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Message started by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am

Title: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am
Greens NSW promise a $20 billion infrastructure program without public asset sale


Greens NSW launched its election campaign on Sunday, pitching a fully funded $20 billion infrastructure program without the privatisation of the state's electricity assets.

In a swipe at both the Liberals, whose $20 billion infrastructure pledge is contingent on privatisation, and the ALP, which the Greens says offers "very little infrastructure", Greens MP John Kaye declared the party could raise billions for local works and job creation.

At the University of Technology, Sydney, Mr Kaye announced a fully funded $2.75 billion local infrastructure program over four years to create up to 15,000 jobs and training opportunities, many targeting long-term and young job seekers.

"This is about lifting areas like the Far West, the Hunter and the Mid North Coast out of the consequences of decades of failed trickle-down economic policies," he said.

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The $2.75 billion will be spent through local councils and Aboriginal organisations to build and refurbish community infrastructure, including storm-water works, rural bridge and road repair, childcare centres and preschools, sewage systems and bike paths.

Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transactions.

"The Greens are prepared to take on property developers, large corporations and the super-profitable registered clubs to provide the money needed to create a new future for neglected communities, young people and the long term unemployed," he said.

On Saturday, the Greens announced a plan to provide legal certainty for families and medical professionals around end-of-life treatment.

"The Greens will be moving legislation after the election to catch up with the other states and territories and ensure that advanced care directives are protected by the law," Dr Kaye said.

"No treating clinician should have to interpret the common law to know if they are protected from prosecution when they follow the wishes of a patient and withhold treatment."

Premier Mike Baird, if re-elected, said he would raise $20 billion from the lease of the state's electricity distribution and transmission network to fund an infrastructure program.

Opposition leader Luke Foley has promised to spend $10 billion on infrastructure - money raised by from deferring for 10 years a decision by Mr Baird in last year's state budget to abolish a range of business taxes and from "uncommitted" money already in the government's infrastructure fund, Restart NSW.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-state-election-2015/greens-nsw-promise-a-20-billion-infrastructure-program-without-public-asset-sale-20150315-144ck6.html

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by two minutes hate on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:45am
Your ordinary aussie has a soft spot for environmental issues. We all love the Australian environment and spend our lives immersed in it. If that was all your party was about you'd be getting mine and many others vote. But you aren't. Ditch the loonies and you'll start busting the 10% vote mark. Just a piece of advise. Cheers.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Swagman on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(


Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by two minutes hate on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Swagman on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.


Close all the businesses down then and see how prosperous the place is?  ::)

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?


Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:06pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.


Close all the businesses down then and see how prosperous the place is?  ::)



Like the carbon levy wiped Whyalla off the map?

We all know about conservatives $100 lamb roast slash cities disappearing sort of claims.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by two minutes hate on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by two minutes hate on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,


Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by two minutes hate on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Swagman on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:20pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.


Close all the businesses down then and see how prosperous the place is?  ::)



Like the carbon levy wiped Whyalla off the map?

We all know about conservatives $100 lamb roast slash cities disappearing sort of claims.


The purpose of the carbon tax was to reduce CO2 emissions wasn't it?

The Greens tax on business will reduce business.

Reduce business and you drive up unemployment and instead of increased tax revenues you actually get less and with greater welfare expenses.

Economic vandalism as I said.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.


Close all the businesses down then and see how prosperous the place is?  ::)



Like the carbon levy wiped Whyalla off the map?

We all know about conservatives $100 lamb roast slash cities disappearing sort of claims.


The purpose of the carbon tax was to reduce CO2 emissions wasn't it?

The Greens tax on business will reduce business.

Reduce business and you drive up unemployment and instead of increased tax revenues you actually get less and with greater welfare expenses.

Economic vandalism as I said.


Except you missed the part where there was 4.5 billion worth of new clean energy projects in the pipeline, under Labor.

Instead we added another 3 billion to the debt paying big polluters to pollute ::)

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.


Close all the businesses down then and see how prosperous the place is?  ::)



Like the carbon levy wiped Whyalla off the map?

We all know about conservatives $100 lamb roast slash cities disappearing sort of claims.


The purpose of the carbon tax was to reduce CO2 emissions wasn't it?

The Greens tax on business will reduce business.

Reduce business and you drive up unemployment and instead of increased tax revenues you actually get less and with greater welfare expenses.

Economic vandalism as I said.


How does a tax on business reduce that business?
It's another input cost, as is electricity ... even if it rises if the voter vote for higher costs under the conservatives, business will handle it.

Stop making up wild claims without any facts.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by two minutes hate on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.
Tackling a major issue when you are a very minor party made you look a bit silly .

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Swagman on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
How does a tax on business reduce that business


So how tax a tax on carbon reduce carbon?

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:31pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
How does a tax on business reduce that business


So how tax a tax on carbon reduce carbon?



and yet it did  :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:35pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
How does a tax on business reduce that business


So how tax a tax on carbon reduce carbon?



By changing habits. Taxes are a revenue raiser and also a market mechanism to shift behaviour.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:40pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.
Tackling a major issue when you are a very minor party made you look a bit silly .



By the reaction of the arab haters, the opposite seems true. The arab haters had to campaign hard to stop people realising the injustice Australians are complicit with via the old parties siding with Israel in UN votes over Palestine being recognised as a State.


Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Swagman on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:49pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
How does a tax on business reduce that business


So how tax a tax on carbon reduce carbon?



By changing habits. Taxes are a revenue raiser and also a market mechanism to shift behaviour.


So in other words if you tax something your aim is to increase its price and therefore decrease it's demand so you get less of it?

So tax business you make it more expensive to do business so you get less of it.

Savvy?

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by imcrookonit on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:51pm
Still waiting for the $550 a year better off.      :(

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Swagman on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:53pm

wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:51pm:
Still waiting for the $550 a year better off.      :(


Your dole payment makes you $550 better off every fortnight Crooky

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:54pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
[quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1426383723/17#17 date=1426386430]How does a tax on business reduce that business


So how tax a tax on carbon reduce carbon?


So in other words if you tax something your aim is to increase its price and therefore decrease it's demand so you get less of it?


no, the aim of the tax was to decrease demand on SOME businesses, thereby switching demand to alternative means ... a tax that covers all businesses doesn't change anyones behaviour (unless the tax is extreme)

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by imcrookonit on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:55pm
Am I unemployed ???.      :o

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 1:38pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
How does a tax on business reduce that business


So how tax a tax on carbon reduce carbon?



By changing habits. Taxes are a revenue raiser and also a market mechanism to shift behaviour.


So in other words if you tax something your aim is to increase its price and therefore decrease it's demand so you get less of it?

So tax business you make it more expensive to do business so you get less of it.

Savvy?




Taxing profit doesn't increase the item(s), it decreased the amount the owner(s) receives.

It's the cost they pay in being part of the society and profiting from the wider's societies assets.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 2:31pm
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Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 2:32pm
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Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 2:32pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.
That's silly' How easily manipulated are you TwoMinutes. Despite the propaganda to mislead us the real reason why the Greek economy collapsed like it did was because the business/commercial sector was either totally tax exempt (most of the business oligarchs were in this category) or progressively avoiding paying more and more tax over the years.  The majority on the other had were no different to the majority in this country where the tax man takes its cut of tax even BEFORE the worker gets to see his/her pay statement.  If you really want to get rid of the so called budget emergency in this country fix the rules to make the business/commercial sector pay its fair share and crack down hard with huge fines on corporate tax cheats.   

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 2:46pm
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Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 2:47pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(



Business paying their fair way is the Greens way. Where as the conservatives way is for the community via substandard services, should inflate the profits of multinationals.


Close all the businesses down then and see how prosperous the place is?  ::)



Like the carbon levy wiped Whyalla off the map?

We all know about conservatives $100 lamb roast slash cities disappearing sort of claims.


The purpose of the carbon tax was to reduce CO2 emissions wasn't it?

The Greens tax on business will reduce business.

Reduce business and you drive up unemployment and instead of increased tax revenues you actually get less and with greater welfare expenses.

Economic vandalism as I said.

Any businesses that can't conduct their enterprises without factoring in the cost of tax do not belong in business. The taxpayer cant continue carrying these lame duck businesses wo can't hold their heads up above water without endless handouts and lower tax scales to the tax everyone else is paying. It will be hard at the start but once we weed out these people our economy will be set on a much sounder and resilient footing.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Bam on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Bam on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:12pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Mr Kaye added the Greens could raise $20 billion by obtaining a loan that would be serviced and repaid by extra revenue from reinstating the vendors duty on property speculators, higher poker machine taxes, and maintaining duties on large business transaction


$20 billion dollar defacto tax increase to drive business investment out of the State?

Economic vandalism to the nenth degree....  :(

Driving poker machines out of NSW wouldn't be a great loss.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Grendel on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:54pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.


Yes, Israel should become a lipstick state like all the others... :D :D

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Redneck on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:00pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:
Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Not a greens fan but

What is wrong with that!

Israel = the new NAZIs of 2015

Mongrels!!   >:(


Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:17pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.


Yes, Israel should become a lipstick state like all the others... :D :D



Make light of the spelling all you like.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/201369/what-about-israels-nuclear-bomb

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by innocentbystander. on Mar 15th, 2015 at 6:51pm
We need to give credit to the greens where credit is due, they have a target audience that gives them 10% of the total vote, they don't go head to head with the major parties, that would be a mistake, instead they seek out the one in ten voters that have issues that the other parties don't cater for, issues like drug dependency, killing unborn children, sharia law, welfare rorting, jew hate, supporting ISIS, stealing from the productive, promoting anal sex and pedophilia, making sure abbos stay in poverty and bulldust, helping bikies to import illegal weapons, supporting the russian mafia ... the list just go's on and on.

The greens court societies weirdos and it has been a successful business plan.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:19pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.


Yes, Israel should become a lipstick state like all the others... :D :D



Make light of the spelling all you like.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/201369/what-about-israels-nuclear-bomb


What about them?? Even if they 'do' exist (which is still unknown) it only proves that Israel obviously isn't the 'lunatic. war-mongering nutters' you think.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by The Grappler on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:35pm



Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:35pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
We need to give credit to the greens where credit is due, they have a target audience that gives them 10% of the total vote, they don't go head to head with the major parties, that would be a mistake, instead they seek out the one in ten voters that have issues that the other parties don't cater for, issues like drug dependency, killing unborn children, sharia law, welfare rorting, jew hate, supporting ISIS, stealing from the productive, promoting anal sex and pedophilia, making sure abbos stay in poverty and bulldust, helping bikies to import illegal weapons, supporting the russian mafia ... the list just go's on and on.

The greens court societies weirdos and it has been a successful business plan.



Your claims in this post
- avoid going head to head with the old parties.
- killing babies
- pro sharia law
- welfare routing
- jew hating
- supporting ISIS
- stealing
- promoting anal
- promoting paedophillia
- aboriginals in poverty
- importing illegal weapons
- assisting russian mafia

Like to back up your claims with facts ... or are you desperate to throw your own shite because you have nothing of substance?

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by The Grappler on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:39pm

Page kick weith a difference....


The above is brought to you by Nothing Sexist - a Grappler Industries Inc initiative for the 22nd Century...



Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:39pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.


Yes, Israel should become a lipstick state like all the others... :D :D



Make light of the spelling all you like.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/201369/what-about-israels-nuclear-bomb


What about them?? Even if they 'do' exist (which is still unknown) it only proves that Israel obviously isn't the 'lunatic. war-mongering nutters' you think.



The nukes do exist and to pretend not reveals the arrogance to believe they can be outside the same rules.



Israeli officials admitted that Gaza is “a huge concentration camp” and that “the occupation will continue” after disengagement

https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/gaza-concentration-camp/

The Israeli right are nutters.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by innocentbystander. on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:45pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
We need to give credit to the greens where credit is due, they have a target audience that gives them 10% of the total vote, they don't go head to head with the major parties, that would be a mistake, instead they seek out the one in ten voters that have issues that the other parties don't cater for, issues like drug dependency, killing unborn children, sharia law, welfare rorting, jew hate, supporting ISIS, stealing from the productive, promoting anal sex and pedophilia, making sure abbos stay in poverty and bulldust, helping bikies to import illegal weapons, supporting the russian mafia ... the list just go's on and on.

The greens court societies weirdos and it has been a successful business plan.



Your claims in this post
- avoid going head to head with the old parties.
- killing babies
- pro sharia law
- welfare routing
- jew hating
- supporting ISIS
- stealing
- promoting anal
- promoting paedophillia
- aboriginals in poverty
- importing illegal weapons
- assisting russian mafia

Like to back up your claims with facts ... or are you desperate to throw your own shite because you have nothing of substance?




I forgot to add that the greens will always deny their own policy when confronted, not sure why they do this but it does give hope that maybe its because they are actually embarrassed by it.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:07pm
Surprise, Surprise, innocentbystander runs for the hills.

Well, not that much of a surprise.

More predictable than anything.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by innocentbystander. on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:17pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
Surprise, Surprise, innocentbystander runs for the hills.

Well, not that much of a surprise.

More predictable than anything.


Aren't you running for the hills by not defending green policy?, piss weak, you spend equal amounts of time promoting idiotic policy and denying idiotic policy, I've never known such confusion.  :D

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:22pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:51am:
So we have a section complaining that Greens are a one issue party ... and another section complaining it's a multi issue party.


Seems the only logical path for the Greens is government. And that requires a multi issue party.
instead of targeting the minority target the majority more. That's how it works.



Services and infrastructure isn't an interest to the majority?
Boycotting Israel isn't.



And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,



It's now 2015 ...
That policy was dropped in 2011.

By dragging that up shows you have little to complain about.
Dragging this up has demonstrated how insane the Greens have been in the past.



By opposing war crimes committed by Israel. Shame on them.

Israel is a rouge state and is hiding behind the US.

It's not Greens party position, yet it is mine.
I support non violence protest against Israel's apartheid.
Same as I opposes South Africa's apartheid.


Yes, Israel should become a lipstick state like all the others... :D :D



Make light of the spelling all you like.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/201369/what-about-israels-nuclear-bomb


What about them?? Even if they 'do' exist (which is still unknown) it only proves that Israel obviously isn't the 'lunatic. war-mongering nutters' you think.



The nukes do exist and to pretend not reveals the arrogance to believe they can be outside the same rules.



Israeli officials admitted that Gaza is “a huge concentration camp” and that “the occupation will continue” after disengagement

https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/gaza-concentration-camp/

The Israeli right are nutters.


Then why doesn't Syria, or Lebanon, or Iran, or Jordan glow in the dark??
If the Israelis really were the nutters you seem to think, then any or all of those countries would have been nuked by now.

As for Gaza, Israel has enough ordinance and technology to turn it into a parking area in an afternoon, without a single infantry soldier stepping over the border.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Grendel on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:23pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D



The accusation was "always" and we all know that was overreach. and that you claimed that Lee is anti semitic ... and that is the name calling used of anyone who questions Israel over it's war crimes.

Because anti semitic name calling is the pretending Israel is a victim and not the aggressor.

We all know Israel is the bully, the modern day storm troopers.

Lets hope in a couple of days, the extreme right will lose government and the moderates gain control.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:29pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..



As we see from the current situation here in Australia, a loony hard right government embarrasses the majority of Australians. Mean while Australia acts like a rogue nation on issues ... like AGW.


As for Israel, since Israelis look likely to kick bibi out of office in a couple of days ... and so rectify their mistake ... lets wait and see the result.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by The Grappler on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:39pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



Actually there are very strong factions in the Knesset who are opposed to the policy towards Palestine... always have been.

It's a bit hard to remember that your aim was to reduce tension when you are combating rockets and threats on a daily basis... and every idiot Arab with no real interest in Palestine and its people carries on as if you are the mortal enemy and they want to drink the blood of your children and grand-children e'en unto the seventh generation....

The funny this is that the same Arabs who carry on so much would most likely massacre the Palestinians if given the chance to run the show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

Look at IS right now and its massacres of 'infidel' Muslims who don't toe their line or whatever.

Here is a quote:-

"...a country whose only vegetation is a few stunted shrubs, and in which wherever a small pocket of workable land occurs in a valley there is to be found a community of wild, lawless men who pasture just enough sheep and goats and till just enough soil to maintain a feud with two or three neighbours."


- The Desert Anzacs, p.199, Barry Stone, Hardie Grant Books Melbourne . London

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by The Grappler on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:41pm


Non-sexist page kicker with talent:-


Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 16th, 2015 at 6:55am

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
We need to give credit to the greens where credit is due, they have a target audience that gives them 10% of the total vote, they don't go head to head with the major parties, that would be a mistake, instead they seek out the one in ten voters that have issues that the other parties don't cater for, issues like drug dependency, killing unborn children, sharia law, welfare rorting, jew hate, supporting ISIS, stealing from the productive, promoting anal sex and pedophilia, making sure abbos stay in poverty and bulldust, helping bikies to import illegal weapons, supporting the russian mafia ... the list just go's on and on.

The greens court societies weirdos and it has been a successful business plan.


Haha. True.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2015 at 8:09am

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D



The accusation was "always" and we all know that was overreach. and that you claimed that Lee is anti semitic ... and that is the name calling used of anyone who questions Israel over it's war crimes.

Because anti semitic name calling is the pretending Israel is a victim and not the aggressor.

We all know Israel is the bully, the modern day storm troopers.

Lets hope in a couple of days, the extreme right will lose government and the moderates gain control.

Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.
You people in the greens are the biggest name-callers on the planet.
Just read any of Ludlum's moronic rants.
Anti-Semitic is the correct term to use for Rhiannon.
She's a Conspiranut on the subject.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 16th, 2015 at 2:27pm

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..



As we see from the current situation here in Australia, a loony hard right government embarrasses the majority of Australians. Mean while Australia acts like a rogue nation on issues ... like AGW.


As for Israel, since Israelis look likely to kick bibi out of office in a couple of days ... and so rectify their mistake ... lets wait and see the result.


So any belief YOU (or the Greens) don't 'agree' with makes a nation 'rogue'????

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Bam on Mar 16th, 2015 at 2:46pm
O Hidden page, reveal your secrets ... and ... flip.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:23pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 8:09am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D



The accusation was "always" and we all know that was overreach. and that you claimed that Lee is anti semitic ... and that is the name calling used of anyone who questions Israel over it's war crimes.

Because anti semitic name calling is the pretending Israel is a victim and not the aggressor.

We all know Israel is the bully, the modern day storm troopers.

Lets hope in a couple of days, the extreme right will lose government and the moderates gain control.

Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.
You people in the greens are the biggest name-callers on the planet.
Just read any of Ludlum's moronic rants.
Anti-Semitic is the correct term to use for Rhiannon.
She's a Conspiranut on the subject.



Nothing to back up your name calling means it's nothing more than name calling.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..



As we see from the current situation here in Australia, a loony hard right government embarrasses the majority of Australians. Mean while Australia acts like a rogue nation on issues ... like AGW.


As for Israel, since Israelis look likely to kick bibi out of office in a couple of days ... and so rectify their mistake ... lets wait and see the result.


So any belief YOU (or the Greens) don't 'agree' with makes a nation 'rogue'????



'makes' verse what was written : 'acts like'

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:41pm

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 8:09am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D



The accusation was "always" and we all know that was overreach. and that you claimed that Lee is anti semitic ... and that is the name calling used of anyone who questions Israel over it's war crimes.

Because anti semitic name calling is the pretending Israel is a victim and not the aggressor.

We all know Israel is the bully, the modern day storm troopers.

Lets hope in a couple of days, the extreme right will lose government and the moderates gain control.

Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.
You people in the greens are the biggest name-callers on the planet.
Just read any of Ludlum's moronic rants.
Anti-Semitic is the correct term to use for Rhiannon.
She's a Conspiranut on the subject.



Nothing to back up your name calling means it's nothing more than name calling.

I told you where to look since you appear ignorant on the subject...  you haven't looked have you? ::)

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:46pm

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..



As we see from the current situation here in Australia, a loony hard right government embarrasses the majority of Australians. Mean while Australia acts like a rogue nation on issues ... like AGW.


As for Israel, since Israelis look likely to kick bibi out of office in a couple of days ... and so rectify their mistake ... lets wait and see the result.


So any belief YOU (or the Greens) don't 'agree' with makes a nation 'rogue'????



'makes' verse what was written : 'acts like'


Doesn't change what I said...Australia's opinion on 'Alleged' Global Warming is based on what YOU and the loony left wing Greens 'consider' to be " true"....which is NOT even close to what is actually 'true'..


AND, since most of the population of the world have actually 'woken up' to the BS the Greens (and assorted other alarmists) are crapping on about....that would mean that YOU, and people like YOU are in fact the "rogue" population...

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:52pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 8:09am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D



The accusation was "always" and we all know that was overreach. and that you claimed that Lee is anti semitic ... and that is the name calling used of anyone who questions Israel over it's war crimes.

Because anti semitic name calling is the pretending Israel is a victim and not the aggressor.

We all know Israel is the bully, the modern day storm troopers.

Lets hope in a couple of days, the extreme right will lose government and the moderates gain control.

Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.
You people in the greens are the biggest name-callers on the planet.
Just read any of Ludlum's moronic rants.
Anti-Semitic is the correct term to use for Rhiannon.
She's a Conspiranut on the subject.



Nothing to back up your name calling means it's nothing more than name calling.

I told you where to look since you appear ignorant on the subject...  you haven't looked have you? ::)



Looked, and your claim came up empty.

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..



As we see from the current situation here in Australia, a loony hard right government embarrasses the majority of Australians. Mean while Australia acts like a rogue nation on issues ... like AGW.


As for Israel, since Israelis look likely to kick bibi out of office in a couple of days ... and so rectify their mistake ... lets wait and see the result.


So any belief YOU (or the Greens) don't 'agree' with makes a nation 'rogue'????



'makes' verse what was written : 'acts like'


Doesn't change what I said...Australia's opinion on 'Alleged' Global Warming is based on what YOU and the loony left wing Greens 'consider' to be " true"....which is NOT even close to what is actually 'true'..


AND, since most of the population of the have actually 'woken up' to the BS the Greens (and assorted other alarmists) are crapping on about....that would mean that YOU, and people like YOU are in fact the "rogue" population...


FEDERAL Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has declared climate change is real after being attacked for telling a community forum that the science wasn't settled.

Mr Abbott said "whether carbon dioxide is quite the environmental villain that some people make it out to be is not yet proven".

He infamously declared in 2009 the science was "crap" but has since stated he accepts humans are contributing to global warming.

Yesterday, the Liberal leader stated that "climate change is real".

"Humanity is making a contribution," Mr Abbott told Adelaide radio.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/climate-change-is-real-says-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1226022104925

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2015 at 5:03pm

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 8:09am:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 12:09pm:
Boycotting Israel isn't.

And where is that a policy?

NSW Greens: Boycott apartheid Israel!
Wednesday, December 8, 2010

At its State Delegates Council meeting held on December 4 in Sydney, the NSW Greens unanimously endorsed the following proposal:

That the Greens NSW call upon all Australians and the Australian government to boycott Israeli goods, trading and military arrangements, and sporting, cultural and academic events as a contribution to the struggle to end Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestinian territory,

2010.  :D

Got something more recent?

Yes more recently The Greens have been targeting Chocolate Shops and their young employees.  Rhiannon is always on about Jews and Israel in her own anti-semitic way.



Then can you supply a current link

What?
Are you admitting you are ignorant about your Senator and her beliefs given her history on the subject?
:D :D :D :D :D



The accusation was "always" and we all know that was overreach. and that you claimed that Lee is anti semitic ... and that is the name calling used of anyone who questions Israel over it's war crimes.

Because anti semitic name calling is the pretending Israel is a victim and not the aggressor.

We all know Israel is the bully, the modern day storm troopers.

Lets hope in a couple of days, the extreme right will lose government and the moderates gain control.

Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.
You people in the greens are the biggest name-callers on the planet.
Just read any of Ludlum's moronic rants.
Anti-Semitic is the correct term to use for Rhiannon.
She's a Conspiranut on the subject.



Nothing to back up your name calling means it's nothing more than name calling.

I told you where to look since you appear ignorant on the subject...  you haven't looked have you? ::)



Looked, and your claim came up empty.

Really? ;D ;D ;D
Supply the link ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: NSW Greens Launch Campaign
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 16th, 2015 at 5:27pm

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Said Israeli Right are nutters, not Israelis in general.

Sure plenty of them cringe at playing the part of the Nazis this time around, rather than the victim.



So, that means the Israel isn't a rogue nation, since most of the population and government aren't 'nutters'..



As we see from the current situation here in Australia, a loony hard right government embarrasses the majority of Australians. Mean while Australia acts like a rogue nation on issues ... like AGW.


As for Israel, since Israelis look likely to kick bibi out of office in a couple of days ... and so rectify their mistake ... lets wait and see the result.


So any belief YOU (or the Greens) don't 'agree' with makes a nation 'rogue'????



'makes' verse what was written : 'acts like'


Doesn't change what I said...Australia's opinion on 'Alleged' Global Warming is based on what YOU and the loony left wing Greens 'consider' to be " true"....which is NOT even close to what is actually 'true'..


AND, since most of the population of the have actually 'woken up' to the BS the Greens (and assorted other alarmists) are crapping on about....that would mean that YOU, and people like YOU are in fact the "rogue" population...


FEDERAL Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has declared climate change is real after being attacked for telling a community forum that the science wasn't settled.

Mr Abbott said "whether carbon dioxide is quite the environmental villain that some people make it out to be is not yet proven".

He infamously declared in 2009 the science was "crap" but has since stated he accepts humans are contributing to global warming.

Yesterday, the Liberal leader stated that "climate change is real".

"Humanity is making a contribution," Mr Abbott told Adelaide radio.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/climate-change-is-real-says-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1226022104925


Yes, and??? No one (including Climate Sceptics., or 'deniers' as you nitwits seem to prefer to call us) has EVER denied that climate change (whether natural, or partially human caused) is 'real'...

It's really only the 'idiot' environazis that think that humans are the  'major' cause of it...80% of the world population do NOT think so..

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