http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/australian-story/



IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/28/1227039/348266-103edd52-2db4-11e4-b89e-184ce1a188b9.jpg

Dr Jamal Rifi - is on ABC, Australia Story tonight


Dr Jamal Rifi is just a 'good and decent moslem', who is so grateful to Australia, and Australians.

Dr Jamal Rifi, is a moslem, and he is an a advocate for a fair go for members of the moslem community in Australia.




BUT LETS EXPLORE A LITTLE MORE, WHAT THIS ALL MEANS;

ISLAM, is the religion of the moslems.

Mainstream ISLAM [as an article of faith!] promotes the murder of those who reject ISLAM.

Dr Jamal Rifi, is a moslem.

Dr Jamal Rifi, is a supporter of ISLAM,
.....that is what a moslem is, a supporter of ISLAM!




PROPOSITION;
Dr Jamal Rifi presents himself to us [to Australia], as a 'good and decent moslem', who loves, and is so grateful to Australia, and Australians.

If that is so, then why is a 'good and decent' person like Dr Jamal Rifi happy to belong to, and be a member of, the moslem community in Australia ?

I ask that question, because the moslem community support and promote a philosophy [ISLAM] which actually encourages its members [moslems!] to to fight against and murder [i.e. engage in religious violence, Jihad, against] those who reject ISLAM's 'invitation'.


QUESTIONS;
Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], defend such a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ?

Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], willingly be a member of a community of people, who support and promote the spread of a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ?




QUESTIONS;
Why won't the Australian public broadcaster, the ABC, ask prominent moslems in Australia, these questions about ISLAM ?

Why won't the Australian public broadcaster, the ABC, ask prominent moslems in Australia, questions about the religious violence which mainstream ISLAM clearly promotes [as is plainly evidenced within ISLAM's religious texts] ?





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Listen to what another Australian moslem [who knows his religion, and is proud of his religion], recently said about his religious obligation, as a moslem, to ISLAM -------- >



Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"


Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam





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Yadda said....

Quote:

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems] that it is 'lawful' for them [moslems], to kill those, who do not believe, as they [moslems] believe. That is what a moslem is.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21

Quote:

THE PERSON WHO DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE, A MOSLEM  ------- > By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM. That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'. And these monsters [moslems] live among us.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

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FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!     ------ >


IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/


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FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!

Jamal rifi is a muslim?

No way.

Thanks for the heads up yadda

wally1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Jamal rifi is a muslim? No way. Thanks for the heads up yadda

You are a muslim right Wally? Can I ask you something? Did that Egyptian cleric have a horn growing out of his forehead that was cut off? :-? :-?

'Hug a moslem night' on the ABC again? For farrrrrkkkk'ssss sake!!!

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

'Hug a moslem night' on the ABC again? For farrrrrkkkk'ssss sake!!!

Matty, when was the last time you were hugged by a Muslim?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 9th, 2015 at 12:13pm: Jamal rifi is a muslim? No way. Thanks for the heads up yadda You are a muslim right Wally? Can I ask you something? Did that Egyptian cleric have a horn growing out of his forehead that was cut off? :-? :-?

I don't even know what your talking about.

What Egyptian cleric?

I don't even know why the topic is in the extremism section.

wally1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

I don't even know why the topic is in the extremism section.

well its Yadda so...

wally1 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

I don't even know why the topic is in the extremism section.

Yadda is an extremist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 9th, 2015 at 2:15pm: I don't even know why the topic is in the extremism section. Yadda is an extremist.

The truth is a very dangerous thing,      ....to liars.



And, Yadda is an extremist.

Someone should lock up people like Yadda,
.....so as to stop them from telling people what they do not want to hear.




"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
- George Orwell



"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell





On the other side of the argument, we are continually assured that;


"ISLAM is peace."


And 'Peace' begins, with the submission of the infidel, to the will of the moslem, the slave of Allah.    ------- >


"....you acquire peace through it."



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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

EXAMPLE - moslems promoting ISLAM in Australia.....

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IMAGE....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.



Quote:

Darwin's Muslim leaders and NT police discuss hijab harassment and racism at community meeting 105.7 ABC Darwin By Emilia Terzon .....Darwin's Islamic community has gathered to address concerns about the harassment of women in religious dress in the Northern Territory. ...... ...... .....Mr Razi [the event's moderator] said the event helped reinforce the importance of cross-community collaboration to tackle Islamophobia. ...... ...... .....Mr Razi, an 18 year-old medical student originally born in Saudi Arabia, described his faith as a peaceful religion. "Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its teachings, I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt




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Quote:

July 28, 2006 Islamic Dictionary for Infidels ...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google




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Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"



Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 9th, 2015 at 2:15pm: I don't even know why the topic is in the extremism section. Yadda is an extremist.

                                                  http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/54482600.jpg

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2015 at 3:40pm: wally1 wrote on Mar 9th, 2015 at 2:15pm: I don't even know why the topic is in the extremism section. Yadda is an extremist. The truth is a very dangerous thing,      ....to liars.

Normally, I'd suggest that you have a lot to worry about then Yadda!  However, I have a sneaking suspicion that you really do believe what you're typing...   :o :( ;D :D :o :( ;D :D

Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014." Mr Yunus is a moslem. Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

You really are a pitiful creature Yadda.

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

'Hug a moslem night' on the ABC again? For farrrrrkkkk'ssss sake!!!

I know. It’s Scott Morrison who’s doing all the hugging too. He seems to genuinely like this guy.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

Quote: "Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014." Mr Yunus is a moslem. Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM. You really are a pitiful creature Yadda.

Yeah, thank you for your contribution gandalf.

Dr Jamal Rifi makes the claim that ISLAM is "our peaceful religion",       .....and that ignorant and bigoted people [i.e. people like ISIS] are responsible for demonising innocent members of the moslem community in Australia [i.e. in the eyes of their fellow Australians].

Dr Jamal Rifi seems to be suggesting, that the moslem community in Australia are [largely] innocents, who are being unfairly criticised and demonised, by many of their fellow Australians.



look here ---------- >

Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411079882/3#3

or;
look here ---------- >

Google;
"our peaceful religion" - Dr Jamal Rifi




But the claim coming from Dr Jamal Rifi, that 'ISLAM is a peaceful religion', and that it is only the actions of some moslems [i.e. people like ISIS], which is bringing ISLAM into disrepute, are not believable.

Such claims, by Dr Jamal Rifi, are not credible.

Dr Jamal Rifi is either totally ignorant [about ISLAM's core teachings and core doctrines], or Dr Jamal Rifi is deliberately lying to us.

And how likely is it, that Dr Jamal Rifi, a moslem, and a spokesman for the moslem community in Australia, knows next to nothing about the core teachings and core doctrines of ISLAM ???



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ISLAM IS A VICIOUS, MURDEROUS AND DECEITFUL, DEATH CULT


Within its 'religious' texts, ISLAM declares TO THE WHOLE WORLD, that it is a DESIRABLE, and glorious death, for 'the moslem' who is killed fighting for Allah's cause [Allah's cause, being the murder and enslavement and oppression of all mankind].

ISLAM's adherents are taught - FROM CHILDHOOD - that to seek [their own] violent death, in Jihad [in Allah's cause], is a glorious and moral undertaking.

So it must be asked, how likely is it that Dr Jamal Rifi, a moslem, knows absolutely nothing about ISLAM's doctrines of Jihad and martyrdom ???



The 'ideal' of martyrdom [the 'ideal' of a moslem leaving his home, to go to the battlefield, to die, while fighting for Allah's cause] is promoted and encouraged throughout ISLAMIC 'religious' texts, e.g. the Hadith ------- >

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072





"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.



"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025




Allah, in the Koran [also] praises the death of moslems, while seeking to kill his [Allah's] enemies ----- >


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111




Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

'ISLAM is.....'

Google;
"our peaceful religion" - Dr Jamal Rifi


For a moment, lets just compare the 'protestations' by Dr Jamal Rifi, with the spoken words of another Australian born moslem ------- >




FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!     ------ >


EXAMPLE #1,

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg


Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php







NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, AS HE SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - WHO HAVE BECOME AWARE OF HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS

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LISTEN TO, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, AS HE PROMOTES ISLAM AS A PEACEFUL RELIGION

.....just as people like Dr Jamal Rifi, and gandalf [on this forum], do.

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Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood;


Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"... "I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html



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FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!




QUESTION;

When any moslem [e.g. Dr Jamal Rifi] claims that 'ISLAM is a peaceful religion', how can we know, that their character is any different from a liar like Sheik Feiz Mohammed [see article above] ?

We cannot.



For a moslem like Dr Jamal Rifi to make the claim that ISLAM is "our peaceful religion", thereby inferring to all, that ISLAM is a peaceful religion, is both offensive and absurd.

And making such a patently absurd claim, does Dr Jamal Rifi no credit.

Did you watch Australian Story, Y?

I'm curious.

Karnal wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

Did you watch Australian Story, Y? I'm curious.

Yes i did!




And Dr Jamal Rifi, is a moslem.     [and he is playing the moslem victimhood card, in Australia, for all that it is worth, imo!]

And i was really disappointed to see Scott Morrison so effusively praising Dr Jamal Rifi on the Australian Story piece.

It saddened to see that Scott Morrison has been apparently 'taken in' by the arguments and rhetoric coming from the moslem community.



ISLAM is a philosophy which promotes and encourages moslems [who live within a stronger non-moslem jurisdiction] to engage in a relationship of veiled hostility towards that non-moslem jurisdiction.

And then when moslems individual 'fail to thrive' within any non-moslem jurisdiction, the moslem community en-masse claim victimhood status, and insistently claim that moslems are the victims of hostility and prejudice from non-moslems.







Quote:

July 28, 2006 Islamic Dictionary for Infidels ...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google



Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




K,

I am quite certain that Dr Jamal Rifi knows very well, what ISLAM is,       and that he knows and understands what ISLAM promotes, and what its 'intent' towards the host non-moslem jurisdiction is.

Dr Jamal Rifi, is a moslem.

Dr Jamal Rifi [like almost every moslem], would never denounce and renounce ISLAM, even though he is aware of its nefarious and evil nature.

To do such a thing would cost the 'good' Dr too much, socially, societally.

Dr Jamal Rifi, is a 'big man', in the moslem community, in Australia.





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Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

PROPOSITION; Dr Jamal Rifi presents himself to us [to Australia], as a 'good and decent moslem', who loves, and is so grateful to Australia, and Australians. If that is so, then why is a 'good and decent' person like Dr Jamal Rifi happy to belong to, and be a member of, the moslem community in Australia ? I ask that question, because the moslem community support and promote a philosophy [ISLAM] which actually encourages its members [moslems!] to to fight against and murder [i.e. engage in religious violence, Jihad, against] those who reject ISLAM's 'invitation'. QUESTIONS; Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], defend such a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ? Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], willingly be a member of a community of people, who support and promote the spread of a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ?

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'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO'


Quote:

"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them. .....Aggression is something only infidels do. .....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace..... ......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."

"ISLAM SEEKS PEACE - Oh really!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258072652/1#1

Karnal wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

Did you watch Australian Story, Y? I'm curious.

Yadda never leaves the house, of course he watched it.

Its not like he has a life

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg
Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822


Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.



(I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers)

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers)

JIHAD!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What a pack of nutters.

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers)

So all people who call themselves jesus, moses, abraham are good people?

Its just a name and has no bearing on the success of a individual.

wally1 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers) So all people who call themselves jesus, moses, abraham are good people? Its just a name and has no bearing on the success of a individual.

Having the name Jihad is sure going to help him get a job and integrate into Australian society. He'll end up one very isolated person thanks to daddy.

wally1 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers) So all people who call themselves jesus, moses, abraham are good people? Its just a name and has no bearing on the success of a individual.

Sure. Everyone knows that jihad is peace. We see it on ISIL videos every week.




Jihad:  a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty

Jesus:  "God saves."

Abraham: "Father of a multitude."




It's all the same. Islam is the Religion of Peace, no?



Do a Google image search of Jihad, Jesus and Abraham.  See if you notice any difference in the imagery. Only one of them has lots of weapons.
Can you guess which one?  Clue: it's not Jesus or Abraham.

Your time starts now.

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:45pm:

wally1 wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 7:39pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers) So all people who call themselves jesus, moses, abraham are good people? Its just a name and has no bearing on the success of a individual. Sure. Everyone knows that jihad is peace. We see it on ISIL videos every week. Jihad:  a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty Jesus:  "God saves." Abraham: "Father of a multitude." It's all the same. Islam is the Religion of Peace, no? Do a Google image search of Jihad, Jesus and Abraham.  See if you notice any difference in the imagery. Only one of them has lots of weapons. Can you guess which one?  Clue: it's not Jesus or Abraham. Your time starts now.

You saying jesus had no weapons,LMAO

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122743/2332810-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

what he is saying is that if your called Jihad your more prone to violence.

for example.

Jihad bush
jihad netanyahu
jihad obama
jihad hilter
jihad putin
jihad breivik

wally1 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community? what he is saying is that if your called Jihad your more prone to violence. for example. Jihad bush jihad netanyahu jihad obama jihad hilter jihad putin jihad breivik

Jihad Bin Laden, Jihad Hussein, Jihad ISIS Head Chopper.

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers) JIHAD!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What a pack of nutters.

Matty, you've got to stop being so judgemental all the time!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers) JIHAD!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What a pack of nutters. Matty, you've got to stop being so judgemental all the time!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

That's like calling your kid Hitler!!

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

WITHIN THE POSSIBLE 'UNIVERSE' OF 'JIHAD OPERATIONS', TWO EXTREMES OF PARTICIPATION AND 'MEANINGFUL' EFFORT EXIST ------- >

1/ Persons like Aussie Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq [and Boko Haram in Nigeria] support a violent 'sledge hammer' style of Jihad.


2/ And imo, Dr Jamal Rifi, the moslem [who lives here, in Australia, within a strong non-moslem jurisdiction], is fully engaged in Stealth Jihad.




THE TWO FACES OF THE 'AUSSIE MOSLEM' ----------- >


IMAGE #1....
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/07/30/1227007/610484-6efa2fec-17af-11e4-8b83-8df6d69c6921.jpg
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/07/30/1227007/610484-6efa2fec-17af-11e4-8b83-8df6d69c6921.jpg

Aussie Mohamed Elomar [wanna-be MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC], while in Astralia,

A MOSLEM 'BOY', HAVING TO 'SUFFER' BEING 'CONSTRAINED' BY THE LAWS OF AUSTRALIA.




IMAGE #2....
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

Aussie Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq, having reverted to type.

MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC - 'AT HOME ON THE RANGE' WHERE THE LAWS OF ALLAH PREVAIL





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Pay attention to the description of these two circumstances, SANITY and INSANITY  ------ >

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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY. Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0



All moslems, imo, have a damaged [destroyed!!!] psyche.

And [predominantly] it isn't the freedoms and laws of Australian society, nor, the influence of 'discriminatory' Australian's, who are responsible for damaging the psyche of moslems [i.e. FOR 'RADICALISING' MOSLEMS].

It is ISLAM, which is doing that!





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Yadda said....

Quote:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Stealth Jihad ?

Google it!



Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0



Google;
destroy western civilization from within, destroy "its miserable house"

Google;
western nations face huge threat from stealth jihad

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

My argument, against the presumed and declared virtue, of the 'good' Dr is this ------- >




Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

PROPOSITION; Dr Jamal Rifi presents himself to us [to Australia], as a 'good and decent moslem', who loves, and is so grateful to Australia, and Australians. If that is so, then why is a 'good and decent' person like Dr Jamal Rifi happy to belong to, and be a member of, the moslem community in Australia ? I ask that question, because the moslem community support and promote a philosophy [ISLAM] which actually encourages its members [moslems!] to to fight against and murder [i.e. engage in religious violence, Jihad, against] those who reject ISLAM's 'invitation'. QUESTIONS; Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], defend such a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ? Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], willingly be a member of a community of people, who support and promote the spread of a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ?

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Yadda said....

Quote:

There is no 'peaceful' ISLAM. There is no 'tolerant' ISLAM. There is no moderate ISLAM. ISLAM is a vicious, murderous and deceitful, death cult. THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Yadda said....

Quote:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

That's like calling your kid Hitler!!

Nothing new there, Matty/et al.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community? If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter?

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 2:06pm: two minutes hate wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e4-b56d-3a1fe581cea9.jpg Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-rifi-to-tackle-radicals/story-e6frg8yo-1227021107822 Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. (I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers) JIHAD!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What a pack of nutters. Matty, you've got to stop being so judgemental all the time!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D That's like calling your kid Hitler!!

How many of your children have you named Hitler, Matty?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Quote:

So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter?

if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of: 

jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right.

moses wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Quote: So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter? if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:  jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc. are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right.

And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that ?     [Yadda - i.e. THAT ISLAM PROMOTES 'STUFF' LIKE LYING, POLITICAL INTIMIDATION, HATRED, AND 'LAWFUL' MURDER]

#1,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >



"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb





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#2,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >

http://img.youtube.com/vi/sjGjj6VSmSQ/0.jpg

"ISLAM is a peaceful, tolerant faith."

....insist an international coterie of Islamic scholars who all back MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC doctrines.





Quote:

6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State Robert Spencer      Sep 30, 2014 Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State. In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....     At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam. [BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endorsed-as-they-condemned-the-islamic-state
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endorsed-as-they-condemned-the-islamic-state/?singlepage=true





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#3,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >


Quote:

Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam. June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad      · 2 Comments The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said: .......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends. Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war. They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized. If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-some-scholars-regarded-it-as-the-sixth-pillar-of-islam/





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#4,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >


IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

|dev|null wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

moses wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 3:15pm: Quote: So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter? if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:  jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc. are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right. And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Is it possible to be educated, well-adjusted - and still believe in the Koran and hadith?

The question for the ages.  Thanks for articulating it despite yourself.

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community? If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

Actually, old boy, it’s not possible, remember? Always, absolutely, never ever.

You must have forgot.

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 12:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 6:26pm: Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences. Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community? If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness. Actually, old boy, it’s not possible, remember? Always, absolutely, never ever. You must have forgot.

I know, hence my rhetorical question mark.

Nobody believes the sh!te about Rifi being a representative Muslim voice. There wouldn't be a Muslim problem if Rifi was representative. Rifi is significant precisely because he is not representative of Muslims. It wouldn't have taken so long for someone like him to surface of he was really the norm.

And even he named his boy Jihad. And that's supposed to be the voice f sanity among western Muslims.





"Heil, ve are German immigrants to Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Israel, Ostraya. Ve really vant to fit in.
Zoo, ve call all our firstborn boyz Adolf and dress in national SS Totenkopf uniform.  Nuffin to do wiv nuffin'. Do not read anyfink into it, you anti-aryan oppressor'i

Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism?

Hmmm question for the ages...

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

"Heil, ve are German immigrants to Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Israel, Ostraya. Ve really vant to fit in. Zoo, ve call all our firstborn boyz Adolf and dress in national SS Totenkopf uniform.  Nuffin to do wiv nuffin'. Do not read anyfink into it, you anti-aryan oppressor'

;D



;)




Stand ISLAM and Nazism, side by side, and you won't see even a sliver of fascist light between them!

But no political authority in the West today, is yet willing to 'fess up', and publicly acknowledge that fact.

And that circumstance, to me, is absolutely appalling.





Google;
similarity between islam and nazism

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 3:46pm: moses wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 3:15pm: Quote: So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter? if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:  jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc. are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right. And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Is it possible to be educated, well-adjusted - and still believe in the Koran and hadith?

Is it possible to be educated, well-adjusted - and still believe in the Bible?

The question for the ages.  Thanks for articulating it despite yourself!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Hot breath wrote:
Quote:

And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that?

All of the muslims who refuse to denounce the said teachings as evil, wrong and not fit for the 21st century (meaning all living muslims).

Find one who doesn't believe the evil, depraved teachings of  jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc. are infallible, perfect and can never be changed.

Oh and before you resort to the usual islamic terror apologist's standard "what about the O.T law, when are christians going to renounce it?.

I will give you the standard answer: Already done 2015 years ago as written in Luke 16:16  Romans 3:20  Romans 3:28  Galatians 2:16  Galatians 3:11 

Is it possible to be stupid, mendacious, educated, well-adjusted, and be opposed to violence and terrorism?

It is the question for the ages. Isn't it.

FYI, apologists, I am a man of many socks, but I am not Matty. Then again, leftards like Carnal aren't afraid of being wrong.

|dev|null wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 10:31pm: |dev|null wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 3:46pm: moses wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 3:15pm: Quote: So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter? if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:  jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc. are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right. And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Is it possible to be educated, well-adjusted - and still believe in the Koran and hadith? Is it possible to be educated, well-adjusted - and still believe in the Bible? The question for the ages.  Thanks for articulating it despite yourself!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

SO what's your answer, thicko?

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

FYI, apologists, I am a man of many socks, but I am not Matty. Then again, leftards like Carnal aren't afraid of being wrong.

I’m not.wrong, Homo. I’m mendacious.

You?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism? Hmmm question for the ages...

Well, he perhaps had a change of heart since the naming of that boy.

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

FYI, apologists, I am a man of many socks, but I am not Matty. Then again, leftards like Carnal aren't afraid of being wrong.

Really?   ::)

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 10:05am: Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism? Hmmm question for the ages... Well, he perhaps had a change of heart since the naming of that boy.

Maybe "Jihad" has more meaning than you're willing to accept, Soren?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 5:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 10:05am: Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism? Hmmm question for the ages... Well, he perhaps had a change of heart since the naming of that boy. Maybe "Jihad" has more meaning than you're willing to accept, Soren?   ::)

That's right, Brian.

'JIHAD', means peace.


Honest, it does!!    :D



Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood;


Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"... "I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html



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http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg


Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php








Brian,

'JIHAD', means peace.

Honest, it does!!    :D





Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt



EXAMPLE - of moslems promoting ISLAM 'peace' in Australia.....

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IMAGE....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.





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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 5:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 10:05am: Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism? Hmmm question for the ages... Well, he perhaps had a change of heart since the naming of that boy. Maybe "Jihad" has more meaning than you're willing to accept, Soren?   ::)

That's right, Brian.

JIHAD, means peace.

ISLAM, means peace.

MOHAMMED, means peace.

ABDULLAH, means peace.



And 'BRIAN', means peace means a snake in the grass!


:)

Quote:

jihad Pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/ (also jehad) Definition of jihad in English: noun 1(Among Muslims) a war or struggle against unbelievers: he declared a jihad against the infidels [mass noun]: the importance of jihad as a uniting force 1.1 (also greater jihad) Islam The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. Origin From Arabic jihād, literally 'effort', expressing, in Muslim thought, struggle on behalf of God and Islam.

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/jihad]Source[/url]

Keep trying though, its quite amusing watching you and Soren Jihad to understand Islam.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 5:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 10:05am: Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism? Hmmm question for the ages... Well, he perhaps had a change of heart since the naming of that boy. Maybe "Jihad" has more meaning than you're willing to accept, Soren?   ::)

It doesn't.

Jihad is fighting in the way of Islam - Islam being a supremacist, completely intolerant and uncompromising creed that will not be satiated until it dominates the world - or is eradicated.

Fighting for that in whatever capacity - bombs, prayers, self-flagellation, fapping (your speciality) -  is a pretty F Vcked mission for completely f vcked up people.

I baptise you Jihad Brain, Brain,  for you fit the bill perfectly -  a w@nker in the cause of an uncompromising, violent menace.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

Quote: jihad Pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/ (also jehad) Definition of jihad in English: noun 1(Among Muslims) a war or struggle against unbelievers: he declared a jihad against the infidels [mass noun]: the importance of jihad as a uniting force 1.1 (also greater jihad) Islam The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. Origin From Arabic jihād, literally 'effort', expressing, in Muslim thought, struggle on behalf of God and Islam. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/jihad]Source[/url] Keep trying though, its quite amusing watching you and Soren Jihad to understand Islam.    ::)

What is Jihad, brian ???                 :o

Jihad, is whatever moslems want it to be, at this particular moment in time, brian.




Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam






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http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg


Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php







AND NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, AS HE SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - WHO HAVE BECOME AWARE OF HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS

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LISTEN TO, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, AS HE PROMOTES ISLAM AS A PEACEFUL RELIGION

.....just as people like Dr Jamal Rifi, and gandalf [on this forum], do.

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Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood;


Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"... "I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html



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Yadda wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 7:59pm: Quote: jihad Pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/ (also jehad) Definition of jihad in English: noun 1(Among Muslims) a war or struggle against unbelievers: he declared a jihad against the infidels [mass noun]: the importance of jihad as a uniting force 1.1 (also greater jihad) Islam The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. Origin From Arabic jihād, literally 'effort', expressing, in Muslim thought, struggle on behalf of God and Islam. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/jihad]Source[/url] Keep trying though, its quite amusing watching you and Soren Jihad to understand Islam.    ::) What is Jihad, brian ???                 :o Jihad, is whatever moslems want it to be, at this particular moment in time, brian.

I have supplied the Oxford Dictionary definition of what the word "Jihad" means, Y.  You can reject it, of course but you can't claim now that you don't know it.    ::)

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 5:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 10:05am: Soren do you think its at all possible to name your kid 'Jihad' and be opposed to violence and terrorism? Hmmm question for the ages... Well, he perhaps had a change of heart since the naming of that boy. Maybe "Jihad" has more meaning than you're willing to accept, Soren?   ::) It doesn't. Jihad is fighting in the way of Islam - Islam being a supremacist, completely intolerant and uncompromising creed that will not be satiated until it dominates the world - or is eradicated. Fighting for that in whatever capacity - bombs, prayers, self-flagellation, fapping (your speciality) -  is a pretty F Vcked mission for completely f vcked up people. I baptise you Jihad Brain, Brain,  for you fit the bill perfectly -  a w@nker in the cause of an uncompromising, violent menace.

Quote:

jihad Pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/ (also jehad) Definition of jihad in English: noun 1(Among Muslims) a war or struggle against unbelievers: he declared a jihad against the infidels [mass noun]: the importance of jihad as a uniting force 1.1 (also greater jihad) Islam The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. Origin From Arabic jihād, literally 'effort', expressing, in Muslim thought, struggle on behalf of God and Islam.

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/jihad]Source[/url]

Soren, I'm aware that I made my reply to Yadda only a few moments before your reply to me, so I'm willing to allow you some slack but of course, you could have used a Search Engine to discover the meaning to the word, if you'd been less Islamophobic...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:

Soren, I'm aware that I made my reply to Yadda only a few moments before your reply to me, so I'm willing to allow you some slack but of course, you could have used a Search Engine to discover the meaning to the word, if you'd been less Islamophobic...   ::)

You pompous ass.


Jihad is an effort, struggle a fight in the path of Allah and Islam and Islam is a supremacist, oppressive, uncompromising creed, demanding nothing less than submission.

So considering that Jihad is about Islam, it is a bad thing either way since Islam has nothing to recommend it.

Yadda wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 7:59pm: Quote: jihad Pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/ (also jehad) Definition of jihad in English: noun 1(Among Muslims) a war or struggle against unbelievers: he declared a jihad against the infidels [mass noun]: the importance of jihad as a uniting force 1.1 (also greater jihad) Islam The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. Origin From Arabic jihād, literally 'effort', expressing, in Muslim thought, struggle on behalf of God and Islam. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/jihad]Source[/url] Keep trying though, its quite amusing watching you and Soren Jihad to understand Islam.    ::) What is Jihad, brian ???                 :o Jihad, is whatever moslems want it to be, at this particular moment in time, brian. Google; jihad is the pinnacle of islam FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!     ------ > http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg [quote]Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php


AND NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, AS HE SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - WHO HAVE BECOME AWARE OF HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS

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LISTEN TO, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, AS HE PROMOTES ISLAM AS A PEACEFUL RELIGION

.....just as people like Dr Jamal Rifi, and gandalf [on this forum], do.

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Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood;


Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"... "I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html

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You’re right, Y. Jihad is what Muslims and others want it to mean at various moments in history.

Gandhi used the notion of Jihad in his struggle against British rule, but also in his own life, including his fasting and imprisonment for political ends. Gandhi mixed and matched a number of religious ideas from Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and yoga. For Gandhi, jihad was an implicitly non-violent struggle.

Gandhi had many Muslim followers, and many Muslim students at his ashram.

Always, absolutely, never ever, eh?

Karnal wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Gandhi used the notion of Jihad in his struggle against British rule, but also in his own life, including his fasting and imprisonment for political ends.

Utter nonsense.

Gandhi was influenced by Tolstoy, not Islam.  Nothing could be further from Islam and Jihad than Tolstoy.

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 1:28pm: Gandhi used the notion of Jihad in his struggle against British rule, but also in his own life, including his fasting and imprisonment for political ends. Utter nonsense. Gandhi was influenced by Tolstoy, not Islam.  Nothing could be further from Islam and Jihad than Tolstoy.

He was also influenced by anarchism, but that’s another story.

And he was also influenced by Islam. Can you imagine the biggest Muslim appeaser the world has ever known not using Muslim concepts in his political struggle? His idea of satyagraha, or "truth force", was modelled on jihad.

As every schoolboy knows.

Karnal wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

And he was also influenced by Islam. Can you imagine the biggest Muslim appeaser the world has ever known not using Muslim concepts in his political struggle? His idea of satyagraha, or "truth force", was modelled on jihad. As every schoolboy knows.

Nonsense. Just bollocks.


A LETTER TO A HINDU
THE SUBJECTION OF INDIA— ITS CAUSE AND CURE
With an Introduction by M. K. GANDHI

Leo Tolstoy



INTRODUCTION

The letter printed below is a translation of Tolstoy's letter written in Russian in reply to one from the Editor of Free Hindustan. After having passed from hand to hand, this letter at last came into my possession through a friend who asked me, as one much interested in Tolstoy's writings, whether I thought it worth publishing. I at once replied in the affirmative, and told him I should translate it myself into Gujarati and induce others' to translate and publish it in various Indian vernaculars.
The letter as received by me was a type-written copy. It was therefore referred to the author, who confirmed it as his and kindly granted me permission to print it.
To me, as a humble follower of that great teacher whom I have long looked upon as one of my guides, it is a matter of honour to be connected with the publication of his letter, such especially as the one which is now being given to the world.
It is a mere statement of fact to say that every Indian, whether he owns up to it or not, has national aspirations. But there are as many opinions as there are Indian nationalists as to the exact meaning of that aspiration, and more especially as to the methods to be used to attain the end.
One of the accepted and 'time-honoured' methods to attain the end is that of violence. The assassination of Sir Curzon Wylie was an illustration of that method in its worst and most detestable form. Tolstoy's life has been devoted to replacing the method of violence for removing tyranny or securing reform by the method of non-resistance to evil. He would meet hatred expressed in violence by love expressed in self-suffering. He admits of no exception to whittle down this great and divine law of love. He applies it to all the problems that trouble mankind.
When a man like Tolstoy, one of the clearest thinkers in the western world, one of the greatest writers, one who as a soldier has known what violence is and what it can do, condemns Japan for having blindly followed the law of modern science, falsely so-called, and fears for that country 'the greatest calamities', it is for us to pause and consider whether, in our impatience of English rule, we do not want to replace one evil by another and a worse. India, which is the nursery of the great faiths of the world, will cease to be nationalist India, whatever else she may become, when she goes through the process of civilization in the shape of reproduction on that sacred soil of gun factories and the hateful industrialism which has reduced the people of Europe to a state of slavery, and all but stifled among them the best instincts which are the heritage of the human family.
If we do not want the English in India we must pay the price. Tolstoy indicates it. 'Do not resist evil, but also do not yourselves participate in evil—in the violent deeds of the administration of the law courts, the collection of taxes and, what is more important, of the soldiers, and no one in the world will enslave you', passionately declares the sage of Yasnaya Polyana. Who can question the truth of what he says in the following: 'A commercial company enslaved a nation comprising two hundred millions. Tell this to a man free from superstition and he will fail to grasp what these words mean. What does it mean that thirty thousand people, not athletes, but rather weak and ordinary people, have enslaved two hundred millions of vigorous, clever, capable, freedom-loving people? Do not the figures make it clear that not the English, but the Indians, have enslaved themselves?'
One need not accept all that Tolstoy says—some of his facts are not accurately stated—to realize the central truth of his indictment of the present system, which is to understand and act upon the irresistible power of the soul over the body, of love, which is an attribute of the soul, over the brute or body force generated by the stirring in us of evil passions.
There is no doubt that there is nothing new in what Tolstoy preaches. But his presentation of the old truth is refreshingly forceful. His logic is unassailable. And above all he endeavours to practise what he preaches. He preaches to convince. He is sincere and in earnest. He commands attention.
[19th November, 1909] M. K. GANDHI
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/7176/7176-h/7176-h.htm
In this instance it is true - Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it.

Gee, that settles that, dear boy. That just proves Gandhi had nuffin to do with Hinduism, Christianity or Islam.

University of Balogney, eh? We can tell!

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 1:28pm: Gandhi used the notion of Jihad in his struggle against British rule, but also in his own life, including his fasting and imprisonment for political ends. Utter nonsense. Gandhi was influenced by Tolstoy, not Islam.  Nothing could be further from Islam and Jihad than Tolstoy.

Influence, Soren?  You do understand the meaning of the word?  You appear to take such different meanings to the rest of us for commonly used words for some reason.  ::)

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 11:56pm: Soren, I'm aware that I made my reply to Yadda only a few moments before your reply to me, so I'm willing to allow you some slack but of course, you could have used a Search Engine to discover the meaning to the word, if you'd been less Islamophobic...   ::) You pompous ass.

How is providing the definition of a word from the Oxford English Dictionary being a "pompous ass", Soren?   ::)

You don't provide a source for your definition of the word "Jihad" - why?   ::)

Karnal wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

Gee, that settles that, dear boy. That just proves Gandhi had nuffin to do with Hinduism, Christianity or Islam. University of Balogney, eh? We can tell!

Thank you 'thick 'n mendacious' PB.

You started with jihad:
Karnal wrote Yesterday at 2:28pm:
Gandhi used the notion of Jihad in his struggle against British rule, but also in his own life, including his fasting and imprisonment for political ends.



Now, like a good taqqiya merchant, you switch to Hinduism, Christianity or Islam. You sniggering loon.

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 8:57pm: Gee, that settles that, dear boy. That just proves Gandhi had nuffin to do with Hinduism, Christianity or Islam. University of Balogney, eh? We can tell! Thank you 'thick 'n mendacious' PB. You started with jihad: Karnal wrote Yesterday at 2:28pm: Gandhi used the notion of Jihad in his struggle against British rule, but also in his own life, including his fasting and imprisonment for political ends. Now, like a good taqqiya merchant, you switch to Hinduism, Christianity or Islam. You sniggering loon.

Good work, dear boy. You’ve proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that Gandhi was a devout follower of Tolstoy.

Best to leave Mormor’s rye bread alone, old chap. Have some stool instead.