Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov shot dead in Moscow

Boris Nemtsov, a longtime Russian opposition leader and sharp critic of President Vladimir Putin, was shot and killed in central Moscow, the Russian Interior Ministry said early on Saturday.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/russian-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsov-shot-dead-in-moscow-20150227-13rdi9.html
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Our Politicians do it differently here.

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Putin-with-gun.jpeg

abbott wishes he could copy putin

;D ;D ;D ;D

as if Putin would be so sloppy. 

... wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

as if Putin would be so sloppy.

agreed .... if it was Putin he would simply have disappeared

pretty average for Russia no stab in the leg with an umbrella..

I am sure they have a deputy opposition leader..
business as usual

I'm surprised that Obama, Abbott, Julie Bishop and Shorty haven't pointed the finger at Mr Putin yet.

This should be a good excuse to put more sanctions on Russia.

... wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

as if Putin would be so sloppy.

How is this sloppy?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 6:02pm:

I'm surprised that Obama, Abbott, Julie Bishop and Shorty haven't pointed the finger at Mr Putin yet. This should be a good excuse to put more sanctions on Russia.

well we know if it was Putin who was killed you would be out there blaming Ob ama ABbott Bishop............ ::) ::) ::)

whats the difference?.. we know putin is your mate and can do no wrong.. but really pansi????

I think Putin takes it up the bum,

I just want to see that written all over the internet.

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:02pm: I'm surprised that Obama, Abbott, Julie Bishop and Shorty haven't pointed the finger at Mr Putin yet. This should be a good excuse to put more sanctions on Russia. well we know if it was Putin who was killed you would be out there blaming Ob ama ABbott Bishop............ ::) ::) ::) whats the difference?.. we know putin is your mate and can do no wrong.. but really pansi????

But he's not my mate I just admire his tenacity and political skill. I would never want to be on the wrong side of Putin, he doesn't pull any punches, but I still think he didn't shoot the deputy opposition leader, apparently he was no threat to Putin as far as taking over leadership.


So.....are you pointing the finger at Putin without any real evidence? That's not nice.

If Abbott was shot in the back four times, would you automatically blame Shorty?

Latest news:

Putin is in charge of the investigation -

the fox in charge of the hen house -

that's what passes for democracy in Russia -

a true separation of powers -  oh dear.


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They're saying the more likely culprits are an East Ukrainian Rebel syndicate that didn't like this guy's opposition to Russia's support for the rebels.   Sounds more likely to me though I wouldn't be surprised if it was Putin or at least he turned the other way if he knew it was about to happen.   

How can the prime suspect be in charge of the investigation?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:40am:

How can the prime suspect be in charge of the investigation?

its Russias version of being bipartisan  ::) ::)

now you know what ever the result is..... that will be final.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

probable conclusion..

he was shot

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

... wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:20pm: as if Putin would be so sloppy.  How is this sloppy?

Quote:

Mr Putin, who has taken personal charge of the investigation, was quoted by the Kremlin as saying the crime "had all the hallmarks of a contract killing and is entirely provocative in nature", suggesting it was aimed at smearing the authorities. The last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, also said the killing was aimed at "destabilising the situation in the country, at heightening confrontation" with the West.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Putin-with-gun.jpeg

Is that a non lethal tranquiliser gun peccahead?

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 8:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 7:40am: How can the prime suspect be in charge of the investigation? its Russias version of being bipartisan  ::) ::) now you know what ever the result is..... that will be final.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D probable conclusion.. he was shot

Putin is an evil murderous dictator.


http://www.rhinoconservation.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Fox_henhouse02.jpg

facts and footage

before its erased

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_akVb7TDqQ

Boris Nemtsov Murder Caught On CCTV Camera

Published on Feb 28, 2015
www.undergroundworldnews.com

The murder of Boris Nemtsov that took place on a bridge in central Moscow overnight on Friday was caught on an all-weather camera belonging to TVC television. The low-resolution video hints that the killer may have been waiting for Nemtsov at the bridge.

The camera captured a wide shot of Bolshoy Moskvoretsky Bridge, near the Kremlin, where the crime took place. The quality of the footage is only good enough to distinguish the cars on the bridge and the figures of people moving along it.

http://rt.com/news/236531-nemtsov-murder-cctv-russia/

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:58am:

cods wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:02pm: I'm surprised that Obama, Abbott, Julie Bishop and Shorty haven't pointed the finger at Mr Putin yet. This should be a good excuse to put more sanctions on Russia. well we know if it was Putin who was killed you would be out there blaming Ob ama ABbott Bishop............ ::) ::) ::) whats the difference?.. we know putin is your mate and can do no wrong.. but really pansi???? But he's not my mate I just admire his tenacity and political skill. I would never want to be on the wrong side of Putin, he doesn't pull any punches, but I still think he didn't shoot the deputy opposition leader, apparently he was no threat to Putin as far as taking over leadership. So.....are you pointing the finger at Putin without any real evidence? That's not nice. If Abbott was shot in the back four times, would you automatically tyblame Shor?

yes... but make that a knife.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 12:33pm:

cods wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 8:05am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 7:40am: How can the prime suspect be in charge of the investigation? its Russias version of being bipartisan  ::) ::) now you know what ever the result is..... that will be final.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D probable conclusion.. he was shot Putin is an evil murderous dictator. http://www.rhinoconservation.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Fox_henhouse02.jpg

there is going to be a massive MARCH through Moscow tomorrow Bobs maybe Vlad will lead...

this has got to be an inside job...and we know Vlad cant stand anyone not agreeing with him.. ;) ;)

how many is this that have met an unfortunate end..since Vlad came to POWER.. >:(

There's a couple of possibilities.

1. Ukraine military to make it looke like a Putin attack, like the downing of the MH 17.

2. Russian separatists because they don't like opposition to Putin's Russia.

3. CIA under orders from Obama, he's been trying to bring down Russia for a while now, but Putin has outsmarted him every time.

4. Mossad, because they're usually behind every evil event.

5. Putin because of Nemtsov's leaning towards Ukraine.

6. Some crazy drunken, drugged Russian dudes that hated the bloke.

7. Tony Abbott because if you don't know who did it, blame Tony.

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 6:58am: cods wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:02pm: I'm surprised that Obama, Abbott, Julie Bishop and Shorty haven't pointed the finger at Mr Putin yet. This should be a good excuse to put more sanctions on Russia. well we know if it was Putin who was killed you would be out there blaming Ob ama ABbott Bishop............ ::) ::) ::) whats the difference?.. we know putin is your mate and can do no wrong.. but really pansi???? But he's not my mate I just admire his tenacity and political skill. I would never want to be on the wrong side of Putin, he doesn't pull any punches, but I still think he didn't shoot the deputy opposition leader, apparently he was no threat to Putin as far as taking over leadership. So.....are you pointing the finger at Putin without any real evidence? That's not nice. If Abbott was shot in the back four times, would you automatically tyblame Shor? yes... but make that a knife.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Our pollies get knifed in the back by their own team here, they don't need the opposition to do it for them.....metaphorically speaking.

Were there any Dingoes in the security footage?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:56pm:

There's a couple of possibilities. 1. Ukraine military to make it looke like a Putin attack, like the downing of the MH 17. 2. Russian separatists because they don't like opposition to Putin's Russia. 3. CIA under orders from Obama, he's been trying to bring down Russia for a while now, but Putin has outsmarted him every time. 4. Mossad, because they're usually behind every evil event. 5. Putin because of Nemtsov's leaning towards Ukraine. 6. Some crazy drunken, drugged Russian dudes that hated the bloke. 7. Tony Abbott because if you don't know who did it, blame Tony.

I think most put Putin at No 1 and maybe 5 6 7

;D ;D

Tony is too busy getting our money back from Widodo

so he can kill those people with a clear conscience..

Did the US Murder Boris Nemtsov? The Imminent Threat
2-28-14

By: Joaquin Flores

Headlines around the world have carried some variation of the story: the murder of Boris Nemtsov.  Each of these includes some retelling of the pertinent facts: what, who, where, how … but the real question is ‘why’.  The answer to this question, or rather, what the West insists is the answer, will tell us a lot about the US’s plans to escalate the tensions in Russia over Ukraine, and beyond.


It would be foolish to set aside any hypothesis about this being motivated by people close to him, in the realm of business, politics, or romance.   In anything related to business dealings, we might recall that any number of people probably wanted him dead due to his criminality and corruption while serving as director of the now liquidated Neftyanoi Bank, and as chairman of its parent company Neftyanoi Concern.

Much controversy surrounded this affair back in 2006.  Of course in the realm of romantic problems, we have significantly those surrounding the woman he was last seen with.  This woman, Anna Duritskaya, was also present during the shooting. Rumors are floating around that this could do with her recent abortion and surrounding points of melodrama.

An obvious link with this case is the ongoing turmoil in Ukraine, but in one variation—this killing may have been motivated by an internal dispute between pro-US factions there. Nemtsov was connected with the US-backed “Orange Revolution”, and Victor Yuschenko, who was appointed as an economic advisor then, left under suspicious circumstances and more enemies than friends.

Among any of these could very well be the motive of the killer or those behind him, but the timing of this shooting and other pertinent facts should lead us to consider that this was politically motivated.

These plots can actually be somewhat complex, and it is often the case that two birds are killed with one stone.  A personal rival can be given a green light to settle a score, and also accomplish something of larger geostrategic significance such as this.

But to the point, here we are looking at whether this was carried out on the orders of one of the major players in the present world turmoil.  Concretely, the question is whether this was carried out by the Russians and their friends, or by the US and their friends and numerous “assets”.



Whether the actual shooting was done by contract or not, is also not very important except when looking at the forensics of the crime scene, and the immediate circumstances themselves.  These might tell us a few things, except that in cases such as this we must always be mindful that looking like an unprofessional job – such as in this case – would be something a professional would do to throw off the scent.

For example, we are likely to hear from friends of Russia that this killing does not have the telltale signs of a professional type of hit, the sort that a government would carry out.  They will point out that, if chased by Kremlin assassins, Boris Nemtsov would have died in a car crash, or from a heart attack.  It is considered far too sloppy for anyone in the Kremlin to think of shooting him in public, with witnesses ready at hand. The CIA experts would surely agree.

Recapping: such clean methods would actually seem to implicate the Russian state, whereas the rather sloppy way Nemtsov was actually killed would force us to rule this out.  But by that same logic, if a hit of this sort were to be carried out, then it would make perfect sense for the state to use an “amateur” looking method. In the case of the US,  a different objective must be served. If the US was behind this, the murder would have to be “obvious”, messy, ugly, leaving behind few doubts.

Indeed, if the Russians had wanted Nemtsov dead, the value of killing him would have been in his absence.  But if the Americans were to kill him, the value would be in the spectacle of the killing itself.  This killing is loaded with spectacle.

While one can argue that Russia could have employed someone to use sloppy methods in order to throw off the scent, it is more likely that given the method, the choreography, the US is probably behind it.  The deed itself could have been arranged through Ukrainian assets, which the CIA and other NATO nations now have in abundance, and would not have involved actual US agents on the ground in Moscow.

Thus this act in “broad daylight” was very clearly a murder meant to be  known as a murder.  This does not fit into either a Russian motive or modus operandi.

Cui bono??
The deeper questions surrounding any case of this sort seem to confirm the above.

The first question we must ask is ‘cui bono’. In this case we know that Russia, in particular Putin, had nothing to gain.  The killing of Nemtsov under any circumstances does not make any sense from the view of a Russian or Putin interest. Politically, and alive, he did not pose a real threat.  With less than 5%, his ticket and the Republican Party failed to garner enough support to get a seat in the Duma.  And, again, with approval ratings above 85%, Putin scarcely needs to resort to these kinds of tactics, which, in any case, despite his legions of slanderers, paid and amateur, he would be loath to employ anyhow. Putin is not a tinhorn dictator, but the head of a powerful and complex nation..

read the rest here http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/did-us-murder-boris-nemstov-imminent.html

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:56pm:

There's a couple of possibilities. 1. Ukraine military to make it looke like a Putin attack, like the downing of the MH 17. 2. Russian separatists because they don't like opposition to Putin's Russia. 3. CIA under orders from Obama, he's been trying to bring down Russia for a while now, but Putin has outsmarted him every time. 4. Mossad, because they're usually behind every evil event. 5. Putin because of Nemtsov's leaning towards Ukraine. 6. Some crazy drunken, drugged Russian dudes that hated the bloke. 7. Tony Abbott because if you don't know who did it, blame Tony.

Of course it was Putin who did it.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 10:33pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 5:56pm: There's a couple of possibilities. 1. Ukraine military to make it looke like a Putin attack, like the downing of the MH 17. 2. Russian separatists because they don't like opposition to Putin's Russia. 3. CIA under orders from Obama, he's been trying to bring down Russia for a while now, but Putin has outsmarted him every time. 4. Mossad, because they're usually behind every evil event. 5. Putin because of Nemtsov's leaning towards Ukraine. 6. Some crazy drunken, drugged Russian dudes that hated the bloke. 7. Tony Abbott because if you don't know who did it, blame Tony. Of course it was Putin who did it.

.it could have been the Ukraine seems they are capable of doing just about anything to shoot themselves in the foot...

then theres the dreaded yanks....and even the CHinese so many to choose from these days

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 5:56pm: There's a couple of possibilities. 1. Ukraine military to make it looke like a Putin attack, like the downing of the MH 17. 2. Russian separatists because they don't like opposition to Putin's Russia. 3. CIA under orders from Obama, he's been trying to bring down Russia for a while now, but Putin has outsmarted him every time. 4. Mossad, because they're usually behind every evil event. 5. Putin because of Nemtsov's leaning towards Ukraine. 6. Some crazy drunken, drugged Russian dudes that hated the bloke. 7. Tony Abbott because if you don't know who did it, blame Tony. I think most put Putin at No 1 and maybe 5 6 7 ;D ;D Tony is too busy getting our money back from Widodo so he can kill those people with a clear conscience..

I wonder what he'll do with it? Surely it should go to aid somewhere else. Maybe he'll pass it on to Cambodia, they can't get enough now they're taking our asylum seeker castaways.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 4:10pm:

cods wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 7:10pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 5:56pm: There's a couple of possibilities. 1. Ukraine military to make it looke like a Putin attack, like the downing of the MH 17. 2. Russian separatists because they don't like opposition to Putin's Russia. 3. CIA under orders from Obama, he's been trying to bring down Russia for a while now, but Putin has outsmarted him every time. 4. Mossad, because they're usually behind every evil event. 5. Putin because of Nemtsov's leaning towards Ukraine. 6. Some crazy drunken, drugged Russian dudes that hated the bloke. 7. Tony Abbott because if you don't know who did it, blame Tony. I think most put Putin at No 1 and maybe 5 6 7 ;D ;D Tony is too busy getting our money back from Widodo so he can kill those people with a clear conscience.. I wonder what he'll do with it? Surely it should go to aid somewhere else. Maybe he'll pass it on to Cambodia, they can't get enough now they're taking our asylum seeker castaways.

I thought that was PNG.... what happened to that lot?...best ask krudd it was his idea.

I would like to think the money would go towards paying off our massive debt....bugger these countries that forever have their hands out for more....they are the ones doing very nicely from all this CLIMATE CHANGE crap..thats as well as getting foreign aid..

blimey they never stop wanting more..

mind you lefties never want to know where the money goes do you????.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj0YqV3KJrM

Did The CIA Assassinate Boris Nemtsov To Blame Putin?

Published on Mar 2, 2015
On the heels of the news out of Moscow that Boris Nemtsov was gunned down, today Dr. Paul Craig Roberts spoke with King World News about the CIA and the murder of Nemtsov. This is a fascinating trip down the rabbit hole with the former U.S. Treasury official as he is warning that the CIA may be out of control. http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-r...
[The following clip suggests this was anything but an ad hoc shooting...]
http://www.infowars.com/caught-on-tap...

http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-cia-may-just-assassinated-boris-nemtsov-moscow-blame-putin/

Paul Craig Roberts – The CIA May Have Just Assassinated Boris Nemtsov In Moscow To Blame Putin
February 28, 2015


On the heels of the news out of Moscow that Boris Nemtsov was gunned down, today Dr. Paul Craig Roberts spoke with King World News about the CIA and the murder of Nemtsov.  This is a fascinating trip down the rabbit hole with the former U.S. Treasury official as he is warning that the CIA may be out of control.

Paul Craig Roberts just told KWN:  “There are numerous historians and memoirs that have documented that the CIA has used academic professors and journalists to support the CIA's agenda.  The CIA for many, many decades has been manipulating the American people.

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CIA Out Of Control

All I can tell you is that the CIA is powerful and has never had its wings clipped.  If the Church Committee Hearings (pictured above) weren't able to rein it in, I would suspect it's literally out of control.

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Look At What They Did To Kennedy When He Was About To Take On The CIA

You have to keep in mind that when President John F. Kennedy found out what was really going on with the CIA and tried to do something about it, they simply assassinated him.  This is according to many well-researched histories and eyewitnesses.”

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Boris Nemtsov, pictured above, was just assassinated in Moscow.

The CIA May Have Just Assassinated Boris Nemtsov In Moscow To Blame Putin

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Former U.S. Treasury Official

February 28 (King World News) – Boris Nemtsov, a Russian dissident politician highly critical of President Vladimir Putin often sounded like an agent of Washington. He was shot and killed today on a street near Red Square.

If Nemtsov wasn’t assassinated by the CIA in order to blame Putin, most likely Nemtsov was killed by Russian nationalists who saw him as Washington’s agent.

Remembering the Magnitsky affair that resulted in sanctions imposed on Russians as a result of the US Congress over-reacting to a jail death in Russia, Nemtsov’s death will likely be blamed on Putin. The Western media will repeat endlessly, with no evidence, that Putin had his critic killed.

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"Putin Much Too Smart To Play Into Washington's Hands"

I can tell you one thing, and that is that Putin is much too smart to play into Washington’s hands in this way. Moreover, Nemtsov, although a loud mouth, had no impact on Putin’s 85% approval rating. Nemtsov’s support resided in the Washington-funded NGOs in Russia.

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CIA Assassinates Nemtsov?

If the CIA assassinated Nemtsov, they killed their own asset. It remains to be seen if the propaganda gains justify the CIA’s loss of a Putin critic.”

From Bloomberg: Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said by phone that “the president noted that there are all the signs that this was a hit and also an extreme provocation.”

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Hey, guys! =)

I am from Russia.

Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system.

I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives.

But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution.

So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death.

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:12am:

Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death.

very interesting we would almost never get direct news or opinions from RUssia..I for one have never heard of Navalny and nothing of an arrest.... which happens at the drop of a hat......we had lots of news on the teenage girls band arrest...funny that.

why do Russians not make more noise about this.?

cods wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:45am:

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:12am: Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death. very interesting we would almost never get direct news or opinions from RUssia..I for one have never heard of Navalny and nothing of an arrest.... which happens at the drop of a hat......we had lots of news on the teenage girls band arrest...funny that. why do Russians not make more noise about this.?

Navalny struggles against corruption and he always manages to find rich politician apartments abroad. It turn out that all government "patriot" have A LOT OF money and spend it abroad abundantly buying big houses and cars for their families. Politician cannot conceal that facts and it is irritating for them. Navalny has a good command and does indeed a lot of work to prevent stealing of peoples money. But our politicians try to shut his projects down by blocking his sites, put his brother into prison and keep him under home arrest, not showing him on TV.

A lot of people already know about Navalny. But the problem is that the majority watch only TV and treat Navalny as a traitor and the others (who knows the truth) just afraid of politicians because they are in the minority. That is it.

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 6:02am:

cods wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:45am: Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:12am: Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death. very interesting we would almost never get direct news or opinions from RUssia..I for one have never heard of Navalny and nothing of an arrest.... which happens at the drop of a hat......we had lots of news on the teenage girls band arrest...funny that. why do Russians not make more noise about this.? Navalny struggles against corruption and he always manages to find rich politician apartments abroad. It turn out that all government "patriot" have A LOT OF money and spend it abroad abundantly buying big houses and cars for their families. Politician cannot conceal that facts and it is irritating for them. Navalny has a good command and does indeed a lot of work to prevent stealing of peoples money. But our politicians try to shut his projects down by blocking his sites, put his brother into prison and keep him under home arrest, not showing him on TV. A lot of people already know about Navalny. But the problem is that the majority watch only TV and treat Navalny as a traitor and the others (who knows the truth) just afraid of politicians because they are in the minority. That is it.

I guess you would never hear any TRUTHS about Putin he seems to have an enchanted life..

and you will have to wait until he dies to really know what he was up too.

cods wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 6:08am:

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 6:02am: cods wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:45am: Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:12am: Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death. very interesting we would almost never get direct news or opinions from RUssia..I for one have never heard of Navalny and nothing of an arrest.... which happens at the drop of a hat......we had lots of news on the teenage girls band arrest...funny that. why do Russians not make more noise about this.? Navalny struggles against corruption and he always manages to find rich politician apartments abroad. It turn out that all government "patriot" have A LOT OF money and spend it abroad abundantly buying big houses and cars for their families. Politician cannot conceal that facts and it is irritating for them. Navalny has a good command and does indeed a lot of work to prevent stealing of peoples money. But our politicians try to shut his projects down by blocking his sites, put his brother into prison and keep him under home arrest, not showing him on TV. A lot of people already know about Navalny. But the problem is that the majority watch only TV and treat Navalny as a traitor and the others (who knows the truth) just afraid of politicians because they are in the minority. That is it. I guess you would never hear any TRUTHS about Putin he seems to have an enchanted life.. and you will have to wait until he dies to really know what he was up too.

Putin is an old good german spy first of all. =) And he is a president after all.
But I think he really loves his country and do not have really terrible secrets.

I just do not like the way he rules the country. Like old and sly hooligan with his old and sly friends.
His time is up many years ago. But he still lives in XX century and rule as a king of XIX century.

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 6:26am:

cods wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 6:08am: Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 6:02am: cods wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:45am: Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:12am: Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death. very interesting we would almost never get direct news or opinions from RUssia..I for one have never heard of Navalny and nothing of an arrest.... which happens at the drop of a hat......we had lots of news on the teenage girls band arrest...funny that. why do Russians not make more noise about this.? Navalny struggles against corruption and he always manages to find rich politician apartments abroad. It turn out that all government "patriot" have A LOT OF money and spend it abroad abundantly buying big houses and cars for their families. Politician cannot conceal that facts and it is irritating for them. Navalny has a good command and does indeed a lot of work to prevent stealing of peoples money. But our politicians try to shut his projects down by blocking his sites, put his brother into prison and keep him under home arrest, not showing him on TV. A lot of people already know about Navalny. But the problem is that the majority watch only TV and treat Navalny as a traitor and the others (who knows the truth) just afraid of politicians because they are in the minority. That is it. I guess you would never hear any TRUTHS about Putin he seems to have an enchanted life.. and you will have to wait until he dies to really know what he was up too. Putin is an old good german spy first of all. =) And he is a president after all. But I think he really loves his country and do not have really terrible secrets. I just do not like the way he rules the country. Like old and sly hooligan with his old and sly friends. His time is up many years ago. But he still lives in XX century and rule as a king of XIX century.

as you have said all the politicians have lots of homes in foreign countries.. that no one is supposed to know about I cant believe that doesnt include putin...he has after all made himself President by buying his ministry.. ::) ::)

I just do not like the way he rules the country. Like old and sly hooligan with his old and sly friends.
His time is up many years ago. But he still lives in XX century and rule as a king of XIX century.

Hi Dmitry.....thanks for the information.

I like Putin that he sticks up for his country against the west, particularly the USA . He always seems to be a move or two ahead of them, comes from being a great chess player, I suppose.

You do agree that Obama is trying to implement Mr Putin in the downing of the MH17, they have no evidence but put sanctions on Russia just the same.
How do you do feel about that?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 9:04am:

I just do not like the way he rules the country. Like old and sly hooligan with his old and sly friends. His time is up many years ago. But he still lives in XX century and rule as a king of XIX century. Hi Dmitry.....thanks for the information. I like Putin that he sticks up for his country against the west, particularly the USA . He always seems to be a move or two ahead of them, comes from being a great chess player, I suppose. You do agree that Obama is trying to implement Mr Putin in the downing of the MH17, they have no evidence but put sanctions on Russia just the same. How do you do feel about that?

sorry pansi I thought it had something to do with  Putin being  on the borders of the Ukraine and using his machines and might  helping  the separatists...

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 9:04am:

I just do not like the way he rules the country. Like old and sly hooligan with his old and sly friends. His time is up many years ago. But he still lives in XX century and rule as a king of XIX century. Hi Dmitry.....thanks for the information. I like Putin that he sticks up for his country against the west, particularly the USA . He always seems to be a move or two ahead of them, comes from being a great chess player, I suppose. You do agree that Obama is trying to implement Mr Putin in the downing of the MH17, they have no evidence but put sanctions on Russia just the same. How do you do feel about that?

Hello, Dame Pansi.

It depends. If you consider new territory, sovereignty and military power as a resource to fight for then you are right. Putin always seems to be a move or two ahead of west. But I prefer to think that people, technologies and reputation are the thing that is really paid of.

What concerns MH17 it is not Putin himself of course. But he created tension between friendly people by getting Cremia which in turns provoke conflict in Ukraine because people from Donbass decided they might be separated as well with Russia support. The weapon was Russian from Russian territory. It is not a secret. It does not matter who orders to shoot at the plain. That is inevitable consequence of civil war.

Sanctions are against the Cremia issue and that fact that Putin do not want use his influence to stop separatists. They have a lot of support from Russian territory and that is not a secret too.

I do not like sanction but I should admit that it is necessary step in relationship to show Russian people that Putin does not care about people's living standards and country reputation. He cares about his so called "independent" and "exclusiveness" that is not the values of our days. On TV he always said that Russian people are very special and powerful but in reality we lag behind the whole world being very ignorant and poor.

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:12am:

Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death.

So Dmitry, how did you come across our little forum, way out here in the land of OZ, all the way from Russia?

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:37pm:

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:12am: Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death. So Dmitry, how did you come across our little forum, way out here in the land of OZ, all the way from Russia?

I study English. And the best way to practice English is to speak with people. I chose this forum because I found it in the internet and I also like Australia culture. So it is just a coincidence but I like the way you discuss political issues here. That is it.

Boris Nemtsov Murder Is the Next MH17

Whatever the facts of the case the west is going to squeeze out every last anti-Kremlin soundbite out of it that it can

The murder of Boris Yefimovich Nemtsov is the latest in a series of dramas involving Russia played out on the international stage. A Putin adversary, murdered with the backdrop of St. Basils, this is the stuff of Hollywood, literally.

Whoever killed Nemtsov, he or she will go down in history right along with those responsible for Malaysian flight MH17. Of this, I think we can all rest assured. Like the catastrophe that was to be Sochi 2014, in the same way a million Russian tanks have been sent to Donbass to fight Kiev’s forces, so too a midnight killer has unleashed a New York City to Sydney media frenzy. And this is how we can know who was responsible too. BBC seems all too ready to count the convenient thousands marching along the Bolshoy Moskvoretsky Bridge. Wall Street has chime in with a well prepared headline that reads; “Boris Nemtsov’s Career Traces Arc of Russia’s Dimmed Hopes for Democracy.”

Once again, in a year of never ending provocative news, we’re presented with astounding coincidence. And for the intelligent among us, this is how we can know the “direction” of the truth. Wasn't it Friedrich Nietzsche who once said;

     “I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”


We’re trapped inside daytime TV! The world is being sold soap powder to wash out the brain. News has become an opera of policy, an Orwellian talk show, a tabloid rumor to satiate the strung out news junkies. Suddenly a one of Putin’s most vehement critics, he’s been elevated to Gandhi status because of his untimely death. In the same way the Je Suis Charlie cartoonists magically morphed into epic heroes, somebody clearly wants a Russian paradigm. Like I said, the suggestion Putin had this done is not just idiotic, it’s insane. If he’s as powerful and evil as Washington officials claim, then assassinating dissidents across the street from Putin’s office seems… Well, anyone with enough money could have had Nemtzov disappear forever, let’s face it. This leaves only three possibilities as to who is behind his murder.

Murder Suspects By Multiple Choice

In the BBC or Wall Street Journal narrative, I guess we can think of Vladimir Putin like the Godfather form the famous movie. He had to make a public statement, you see? Nemtsov was such a fearsome foe, a gangland killing in front of the “Don’s” house was deemed necessary. This is the soap opera version, the one intended to perpetuate the Evil Putin doctrine of Washington and London. This is the “NATO protects us!” version.

The second version of this story involves the 142.5 million enemies Nemtsov and his fellow dissidents have made swimming against the current in Russia. I’m being generous giving the slain “agent” of change a million supporters our of the Russian population, Putin is that popular in Mother Russia, no one can deny. In this version some sub-group or unknown Nemtsov enemy from his past dealings sought revenge in the shadow of the Kremlin.

A third version of this cloak and dagger slaying involves the same people who own 90 percent of western mainstream media. The name of Nemtsov’s killers in this version could be an acronym, we know so many. The CIA, or maybe even Ukraine’s SBU equivalent could be responsible. Maybe the assailant was MI6? Could James Bond himself have sped away from the scene of Boris Nemtsov’s slaying? Let’s face it though, the killers did not have to be Israeli Mossad to get this job done for the Putin. What if a contract killer was hired, by perhaps some seen or unseen oligarch? The point is, we’re left wondering except for two critical points. Who had the most to gain, and who is making the biggest noise over the event? I think almost all Russians get this point, and I pray most people who can read elsewhere do.

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In summary, we’re continually left with an absence of evidence from leadership, and the media these days. The only fact the public really has to rely on, it seems, is the weight and unreason of the anti-Russia story. Logic, Murphy’s law, common sense tells us that something is wrong in all this. The Nemtsov killing, like the hundreds of others we’ve heard, it should set off all our alarms. Just before posting this I searched Google News for the biggest headline in the last hour. If my theory of reason is correct, the institution mentioned in a Voice of America story bears deep scrutiny, and I quote:

    “U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has called for a thorough and transparent investigation into the murder of Russian opposition politician and activist Boris Nemtsov. Former Russian chess champion and rights activist Garry Kasparov says he is shattered by the news and says it comes amid an atmosphere of propaganda and hatred aimed at opponents of President Vladimir Putin.”

Is it desperation to pull chess champions out of the closet? What if Russia called for an investigation into the JFK assassination? We are definitely in an “Oh boy!” sitcom these days. The only thing that is crystal clear is, whoever is behind all this drama will stop at nothing. And this is scary stuff indeed

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/02/3997

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/02/3979

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 10:37pm: Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 5:12am: Hey, guys! =) I am from Russia. Boris Nemtsov was very important Russian politician 10-15 years ago. And now he could hardly make contribution in Russian opposition. The main figure is Navalny who is in the cell now for meeting agitation. Nemtsov was quite popular person for his previous merits. But he is not the man who could successfully struggle against our political system. I mean I do not believe that someone from government was really interested in his death. It would have been so stupid to kill him right in front of Red Square by political motives. But we have a lot of propaganda by TV and 80% citizens do not have internet at all. TV always try to show opposition as a bunch of traitors who takes american money and try to organize revolution. So I can believe that some idiots decided to kill Nemtsov as a traitor because they consider themselves as great patriots. And I blame Putin that he breeds those idiotic "patriots" and zombies by his political activities and propaganda. But I do not believe he really wants someones death. So Dmitry, how did you come across our little forum, way out here in the land of OZ, all the way from Russia? I study English. And the best way to practice English is to speak with people. I chose this forum because I found it in the internet and I also like Australia culture. So it is just a coincidence but I like the way you discuss political issues here. That is it.

Well, that's interesting Dmitry and what do you do, for a crust?

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

[quote author=drnecormant link=1425081805/41#41 date=1425387175][quote author=perceptions_now link=1425081805/40#40 date=1425386239] Well, that's interesting Dmitry and what do you do, for a crust?

I'm lucky man. Living in Russia I am working in American IT company. So Russian economy does not cause much troubles for me. That is one of the reason why I am studying English.

And you?

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:54am: [quote author=drnecormant link=1425081805/41#41 date=1425387175][quote author=perceptions_now link=1425081805/40#40 date=1425386239] Well, that's interesting Dmitry and what do you do, for a crust? I'm lucky man. Living in Russia I am working in American IT company. So Russian economy does not cause much troubles for me. That is one of the reason why I am studying English. And you?

Well, I am now retired, But I spent quite some time involved in the financial sector.

However, since retirement, I spent quite some time doing something similar to my working life, in as far as I spend quite some time looking at information that doesn't add up and looking at people that don't tell the whole truth - mainly Politicians & mainly about Economics!

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:07pm: perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:54am: [quote author=drnecormant link=1425081805/41#41 date=1425387175][quote author=perceptions_now link=1425081805/40#40 date=1425386239] Well, that's interesting Dmitry and what do you do, for a crust? I'm lucky man. Living in Russia I am working in American IT company. So Russian economy does not cause much troubles for me. That is one of the reason why I am studying English. And you? Well, I am now retired, But I spent quite some time involved in the financial sector. However, since retirement, I spent quite some time doing something similar to my working life, in as far as I spend quite some time looking at information that doesn't add up and looking at people that don't tell the whole truth - mainly Politicians & mainly about Economics!

Thanks! That is nice.

Do not you think that information I posted here does not end up and I do not tell the whole truth about myself or my country? =)

Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Dmitry K. wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:07pm: perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 10:54am: [quote author=drnecormant link=1425081805/41#41 date=1425387175][quote author=perceptions_now link=1425081805/40#40 date=1425386239] Well, that's interesting Dmitry and what do you do, for a crust? I'm lucky man. Living in Russia I am working in American IT company. So Russian economy does not cause much troubles for me. That is one of the reason why I am studying English. And you? Well, I am now retired, But I spent quite some time involved in the financial sector. However, since retirement, I spent quite some time doing something similar to my working life, in as far as I spend quite some time looking at information that doesn't add up and looking at people that don't tell the whole truth - mainly Politicians & mainly about Economics! Thanks! That is nice. Do not you think that information I posted here does not end up and I do not tell the whole truth about myself or my country? =)

I was referring to Politicians, Dmitry.

That said, I would venture, there is no human ever, who always told the whole truth & nothing but the truth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH65zUSZaD0


Nemtsov Murder: Police Identify the Owner of Mystery Car In Shooting

http://tass.ru/en/russia/780922

Two Suspects Arrested in Nemtsov's Murder Investigation

On Saturday, law enforcers detained two men on suspicion of killing Russian politician Boris Nemtsov.

Two men were arrested on suspicion of the murder of Russian politician Boris Nemtsov, Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) Director Alexander Bortnikov said Saturday.

According to Bortnikov, as cited by Rossiya-24 television channel, the suspects' names are Zaur Dadayev and Anzor Gubashev.

The FSB head added that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been informed of the suspects' detention.

"Two suspects have been arrested as a result of work carried out today in connection with this crime. These suspects are Anzor Gubashev and Zaur Dadaev and the head of state has been informed," Bortnikov said.

Boris Nemtsov was fatally shot at 11:40 p.m. Moscow time on February 27 (20:40 GMT), while crossing a bridge next to the Kremlin with Anna Duritskaya, a Ukrainian model who has returned to Ukraine after questioning.

Duritskaya's lawyer, Vadim Prokhorov, told RIA Novosti that the 23-year-old woman has not been requested to return to Russia for further questioning following Saturday's detention of suspects.

Shortly after the assassination, Putin ordered the Russian Investigative Committee, the Interior Ministry and the FSB to set up a joint investigative team to solve the murder.

Investigators have been pursuing several motives behind Nemtsov's murder, including possible links to the Ukrainian crisis, contract killing or business-related disputes.

In 1991, Boris Nemtsov was appointed the governor of the Nizhny Novgorod Region. He was also a former deputy prime minister in the Russian government under President Boris Yeltsin. At one point he was considered a likely presidential candidate. Nemtsov co-chaired the RPR-PARNAS (Republican Party of Russia – People's Freedom Party) since 2012 and was also one of the leaders of the liberal Solidarnost movement. Since September 2013 and until his death, Nemtsov served as a member of the Yaroslavl Region's parliament.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150307/1019187471.html

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