Quote:

Chapel Hill shooting: Man espousing anti-religious views charged with murdering three Muslim students Updated about 5 hours ago Wed 11 Feb 2015, 10:11pm A North Carolina man espousing anti-religious views has been charged with the murders of three Muslim students, including a husband and wife, who were shot dead in the university town of Chapel Hill, police say. ".....Hicks turned himself in after the shooting in Chapel Hill, just outside the campus of the University of North Carolina. ....."Mr Hicks has been charged with three counts of 1st degree murder," police said in a statement. A Facebook page believed to belong to Hicks showed dozens of anti-religious posts, including one calling himself an "anti-theist" saying he has a "conscientious objection to religion" and others memes denouncing Christianity, Mormonism and Islam. His page also showed a photo of a loaded revolver, alongside a video of a puppy and a promotional clip for Air New Zealand. One post read: "I'm not an atheist because I'm ignorant of the reality of religious scripture. I'm an atheist because religious scripture is ignorant of reality." "Given the enormous harm that your religion has done in this world, I'd say that I have not only a right, but a duty, to insult it," he posted under the religious beliefs tab.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-11/three-people-killed-in-chapel-hill-shooting-in-north-carolina/6087062



Dumb, and wrong.

Resorting to violence and lawlessness such as this [above] is reprehensible.

People who do not like ISLAM/moslems [or the practice of other religions] should lobby local politicians, to change laws, relating to the 'practice' of religion within their jurisdiction.

Yadda writing something positive for a change.

Miracle.

It says they were killed over a parking dispute.

Is that the first time someone has been killed over a parking dispute?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 8:52am:

It says they were killed over a parking dispute. Is that the first time someone has been killed over a parking dispute?

no

http://www.videonel.com/video/x17c0ke_fight-in-greenwood-nightclub-parking-lot-leads-to-fatal-shooting_news

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/crime-courts/2010-04-24/dispute-over-parking-space-leads-violence

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/17/maryland.officer.killed/index.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-homicide-arrest-20150112-story.html

http://www.live5news.com/story/22290784/police-shots-fired-in-north-charleston

http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/police-shots-fired-at-home-depot-in-tampa-20131106/

Links were found on another site.

yes, I think thats the point Baron was making stratos.

Muslims are absolutely never ever the victim of hate crime - with the sole exception of Ahmadi Muslims. Any instance of non-Ahmadi muslims being attacked either a) didn't happen or b) can be explained away as not related to religion.

The world according to Baron. And he will always be there - tirelessly apologising for islamophobic hate crimes

Yadda wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 5:28am:

People who do not like ISLAM/moslems [or the practice of other religions] should lobby local politicians, to change laws, relating to the 'practice' of religion within their jurisdiction.

So true Y - as long as persecution and murder of muslims is legal then its quite ok.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 5:28am: People who do not like ISLAM/moslems [or the practice of other religions] should lobby local politicians, to change laws, relating to the 'practice' of religion within their jurisdiction. So true Y - as long as persecution and murder of muslims is legal then its quite ok.

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf


------>


i.e.
as long as persecution and murder of NON-moslems is legal in ISLAM, then its quite ok to be a moslem.






Quote:

"What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0




Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4





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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.



"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193






ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260






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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Yadda wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf

Yadda expertly deflects from his own hypocricy.

Gandalf has never, not once, ever advocated or defended the persecution or murder of people because of their faith.

Once again we see Yadda is incapable of distinguishing between my personal views and his own interpretation of Islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Once again we see Yadda is incapable of distinguishing between my personal views and his own interpretation of Islam.

But he HAS learnt to SPELL !



Yadda wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Muslim =  a follower of Islam.

... or maybe that was a C&P ?

Sometimes I wonder if you two are actually the same person.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

Sometimes I wonder if you two are actually the same person.

I think its pretty obvious there are members here with multiple accounts

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:36am: Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf Yadda expertly deflects from his own hypocricy. Gandalf has never, not once, ever advocated or defended the persecution or murder of people because of their faith. Once again we see Yadda is incapable of distinguishing between my personal views and his own interpretation of Islam.

Quite so.


But, gandalf, is a moslem.




But what is, a 'moslem' ?


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."







.








polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Gandalf has never, not once, ever advocated or defended the persecution or murder of people because of their faith.

No, gandalf has never done that [above].




IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/






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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Gandalf has never, not once, ever advocated or defended the persecution or murder of people because of their faith.

No, gandalf has never done that [above].




Yadda said....

Quote:

gandalf is the type of moslem who promotes only peace, and does not follow the violent parts of his faith.           :P Yadda said.... [quote] Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim "There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible; "I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger. And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity']. But i don't follow that part of my faith. HONEST!" Dictionary; incredible = = 1 impossible to believe. 2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

[/quote]

How many muslims have killed other muslims this week I wonder?

The Yadda argument:

- yes, gandalf doesn't advocate or support murder in the name of islam
- but gandalf is a muslim, who follows *MY* interpretation of islam
- therefore gandalf supports murder in the name of islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

The Yadda argument: - yes, gandalf doesn't advocate or support murder in the name of islam - but gandalf is a muslim, who follows *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of islam - therefore gandalf supports murder in the name of islam.

Yeah,

I confess, i Yadda, edited the current Koran passages, so that those passages command enmity towards anyone who is not a moslem,
and i edited the Hadith passages,
and i edited the ISLAMIC law that determined that it is lawful and pleasing to Allah, to kill those who are not moslem [i.e. those who reject ISLAM].

And i did this all by using black magic!!!!!

Because i wanted to bring ISLAM into disrepute!!!!





But gandalf has original protected copies of ISLAM's pure Koran, pure Hadith, and kosher ISLAMIC law.

Passages, which preach that moslems should live in peace with all mankind.






YADDA'S CORRUPTED ISLAMIC SCRIPTS  ---------->

[.....which have nothing at all, to do with mainstream ISLAM, nor the mainstream ISLAM which gandalf follows]

[and if you believe the above, you will believe anything!]





"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4





ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

The Yadda argument: - yes, gandalf doesn't advocate or support murder in the name of islam - but gandalf is a muslim, who follows *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of islam - therefore gandalf supports murder in the name of islam.

Yeah,       .....like is have suggested previously;




Yadda said....

Quote:

gandalf is the type of moslem who promotes only peace, and does not follow the violent parts of his faith.           :P Yadda said.... [quote] Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim "There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible; "I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger. And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity']. But i don't follow that part of my faith. HONEST!" Dictionary; incredible = = 1 impossible to believe. 2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

[/quote]





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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/






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A LITTLE MORE, ON.........


Taqiyya
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
google




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war







Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine



Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

The Yadda argument: - yes, gandalf doesn't advocate or support murder in the name of islam - but gandalf is a muslim, who follows *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of islam - therefore gandalf supports murder in the name of islam.

gandalf,

You talk about *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of ISLAM





But Koran 9.29 - CLEARLY - calls for the enslavement or death of those non-moslems who reject ISLAM's authority over their lives.

Presumably this enslavement or death of those non-moslems must be undertaken/attempted by moslems ?

With the sanction of ISLAM's god, Allah ?


gandalf,

When was Koran 9.29 abrogated by Allah/Mohammed, as a command to a moslem [from Allah] that has no current validity ?

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29




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Koran 60:4 calls for "enmity and hatred for ever" towards those non-moslems who reject ISLAM's authority over their lives.

gandalf,

When was Koran 60:4 abrogated by Allah/Mohammed, as a command to a moslem [from Allah] that has no current validity ?

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4




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Koran 2.98 describes those non-moslems who reject ISLAM's authority over their lives as Allah's enemies, and presumably, also the enemies of all moslems.

gandalf,

When was Koran 2.98 and Koran 60.1 abrogated by Allah/Mohammed, as commands to a moslem [from Allah] that have no current validity ?


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

How many muslims have killed other muslims this week I wonder?

too few

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:19pm: How many muslims have killed other muslims this week I wonder? too few

Jebus would be proud of you

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

The Yadda argument: - yes, gandalf doesn't advocate or support murder in the name of islam - but gandalf is a muslim, who follows *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of islam - therefore gandalf supports murder in the name of islam.

gandalf,

You talk about *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of ISLAM.

And you claim, that i claim that you are really a 'moslem' who is defined by *MY* [Yadda's] interpretation of ISLAM.


But you did not address these QUESTIONS that i addressed to you,
.....CONCERNING YOUR OWN - UNDECLARED - DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS TO 'LAWFULLY' BE A MOSLEM - AS SET OUT BY ISLAM ITSELF.



gandalf,

Would you like to address those questions now ?





Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 8:44pm: Sorry, I must be still missing it. I'll just clarify my position (again), and hopefully it will answer whatever you want answered: - I support secularism - I support democracy - I oppose dictatorships Opposing dictatorships means all dictatorships - whether they be secular or religious. Saying I support secularism doesn't mean I support secular dictators - Clear? gandalf, If you endorse and support secularism ['secularism', that is condemned as a CAPITAL CRIME, by ISLAMIC religious texts] so wholeheartedly, then in what sense are you a 'moslem' ? And [please, do tell us all] how do you, as a moslem, define ISLAMIC apostasy ? i.e. #1, What legal authority [emanating from within ISLAM], guides your 'determinations' as to apostasy ? #2, What are the 'legal' characteristics of a devout moslem ? #3, And what are the 'legal' characteristics which confirm a moslem apostate [i.e. a person who is religiously denounced as a 'hypocrite', by the body of devout moslems, the ummah] ? gandalf, Do your really want us [those who read your posts here on OzPol] to believe that you, 1/ speak truthfully, and that, 2/ you really, really, sincerely, consider yourself to be a 'rightly guided' moslem ? gandalf, I do not doubt that you may sincerely consider yourself to be a 'rightly guided' moslem. But, please explain to us, WHAT IS THE LEGAL BASIS [FROM WITHIN ISLAM], WHICH CONFIRMS YOUR 'RIGHTLY GUIDED MOSLEM' STATUS ?

Gandalf's beliefs:

- there is no capital punishment for 'secularism' in Islamic Law - in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran.

- there is no Islamic earthly punishment for crimes of thought - including apostasy and blasphemy

- Islam emphasises personal responsibilities between individuals and God Almighty - not enforcement of "Islamic Law" by a temporal government run by mortal men

- The "Islamic legal basis" for these claims is the Quran itself - a document that is 99% about the personal, spiritual journey an individual muslim should pursue to obtain enlightenment - which includes being nice to people and (very importantly) not forcing your views on to others.

- I hold with the greatest contempt the invoking of alleged ahadith that quotes Muhammad as saying "above all else, make sure you are a royal front bottoms to all non-muslims" - and other such teachings.

Gandalf's personal beliefs couldn't be a more polar opposite to the muslim beliefs as alleged by Yadda. And the great irony here is that it is Yadda who is the hateful and intolerant one - and would happilly see the institutionalised persecution of people for their personal beliefs. In truth, he is the very caricature that he lectures against day in day out.

gandalf wrote:
Quote:

in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran.

Lies lies and more lies from the muslims.

Killing is part and parcel of islam

The penalty for those who cause corruption is torture and murder (capital punishment)


qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

muslims and their apologists try to tell us that 5.32 is proof that islam is a religion of peace, when in fact it is part and parcel of two verses which clearly teach that it is perfectly acceptable to torture and murder (capital punishment for) those you consider are causing corruption.

Who causes corruption and is worthy of torture and murder (capital punishment)?


Quote:

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers. qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers." qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

People who say they are believers, but are not believers (hypocrites), they are corrupters. islam preaches that muslims are to torture and murder hypocrites / corrupters.

muhammad even gave his own personal blood crazed mass murdering character divine sanctity

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Gandalf's beliefs: - there is no capital punishment for 'secularism' in Islamic Law - in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran. - there is no Islamic earthly punishment for crimes of thought - including apostasy and blasphemy - Islam emphasises personal responsibilities between individuals and God Almighty - not enforcement of "Islamic Law" by a temporal government run by mortal men - The "Islamic legal basis" for these claims is the Quran itself - a document that is 99% about the personal, spiritual journey an individual muslim should pursue to obtain enlightenment - which includes being nice to people and (very importantly) not forcing your views on to others. - I hold with the greatest contempt the invoking of alleged ahadith that quotes Muhammad as saying "above all else, make sure you are a royal nice people to all non-muslims" - and other such teachings. Gandalf's personal beliefs couldn't be a more polar opposite to the muslim beliefs as alleged by Yadda. And the great irony here is that it is Yadda who is the hateful and intolerant one - and would happilly see the institutionalised persecution of people for their personal beliefs. In truth, he is the very caricature that he lectures against day in day out.

gandalf,

You calmly make these claims [above].

Claims which are wholly unsubstantiated - by you.




So gandalf, i offer you the opportunity to redeem yourself;

Please tell all of us, where are the Koran passages, "the only source muslims should be using", which can actually give credibility to your assertions ?




Lets talk about.......

Credibility.

The factor which is lacking from almost every publicly issued communication emanating from a moslem community which is resident within a host NON-moslem nation.



Dictionary;
credible = = able to be believed; convincing.



e.g.

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."
     - The Muslim Council of Britain





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THE KORAN PREACHES PEACE AND BROTHERLY LOVE......honest.              :P


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111





ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

moses wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

gandalf wrote: Quote: in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran. Lies lies and more lies from the muslims. Killing is part and parcel of islam

Just as it is a part of most religions...   ::)

moses wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

gandalf wrote: Quote: in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran. Lies lies and more lies from the muslims. Killing is part and parcel of islam

Yes most other religions don't have it in their doctrine for present day consumption.

Since islam was written by an angry arab it thrives on the killing teaching making it part and parcel unlike most other religions. When a muslim murders people he gleefully quotes the quran in context. When others murder somebody any religious quotes are usually out of context and they are just hiding behind the religions banner. In islam its perfectly ok to slay the kafir. It takes sick minds to think thats normal but thats the world we live in.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

yes, I think thats the point Baron was making stratos. Muslims are absolutely never ever the victim of hate crime - with the sole exception of Ahmadi Muslims. Any instance of non-Ahmadi muslims being attacked either a) didn't happen or b) can be explained away as not related to religion. The world according to Baron. And he will always be there - tirelessly apologising for islamophobic hate crimes

The Ft Hood attack and the beheading of that woman were called workplace violence, can we expect more workplace violence from muslims Gandalf?

This was nothing more than a parking dispute by a lefty who supported Islam and the ground zero mosque while giving it to all other religions.
www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/12/report-chapel-hill-shooter-hicks-defended-ground-zero-mosque

One of the victims was your usual jew hating muslim racist who wanted to go to Syria-
gotnews.com/analysis-chapelhillshooting-victims-anti-semitic-anti-zionist-pro-syrian-terrorist-tweets

This is nothing more than a parking dispute Gandalf,where is your evidence they were targeted because they were muslim?

Funny how the police doing the actual investigation haven't yet made a determination to whether or not it was a hate crime.

But as always, Baron's got it all figured. No need for this pesky evidence thing when we're talking about muslim victims. Like I said, any instance of non-Ahmadi muslims being attacked either a) didn't happen or b) can be explained away as not related to religion. Always absolutely never ever on stilts.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Gandalf's beliefs: - there is no capital punishment for 'secularism' in Islamic Law - in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran. - there is no Islamic earthly punishment for crimes of thought - including apostasy and blasphemy - Islam emphasises personal responsibilities between individuals and God Almighty - not enforcement of "Islamic Law" by a temporal government run by mortal men - The "Islamic legal basis" for these claims is the Quran itself - a document that is 99% about the personal, spiritual journey an individual muslim should pursue to obtain enlightenment - which includes being nice to people and (very importantly) not forcing your views on to others. - I hold with the greatest contempt the invoking of alleged ahadith that quotes Muhammad as saying "above all else, make sure you are a royal nice people to all non-muslims" - and other such teachings. Gandalf's personal beliefs couldn't be a more polar opposite to the muslim beliefs as alleged by Yadda. And the great irony here is that it is Yadda who is the hateful and intolerant one - and would happilly see the institutionalised persecution of people for their personal beliefs. In truth, he is the very caricature that he lectures against day in day out.

Gandalf is not a Muslim.
He has certainly not read the Koran. Or can't do stats.

Or both.


Sorry - or all three - er... insh'allah.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2015 at 12:17am:

moses wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 3:54pm: gandalf wrote: Quote: in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all - according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran. Lies lies and more lies from the muslims. Killing is part and parcel of islam Just as it is a part of most religions...   ::)

REally?  Where does Christianity advocate the killing on non-Christians, Brain?

Soren knows because Soren has definitely read the Quran cover to cover and knows exactly what he is talking about.

right Soren?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Funny how the police doing the actual investigation haven't yet made a determination to whether or not it was a hate crime. But as always, Baron's got it all figured. No need for this pesky evidence thing when we're talking about muslim victims. Like I said, any instance of non-Ahmadi muslims being attacked either a) didn't happen or b) can be explained away as not related to religion. Always absolutely never ever on stilts.

I thought the police said it was a parking dispute,his neighbors said he had a long history of being pissed off when people parked in his spot.

How is this related to religion he was a leftist who stuck up for muslims until they parked in his spot.
nytimes.com/2015/02/13/us/chapel-hill-neighbors-say-they-felt-threatened-by-man-held-in-killings.html?_r=0

You should realise my sh1t is Akbar. ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:31pm:

I thought the police said it was a parking dispute

No Baron, don't lie - you didn't think at all. You jump to conclusions as always.

From your own link:


Quote:

Mr. Hicks’s behavior as a neighbor has become central to a debate about whether the killings were a hate crime — a possibility still being investigated by the local police.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

Soren knows because Soren has definitely read the Quran cover to cover and knows exactly what he is talking about. right Soren?

"Quran itself - a document that is 99% about the personal, spiritual journey an individual muslim should pursue to obtain enlightenment "


You are exaggerating outrageously, Gandy, like some carpet salesman from the souk.

Quote:

............"Quran itself - a document that is 99% about the personal, spiritual journey an individual muslim should pursue to obtain enlightenment "..............

yes, lopping off the hand and alternate foot of a thief, beheading those that draw cartoons of moh .

that is muslim enlightenment

Both Soren and Sprint speak with the authority of their extensive knowledge of the Quran.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

Both Soren and Sprint speak with the authority of their extensive knowledge of the Quran.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

And the Koran's followers' deeds, the Koran's fruits, are terrible.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

Both Soren and Sprint speak with the authority of their extensive knowledge of the Quran.

Really?  Are you sure of that one, G?   ::)