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THE Islamic State group in Libya has released a video purportedly showing the beheading of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians, prompting Egypt’s president to threaten a “suitable” punishment for the killings. President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said his country reserved the right to “punish these murderers” as he called a meeting of security chiefs and declared seven days of mourning after the video was released by jihadists on social media. The footage released by IS online shows 21 handcuffed hostages wearing orange jumpsuits being beheaded by their black-suited captors in a coastal area the group said was in the Libyan province of Tripoli. In the latest issue of the IS online magazine Dabiq, the group said the same number of Egyptian hostages were being held in Libya. The Coptic Church issued a statement saying it was “confident” the killers would be brought to justice as it confirmed those beheaded were Egyptian Copts, while Al-Azhar, the prestigious Cairo-based seat of Islamic learning, denounced the “barbaric” killings. Egyptian state television broadcast some of the footage from the IS video without showing the beheadings but showed the hostages marched along by their captors on a beach. “Egypt reserves the right to respond in a suitable way and time to punish these murderers,” a visibly angry Sisi said in a televised speech. The security body that is meeting in Cairo includes Sisi, his defence and interior ministers and military commanders. Egypt last year denied reports of having carried out air strikes on Islamists in Libya, but US officials said its ally the United Arab Emirates carried out the strikes using Egyptian bases. French President Francois Hollande, whose government has agreed to sell Egypt advanced Rafale fighter jets, expressed his “concern at the expansion of Daesh in Libya,” referring to the Islamic State group. The group has been hammered by a US-led air strikes in Iraq and Syria after it took over swathes of the two countries, and has active affiliates in Egypt and Libya. Sunday’s video, entitled “A message signed with blood to the nation of the cross”, has a scrolling caption in the first few seconds referring to the hostages as “People of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian Church”. One of the masked captors, wearing a military uniform and pointing a knife to the camera said in English: “Today we are in the south of Rome, in the land of Islam Libya... the sea you have hidden Sheikh Osama bin Laden’s body in, we swear to Allah we will mix it with your blood.” Al-Qa’ida founder Bin Laden was shot and killed in a dramatic helicopter raid by US special forces in Pakistan in the early hours of May 2, 2011 and later buried at sea in an unidentified location. The footage posted online by the Islamic State group shows the handcuffed Coptic hostages in orange jumpsuits being led along a beach, each accompanied by a masked militant. The men are made to kneel and one militant addresses the camera in English before the men are simultaneously beheaded. The makers of the video identify themselves as the Tripoli Province of the Islamic State group — the Islamic militant group that controls about a third of Syria and Iraq. Militants in Libya claiming affiliation with the Islamic State group had been holding 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians hostage for weeks. The security body groups includes Mr Sisi, his defence and interior ministers and top military figures in Egypt, which last year denied reports of having carried out air strikes on Islamists in Libya. Mr al-Sisi said Egypt reserves the right to respond to the atrocity in a “suitable way”. “Egypt reserves the right to respond in a suitable way and time to punish these murderers,” he said in a televised speech.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-claims-beheading-of-coptic-christians-in-libya/story-e6frg6so-1227220891009

any comments from the islamic symapthisers here ?

Not sure why the west wanted Gaddafi gone.

Although he was a dictator he did look after his people.

Democracy is not just about elections or political parties. True democracy is also about human rights. During the NATO bombardment of Libya , western media conveniently forgot to mention that the United Nations had just prepared a lengthy dossier praising Mr. Gaddafi's human rights achievements. The UN report commended Libya for bettering its "legal protections" for citizens, making human rights a "priority," improving women's rights, educational opportunities and access to housing. During Mr. Gaddafi's era housing was considered a human right. Consequently, there was virtually no homelessness or Libyans living under bridges. How many Libyan homes and bridges did NATO destroy?

One area where the United Nations Human Rights Council praised Mr. Gaddafi profusely is women's rights. Unlike many other nations in the Arab world, women in Libya had the right to education, hold jobs, divorce, hold property and have an income. When Colonel Gaddafi seized power in 1969, few women went to university. Today more than half of Libya 's university students are women. One of the first laws Mr. Gaddafi passed in 1970 was an equal pay for equal work law, only a few years after a similar law was passed in the U.S. In fact, Libyan working mothers enjoyed a range of benefits including cash bonuses for children, free day care, free health care centres and retirement at 55.

only one offthread comment

no ideas muslims here ?

no comments from any muslim ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

only one offthread comment

The Islamic apologists never say anything when Christians are the victims of muslims, they squeal like a stuck pig at the slightest  idea of islamophobia like graffiti at a mosque.

$Profit Mo had a Coptic Christian sex slave called Maria, she gave Mo his only son called Ibrahim who died aged 2.

The headhacking from the religion of peace continues, the latest victims are Copts.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 11:28pm: only one offthread comment The Islamic apologists never say anything when Christians are the victims of muslims, they squeal like a stuck pig at the slightest  idea of islamophobia like graffiti at a mosque. $Profit Mo had a Coptic Christian sex slave called Maria, she gave Mo his only son called Ibrahim who died aged 2. The headhacking from the religion of peace continues, the latest victims are Copts.

Dumbest post ever.

Extreme athiests like yourself, herb, adamant and co hardly ever write in defence of the muslims who get slaughtered, bombed, homes destroyed, land stolen or about any ill's towards the muslim poulation.



Nice try Baron

wally1 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 5:12am:

Extreme athiests like yourself, herb, adamant and co hardly ever write in defence of the muslims who get slaughtered, bombed, homes destroyed, land stolen or about any ill's towards the muslim poulation.

Oh thats not fair. Baron has plenty to say about muslim victims - he tirelessly makes up stories to "prove" it either never happens or that they are to blame.

Quote:

The footage released by IS online shows 21 handcuffed hostages wearing orange jumpsuits being beheaded by their black-suited captors in a coastal area the group said was in the Libyan province of Tripoli.

How can Muslims do this?

They are devils.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

only one offthread comment no ideas muslims here ? no comments from any muslim ?

its bad mmmmkay

So what were these Christian Egyptian men doing in Libya anyway? Were they acting as mercenaries?

If you enter a war zone, and help a particular side, should you be surprised that the other side would do you in?

Did IS enter Egypt and hunt them down or did the Egyptians come to IS?

Is context important?

Julius Abbott wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

So what were these Christian Egyptian men doing in Libya anyway? Were they acting as mercenaries? If you enter a war zone, and help a particular side, should you be surprised that the other side would do you in? Did IS enter Egypt and hunt them down or did the Egyptians come to IS? Is context important?

They went there to work, do you think they received a fair payment in return?

wally1 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Not sure why the west wanted Gaddafi gone. Although he was a dictator he did look after his people. Democracy is not just about elections or political parties. True democracy is also about human rights. During the NATO bombardment of Libya , western media conveniently forgot to mention that the United Nations had just prepared a lengthy dossier praising Mr. Gaddafi's human rights achievements. The UN report commended Libya for bettering its "legal protections" for citizens, making human rights a "priority," improving women's rights, educational opportunities and access to housing. During Mr. Gaddafi's era housing was considered a human right. Consequently, there was virtually no homelessness or Libyans living under bridges. How many Libyan homes and bridges did NATO destroy? One area where the United Nations Human Rights Council praised Mr. Gaddafi profusely is women's rights. Unlike many other nations in the Arab world, women in Libya had the right to education, hold jobs, divorce, hold property and have an income. When Colonel Gaddafi seized power in 1969, few women went to university. Today more than half of Libya 's university students are women. One of the first laws Mr. Gaddafi passed in 1970 was an equal pay for equal work law, only a few years after a similar law was passed in the U.S. In fact, Libyan working mothers enjoyed a range of benefits including cash bonuses for children, free day care, free health care centres and retirement at 55.

He also had his own torture chamber where he used he would watch porn an rape women. He was kind to people of his own tribe but absolutely ruthless to all others.

His own countrymen killed him what does that say about him.

You should get out more and stop being a one eyed racist bigot! ;D :o 8-) ::) :D :D ::) 8-) :o ;D

wally1 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 5:12am:

defence of the muslims who get slaughtered, bombed, homes destroyed, land stolen or about any ill's towards the muslim poulation.

Where is this happening?

Who is doing it?

These People perhaps?

http://videos.videopress.com/2bvZPwin/syrian-soldiers-beheaded_hd.mp4

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 11:28pm: only one offthread comment no ideas muslims here ? no comments from any muslim ? its bad mmmmkay

‘Stand for the People of the Cross’ – Martin Place, Sydney from 2.00pm
Posted by Sarah on February 17th, 2015

Join us this Sunday at Martin Place and ‘Stand for the People of the Cross’.

In light of ISIS’ brutal murder of 21 innocent Coptic Christians, the Australian Coptic Movement Association (ACM) is holding an event, “Stand for the People of the Cross” this Sunday, 22 February at Martin Place Amphitheatre from 2:00pm.

This latest attack has sent shockwaves throughout the entire Australian Coptic community and around the world. We are gathering at Martin Place to:

* honour our Christian martyrs who paid the ultimate sacrifice for their faith;
* show our solidarity with the families of the victims;
* demand the international community take swift and decisive action against ISIS-affiliated groups in North Africa;
* urge the Australian government to support the Egyptian government’s call for a UN mandate for an international coalition to intervene in Libya; and
* request that the Australian government grant special consideration for the inclusion of Coptic Christians in North Africa in any humanitarian intake.

We encourage and urge anyone who might be sympathetic to our cause to attend this event. Your attendance is vital.

enquiries: info@auscma.com or call 0418 331 213


http://www.auscma.com/2015/02/stand-for-the-people-of-the-cross-martin-place-sydney-from-2-00pm/

Gandy, see you there on Sunday, mmkay?

You would be disappointed if any muslims showed up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 6:34am:

You would be disappointed if any muslims showed up.

I would be very surprised if Muslims staged a mass demonstration in defence of minorities in 'Muslim lands', including Jews and Christians (not just an intra-islam detente demonstration for shia-sunni unity).

you mean like this or this?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

you mean like this or this?

No, not at all like [url=. This is piss weak crap (cudos to the people who did it though. No Australian Muslims like you have managed anything even this weak). 
If 1.6 billion Muslims can muster 300 protesters after 100 were killed, then you are worse that I though.



[url=//www.nydailynews.com/news/world/muslims-return-favor-join-hands-christian-protesters-mass-cairo-tahrir-square-article-1.137961]Thiswas a Christian initiative.


I want to see Muslims spontaneously, in large numbers, come to the streets across the world and demonstrate that they are not sectarian 7th century lunatics. ANd then go back home and demonstrate the same in their actions.

Not reflexively cling to the "victimhood is easy way out of personal responsibility" caper.  You are full members of western societies. You should not be expecting funding (bakhshish) for getting your won house in order and to get your disfunctional radicals under control. They are your creatures, they are your responsibility.


The shape of Islam is your responsibility. You are not victims of anyone but other Muslims, supposedly a tiny minority. How can your 'vast majority' be held at ransom by such a supposedly tiny minority?

I think it is because they are not such a tiny minority.

they can muster 1000's worldwide against cartoons.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 6:34am:

You would be disappointed if any muslims showed up.

I thought it was funny the muslims forming a ring of satan around the building overseas protecting it from their own kind.

Priceless

Quote:

Attackers in the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka have hacked to death a US-Bangladeshi blogger whose writings on religion angered Islamist hardliners. Avijit Roy, an atheist who advocated secularism, was attacked as he walked back from a book fair with his wife, who was also hurt in the attack. No-one has been arrested but police say they are investigating a local Islamist group that praised the killing. Hundreds of people gathered in Dhaka to mourn the blogger's death. Mr Roy's family say he received threats after publishing articles promoting secular views, science and social issues on his Bengali-language blog, Mukto-mona (Free Mind). He defended atheism in a recent Facebook post, calling it a "rational concept to oppose any unscientific and irrational belief". His Mukto-mona website on Friday bore the message in Bengali "we are grieving but we shall overcome" against a black background. 'Den of militants' A group of men ambushed the couple, who live in the US and were visiting Dhaka only to attend the book festival, as they walked toward a roadside tea stall. At least two of the attackers hit the couple with meat cleavers in the attack on Thursday evening, police chief Sirajul Islam told AP news agency. Dropping their weapons, the attackers ran away, disappearing into the crowds. Police told the BBC they were investigating a local hard-line religious group that had praised the killing in an online message. Ajay Roy, father of the dead man, urged the authorities to find the killers and "ensure exemplary punishment". "This Bangladesh which was built by the blood-sacrifice of the martyrs has now turned into a den of militants," he said. 'Virus' of extremism In a forthcoming article to be published in the Free Inquiry magazine of April-May 2015, Mr Roy likens religious extremism to a "highly contagious virus". He says he received threats from Islamist hardliners in Bangladesh last year when his book, The Virus of Faith, was released at a book fair. "The death threats started flowing to my e-mail inbox on a regular basis," he writes. "I suddenly found myself a target of militant Islamists and terrorists. A well-known extremist... openly issued death threats to me through his numerous Facebook entries. "In one widely circulated status, he writes, 'Avijit Roy lives in America and so, it is not possible to kill him right now. But he will be murdered when he comes back.'" The killing in early 2013 of another secular blogger, Ahmed Rajib Haider, which was blamed on religious hardliners, sparked protests from free-speech supporters and counter-protests from Islamists. The police say the attack on Mr Roy was similar to the 2013 murder. Prominent writer Taslima Nasreen had to leave Bangladesh after she received death threats from hard-line Islamists in the mid-1990s. She wrote on her blog: "Avijit Roy has been killed the way other free thinker writers were killed in Bangladesh. No free thinker is safe in Bangladesh. "Islamic terrorists can do whatever they like. They can kill people with no qualms whatsoever."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31656222

islam the death cult

Islam the death cult

& also the pedophile cult:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424940823/30#35

Gandalf - do you have any comment on the 'misbehaviour' of these murderous muslims ?

that is what you have called murder by a muslim.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

Gandalf - do you have any comment on the 'misbehaviour' of these murderous muslims ? that is what you have called murder by a muslim.

see reply#7

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 11:28pm: only one offthread comment no ideas muslims here ? no comments from any muslim ? its bad mmmmkay

hardly what I would call decisive.
Also, that was about a previous murder by a muslim against an infidel .

I detest islam. it is a repressive death cult.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17th, 2015 at 3:54pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 11:28pm: only one offthread comment no ideas muslims here ? no comments from any muslim ? its bad mmmmkay hardly what I would call decisive. Also, that was about a previous murder by a muslim against an infidel . I detest islam. it is a repressive death cult.

Keep working on Gandalf, Sprint.  You only have 800 million other Muslims to work on to get a majority to support your views on their religion...   ::)

Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

you mean like this or this?

Not to mention the so called ring of peace beat up which turned out all bogus along with chants of stop islamophbia ROFL. Once again the unlearned babble on about islam and trot out BS. The blind following the blind.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families.

it's hard for cult members to leave that cult.
It is all the know and are, for muslims it is likely what their parents are, what all their friends are.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families.

And your evidence for this is?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families. And your evidence for this is?   ::)

The quran.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:06pm: SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families. And your evidence for this is?   ::) The quran.

The doesn't describe what happens today, to "most Muslims"...   ::)

If you say so bubblehead. ::)

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

If you say so bubblehead. ::)

Still having problems accepting criticism, Anti-Anthrax/Matty/Adam?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:28pm: If you say so bubblehead. ::) Still having problems accepting criticism, Anti-Anthrax/Matty/Adam?   ::)

Well lets see, you never posted a criticism, only your opinion. Secondly you usually always end your silly sock posts in accusing posters of being other people much like the moderator of the islam forum does. Yes very believable.

Being criticized by you, if in fact this was the case, would be a confirmation in any case that the poster was on the money in the first place. So I fail to see why anyone would have problems at all accepting  criticism from you. ::)

It seems you have deluded yourself with visions of grandeur and paranoia.

Do keep up the great work old chap.

Chin Chin

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:06pm: SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families. And your evidence for this is?   ::) The quran.

Correct answer

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:06pm: SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families. And your evidence for this is?   ::) The quran. Correct answer

The Imam has spoken!  ::)

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

Chin Chin

Not sure why you feel it necessary throw around Japanese vulgarities.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 12:32am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 3:31pm: SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:06pm: SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Not really most would leave islam in a heartbeat if they weren't ostracised or beaten up for doing so and excommunicated from their families. And your evidence for this is?   ::) The quran. Correct answer The Imam has spoken!  ::)

Yeah, yeah, you must be authorised by Muslims to talk about Islam. Must speak Arabic, must be a scholar - but then there are no authorities in Islam when a particular Muslim beheads an aid worker or 4.

You Muslim apologists have unbelievably more front than Myers.

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

Yeah, yeah, you must be authorised by Muslims to talk about Islam. Must speak Arabic, must be a scholar - but then there are no authorities in Islam when a particular Muslim beheads an aid worker or 4. You Muslim apologists have unbelievably more front than Myers.

Yes, Soren, what ever you say...   ::)

New federal police commissioner says Martin Place siege not a Muslim issue  :o

Quote:

..........Early on, hostages were seen holding an Islamic black flag up against the window of the café, with the shahādah creed written on it in Arabic.[15][16] Initially some media mistook it for the flag used by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL); the gunman demanded that an ISIL flag be brought to him during the siege....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis



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...........At the time of his death he had recently converted from Shia Islam to Sunni Islam, and pledged his allegiance to the caliphate declared by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Haron_Monis


Quote:

.............. Monis posted to his website: Islam is the religion of peace, that's why Muslims fight against the oppression and terrorism of USA and its allies including UK and Australia. If we stay silent towards the criminals we cannot have a peaceful society. The more you fight with crime, the more peaceful you are. Islam wants peace on the Earth, that's why Muslims want to stop terrorism of America and its allies. When you speak out against crime you have taken one step towards peace.[19] ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Haron_Monis

muslims lie almost constantly
no wonder they can't stand their own countries.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 6:39pm: Yeah, yeah, you must be authorised by Muslims to talk about Islam. Must speak Arabic, must be a scholar - but then there are no authorities in Islam when a particular Muslim beheads an aid worker or 4. You Muslim apologists have unbelievably more front than Myers. Yes, Soren, what ever you say...   ::) New federal police commissioner says Martin Place siege not a Muslim issue  :o

He is wrong.

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 7:12pm: Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 6:39pm: Yeah, yeah, you must be authorised by Muslims to talk about Islam. Must speak Arabic, must be a scholar - but then there are no authorities in Islam when a particular Muslim beheads an aid worker or 4. You Muslim apologists have unbelievably more front than Myers. Yes, Soren, what ever you say...   ::) New federal police commissioner says Martin Place siege not a Muslim issue  :o He is wrong.

He isn't, Soren.  Some people see beyond Islamophobia, you realise?   ::)

Hi Brian...

Sorry to interrupt the debate...you guys are clearly hard at it. I couldn't help but laugh out loud when I read the claim that the new Federal Police Commissioner doesn't believe that the Martin Place siege was a "Muslim issue"...

Umm...errr...Man Monis had his hostages hang a Black "Shahada Creed" Flag in the window of the Lindt café!

I'm wondering what further evidence he nrequires to deduce that this appalling "Lone wolf attack" was religiously inspired......

I noted with similar amazement that the same New Fed Chief tried to absolve the Feds from all responsibility for handing Chan and Sukumaran to the Indonesian Police on a platter!

I think we can safely say that the new Fed Police Commissioner hasn't started well!

Matty/Et Al.   I'm sorry you appear to look only at the superficialities of what happened in Martin Place.    ::)

Brian...on your comment re "Superficiality"

Let the dead answer!

Cheers
Umma

ummagumma wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 9:52am:

Brian...on your comment re "Superficiality" Let the dead answer! Cheers Umma

How can we sort out who shot who?   The dead are dead.  From my understanding Monis was OK until he got tired.  Perhaps we should blame the Sandman?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D