http://www.danielpipes.org/pics/new/large/3128.jpg

According to non-Muslim politicians these Taliban members have nothing to do with Islam





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Why Politicians Pretend Islam Has No Role in Violence by Daniel Pipes March 9, 2015 Prominent non-Muslim political figures have embarrassed themselves by denying the self-evident connection of Islam to the Islamic State (ISIS) and to Islamist violence in Paris and Copenhagen, even claiming these are contrary to Islam. What do they hope to achieve through these falsehoods and what is their significance? ....David Cameron, the Conservative British prime minister, portrays ISIS as "extremists who want to abuse Islam" and who "pervert the Islamic faith." He calls Islam "a religion of peace" and dismisses ISIS members as not Muslims, but "monsters." His immigration minister, James Brokenshire, argues that terrorism and extremism "have nothing to do with Islam." On the Labour side, former British prime minister Tony Blair finds ISIS ideology to be "based in a complete perversion of the proper faith of Islam," while a former home secretary, Jack Straw, denounces "the medieval barbarity of ISIS and its ilk" which he deems "completely contrary to Islam." .....But, of course, this interpretation neglects the scriptures of Islam and the history of Muslims, steeped in the assumption of superiority toward non-Muslims and the righteous violence of jihad. .....Why, then, do powerful politicians make ignorant and counterproductive arguments, ones they surely know to be false.... First, they want not to offend Muslims,....

http://www.danielpipes.org/15618/islam-violence




PROPOSITION;

If ISLAM is not the primary cause, of the problem of ISLAMIC religious violence      [and that is what our political leaders [in the West] have been insistently asserting, for many decades i.e. "ISLAM is a peaceful faith."],
.....then we [who live here, within Western nations] cannot expect a solution will ever be formulated, by our political leaders in the 'West',
.....which will confront the growing threat of ISLAMIC supremacism in our midst [as the numbers of moslems within moslem communities continue to increase].

Denying that the problem of moslem religious violence, has any connection to what moslems [religiously] believe, means, that 'there is no problem' [to be confronted].

No problem, means, there is no problem which needs to be addressed !





"ISLAM is peace."

Always has been, always will be.




DO YOU DOUBT IT ???

IF YOU DO, JUST LOOK HERE.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/




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A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGES MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY,
FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems];


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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece






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Moslems are innocent, and virtuous people.

Q.
How do we know this ?

A.
Because moslems tell us this is so.            

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Yadda wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

http://www.danielpipes.org/pics/new/large/3128.jpg According to non-Muslim politicians these Taliban members have nothing to do with Islam

I was listening to a panel discussion on the ABC about what is common to young people who get radicalised and go to Syria. This was a propos the Melbourne teenager. There was a line up of scholars and researchers. They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters.

I said out loud, in the car, 'They are all Muslims'. But they didn't hear me and none of thje dared to name the common thread. It is now simply unsayable that Islam is the common thread that links all the jihadis, the suicide bombers from Melbourne, the head hackers from Sydney and London.

You simply cannot say that Islam is the thing they ALL SAY THEY BELIEVE IN. You simply cannot repeat what the jihadis say themselves if you do not want to be branded a bigot, an enemy of multiculturalism, insensitive, intolerant, etc.

It is insensitive, racist and divisive to take jihadis at their word.

Jihad is peace, Niqab is liberation, Jew hatred is solidarity. 

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters.

Frankly I don't believe they said the highlighted part. I think you just made that up as a segue for your rant.

But their point about the inability to profile is correct and 100% relevant. What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence.

Your little contribution here is not only stupid, it is completely unhelpful for the issue the program was talking about. The experts you so deride are actually interested in proper solutions to this problem - whereas you are interested in being a d**k

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

.......What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence.

gandalf's argument is, that it is wrong, for us, to group all moslems [in Australia] as being supporters of ISLAM, as being supporters of ISLAM's laws and religious tenets.

Laws and religious tenets, which support and encourage moslem religious violence [against those who reject ISLAM], whenever Allah provides an 'opportunity' for that religious violence.



gandalf argues that moslems in our midst, in Australia, "overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence."

It is true.

Ask a moslem, in Australia, and he will - OPENLY - tell you that; "Peace summarises everything in Islam"


e.g.

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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt



EXAMPLE - of moslems promoting ISLAM 'peace' in Australia.....

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IMAGE....
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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

And Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.





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Yes, it is true, a moslem, in Australia will - OPENLY - tell you that; "Peace summarises everything in Islam"


BUT - do moslems say the very same thing, when they [moslems] believe that they are talking ONLY among themselves ???


LETS LISTEN IN, AND HEAR, WHAT MOSLEMS SAY [ABOUT PEACE WITH INFIDELS], WHEN THEY [moslems] BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE TALKING ONLY AMONG THEMSELVES !!


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Published on Dec 16, 2014 PART 1- http://vimeo.com/19598947             Bare in mind this was about 8 years ago... Prime Minister Tony Blair recently described tolerance as ‘what makes Britain Britain’ but in this extensive investigation Dispatches reveals how a message of hatred and segregation is being spread throughout the UK and examines how it is influenced by the religious establishment of Saudi Arabia. Dispatches has investigated a number of mosques run by high profile national organisations that claim to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. But an undercover reporter joined worshippers to find a message of religious bigotry and extremism being preached. He captures chilling sermons in which Saudi-trained preachers proclaim the supremacy of Islam, preach hatred for non-Muslims and for Muslims who do not follow their extreme beliefs – and predict a coming jihad. “An army of Muslims will arise,” announces one preacher. Another preacher said British Muslims must “dismantle” British democracy – they must “live like a state within a state” until they are “strong enough to take over.” The investigation reveals Saudi Arabian universities are recruiting young Western Muslims to train them in their extreme theology, then sending them back to the West to spread the word. And the Dispatches reporter discovers that British Muslims can ask for fatwas, religious rulings, direct from the top religious leader in Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti. - A year and a half later, undercover mosque returned- PART 2 http://vimeo.com/85362804.

article above, at -------->





Undercover Mosque Dispatches Channel 4 BANNED on YouTube Link Below on VIMEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHhbYxlYvLM



Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return


Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

Yadda wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 8:10am: .......What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence. gandalf's argument is, that it is wrong, for us, to group all moslems [in Australia] as being supporters of ISLAM, as being supporters of ISLAM's laws and religious tenets. Laws and religious tenets, which support and encourage moslem religious violence [against those who reject ISLAM], whenever Allah provides an 'opportunity' for that religious violence.

Yadda said....

Quote:

All moslems are guilty,   .....of being moslems, of choosing to embrace a philosophy which condones and culturally legitimises violence against non-moslems. To those who are outside of its 'camp' [and who are still strong enough to resist its intent], moslems will pretend that ISLAM is a virtuous and benign religion. But within its own 'camp' moslems can be seen [see, ++9999++] to boldly declare their criminal intent [by our laws] towards those who reject ISLAM. ISLAM is a death cult, and ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].....

Yadda wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

http://www.danielpipes.org/pics/new/large/3128.jpg According to non-Muslim politicians these Taliban members have nothing to do with Islam Quote: Why Politicians Pretend Islam Has No Role in Violence by Daniel Pipes March 9, 2015 Prominent non-Muslim political figures have embarrassed themselves by denying the self-evident connection of Islam to the Islamic State (ISIS) and to Islamist violence in Paris and Copenhagen, even claiming these are contrary to Islam. What do they hope to achieve through these falsehoods and what is their significance? ....David Cameron, the Conservative British prime minister,......He calls Islam "a religion of peace".... http://www.danielpipes.org/15618/islam-violence

IMAGE.....
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David Cameron - the Conservative British prime minister



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A FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL NON-MOSLEM!

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

......There was a line up of scholars and researchers. They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters. I said out loud, in the car, 'They are all Muslims'. But they didn't hear me and none of thje dared to name the common thread. It is now simply unsayable that Islam is the common thread that links all the jihadis, the suicide bombers from Melbourne, the head hackers from Sydney and London.

Soren, even though you are a psycho-therapist,       .....as per usual, you are exhibiting an amazing degree of sanity and reason and logic, in your post, imo.

;)



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This YTube makes light of, and exposes the farce of, those 'talking heads' [i.e. politicians and security experts] within Western nations, who refuse to directly identify and associate ISLAM/moslems, with the religious violence being committed by moslems, everyday.


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Watch this farce,      ....this representation, of political 'reality' which is being exhibited in the world, EVERYDAY!

Refusing to Name the Enemy in the War on Terror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A




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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/




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'Talking heads' [i.e. politicians and security experts] within Western nations, insistently refuse to directly identify and associate mainstream ISLAM, with the religious violence being committed by moslems, everyday, around the world.


Even in the face of evidences such as this,      ....evidences which have an ISLAMIC source !


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Yadda said....

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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 7:30pm: They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters. Frankly I don't believe they said the highlighted part. I think you just made that up as a segue for your rant. But their point about the inability to profile is correct and 100% relevant. What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence. Your little contribution here is not only stupid, it is completely unhelpful for the issue the program was talking about. The experts you so deride are actually interested in proper solutions to this problem - whereas you are interested in being a d**k

Here's the program: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/panel-radicalised-youth/6313044

It's all about 'young people' in 'certain situations', 'radicalised ideologies', etc. A Social problem, you see, not a Muslim problem.
The M word isn't uttered.
Profiling? 4.15" we have to stop viewing radicalisation through a racial or religious lens."
"Conflict theory, theory of socialisation"
5.53 'ANyone can be a suicide bomber, Muslim upper class, Anglo working class'
What is not said, of course, that they are all Muslims. The Anglo kid converts to Islam, then he becomes a suicide bomber. That is not said.

The whole thing is farcical. Listen to it.




But - 100 % of Muslim violence is carried out by Muslims.  If you want to effectively target the perpetrators of such violence, you must focus on Muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 7:30pm: They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters. Frankly I don't believe they said the highlighted part. I think you just made that up as a segue for your rant. But their point about the inability to profile is correct and 100% relevant. What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence. Your little contribution here is not only stupid, it is completely unhelpful for the issue the program was talking about. The experts you so deride are actually interested in proper solutions to this problem - whereas you are interested in being a d**k

You’ve finally discovered the old boy’s purpose in life.

At present, he’s a bottom. But he aspires to being a dick.

You gotta have a dream, no?

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It's not just muslims.  They lie and conceal re: Africans, too

Whathername -- ex Victorian police commissioner -- Nixon, finally admitted what everyone knew in any case re: her strict instructions re: African crime and violence

For years, Vic police were instructed to conceal the extent of African crime and violence.  They managed with Nixon's help, to fake crime statistics which would allow Nixon to go on tv and elsewhere, insisting African crime was far less than crimes committed by the rest of the population

Then it emerged African crime was 9 times the rate of everyone else

Judges were in on it too, sentencing African killers and rapists to slaps on the wrist and citing 'violent childhood' as justification for Africans' violent, criminal tendencies

BUT -- they got the Africans in here and they threatened the host population with 'racism' if they objected

same with muslims

There used to be a site and it may still be online, run by an ex police sergeant in Sydney.  He worked in the Middle Eastern Crime Gang division and said a well-known legal identity (named) had been instrumental, at the behest of government, in ensuring neither police nor media were allowed to publicly reveal middle-eastern criminals and their crimes.  In other words, the host population was being deliberately prevented from realising the extent of middle-eastern crimes and criminals/gangs.  That's your government working for its pay ... 


More to the point, who decided Africans and middle-easterners were appropriate groups from which to choose migrants, and why?

First, create asylum-seekers and refugees by ravaging the mid-east under a variety of pretexts, thus creating floods of African and middle-eastern migrants to be inflicted on predominantly white, non-muslim populations --- and make untold profits from that war at the same time

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 8:10am: Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 7:30pm: They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters. Frankly I don't believe they said the highlighted part. I think you just made that up as a segue for your rant. But their point about the inability to profile is correct and 100% relevant.... Here's the program: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/panel-radicalised-youth/6313044 It's all about 'young people' in 'certain situations', 'radicalised ideologies', etc. A Social problem, you see, not a Muslim problem. The M word isn't uttered...... The whole thing is farcical. Listen to it.

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/03/bst_20150313.mp3

the session about about Jake Bilardi              starts @ 77 min 35 sec
the session about how 'young Australians' are being radicalised         starts @ 94 min 38 sec

                 this following segment starts @ 98 min 48 sec            ------- >

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"[woman commentator, Solicitor, Lydia Shelly, speaks] We have to stop viewing the radicalisation through a religious or racial 'lens'. This is a really big concern of mine...... [another commentator speaks for a time, then she continues....] That's exactly right, and i don't think religious or racial profiling is the way to go..... This problem is not going to go away. It is going to escalate. So if we are serious about tackling issues of radicalisation we have to empower people, we have to empower communities. And we also have to stop the 'dog whistle' politics."

                 this following segment starts @ 103 min 05 sec            ------- >

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"[male comentator, Sociolisgist, Jaan Ali, speaks] ....the phenomenon of radicalisation is enormously heterogeneous. And, the people that constitutes this phenonenom, the members, are also very diverse. So there is no panacea, if you like, in terms of 'a solution'. To say, 'OK. We need to actually target young people from Middle Eastern background,....and we will stop radicalisation.', it doesn't work like that at all. We need to understand the fact, first and foremost, is that this phenomenon [of radicalisation] is enormously, sociologically, heterogeneous."

The arguments from the moslem 'camp' [excusing moslem religious violence] are always the same;

1/ The moslem community, can never be viewed as anything except as an 'innocent' party.
2/ The moslem community are simply the local representatives of ISLAM, which is a virtuous and tolerant philosophy.
3/ The moslems simply want the right to be able to widely promote 'virtuous' ISLAMIC principles, within society.
4/ Those who would resist such moslem virtues [and who would resist the right of moslems to freely practice their religion], it is they who are the wrongdoers!
5/ And those who resist the right of moslems to freely practice their religion, are the ones who are responsible, if they have provoked moslem 'counter-violence'.

In their grievance arguments the moslems always argue that 'individuals' within the moslem community have been 'righteously' provoked to violence, by their 'persecutors'.


All of those grievance factors are present [and exacerbated!] in Koran verses like;

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76




PROPOSITION;
ISLAM itself, directly causes 'radicalisation' [in individuals], in that it can be demonstrated that ISLAM [within the body of its religious texts] inculcates and causes a grievance mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence all in individuals who become enthralled by its [ISLAM's] arguments.

But note well;
During the Radio National discussion, there is never an exploration of the possibility, that it could be the influence of ISLAM, which may be a factor in causing 'radicalisation' [in individuals].
i.e. by ISLAM instilling a greivence mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence [in individuals].


THE PROPOSITION WHICH MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC DOCTRINE 'BROADCASTS';
Moslems are innocent.
Those who reject ISLAM are guilty persons, are evil persons, and, they deserve to be put to death.
Whenever fighting on behalf of ISLAM's/Allah's cause, moslems are engaged in virtuous acts [of violence].

Yadda wrote on Mar 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

All of those grievance factors are present [and exacerbated!] in Koran verses like; "Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." Koran 3.110 "Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan." Koran 4.74-76 PROPOSITION; ISLAM itself, directly causes 'radicalisation' [in individuals], in that it can be demonstrated that ISLAM [within the body of its religious texts] inculcates and causes a grievance mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence all in individuals who become enthralled by its [ISLAM's] arguments. But note well; During the Radio National discussion, there is never an exploration of the possibility, that it could be the influence of ISLAM, which may be a factor in causing 'radicalisation' [in individuals]. i.e. by ISLAM instilling a greivence mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence [in individuals]. THE PROPOSITION WHICH MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC DOCTRINE 'BROADCASTS'; Moslems are innocent. Those who reject ISLAM are guilty persons, are evil persons, and, they deserve to be put to death. Whenever fighting on behalf of ISLAM's/Allah's cause, moslems are engaged in virtuous acts [of violence].

IN EVERY INSTANCE, WHEN MOSLEMS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH OTHERS [i.e. in conflict with the 'oppressors'] --------- >

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'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO'


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"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them. .....Aggression is something only infidels do. .....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace..... ......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."

"ISLAM SEEKS PEACE - Oh really!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258072652/1#1

“My life in Melbourne’s working-class suburbs was, despite having its ups and downs just like everyone else, very comfortable,” he wrote in an online diary. “I found myself excelling in my studies, just as my siblings had, and had dreamt of becoming a political journalist.”

There’s a warning sign. In another post, he captioned an image of Christmas shoppers as “the talking pigs of Melbourne, Australia, in their sty” and described Australia as “a land full of such filth and corruption that no one in their right mind could live there without a craving to let some heads roll”.

Previous generations of sullen, everything-sucks teens simply became Goths or Greens. Radical Islam provides a more extreme option. Not that Islam has anything to do with it, as we are eternally reminded.

Last week the Fairfax press interviewed a couple of people associated with Bilardi’s Hume Islamic Youth Centre hangout, who couldn’t see any connection between the kid’s faith and his decision to join Islamic State.

“I’ve actually never seen him utter a word at the table when I was serving the food, cleaning up the table, nothing. He was the last person I would expect to actually go there,” said former youth centre worker Furkan Derya.

I furkan derya to find a better name than Furkan Derya. A current youth centre staffer, Abu Zaid, claimed that western media was responsible for Islamic State recruits.

“They take the western media and they blame them a lot and it makes them turn away from Australia and Australian culture. That’s one of the biggest reasons why people go over there,” he said. Zaid further claimed that the media’s depiction of extremist Islam “sparks the curiosity and that spark is all it takes to develop someone’s idea about something”.

That might be the most empty definition yet of Islamic terrorism: “Someone’s idea about something.” It’s almost good enough to appear in ABC news reports. Zaid, who doesn’t think joining Islamic State is any big deal — “Isn’t all Australian culture about freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom of all this?” — reckons a few laptops are all we need to calm the sort of kids who might be drawn to jihad: “He is a person, he sticks to himself, stays in his room. Believe me, if you just give him a laptop in the room, he’ll stay there all day.”

Right up until they don’t.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/jihadi-bilardi-spreading-the-hate-in-his-own-way/story-fni0cwl5-1227263731909

Contemptible b Vggers will forever furken derya.

Yadda wrote on Mar 16^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

PROPOSITION; ISLAM itself, directly causes 'radicalisation' [in individuals], in that it can be demonstrated that ISLAM [within the body of its religious texts] inculcates and causes a grievance mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence all in individuals who become enthralled by its [ISLAM's] arguments. But note well; During the Radio National discussion, there is never an exploration of the possibility, that it could be the influence of ISLAM, which may be a factor in causing 'radicalisation' [in individuals]. i.e. by ISLAM instilling a greivence mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence [in individuals]. THE PROPOSITION WHICH MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC DOCTRINE 'BROADCASTS'; Moslems are innocent. Those who reject ISLAM are guilty persons, are evil persons, and, they deserve to be put to death. Whenever fighting on behalf of ISLAM's/Allah's cause, moslems are engaged in virtuous acts [of violence].

Victimhood means that no Muslim is a master of his destiny unless he does good. He does good because he is Muslim.
But when he does bad that's because he is a victim.

This is why hanging onto the victim status is so essential. Grown, hairy, rough men who go off to fight, behead, rape and pillage suddenly become victims the moment they are nabbed and put on trial.

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 8:10am: Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 7:30pm: They all said that there is no way to profile, or otherwise identify anything in common shared by these youngsters. Frankly I don't believe they said the highlighted part. I think you just made that up as a segue for your rant. But their point about the inability to profile is correct and 100% relevant. What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence. Your little contribution here is not only stupid, it is completely unhelpful for the issue the program was talking about. The experts you so deride are actually interested in proper solutions to this problem - whereas you are interested in being a d**k Here's the program: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/panel-radicalised-youth/6313044 It's all about 'young people' in 'certain situations', 'radicalised ideologies', etc. A Social problem, you see, not a Muslim problem. The M word isn't uttered. Profiling? 4.15" we have to stop viewing radicalisation through a racial or religious lens." "Conflict theory, theory of socialisation" 5.53 'ANyone can be a suicide bomber, Muslim upper class, Anglo working class' What is not said, of course, that they are all Muslims. The Anglo kid converts to Islam, then he becomes a suicide bomber. That is not said. The whole thing is farcical. Listen to it. But - 100 % of Muslim violence is carried out by Muslims.  If you want to effectively target the perpetrators of such violence, you must focus on Muslims.

Whats farcical is your idea that the said authorities are not interested in finding constructive ways to stop terrorism - and that your tirade actually contributes anything useful to the discussion. Your contribution here is to be Yadda-lite.

Gandalf: "Whats farcical is your idea that the said authorities are not interested in finding constructive ways to stop terrorism - and that your tirade actually contributes anything useful to the discussion. Your contribution here is to be Yadda-lite."

You have a vested interest in seeing Islam infiltrate the West. Therefore your opinion is void.

Cameron is no different to other Western Leaders on the Muslim Problem. His stand is essentially the same as Chamberlain's after his Munich meeting with Hitler. Appeasement, and peace in our time. We all know how that turned out.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 6:52am:

Soren wrote on Mar 14th, 2015 at 1:55pm: But - 100 % of Muslim violence is carried out by Muslims.  If you want to effectively target the perpetrators of such violence, you must focus on Muslims. Whats farcical is your idea that the said authorities are not interested in finding constructive ways to stop terrorism - and that your tirade actually contributes anything useful to the discussion. Your contribution here is to be Yadda-lite.

gandalf,

To the moslem mind, anyone who focusses upon ISLAM as the primary cause [and primary source of inspiration for] ISLAMIC violence, must be in error.

That would be a topic for a great thesis !



'Anyone who is critical of ISLAM, is in error.'


Aren't there any academics out there, who are willing to try to get a sub from some Middle East oil sheikdom, to publish such a ground breaking thesis!               :o




Google;
islam is "allah's perfect religion"


Yadda-full

:)