, that woman of calibre comment was so STUPID'

Peta: 
Quote:

'It's ok Tony, you aren't stupid, you're just unlucky in your thinking

Complete with suitable photo

http://yathink.com.au/article-display/mr-abbotts-er-um-ah-woman-of-calibre-blunder-speaks-volumes,70

So Professors are we to understand that your cumulative knowledge in the field of Medical Endeavour confirms your prognosis that Tony Abbott has Aspergers Syndrome......wankers!

My understanding is Credlin is a very sharp operator ans a very savvy girl, so your question does bear examination.

He was schooled by jesuits, so he would have been taught a lot of "compassion"
Jesuit schools still make the students go and work at soup kitchens at night and help the homeless.
I believe his work with aboriginal communties is part of this.
From a woman i know who knows Tony from warringah, he is very community minded and , she felt, a very genuine bloke.
The decision to study to become a priest says heaps.
This is a very "odd" career choice and certainly for a liberal.

i think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello.

A catholic priest doesnt even have any money. there is a vow of poverty and then an allowance for food. i dont even think they have personal investments or bank Ac"s.
malcolm is blue blood, born to rule silvertail, macquarie banker liberal.

But, yes, i think Tony has a personality dosorder , is naive and lacks social intelligence. He's been promoted one level too high in the system. He's obviously a very hard worker and may have made an excellent minister for Aboriginal Affairs with his physical energy and jesuit principles.
Canberra must have been quite an alien experience for him.
I feel sorry for the guy, i always have. He has an awkwardness in front of the camera, he has always been like one of those people on a talent show, just caught in the spotlight like a rabbit.
His place is on a quad bike in the NT, not in the rarified air of the professional BS artist,  leave that to the likes of Rudd, Pyne, Brandis, the Green senators. 
those people are as shallow as a puddle.  good for TV

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Tony Abbott's Core Promises


(1)  NBN nobbled for Murdoch


(2)  Mining Tax reversed for Gina


(3) Emasculated Child-Abuse Investigation for Pell


https://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/running-dry-on-tony-abbott/

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 3:39pm: rhino wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 2:13pm: Im being serious here,after reading an article about Putin in which the Amercians say that he has Aspergers I applied the symptoms to our own PM, I could not understand how a Rhodes scholar could exhibit what appers to me to be some sort of intellectual retardation, after all you have to be a seriously intelligent person to get a scholarship as far as I am aware and Abbott obviously displays qualities that his colleaugues see and believe in  enough to make him leader so the intellectual retardation just doesnt add up. Heres the symptoms of Aspergers Problems with social skills: check Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation. Eccentric or repetitive behaviors check Children with this condition may develop odd, repetitive movements, such as hand wringing or finger twisting. Communication difficulties: check People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context and are very literal in their use of language. Limited range of interests: check A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps. Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward. Skilled or talented: check Many children with Asperger's syndrome are exceptionally talented or skilled in a particular area, such as music or math. Abbott displays all but one of the symptoms listed, even that he may have had as a child. Are you retarded? I'm being serious. are you denying Abbott has any of these issues? Really?

Being talented doesn't mean I have autism. Having a narrow range of interests doesn't mean I have autism, and so on for the other points. I've supported autistic people of varying degrees in my nursing career and believe me when I say I'd bet my house that Abbott isn't the slightest bit autistic.

red baron wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

So Professors are we to understand that your cumulative knowledge in the field of Medical Endeavour confirms your prognosis that Tony Abbott has Aspergers Syndrome......wankers!

  I always thought he had some sort of personality disorder which he was able to keep under control most times. His past behaviour certainly demonstrates it. No reasonable person could deny he has behavioural issues.

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@ Aquascoot --- I'm sure many people were initially as generous as you

However, the mists have cleared from people's eyes

Howard was at least if not more awkward than Abbott

Howard may have been as ruthless.  Many claim so and they may be correct


But it was Abbott alone who claimed he was willing to sell his rrrs for the top job, according to Windsor.  And haven't seen any demands for retractions from Abbott's camp


Edited to say that before I log out, it's to be doubted many would seek to reconcile the alleged asceticism of the wannabee Jesuit monk with rorting of travel expenses and acceptance of a 'peculiar' scholarship worth approx. $60,000 for their daughter on the quiet and without declaring it

Wow, deluded:


Quote:

think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello.

It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today.

Autistic no, Tourettes garnished with Aspergers .

Aspergers is a form of autism

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today.

george, you dont like costello do you.

i think he would have made an awesome PM.
we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins.

Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony.
Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm.
Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect.
Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly.
Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter.
God i miss him and John ;)

PZ547 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

The inappropriate winks (plural) Cheap, low-life behaviour in accepting a dodgy 'scholarship' for one of his daughters Caught out for rorting travel expenses.  How many times?  One, for sure, when he was actually travelling around trying to flog his book Mouth hanging open --- VERY often.  One of the first signs of mental problems, as noted by psychiatrists, is slack-mouth, open-mouth, etc.  The mouth is a far more reliable indicator of mental health issues than the 'eyes, windows of the soul' stuff Tongue hanging out, flicking in and out and VERY often, highly visible.  The media must have thousands of photos of Abbott which they've deep-sixed because they show him demonstrating one of the above.  Aged-care homes are filled with people who demonstrate the same mouth problems as Abbott The mental freezes as noted by Rhino The inappropriateness of wearing cycling gear bearing corporate logos, names, etc There are more

And you also wrote:



PZ547


Quote:

He calls himself honest, too He claimed, ' We say what we mean and we do as we say' or some such 'endearingly frank' BS And who could forget the long, long pauses between the promises, to let it sink in that this was a saviour here who planned to put the country to rights? The squinty, cold eyes Our instincts were telling us this was a sociopath here The reptilian mouth The shallow jaw The door-step lower lip, just like Howards The weak chin The leathery skin -- reptilian again The little-man, little dik syndrome The bow-legged, crab-like gait Running from the floor at Question time like a mental retard 'I'm the bloke with the not bad looking daughters' ' This isn't going on record, is it ?' Big mortgage in wife's name Trying to thieve $9,000 in one swoop at the same time as he was grabbing headlines for calling out others for doing so much less Wearing sponsor's gear (amgen) while he was campaigning for post of PM Turning up late for photo opportunities he'd demanded during the bush-fires with the real firies saying he did nothing apart from don the fire-fighting gear and smearing a bit of soot on his face What a crock We deserve so much better than this low-class clown Get onto your MPs and threaten they'll never see your votes again unless they oust Abbott asap

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;)

not to worry scoot, I'm still here  :D :D :D

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today.

So you forgot to take your anti-delusion medication again, eh George?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;)

You were saying the same about Abbott during the last federal election. But I love this. You said "We may have not had Rudd ... had Pete been given the reins". And that''s it isn't it. Peter Costello expected to be given the PMship  . He wouldn't fight for it of challenge Howard for it. He just expected to get it.  Keating was rightly disgusted "Have a go you mug!", he said.  Aquascoot, there is no doubt in my mind that the side of politics that really suffers from the "entitlement syndrome" it's you're side of politics. 

I think this thread is in incredibly poor taste.
My wife works with autistic children - from mild to severe - and to equate this to the PM or even any politician is idiotic.

Wheres the bad taste? Im not denigrating autistic people. Abbott has a lot of the symptoms and exhibits bizarre social interaction skills. Politicans arent somehow exempt from being subject to conditions the rest of humanity are subject to, what an idiotic presumption.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

I think this thread is in incredibly poor taste. My wife works with autistic children - from mild to severe - and to equate this to the PM or even any politician is idiotic.

Typical of Andrei to imply that an autistic person could not become Prime Minister.  Andrei, ask your wife.  There is nothing which would prevent an autistic person becomming a success!  Why would you imply they cannot?  Gawd, I could post a zillion links which shoot you down.

rhino wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

Wheres the bad taste? Im not denigrating autistic people. Abbott has a lot of the symptoms and exhibits bizarre social interaction skills. Politicans arent somehow exempt from being subject to conditions the rest of humanity are subject to, what an idiotic presumption.

I think it is poor taste. That remains my opinion.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 9:24pm: Wheres the bad taste? Im not denigrating autistic people. Abbott has a lot of the symptoms and exhibits bizarre social interaction skills. Politicans arent somehow exempt from being subject to conditions the rest of humanity are subject to, what an idiotic presumption. I think it is poor taste. That remains my opinion.

of course you do ... anything to hide the truth  :D :D :D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 9:24pm: Wheres the bad taste? Im not denigrating autistic people. Abbott has a lot of the symptoms and exhibits bizarre social interaction skills. Politicans arent somehow exempt from being subject to conditions the rest of humanity are subject to, what an idiotic presumption. I think it is poor taste. That remains my opinion.

It's been suggested Winston Churchill" had asperger syndrome. Cant really see a problem with discussing the possibility that Tony is autistic.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;)

Come on, Costello handed down one tough Budget and coasted. He was very fortunate to become Treasurer when the 90s recession was about over then later the mining boom (more a real estate boom.) All he did was spend as much of the boom time revenue in tax cuts as he could. No building infrastructure, no solving of problems/removing economic bottlenecks, boosting productivvity none of that. Feed tax cuts into and talk up a real estate boom, spend the next surplus on more tax cuts.

Where is the cleverness? Too gutless to challenge Howard, what is there to admire?

Howard—spent on pork, buying elections, middleclass welfare. We need a majority Labor govt to undo the damage those two complete idiots and economic illiterates did.

If we had not had such good, strict prudential regulations the GFC would have seen 2-3 banks, including one of the Big Four, fall over.

Open your eyes! Maybe read Swanny’s book, it is well written and densely nailed down with quotes, footnotes and the rest.

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 9:38pm: rhino wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 9:24pm: Wheres the bad taste? Im not denigrating autistic people. Abbott has a lot of the symptoms and exhibits bizarre social interaction skills. Politicans arent somehow exempt from being subject to conditions the rest of humanity are subject to, what an idiotic presumption. I think it is poor taste. That remains my opinion. of course you do ... anything to hide the truth  :D :D :D

Anything to hide your complete and total lack of intelligence...

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;) Come on, Costello handed down one tough Budget and coasted. He was very fortunate to become Treasurer when the 90s recession was about over then later the mining boom (more a real estate boom.) All he did was spend as much of the boom time revenue in tax cuts as he could. No building infrastructure, no solving of problems/removing economic bottlenecks, boosting productivvity none of that. Feed tax cuts into and talk up a real estate boom, spend the next surplus on more tax cuts. Where is the cleverness? Too gutless to challenge Howard, what is there to admire? Howard—spent on pork, buying elections, middleclass welfare. We need a majority Labor govt to undo the damage those two complete idiots and economic illiterates did. If we had not had such good, strict prudential regulations the GFC would have seen 2-3 banks, including one of the Big Four, fall over. Open your eyes! Maybe read Swanny’s book, it is well written and densely nailed down with quotes, footnotes and the rest.

He took over a budget that was riddled with debt from an incompetent Labor government and turned it into a $22bn surplus when he left office. That's no small feat, considering it took 9 years or so to pay off the $96bn debt Keating racked up!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 6:03am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 9:46pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;) Come on, Costello handed down one tough Budget and coasted. He was very fortunate to become Treasurer when the 90s recession was about over then later the mining boom (more a real estate boom.) All he did was spend as much of the boom time revenue in tax cuts as he could. No building infrastructure, no solving of problems/removing economic bottlenecks, boosting productivvity none of that. Feed tax cuts into and talk up a real estate boom, spend the next surplus on more tax cuts. Where is the cleverness? Too gutless to challenge Howard, what is there to admire? Howard—spent on pork, buying elections, middleclass welfare. We need a majority Labor govt to undo the damage those two complete idiots and economic illiterates did. If we had not had such good, strict prudential regulations the GFC would have seen 2-3 banks, including one of the Big Four, fall over. Open your eyes! Maybe read Swanny’s book, it is well written and densely nailed down with quotes, footnotes and the rest. He took over a budget that was riddled with debt from an incompetent Labor government and turned it into a $22bn surplus when he left office. That's no small feat, considering it took 9 years or so to pay off the $96bn debt Keating racked up!

Costello had a mining boom to help him.

Don't forget that he sold our Gold off for a song.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. So you forgot to take your anti-delusion medication again, eh George?

I have spelled out in detail many times how a lot of our present fiscal and economic problems come from Howard & Costello feeding the credit fuelled real estate boom 2001–7 with tax cuts and irresponsible spending on pork, middleclass welfare and buying elections and that when the boom collapsed in 2008 with the GFC these unsustainable expenditures continued, hence the deficits. With the credit expansion 2001-7 we are now left with a highly indebted private sector unable to do much spending.

You want to debate me you bring some facts to the table, not political fairy tales!

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;) Come on, Costello handed down one tough Budget and coasted. He was very fortunate to become Treasurer when the 90s recession was about over then later the mining boom (more a real estate boom.) All he did was spend as much of the boom time revenue in tax cuts as he could. No building infrastructure, no solving of problems/removing economic bottlenecks, boosting productivvity none of that. Feed tax cuts into and talk up a real estate boom, spend the next surplus on more tax cuts. Where is the cleverness? Too gutless to challenge Howard, what is there to admire? Howard—spent on pork, buying elections, middleclass welfare. We need a majority Labor govt to undo the damage those two complete idiots and economic illiterates did. If we had not had such good, strict prudential regulations the GFC would have seen 2-3 banks, including one of the Big Four, fall over. Open your eyes! Maybe read Swanny’s book, it is well written and densely nailed down with quotes, footnotes and the rest.

I could NEVER read Swans book. I'd rather the missus found a copy of playboy under the bed then that ;)

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 7:08pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Wow, deluded: Quote: think Tony is deeply conflicted. i never thought he would be a good economic manager in the likeness of a Reith or Costello. It is partly because of Costello we are having so many fiscal and economic problems today. george, you dont like costello do you. i think he would have made an awesome PM. we may have not had Rudd and the ensuing 7 years of disaster for the country had Pete been given the reins. Costello WAS  what karnal sarcasticly calls Tony. Stable, reliable, a steady hand at the helm. Costello is a giant of australian politics and a man of rare intellect. Not getting him as PM will cost this country dearly. Joe Hockey isnt fit to breath the same air as Peter. God i miss him and John ;) not to worry scoot, I'm still here  :D :D :D

that's quite funny John.  you have certain characteristics you share with the Great Man.
you hang around and persevere and never give up.
these are good character traits .
I think the country would breath a massive sigh of relief if we woke up tomorrow and JH was back in charge.

Like when Alan Langer came back to captain Qlds state of origin team