Gandalf has stated this to be true!

So....

The why do some companies have to pay halal certification for milk?

Is it a muslim mafia scam?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPngzSE94o

Above is the movie that a muslim scammer (halal certifier) in Sydney is suing the Q Society for. The woman points out the criminal activity that Halal Certifiers use, a man in Perth was forced to pay, or go bankrupt.

It is well worth watching. It will teach you what others get up to in the umma.

Maybe some people just like to be sure?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

people just like to be sure

Bismillah!

Problem solved!

Adamant wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 2:02pm: people just like to be sure Bismillah! Problem solved!

Misquoting people now Adam?  Tsk, tsk, just flaunting your Troll credentialis for all to see!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Is the word "processing" in your vocabulary adam?

Or do you think the milk you buy comes straight out of the cows udder with nothing done to it?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Is the word "processing" in your vocabulary adam? Or do you think the milk you buy comes straight out of the cows udder with nothing done to it?

Ever heard of "Brucellosis" Gandalf?

http://ideas.health.vic.gov.au/bluebook/brucellosis.asp

Did Mo have a test for that?

Would YOU GIVE IT TO YOUR FAMILY? It is only NATURAL after all!

You of course would advocate that ALL people should consume RAW MILK!

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/toddler-dies-four-children-seriously-ill-after-drinking-raw-cows-milk-20141210-124lx8.html

"States that allow the legal sale of raw milk for human consumption have more raw milk-related outbreaks of illness than states that do not allow raw milk to be sold legally. Experts also found that those sickened in raw milk outbreaks were 13 times more likely to be hospitalized than those who got ill from pasteurized milk during an outbreak".

On top of that did MO have the information to stop the following.....

Mastitis, bovine tuberculosis and animal faeces coming into  contact with milk.

You are a looser on this one Gandalf . The West has saved the Kufre  muslims from themselves.

Nothing more than a w anker that's you!

It is an EXTORTION RACKET BY MUSLIMS!

Time to fess up, eh Gandalf!

Camel urine fixes that.

Why waste your time on gandalf he doesn't represent islam nor muslims. A cursory look at his posts tells one he doesn't know much about islam at all.

There are too many bored attention seekers playing the pretend muslim card for attention. I haven't seen one real muslim here on ozpol to be honest that knows what a true muslim knows as far as knowledge goes. It is entertaining though watching the feigned indignant appearance of the get a rise seekers.

Gandalf refuses to answer a legitimate question about the EXTORTION RACKETS as practised by MUSLIMS!

THATS A FACT!

WHY?

Does he take a cut????

Why would someone be SO defensive IF NOT?

Adamant wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Gandalf refuses to answer a legitimate question about the EXTORTION RACKETS

What extortion racket would that be then? Feel free to answer my question in the previous thread about how it can be extortion if the companies have no obligation at all to halal certify - no dependent halal source supplies - but certify anyway.

Feel free, ask away. But forgive me if I decide not to bother answering baseless accusations.

Adamant wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Does he take a cut????

Adamant wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Why would someone be SO defensive IF NOT?

some specific evidence that halal certification for milk is extortion will suffice adam.

Is that unreasonable?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 6:42pm:

some specific evidence that halal certification for milk is extortion will suffice adam. Is that unreasonable?

I gave it to you.

No, you still haven't explained how milk producers who decide to purchase halal certification are being extorted - even though their product doesn't source any ingredients that have to be modified in order to become halal.

The Byron Bay Cookie Company have resisted a vile campaign of intimidation against them for using halal certification on their products. For them, they are not only willing to get the certification, they are now fighting to keep it. How do you feel, adam, about intimidating Australian companies who refuse to buy into the islamophobic scaremongering campaign?

For the actual people involved, its a great business opportunity. The bigots not only have no clue about what they are being hysterical about, they are trying to hurt Australian companies. And they have the hide to call themselves patriots.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:

Why waste your time on gandalf he doesn't represent islam nor muslims. A cursory look at his posts tells one he doesn't know much about islam at all. There are too many bored attention seekers playing the pretend muslim card for attention. I haven't seen one real muslim here on ozpol to be honest that knows what a true muslim knows as far as knowledge goes. It is entertaining though watching the feigned indignant appearance of the get a rise seekers.

Yes, my friend, it is so. Insh’allah, I am the only true Muselman here.

By the grace of Gud, I learn all there is to know from your fine posts, isn’t it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

The Byron Bay Cookie Company have resisted a vile campaign of intimidation against them for using halal certification on their products. For them, they are not only willing to get the certification, they are now fighting to keep it. How do you feel, adam, about intimidating Australian companies who refuse to buy into the islamophobic scaremongering campaign? For the actual people involved, its a great business opportunity. The bigots not only have no clue about what they are being hysterical about, they are trying to hurt Australian companies. And they have the hide to call themselves patriots.

Hmm a vile campaign of intimidation. What was vile about the campaign and what was intimidating ?

Describe this so called islamophobic scaremongering campaign. Why is it islamophobic thats a bit of a laugh and why is it scaremongering who is getting scared ? Oh and tell us about the campaign who runs it and how does it work ?


The owner of the cookie company said and I quote

"The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said."


The definition of HALAL:

Halal products are derived from animals and/or poultry that have been prepared according to Islamic law under the following statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar”.


So I take it the cookie factory is not HAHAL then since the food is not prepared under that religious statement. Given that fact its just a scam and rort.

Further more the owner of the cookie company states.

"But in the food industry the Halal certification also shows that there's no alcohol in our ingredients and so depending on the ingredient we get audited to say that there's no alcohol use in our production and that our production site is of an acceptable level of cleanliness and hygiene," Mr Byrne said.

Being a so called Australian has he ever heard of putting NO ALCOHOL and the appropriate ISO classification on his products. The premises has to be inspected and cleanliness and hygiene checked by the government anyway so he can keep on trading with food anyway so that is a laugh to roll that chestnut out. In essence his arguments for being halal certified are moot.

Words are cheap unless of course you are Kafrophobic. I am sure your response will be very well informed as usual since you claim to know all about islam. :D

Do Carry on.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

No, you still haven't explained how milk producers who decide to purchase halal certification are being extorted - even though their product doesn't source any ingredients that have to be modified in order to become halal. The Byron Bay Cookie Company have resisted a vile campaign of intimidation against them for using halal certification on their products. For them, they are not only willing to get the certification, they are now fighting to keep it. How do you feel, adam, about intimidating Australian companies who refuse to buy into the islamophobic scaremongering campaign? For the actual people involved, its a great business opportunity. The bigots not only have no clue about what they are being hysterical about, they are trying to hurt Australian companies. And they have the hide to call themselves patriots.

Halal certification in the West is a scam, it's a form of jizya. 

Halal slaughter is barbaric. Boycott it.



Imagine Jews going around demanding money for kosher certification on the off chance of exporting to Israel or other observant Jewish markets.i

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 11:44pm:

The owner of the cookie company said and I quote "The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said." The definition of HALAL: Halal products are derived from animals and/or poultry that have been prepared according to Islamic law under the following statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar”.

Your definition is BS. Animals and poultry is only part of it. Halal also means there is no alcohol, among other things. The cookie company undergoes an inspection by halal certifiers so that they can tell their muslim customers "rest assured, there is no non-halal contaminents going into our products". This is good for business - deal with it.

But even if somehow you had some coherent point about the legitimacy of the certification process, you still haven't explained how it is a rort - given that the company itself is voluntarily going out to get the certification - and not only that, but are now fighting against the bigots to keep it.

Explain the rort please - any of you.

Quote:

Milk is HALAL!

Yes, but is it kosher?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

The Byron Bay Cookie Company have resisted a vile campaign of intimidation against them for using halal certification on their products.

Gandalf, in what way was it vile and intimidating?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:53am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 11:44pm: The owner of the cookie company said and I quote "The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said." The definition of HALAL: Halal products are derived from animals and/or poultry that have been prepared according to Islamic law under the following statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar”. Your definition is BS. Animals and poultry is only part of it. Halal also means there is no alcohol, among other things. The cookie company undergoes an inspection by halal certifiers so that they can tell their muslim customers "rest assured, there is no non-halal contaminents going into our products". This is good for business - deal with it. But even if somehow you had some coherent point about the legitimacy of the certification process, you still haven't explained how it is a rort - given that the company itself is voluntarily going out to get the certification - and not only that, but are now fighting against the bigots to keep it. Explain the rort please - any of you.

Your post makes no sense and is incoherent, the definition was taken from the Islamic council of Victoria. It is a part of the Halal definition. Maybe you should LEARN something about islam before prattling off about it so much.

Given that fact the cookie companies food is NOT Halal and the so called Halal certifiers are not certifying halal at all that is utter BS according to what halal is by the Islamic council of Victoria. Google a bit more and you will appear like you are more muslim and maybe more believable.

You prattle on about so called bigots and yet islam forces every muslim to be exactly that about non halal foods. Do get a grip on reality Einstein and try learning more about islam before prattling on about it again.

The Byron Bay Cookie Company is certified by the Halal Certification Authority Australia.

The owner of the cookie company said and I quote

"The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said."


The Halal Certification Authority Australia States

CERTIFICATION PROCEDURE
An application form is sent.  Application Form
When the applicant returns the product information form, an information form is sent to each supplier if no Halal certificate exists.
Each supplier’s ingredient information is examined and if necessary tested.
If the material used and/or supplied found not to contain or having touched alcohol, pork, non-Halal meat or any other unacceptable material, than the same procedure is followed for the cleaning materials used.
An appointment is made to inspect the premises while in operation if the ingredients are satisfactory.
The inspector will:
6.1. Inspect the inward storage, preparation, packing and finished goods storage areas.
6.2. Examine all the material in storage.
6.3. Request to see the manufacturing flow chart.
6.4. Insure that the equipment and machinery are solely for Halal use.
6.5. Discuss the plan with the management.
The inspector shall submit a report of the visit with recommendations to the Imam.
The Imam shall study the report carefully and may make further recommendation, ask for changes or further inspections.
When the Imam is satisfied that the suppliers’ goods conform to Islamic dietary laws, an agreement will be entered into with each successful supplier.
When all the suppliers are approved, steps 5 to 9 are followed with the original applicant.
Halal Accreditation is given for qualifying products for one year.
Further random inspections are carried out where no meat is used; however permanent Muslims have to be employed in meat and poultry plants.
Meat used in Halal products must be from Halal animals slaughtered by Muslims under the supervision of the Authority’s representatives.




Now if its not a religious tax then there would be no mention of the words IMAM, Islam nor muslims. Nor the bigoted demand for muslims to be employed. Lets all hope they provide enough cash on their setup so the IMAM has a nice day. Too bad if he doesn't. As if a bloody IMAM sits there all day checking these.

Even the application only wants your basic details and ABN. It seems they must get on board as much as possible I would imagine.

An imam (/ɪˈmɑːm/; Arabic: إمام‎ imām, plural: أئمة aʼimmah; Persian: امام‎) is an Islamic leadership position. It is most commonly in the context of a worship leader of a mosque and Muslim community by Sunni Muslims. In this context, Imams may lead Islamic worship services, serve as community leaders, and provide religious guidance. For Shi'a Muslims, the Imam has a more central meaning and role in Islam through the concept of Imamah, the term is only applicable to those members of the house of the prophet ahl al-Bayt, designated as infallibles.[1] Imam may also be used in the form of a title for renowned Muslim scholars.

Maybe we have it all wrong and we must get an Islamic IMAM to give his stamp of approval on all our food. Lucky we have islam here to provide us with certification so we know our food is muslim safe.

No religious context, my ass. Why is the Byron Bay Cookie shop owner feel the need to lie then.

LEARN! what a rort.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

The Byron Bay Cookie Company is certified by the Halal Certification Authority Australia. The owner of the cookie company said and I quote "The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said." The Halal Certification Authority Australia States CERTIFICATION PROCEDURE An application form is sent.  Application Form When the applicant returns the product information form, an information form is sent to each supplier if no Halal certificate exists. Each supplier’s ingredient information is examined and if necessary tested. If the material used and/or supplied found not to contain or having touched alcohol, pork, non-Halal meat or any other unacceptable material, than the same procedure is followed for the cleaning materials used. An appointment is made to inspect the premises while in operation if the ingredients are satisfactory. The inspector will: 6.1. Inspect the inward storage, preparation, packing and finished goods storage areas. 6.2. Examine all the material in storage. 6.3. Request to see the manufacturing flow chart. 6.4. Insure that the equipment and machinery are solely for Halal use. 6.5. Discuss the plan with the management. The inspector shall submit a report of the visit with recommendations to the Imam. The Imam shall study the report carefully and may make further recommendation, ask for changes or further inspections. When the Imam is satisfied that the suppliers’ goods conform to Islamic dietary laws, an agreement will be entered into with each successful supplier. When all the suppliers are approved, steps 5 to 9 are followed with the original applicant. Halal Accreditation is given for qualifying products for one year. Further random inspections are carried out where no meat is used; however permanent Muslims have to be employed in meat and poultry plants. Meat used in Halal products must be from Halal animals slaughtered by Muslims under the supervision of the Authority’s representatives. Now if its not a religious tax then there would be no mention of the words IMAM, Islam nor muslims. Nor the bigoted demand for muslims to be employed. Lets all hope they provide enough cash on their setup so the IMAM has a nice day. Too bad if he doesn't. As if a bloody IMAM sits there all day checking these. Even the application only wants your basic details and ABN. It seems they must get on board as much as possible I would imagine. An imam (/ɪˈmɑːm/; Arabic: إمام‎ imām, plural: أئمة aʼimmah; Persian: امام‎) is an Islamic leadership position. It is most commonly in the context of a worship leader of a mosque and Muslim community by Sunni Muslims. In this context, Imams may lead Islamic worship services, serve as community leaders, and provide religious guidance. For Shi'a Muslims, the Imam has a more central meaning and role in Islam through the concept of Imamah, the term is only applicable to those members of the house of the prophet ahl al-Bayt, designated as infallibles.[1] Imam may also be used in the form of a title for renowned Muslim scholars. Maybe we have it all wrong and we must get an Islamic IMAM to give his stamp of approval on all our food. Lucky we have islam here to provide us with certification so we know our food is muslim safe. No religious context, my ass. Why is the Byron Bay Cookie shop owner feel the need to lie then. LEARN! what a rort.

What a shame you can't or won't, learn that is.   ::)

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 7:21pm: The Byron Bay Cookie Company have resisted a vile campaign of intimidation against them for using halal certification on their products. Gandalf, in what way was it vile and intimidating?

When the police are called in for causing distress to staff, its usually a pretty good sign of intimidation:


Quote:

"It hasn't been easy, we've had a lot of calls and emails that have been quite aggressive where we have had to ask the police to step in," Mr Byrne said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-25/byron-anzac-halal/5841118

But thats freeeeedom right?

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:58pm:

the definition was taken from the Islamic council of Victoria. It is a part of the Halal definition.

Correct - it is *PART* of the definition, which is why it is BS to post it as if its an exhaustive definition. Just a quick glance at the site you refer to, a salient part of that definition:


Quote:

Foods containing ingredients such as gelatin, enzymes, emulsifiers, and flavours are questionable, because the origin of these ingredients is not known.

http://www.icv.org.au/index.php/publications/what-is-halal

Sweets, including biscuits, routinely use such ingredients, and a product cannot be considered halal until it has been established that all the ingredients are halal.


SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Given that fact the cookie companies food is NOT Halal and the so called Halal certifiers are not certifying halal at all

You'll have to explain that one to me.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Correct - it is *PART* of the definition, which is why it is BS to post it as if its an exhaustive definition. Just a quick glance at the site you refer to, a salient part of that definition: Quote: Foods containing ingredients such as gelatin, enzymes, emulsifiers, and flavours are questionable, because the origin of these ingredients is not known. http://www.icv.org.au/index.php/publications/what-is-halal

It IS part of the definition and a salient part of that definition so your post is BS. Calling my post BS is ignorant. It IS part of the definition. All the other crap there is just waffle and was not worth spamming. Anyone can go there to read all the clap trap.

I don't need an exhaustive definition when one simple salient part of the definition proves my point.

I don't have to explain anything to your feigned ignorance. It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food.

If fact he said it had nothing to do with religion but a cursory look at the fuller or complete definition clearly shows its all Islamic BS.

Again certification it is just a rort. There is no need for it at all as stated.

Knowledge is Power.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:22pm:

It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food.

errm ok  :-?

You're even more incoherent than usual Matty.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 8:22pm: It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food. errm ok  :-? You're even more incoherent than usual Matty.

If you find it hard to comprehend nor form a coherent informed post then simply don't post. Maybe you could display your intellect and call me Matty one more time.

Or maybe you could form an Informed argument or rebuttal.
I doubt it given your track record troll.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:

errm ok

Can we get back to the topic of MILK now Gandalf?

You have yet to explain why a product the is halal has to be certified as such, care to do it now?

Bismillah, ahhhhh that's better!

Everything is better with a ice cold Bismillah. ;D

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:58pm:

If you find it hard to comprehend nor form a coherent informed post then simply don't post.

Personally I think its better to try and engage you and for you to respond it a civilized way without resorting to ad-homs. What do you think?

What do you mean by "It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food."?

Do you understand that halal certification doesn't require any chants or prayers - if the source ingredients are halal anyway? And do you understand that said certification is merely a confirmation that both the ingredients and processes are already halal?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:13pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 8:58pm: If you find it hard to comprehend nor form a coherent informed post then simply don't post. Personally I think its better to try and engage you and for you to respond it a civilized way without resorting to ad-homs. What do you think?

Things like calling people names like matty and sooking over salient excerpts trying to make out they don't apply?

Get a grip.


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:13pm:

What do you mean by "It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food."? Do you understand that halal certification doesn't require any chants or prayers - if the source ingredients are halal anyway? And do you understand that said certification is merely a confirmation that both the ingredients and processes are already halal?

According to your definition of Halal which clearly is not islamic. Like I said Learn before you post.

Adamant has tried to bring you back on topic how about you give him the courtesy of replying to him ?

There's a thought.

Adamant wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm: errm ok Can we get back to the topic of MILK now Gandalf? You have yet to explain why a product the is halal has to be certified as such, care to do it now? Bismillah, ahhhhh that's better!

It doesn't matter what I say - the only relevant point is there is a market for it, and companies are shrewd enough to want to cash in on it. Thats the point you continually ignore while you are too busy screaming "RORT! RORT!!" All you are trying to get me to say is that muslim consumers are stupid for wanting certification. But that doesn't make it a rort or extortion.

Start a campaign to educate muslims that all is required is to say 'bismilah', and eventually there might be no market. The fact is though, the market exists now, and companies are willing to pay money to cash in on that market. I honestly don't see where the rort is. What you call a rort is just some people being irrational and wanting silly things in the products that they buy (from your point of view). How is it any different to companies paying for gluten free labelling? Is that a rort too? Me saying that people are stupid for wanting gluten free products is totally and utterly irrelevant to the fact that there is a market for gluten free products, and that companies will therefore want to cash in on that market.

Can we think "MILK" Gandalf.

It was YOU who wanted one topic at a time, was it not?

Please answer the question matty, yasser_crackafat mohammad:


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:13pm:

What do you mean by "It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food."?

- in specific relation to why the halal certification industry is a rort/extortion.

"the only relevant point is there is a market for it, and companies are shrewd enough to want to cash in on it."

So here we have muslims definition of a market. To make companies that supply already halal products pay them a tax so it can be halal. So in a sense screw people over for something that is already halal and that is being shrewd by cashing in on peoples ignorance of the fact their product is already Halal. It sounds like that HALAL Truck LOL. What a rort.

This relying on peoples irrational fear of not keeping a fictitious god allah happy is ludicrous and plain deceitful. Just exploitation of their own people and other gullibles.

That is a rort of the system as plain as day.

Are we going to get yet another yodel that Gan can't see the rort Gee I wonder why.

Adamant wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:25pm:

Can we think "MILK" Gandalf. It was YOU who wanted one topic at a time, was it not?

I was talking about milk adamant.

Feel free to address the topic now. How is having a market for halal certified *MILK* and for *MILK* producers wanting to cash in on that market a rort/extortion?

It must be the same for *MILK* producers also going out and paying for gluten free labelling to cash in on the gluten-free market right? If not, why not?

Isn't it the case that what you describe as a rort/extortion (in the *MILK* industry) is merely your incredulity for why some people in our community would ever want to buy only products with halal certification?

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:31pm:

So here we have muslims definition of a market. To make companies that supply already halal products pay them a tax so it can be halal.

Who is making them? Answer me that. Please.

Why is the Byron Bay biscuit company fighting so hard to keep their certification? Is there someone with a gun to their head?

When will muslims learn the only reason foreign companies pay this is so they can milk muslim countries for bigger bucks. Not because they want their food halalified. Its just for a bigger slice of the muslim pocket.

I have no problem with that but don't bring it here and try and screw over companies in non muslim nations with the rort.

Nothing at all needs to be halal certified in this country or any country period its all BS. Muslims peddle it to make a buck pure and simple. They tell all muslims food has to be halal then think up a halal certification business. Who's the dumb dumbs.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:36pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:31pm: So here we have muslims definition of a market. To make companies that supply already halal products pay them a tax so it can be halal. Who is making them? Answer me that. Please. Why is the Byron Bay biscuit company fighting so hard to keep their certification? Is there someone with a gun to their head?

Islam pure and simple are you thick ?
Are you so naive there isn't communication going on behind closed doors to further line The Cookie Companies pockets since you have taken this off topic yet again ?

Surely you aren't that dumb but you can sure play the banjo.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:31pm:

"the only relevant point is there is a market for it, and companies are shrewd enough to want to cash in on it." So here we have muslims definition of a market. To make companies that supply already halal products pay them a tax so it can be halal. So in a sense screw people over for something that is already halal and that is being shrewd by cashing in on peoples ignorance of the fact their product is already Halal. It sounds like that HALAL Truck LOL. What a rort. This relying on peoples irrational fear of not keeping a fictitious god allah happy is ludicrous and plain deceitful. Just exploitation of their own people and other gullibles. That is a rort of the system as plain as day. Are we going to get yet another yodel that Gan can't see the rort Gee I wonder why.

Yeah I thought I posted all that. It must have been hard to understand.

Anyways back to the Halal MILK halal tax...

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:43pm:

communication going on behind closed doors

ah

So basically it all comes down to a baseless conspiracy theory. We wouldn't dream of considering the obvious point that companies are simply responding to a demand in the market.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Anyways back to the Halal MILK halal tax...

Good point.

I think I know how it goes though, seedy deals behind closed doors for milk companies to rort consumers?

Definitely not milk companies responding to a particular demand in the market right?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:52pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:43pm: communication going on behind closed doors ah So basically it all comes down to a baseless conspiracy theory. We wouldn't dream of considering the obvious point that companies are simply responding to a demand in the market.

Of course not there was and never has been a demand. The Halal tax was invented by you guessed it. A group of muslims to exploit the gullible. A simple rort. The only reason it carries any weight is the sheer amount of gullible muslims out there that don't buy products without the certification. To you that's demand. ooo ki do ki.

You do seem a bit illiterate about how world economics work and how people do business and the system is rorted. Like the poor guy that drove the non halal van.

Yeah he had a demand for Halal certification didn't he.

Get a grip. Knowledge is power. LEARN.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:

the sheer amount of gullible muslims out there that don't buy products without the certification.

or in other words, a market.


SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:

You do seem a bit illiterate about how world economics work and how people do business and the system is rorted.

I do confess I am not privy to all the "communication going on behind closed doors" that you obviously are.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:45pm: Anyways back to the Halal MILK halal tax... Good point. I think I know how it goes though, seedy deals behind closed doors for milk companies to rort consumers? Definitely not milk companies responding to a particular demand in the market right?

Yeah the demand for halal certification for a product that is already halal is just so huge. Must pay muslim tax must pay now dammit. They all just think that up and they then contact the local mussey tax office and say please send out the halal boys or all the gullible muslims out there will boycott my products.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Yeah the demand for halal certification for a product that is already halal is just so huge.

According to all the companies that are tripping over themselves to buy halal certification - yes it is.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:59pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:57pm: the sheer amount of gullible muslims out there that don't buy products without the certification. or in other words, a market.

There are plenty or retarded children in the world. By your standards that's a market, lets place a religious tax on them when they buy nappies or food.

That's a demographic not a market and that would be a rort and criminal. Shock horror ethics are coming into play.


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 10:59pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:57pm: You do seem a bit illiterate about how world economics work and how people do business and the system is rorted. I do confess I am not privy to all the "communication going on behind closed doors" that you obviously are.

Whats behind closed doors actually ? It is basic math something you are having trouble grasping. Islamist's tell billions of gullible people only eat halal certified food. Then companies that are now international companies are forced to halal certify their food and pay a tax so the numbskulls will buy their food.

Note the money flow at this stage(for the thick)

Unfortunately this scam then applies in non muslim countries where they then set up shop and scream you need to be certified in this country too. Or we'll tell everyone you are not certified here.

Basic math try it sometime we never came down in the last shower here mate.

Go watch the Godfather Series and get back to us. It is just extortion pure and simple. There is no need for Halal certification at all except the stand over tactics of islam pure and simple.

I doubt you will understand given the incoherent responses received so far.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:01pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:00pm: Yeah the demand for halal certification for a product that is already halal is just so huge. According to all the companies that are tripping over themselves to buy halal certification - yes it is.

If held a gun to every muslims head and said I want to wear a garbage bag. That is not demand that is extortion and a threat and criminal.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm:

There are plenty or retarded children in the world. By your standards that's a market

market for what?

You're making less and less sense. A demographic on its own is not a market - a demographic with a particular demand in the products they buy is a market. Whether they are retarded or not makes no difference.


SweetLambo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Whats behind closed doors actually ?

;D as the person who brought it up, I think its up to you to explain that.

Gandalf has admitted that the halal certification of milk is a rort. So he gets to keep his discount on it as others subsidise his food bill.

Shall we move on to the extortion racket imposed on the transport of halal chickens.

Were the donkeys, camels and horse's certified as halal transport in Mohammad's time, did they have refrigeration systems strapped to their backs were they already passed by the health authority of the day. ::) ::) ::)

Why does the transport systems have to conform to a religious doctrine of ill repute when Western food standards are far superior? :o :o :o

Why is it I am FORCED to buy halal products Gandalf?  :o :o :o 

Adamant wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

Shall we move on to the extortion racket imposed on the transport of halal chickens.

Actually I'd rather stick to the topic - you know like you and Mo constantly accuse me of not wanting to do?

Lets get back to milk shall we adam? - in particular this alleged "admission" by me that it was a rort. I'm genuinely interested in how I could have done this when all I've done in this thread is try and get an explanation from you as to how it is a rort.

Is lying about what I said some cunning strategy to avoid the question I keep asking you adam?

Don't worry, Gandalf, they'll invent new words which you haven't uttered, so we can understand their points so much better!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D