The UK authorities have unearthed yet another viper's nest of Muslims grooming and 'trading' English girls in the local town.

link

The UK's luvvies protected these Muslims for many years, not wanting to seem 'racist'.

And over there in Bali two people far less guilty than these UK Muslims and their English protectors are about to be shot ...

Umm nowhere is it mentioned that they are Muslim. Any other information?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 9:40am:

Umm nowhere is it mentioned that they are Muslim. Any other information?

Heard of 'Google'? Can't be bothered? Then why post here at all - [personal attack removed]

"Based in Oxford the men – of Pakistani and North African origin – made sure their white victims became addicted to heroin, crack and alcohol and then forced them into prostitution".

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 9:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 9:40am: Umm nowhere is it mentioned that they are Muslim. Any other information? Heard of 'Google'? Can't be bothered? Then why post here at all - you irritating phuckwit? "Based in Oxford the men – of Pakistani and North African origin – made sure their white victims became addicted to heroin, crack and alcohol and then forced them into prostitution". link

Pakistan and North Africa contain christians. E.g there are 2.5 million christians in Pakistan.

There is still no mention of the offenders religion

.

Outrage Bus is dodging the issue, imo


Fundamentalist muslims are a plague

When under threat from a plague, you bring in pest-control

I have no problem wearing the 'racist' slur. None at all

Racism simply means one feels superior to the other race in question and yes, I do feel superior to fundamentalist muslims for a vast number of reasons

further, I would have no problem seeing them deported

No problems with their chosen lifestyle as long as they pursue it in their own lands

when they impose their culture on host populations is when it's time to kick them out and prevent any more entering

Non-muslim nations have EVERY right to reject and eject in their own interests.  And that's not 'racist'.  It's practical and in defence of whichever nations are being adversely affected

For crying out loud, Mr Outrage Bus, read the names of the ring leaders of that paedo ring.

Ahmed,  Mohammed.....

Yep. Definitely Christian.  ::)

PZ547 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:04am:

. Outrage Bus is dodging the issue, imo Fundamentalist muslims are a plague When under threat from a plague, you bring in pest-control I have no problem wearing the 'racist' slur. None at all Racism simply means one feels superior to the other race in question and yes, I do feel superior to fundamentalist muslims for a vast number of reasons further, I would have no problem seeing them deported No problems with their chosen lifestyle as long as they pursue it in their own lands when they impose their culture on host populations is when it's time to kick them out and prevent any more entering Non-muslim nations have EVERY right to reject and eject in their own interests.  And that's not 'racist'.  It's practical and in defence of whichever nations are being adversely affected.

Thank you. And I totally agree with your sentiments.

Someone named Muhammad or Ahmed is no more likely to be a practicing Muslim than someone named Christian or Thomas is a practicing Christian.

And the use of alcohol and drugs - forbidden in Islam - should be the biggest giveaway.

PZ547 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:04am:

. Outrage Bus is dodging the issue, imo

No, he's asking questions!  Do they make it hard for you to pin your Islamophobia on the perpetrators?  Why?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D

[Islamophobic attack deleted]

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:28am:

Someone named Muhammad or Ahmed is no more likely to be a practicing Muslim than someone named Christian or Thomas is a practicing Christian. And the use of alcohol and drugs - forbidden in Islam - should be the biggest giveaway.

Pakistan is 99% muslim.

The Quran does allow alcohol,takebeer!
quran.com/16/67

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:28am:

Someone named Muhammad or Ahmed is no more likely to be a practicing Muslim than someone named Christian or Thomas is a practicing Christian. And the use of alcohol and drugs - forbidden in Islam - should be the biggest giveaway.

If these Muslim apes are not mosque-attending, head-banging worshippers of Allah then I'm a monkey's uncle.

Once again we have gandalf doing some sort of apologist Houdini act on behalf of these Islam-saturated immigrant vermin.

*****

Rotherham was the other Child Sexploitation place or earlier infamy.

I wouldn't even put these Muslim offenders in jail. Just pack them up with all their extended family - including the UK-born kids - and jet them back to wherever they came from.

And then I'd have the Mother of all Witch-Hunts to find out who were the white Anglo-Saxon Leftist bastards in positions of authority who sat on their hands for years while knowing full well what was going on.

Those found guilty of cover-up and rationalising their inactivity would receive nothing less than 5 years jail-time.

The question really does beg ~ How it is that these Muslims are being sent to jail but not one of the score or so mayors, police chiefs, councilors, Child Welfare Officers et al has fronted court let alone received a still sentence?

That's why I say deport these Muslim offenders without needing to do any jail-time. One in ~ all in ... and that should include the bastards who shielded these rock apes from arrest and prosecution.

When they are shown to be Muslim (and I'm suspicious since usually the Daily Mail is falling over themselves trying to pin it on Muslims, but strangely not in this case) then I'll change my tune.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:53am:

Pakistan is 99% muslim.

Gee Baron, notice how this story didn't happen in Pakistan? Maybe Pakistan is 99% muslim because most non-muslims or non-practicing muslims move to other countries? Now there's a thought.

Britain is supposedly around 60% Christian - that would mean that, statistically, a Briton who commits a crime is most likely to be a christian. And someone with a "christian sounding" name even more so.

Yet, curiously, when someone called John or David commits a crime, we don't call it a "christian crime".

Why is that?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:06pm:

When they are shown to be Muslim (and I'm suspicious since usually the Daily Mail is falling over themselves trying to pin it on Muslims, but strangely not in this case) then I'll change my tune.

[Personal attack removed]  8-)

Look at those ugly pieces of slime. I hope they get sent back to their crapholes of origin  when they do their time. Disgusting cretins!!!

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:53am: Pakistan is 99% muslim. Gee Baron, notice how this story didn't happen in Pakistan? Maybe Pakistan is 99% muslim because most non-muslims or non-practicing muslims move to other countries? Now there's a thought. Britain is supposedly around 60% Christian - that would mean that, statistically, a Briton who commits a crime is most likely to be a christian. And someone with a "christian sounding" name even more so. Yet, curiously, when someone called John or David commits a crime, we don't call it a "christian crime". Why is that?

Come on gandalf. You know as well as I do that your average knock-about nominal 'Christian' is not anywhere near as religion-saturated and mind-phucked as your average knock-about Muslim.

They are a totally different species of creature.

There is no equivalence here.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:06pm: When they are shown to be Muslim (and I'm suspicious since usually the Daily Mail is falling over themselves trying to pin it on Muslims, but strangely not in this case) then I'll change my tune. [Personal attack removed]  8-)

What?! Can't actually come up with a logical point refuting my statement.

Of course they are Muslim. One of the abusers even shares the prophets name.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:06pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:53am: Pakistan is 99% muslim. Gee Baron, notice how this story didn't happen in Pakistan? Maybe Pakistan is 99% muslim because most non-muslims or non-practicing muslims move to other countries? Now there's a thought. Britain is supposedly around 60% Christian - that would mean that, statistically, a Briton who commits a crime is most likely to be a christian. And someone with a "christian sounding" name even more so. Yet, curiously, when someone called John or David commits a crime, we don't call it a "christian crime". Why is that? Come on gandalf. You know as well as I do that your average knock-about nominal 'Christian' is not anywhere near as religion-saturated and mind-phucked as your average knock-about Muslim. They are a totally different species of creature. There is no equivalence here.

= not bigoted ranting at all  :P

I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people. Outrageous I know.

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Of course they are Muslim. One of the abusers even shares the prophets name.

Good logic  ::)

Be sure to label the next criminal called "Christian" a Christian criminal.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:11pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:06pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:53am: Pakistan is 99% muslim. Gee Baron, notice how this story didn't happen in Pakistan? Maybe Pakistan is 99% muslim because most non-muslims or non-practicing muslims move to other countries? Now there's a thought. Britain is supposedly around 60% Christian - that would mean that, statistically, a Briton who commits a crime is most likely to be a christian. And someone with a "christian sounding" name even more so. Yet, curiously, when someone called John or David commits a crime, we don't call it a "christian crime". Why is that? Come on gandalf. You know as well as I do that your average knock-about nominal 'Christian' is not anywhere near as religion-saturated and mind-phucked as your average knock-about Muslim. They are a totally different species of creature. There is no equivalence here. = not bigoted ranting at all  :P I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people. Outrageous I know.

My more outrageous view is that the vast majority of all people are actually ordinary decent people. Groundbreaking I know, but there you have it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:15pm: Of course they are Muslim. One of the abusers even shares the prophets name. Good logic  ::) Be sure to label the next criminal called "Christian" a Christian criminal.

I never said Muslim criminal. I said they are definitely Muslim. You know they are. You don't have to stick up for your people all of the time. Take a rest.

grooming kids isn't criminal?

Oh I know, you're following due process by not proclaiming someone's guilt until they are convicted by a court?

Good job - not the least bit of irony in that is there?  ;D

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:08pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:06pm: When they are shown to be Muslim (and I'm suspicious since usually the Daily Mail is falling over themselves trying to pin it on Muslims, but strangely not in this case) then I'll change my tune. [Personal attack removed]  8-) What?! Can't actually come up with a logical point refuting my statement.

Pakistan is 99% muslim, there is a long list of sex offenders from Pakistan in the UK.

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Of course they are Muslim. One of the abusers even shares the prophets name.

Mostly we are talking about a Muslim cultural attitude here that feels morally justified in viewing white Westerner non-Muslims as 'fair game' for a little sexploitation and cheating with.

Muslim taxi-drivers have earned a world-wide reputation for getting their grubby hands onto half-drunk, mini-skirted young females being taken home late at night.

To many Muslims the Dhimmi still exists as strongly as ever in their view. And that includes the Dhimmi's daughters.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:16pm:

I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people. Outrageous I know.

[Personal attack removed]

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:16pm:

I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people. Outrageous I know.

I would like to think so.

After 9/11 polls revealed that only a lousy 10% of British Muslims were totally and wholly pro-British in their attitude.

And now we hear of hundreds of UK-born Muslims rushing to join John the Ripper over there in the Killing Fields.

This does not augur well for the future.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:21pm:

My more outrageous view is that the vast majority of all people are actually ordinary decent people. Groundbreaking I know, but there you have it.

That's debatable.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:16pm: I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people. Outrageous I know. I would like to think so. After 9/11 polls revealed that only a lousy 10% of British Muslims were totally and wholly pro-British in their attitude. And now we hear of hundreds of UK-born Muslims rushing to join John the Ripper over there in the Killing Fields. This does not augur well for the future.

I'd be looking at just how scientifically valid that survey was.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:02pm:

I'd be looking at just how scientifically valid that survey was.

Fair comment, but [Personal attack removed]

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 1:02pm: I'd be looking at just how scientifically valid that survey was. Fair comment, but [Personal attack removed]

Are you ok Herbie? Is there really any need to remove the personal attacks (apart from say mod issues).


Wouldnt a fairer solution to the issue be instead of removing personal attacks, actually thinking of something to say? Maybe a intellectual repose to a post I made?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:28am: Someone named Muhammad or Ahmed is no more likely to be a practicing Muslim than someone named Christian or Thomas is a practicing Christian. And the use of alcohol and drugs - forbidden in Islam - should be the biggest giveaway. Pakistan is 99% muslim.

Around 95 to 98% Muslim, actually.

About 6,000,000 people are NOT Muslims.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:16pm: I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people. Outrageous I know. [Personal attack removed]

Sensei!  Your personal feelings are intruding on your postings!  You are bring shame on the Way of the Troll!  Get control of your emotions!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:53am: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:28am: Someone named Muhammad or Ahmed is no more likely to be a practicing Muslim than someone named Christian or Thomas is a practicing Christian. And the use of alcohol and drugs - forbidden in Islam - should be the biggest giveaway. Pakistan is 99% muslim. Around 95 to 98% Muslim, actually. About 6,000,000 people are NOT Muslims.

What about the Ahmadi muslims peccahead do you consider them to be muslims or do you believe Pakistan was right in 1974 when they declared ahmadis are non muslims?

The ahmadi dropped the obligation for jihad and don't care for political islam, for this they have been declared deviant heretic non muslims.

Abdus Salam won the first nobel prize for a muslim in science, they have removed the word muslim from his grave because he was an ahmadi.
Do you think Abdus was a muslim or non muslim peccahead?

Do inspectors close down restaurants because of food poisoning even though the majority of meals served are not toxic?

Yes they do.

"Oh, but it's not ALL the meals!" protests the chef.

Sensei!  You have returned!  You have refound your centre.  You have refound the Way of the Troll!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:11pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 12:06pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 11:53am: Pakistan is 99% muslim. Gee Baron, notice how this story didn't happen in Pakistan? Maybe Pakistan is 99% muslim because most non-muslims or non-practicing muslims move to other countries? Now there's a thought. Britain is supposedly around 60% Christian - that would mean that, statistically, a Briton who commits a crime is most likely to be a christian. And someone with a "christian sounding" name even more so. Yet, curiously, when someone called John or David commits a crime, we don't call it a "christian crime". Why is that? Come on gandalf. You know as well as I do that your average knock-about nominal 'Christian' is not anywhere near as religion-saturated and mind-phucked as your average knock-about Muslim. They are a totally different species of creature. There is no equivalence here. = not bigoted ranting at all  :P I take the totally bizarre view that the vast majority of British Muslims are ordinary decent people.

With public statements like this being made by moslem bodies in the UK, who could doubt it, gandalf ???        :P

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"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."
     - The Muslim Council of Britain





But then again!        If we dig a little deeper.....     ------- >


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::)

One might ask you the very same questions, Brian.

8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) One might ask you the very same questions, Brian. 8-)

I've never claimed to be an expert on Islam, Lionel.  I can however point out the fallacies of the way some people here think it might work.    ::)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) One might ask you the very same questions, Brian. 8-)

Well, he is certainly no authority on English.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 9:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) One might ask you the very same questions, Brian. 8-) I've never claimed to be an expert on Islam, Lionel.  I can however point out the fallacies of the way some people here think it might work.    ::)

You propagate fallacies, Brain. For example, the fallacy that one must be made an authority on Islam to offer a valid opinion or criticism.

Stupid fallacy, you propagate it. And you are still too dozy to understand the difference between basic English words like who and whom.  That's why you are yawning so much - even simple things tax your negligible mental faculties.

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 12:25am: Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 9:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) One might ask you the very same questions, Brian. 8-) I've never claimed to be an expert on Islam, Lionel.  I can however point out the fallacies of the way some people here think it might work.    ::) You propagate fallacies, Brain. For example, the fallacy that one must be made an authority on Islam to offer a valid opinion or criticism. Stupid fallacy, you propagate it. And you are still too dozy to understand the difference between basic English words like who and whom.  That's why you are yawning so much - even simple things tax your negligible mental faculties.

Soren, you and your friends prove every day that you don't need to be very knowledgeable about Islam to offer a comment on how Muslims act, behave, think...   ::)

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1827/YIgvj8.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 12:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 12:25am: Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 9:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) One might ask you the very same questions, Brian. 8-) I've never claimed to be an expert on Islam, Lionel.  I can however point out the fallacies of the way some people here think it might work.    ::) You propagate fallacies, Brain. For example, the fallacy that one must be made an authority on Islam to offer a valid opinion or criticism. Stupid fallacy, you propagate it. And you are still too dozy to understand the difference between basic English words like who and whom.  That's why you are yawning so much - even simple things tax your negligible mental faculties. Soren, you and your friends prove every day that you don't need to be very knowledgeable about Islam to offer a comment on how Muslims act, behave, think...   ::) http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1827/YIgvj8.jpg

I didn't realise that Islam was only about women's head covering.

When did this happen, Propaganda Minister?

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

I didn't realise that Islam was only about women's head covering. When did this happen, Propaganda Minister?

You're the one who spouts so much about what Muslim women choose to wear on their heads, Soren...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 12:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 12:25am: Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 9:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) One might ask you the very same questions, Brian. 8-) I've never claimed to be an expert on Islam, Lionel.  I can however point out the fallacies of the way some people here think it might work.    ::) You propagate fallacies, Brain. For example, the fallacy that one must be made an authority on Islam to offer a valid opinion or criticism. Stupid fallacy, you propagate it. And you are still too dozy to understand the difference between basic English words like who and whom.  That's why you are yawning so much - even simple things tax your negligible mental faculties. Soren, you and your friends prove every day that you don't need to be very knowledgeable about Islam to offer a comment on how Muslims act, behave, think...   ::) http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1827/YIgvj8.jpg

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This old chestnut.

It's completely wrong, as I explained to one of my Muslim workmates.

Christian nuns are 'married to Christ', and as such their headdress signifies they do not lay down with mortal men for carnal pleasure. Nuns are not part of the laity as Muslim women are who wear 'the veil'.

Muslim women swanning around with their pretentious head-scarves is a fraud and a lie. They sleep with their men. They indulge in 'pleasures of the flesh' and are therefore 'fallen women' as Eve was.

   

Maybe so, Herbie but all those women wear head dresses for the same reasons Muslim women do - and as Soren keeps telling us - to mark them as different from what the rest of society looks and does...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Maybe so, Herbie but all those women wear head dresses for the same reasons Muslim women do - and as Soren keeps telling us - to mark them as different from what the rest of society looks and does...   ::)

Why else would they do it?

'Look at moi, devout Muslimmah here, look, LOOK".

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm: Maybe so, Herbie but all those women wear head dresses for the same reasons Muslim women do - and as Soren keeps telling us - to mark them as different from what the rest of society looks and does...   ::) Why else would they do it? 'Look at moi, devout Muslimmah here, look, LOOK".

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122743/2332810-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::)

Brian,

Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold.

Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ?






http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/pics/large/949.jpg



Quote:

Heroes in Egypt Confront Islamist Ideology by Michael Armanious March 7, 2015 .......About a month after Sisi's heroic speech, in which he said, "We must revolutionize our religion," Ibrahim Eissa, an Egyptian journalist and another hero of the Middle East, backed him up. Eissa said on Egyptian television, on February 3, that no one in Egypt has had the courage to admit that the ideology and activities of ISIS are based on Islamic sources. Eissa added,     "when the people of ISIS perpetrate slaughter, murder, rape, immolation, and all those barbaric crimes, they say that they are relying on the sharia. They say that this is based on a certain hadith, on a certain Quranic chapter, on a certain saying of Ibn Taymiyyah, or on some historical event. To tell the truth, everything that ISIS says is correct."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5322/sisi-egypt-islamist-ideology





Brian,

gandalf claims that ISLAM 'is the path to goodness and decency'.



polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

There are a great many muslims who are good decent people[/b] - and whats more (and this is the bit I want to stress) ....they [the good, decent moslems] believe the islamic religion is the path to goodness and decency. Give credit for that, even if you don't share their doctrinal views. Don't become a grumpy old Yadda.

Brian,

QUESTION;
Why should i uncritically accept gandalf's opinion of ISLAM ???

Should i uncritically accept gandalf's opinion of ISLAM, simply because gandalf is a moslem ?

Is that your argument ?

Yadda wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ?

Yes.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 12:03am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ? Yes.   ::)

'Yes', is just an opinion.

And your unsubstantiated opinion, isn't worth very much, imo.

Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 12:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:03am: Yadda wrote on Mar 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ? Yes.   ::) 'Yes', is just an opinion. And your unsubstantiated opinion, isn't worth very much, imo.

IYO, perhaps.  In the opinion of others?  Y. you're too full of yourself IMO.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:52am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:03am: Yadda wrote on Mar 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ? Yes.   ::) 'Yes', is just an opinion. And your unsubstantiated opinion, isn't worth very much, imo. IYO, perhaps.  In the opinion of others?  Y. you're too full of yourself IMO.   ::)

You just don't understand me, brian.

You need to be more tolerant, and less bigoted, towards people who do not share your view of things.




Definition:
Bigots, are people who are, ".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:10pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:52am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:03am: Yadda wrote on Mar 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ? Yes.   ::) 'Yes', is just an opinion. And your unsubstantiated opinion, isn't worth very much, imo. IYO, perhaps.  In the opinion of others?  Y. you're too full of yourself IMO.   ::) You just don't understand me, brian. You need to be more tolerant, and less bigoted, towards people who do not share your view of things. Definition: Bigots, are people who are, ".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

Here's one for Spineless Apologetics, FD.

Better put Y in the Wiki with Cods.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:52am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:03am: Yadda wrote on Mar 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ? Yes.   ::) 'Yes', is just an opinion. And your unsubstantiated opinion, isn't worth very much, imo. IYO, perhaps.  In the opinion of others?  Y. you're too full of yourself IMO.   ::)

In the opinion of others you are not just full of yourself, Brain but of  - how does PB like to say it? ah yes - stool. You are full of stool.


You ask others in broken English for the source of their authority on Islam and you bleat about 'maddrassa'.  The source of yours? A few secularist have a similar opinion as yours. In other words it's just your feeling. No authority, no scholarship, no learning.   But you are stupid and dishonest enough to think that you can set higher standards for others than you set for yourself

Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

You just don't understand me, brian.

Don't I, Y?  I believe I understand your thinking rather well actually...   ::)

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:10pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:52am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2015 at 12:03am: Yadda wrote on Mar 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 8:34pm: Y, whom made you an authority on Islam?  Which Madrassah did you attend?  ::) Brian, Lots of secularists share the same opinion of ISLAM, as i hold. Does that mean that i, or they, are wrong, in our opinion of ISLAM ? Yes.   ::) 'Yes', is just an opinion. And your unsubstantiated opinion, isn't worth very much, imo. IYO, perhaps.  In the opinion of others?  Y. you're too full of yourself IMO.   ::) In the opinion of others you are not just full of yourself, Brain but of  - how does PB like to say it? ah yes - stool. You are full of stool.

Really?  I've never read that comment from him, Soren.  Got a link to it?  Or is it just something you've made up and attributed to him to cover your own tracks?   ::)


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You ask others in broken English for the source of their authority on Islam and you bleat about 'maddrassa'.  The source of yours? A few secularist have a similar opinion as yours. In other words it's just your feeling. No authority, no scholarship, no learning.   But you are stupid and dishonest enough to think that you can set higher standards for others than you set for yourself

My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  You, OTOH appear to feel that you can criticise anybody for their decision to believe what they want.  I suppose it goes with your trick-cyclist training, interfering in the decisions of others.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  You, OTOH appear to feel that you can criticise anybody for their decision to believe what they want.  I suppose it goes with your trick-cyclist training, interfering in the decisions of others.    ::)

My opinion about Nazism/Stalinism/Satanism is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion/creed.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  You, OTOH appear to feel that you can criticise anybody for their decision to believe what they want.  I suppose it goes with your trick-cyclist training, interfering in the decisions of others.    ::)


See how stupid you are??



Yes, I do feel and think that I can criticise anybody for their decision to believe in crap, no matter how much they want to believe in it. Since when has your wanting to believe in something been a sufficient shield from criticism???


But being the racist, small-minded parochial bigot that you are, you reserve this shelter only for people who want to destroy Western civilisation. You have no similar scruples about attacking people who believe in upholding Western beliefs in the face of Muslim or other intrusions. You do not respect THEIR decision to believe what they want to believe.

I am amazed just how stupid you are to come up with a threshold of judgement - let people believe what they want to believe - that you violate and trample in every post you make.
But then you simply could not have the views you do if you were not a complete idiot with no rhyme or reason, no cohesion, no consistency from one turn in your fish bowl to the next.

I find your usual attacks on me personally just so amusing, Soren.  They prove that you can't discuss the issues..   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

I find your usual attacks on me personally just so amusing, Soren.  They prove that you can't discuss the issues..   ::)

I do enjoy dissecting your various psycho-pathologies. I do not practice any more so I have only your shining stupidity, rather than your subjectivity, to consider on these non-professional boards.

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 6:45pm: I find your usual attacks on me personally just so amusing, Soren.  They prove that you can't discuss the issues..   ::) I do enjoy dissecting your various psycho-pathologies. I do not practice any more so I have only your shining stupidity, rather than your subjectivity, to consider on these non-professional boards.

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.

So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain?

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain?

When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain? When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism...   ::)

So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them.

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain?

It’s vicious, old boy, it really is. He does not have the right to offend you so.

There there.

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain? When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism...   ::) So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them.

Of course you do. They don’t have the right to offend you.

You come from a superior culture, remember?

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain? When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism...   ::) So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them.

And when they don't, Soren, what happens then?

Your problem is you make no effort to differentiate between those private Muslims and the public Muslims...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 5:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain? When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism...   ::) So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them. And when they don't, Soren, what happens then? Your problem is you make no effort to differentiate between those private Muslims and the public Muslims...   ::)

  ;D  ;D ;D
You silly ass.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 5:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:21am: My opinion about Islam is that it is the choice of the individual if they wish to be a part of that organised religion.  I have no right to interfere in their choice, Soren as I am neither a relative nor their parent.  So why do you think you have the right to interfere with or criticise what I believe about Islam, Brain? When you make that criticism public, Soren, then I have a right in turn to criticise your criticism...   ::) So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them. And when they don't, Soren, what happens then?

Well, then they do not parade their beliefs and so you do not know what they believe - and so you don't care, like you don't care about anyone else's beliefs in the public space.

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 11:37pm: Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 5:02pm: So when they make their beliefs public, I have the right to criticise them. And when they don't, Soren, what happens then? Your problem is you make no effort to differentiate between those private Muslims and the public Muslims...   ::)   ;D  ;D ;D You silly ass.

I love your continued resorting to ad hominem debate, Soren.  It just proves the point, you can't respect anyone else's opinion...   ::)

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Well, then they do not parade their beliefs and so you do not know what they believe - and so you don't care, like you don't care about anyone else's beliefs in the public space.

So, why are you so irate about Muslim women wearing the Hijab?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:42pm: Well, then they do not parade their beliefs and so you do not know what they believe - and so you don't care, like you don't care about anyone else's beliefs in the public space. So, why are you so irate about Muslim women wearing the Hijab?   ::)

It is a sign, a shibboleth, a harbinger of the unfreedom Islam is spreading.

Soren wrote on Mar 16^th, 2015 at 12:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:38pm: Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:42pm: Well, then they do not parade their beliefs and so you do not know what they believe - and so you don't care, like you don't care about anyone else's beliefs in the public space. So, why are you so irate about Muslim women wearing the Hijab?   ::) It is a sign, a shibboleth, a harbinger of the unfreedom Islam is spreading.

And not a sign of the unfreedom you have imported, shurely.

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:38pm: Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:42pm: Well, then they do not parade their beliefs and so you do not know what they believe - and so you don't care, like you don't care about anyone else's beliefs in the public space. So, why are you so irate about Muslim women wearing the Hijab?   ::) It is a sign, a shibboleth, a harbinger of the unfreedom Islam is spreading. And not a sign of the unfreedom you have imported, shurely.

Funny how, for the cardboard brains like you,  the people who speak - not shoot or behead - for Western values are the spreaders of unfreedom and the guys who are hot for sharia and the subjugation of women are the great agents of freedom.

Soren wrote on Mar 19^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 12:36pm: Soren wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:38pm: Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:42pm: Well, then they do not parade their beliefs and so you do not know what they believe - and so you don't care, like you don't care about anyone else's beliefs in the public space. So, why are you so irate about Muslim women wearing the Hijab?   ::) It is a sign, a shibboleth, a harbinger of the unfreedom Islam is spreading. And not a sign of the unfreedom you have imported, shurely. Funny how, for the cardboard brains like you,  the people who speak - not shoot or behead - for Western values are the spreaders of unfreedom and the guys who are hot for sharia and the subjugation of women are the great agents of freedom.

Which Western values do you speak for, old boy?

Apart from carpet-bombing the tinted races, state-sanctioned torture, and giving ladies in burqas a piece of your mind.

I’m curious.