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Message started by Julius Abbott on Mar 17th, 2015 at 9:05am

Title: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 17th, 2015 at 9:05am

Quote:
Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state if re-elected

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ruled out the establishment of a Palestinian state if he is re-elected, in comments on the eve of a snap general election.

Asked by Israeli news site NRG if no Palestinian state would arise should he remain prime minister, Mr Netanyahu said: "Indeed."

Mr Netanyahu also said that if he is re-elected he will build thousands of settler homes in Arab east Jerusalem to prevent future concessions to the Palestinians, and would never allow the Palestinians to establish a capital in the city's eastern sector.

"I won't let that happen. My friends and I in Likud [party] will preserve the unity of Jerusalem," he said of his ruling right-wing party, vowing to prevent any future division of the city.

"We will continue to build in Jerusalem, we will add thousands of housing units, and in the face of all the [international] pressure, we will persist and continue to develop our eternal capital."

The Palestinians want the eastern sector of Jerusalem as the capital of their future state.

But the Jewish state refers to both halves of the city as its "united, undivided capital" and does not see construction in the eastern sector as settlement building.

In an interview with Israel's public radio, Mr Netanyahu shot down any suggestion of creating a demilitarised Palestinian state in order to achieve peace, saying his 2009 Bar Ilan speech - in which he first endorsed the idea - was no longer relevant...


www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-17/netanyahu-says-no-palestinian-state-if-reelected-pm/6324160

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 17th, 2015 at 9:29am
Desperate times for Bibi.
Behind in the polls so out comes his I hate arabs card.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 17th, 2015 at 12:39pm
People like netanyahu will likely be the fall of Israel.

They assassinated Rabin, rejected Clinton's peace deal in 2000, rejected the Arab League peace deal offered in 2002.


Now alqaeda occupies towns  on the Israeli border, and IS is only a  hundred kilometres away. What happens when the US gives up in Syria and Iraq like they have done in all wars since WWII?

Will history marvel at the arrogance and greed of the Netanyahus of this world?

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by PZ547 on Mar 17th, 2015 at 12:41pm
Everyone's sick of the sound of 'israel'

It's like the kid in the supermarket that won't shut up, won't stop screaming for attention, won't do as it's told

Needed a damn hard slap-down a long time ago but no-one delivered it.  Like the brat in the supermarket, Israel grew up to become a problem for society


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Vuk11 on Mar 17th, 2015 at 12:50pm
Israel has acted ridiculously for far too long.
I don't blame the people though, but the politicians as always. It's good to see peace rallies in those countries, it just isn't shown often in the media from what I've seen. It doesn't look like Netanyahu gives a **** if the people want peace.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by PZ547 on Mar 17th, 2015 at 1:03pm
If the US, UK and all the others roped in to the nonsense stopped providing ammunition for Israel, it's politicians would swiftly learn to shut their gobs

Israel is the 'gay' in society.  Small in number but big on headlines

Israel has had nukes for decades.  We all know it.  Israel knows it.  Yet it's laid waste to the mid-east and still screams like an idiot about Iran being a nuke danger

Israel possesses 300 nukes that we know of.  Israel claims it will utilise the Samson Option and take the world down with it if it's crossed

How did this situation come to be?  'Israeli' fingers in every countries' affairs, that's how.  A creeping cancer and destructive menace

Time to call Israel's bluff.  Needs straffing for six weeks straight so it's reduced to rubble

Reinstate the old borders

Reinstate Palestinian territories

Recognition for Palestine across the board and if the whiners make too much noise, kick them out of the room, dump them on a cargo plane back to an Israel stripped of stolen territory and no longer recipient of anything other than what it can provide for itself

then see if Israel employs the Samson Option

When it does not, tell Israel to shut its mouth and consider itself lucky it still has a pot to pizz in

Most of all, no dual Israeli-American, Israeli-Brit, Israeli-Australian etc. citizenship.  And no dual citizenship Israeli in any political power anywhere in any other country.  No obligator 'visits to israel' by Aussie politicians or they can stay there permanently and survive without their Aussie pension

In any event, someone said yesterday that Israel won't exist, ten years into the future

I want it to exist though.  On a tight budget, learning to provide for itself, stripped of nukes and learning to grow up and shut up


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Yadda on Mar 17th, 2015 at 2:22pm


Ooooooooowww!

What an Israel hate-fest we have, so far!





Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6  A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7  Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8  Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.


Deuteronomy 32:43
Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.





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Jeremiah 23:7
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.





Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.


Psalms 149:1
Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2  Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3  Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
4  For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.


Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 17th, 2015 at 3:32pm
Oh I see, a fairytale book said "abracadabra" or "Zion" or some such word, and that mean that Palestinians must have their land stolen.

You should probably be made to see a psychiatrist if you believe that kind of gibberish.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Soren on Mar 17th, 2015 at 4:50pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
If the US, UK and all the others roped in to the nonsense stopped providing ammunition for Israel, it's politicians would swiftly learn to shut their gobs

Israel is the 'gay' in society.  Small in number but big on headlines

Israel has had nukes for decades.  We all know it.  Israel knows it.  Yet it's laid waste to the mid-east and still screams like an idiot about Iran being a nuke danger

Israel possesses 300 nukes that we know of.  Israel claims it will utilise the Samson Option and take the world down with it if it's crossed

How did this situation come to be?  'Israeli' fingers in every countries' affairs, that's how.  A creeping cancer and destructive menace

Time to call Israel's bluff.  Needs straffing for six weeks straight so it's reduced to rubble

Reinstate the old borders

Reinstate Palestinian territories

Recognition for Palestine across the board and if the whiners make too much noise, kick them out of the room, dump them on a cargo plane back to an Israel stripped of stolen territory and no longer recipient of anything other than what it can provide for itself

then see if Israel employs the Samson Option

When it does not, tell Israel to shut its mouth and consider itself lucky it still has a pot to pizz in

Most of all, no dual Israeli-American, Israeli-Brit, Israeli-Australian etc. citizenship.  And no dual citizenship Israeli in any political power anywhere in any other country.  No obligator 'visits to israel' by Aussie politicians or they can stay there permanently and survive without their Aussie pension

In any event, someone said yesterday that Israel won't exist, ten years into the future

I want it to exist though.  On a tight budget, learning to provide for itself, stripped of nukes and learning to grow up and shut up

;D ;D ;D


They would do all this if they were mad. But they aren't.
What you seem to forget in this miasma of froth and stupid indignation is that the Muslims want to destroy Israel. Not push it back to this, that or some other border but to destroy it.
And there is no 'creeping cancer'.   Israel has not made a claim to any sovereign territory. It uses the Occupied Territories (previously occupied by Jordan, never a sovereign country) as a buffer. It gave Gaza back to the Pallos and they promptly elected Hamas.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Yadda on Mar 17th, 2015 at 5:27pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Oh I see, a fairytale book said "abracadabra" or "Zion" or some such word, and that mean that Palestinians must have their land stolen.



Julius Abbott,

"abracadabra"

You are quite a magician yourself!

The Palestinians did not have 'their land' stolen by Israelis or Jews.

Their land is intact.



TRUTH

"Palestinian land" = = 'The East Bank',
and 'The East Bank' = = Jordan

Period.




More truth, and, some seemingly unanswerable Q's about 'Palestine' here --------- >

Palestinian land?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1257726500/0#0




Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 17th, 2015 at 5:45pm

Soren wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
gave Gaza back to the Pallos and they promptly elected Hamas.


So Israel should not give back stolen land because if they do groups created by Israel might take over?


Quote:
Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades...

..."When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military...

http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Soren on Mar 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 4:50pm:
gave Gaza back to the Pallos and they promptly elected Hamas.


So Israel should not give back stolen land because if they do groups created by Israel might take over?


Quote:
Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades...

..."When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military...

http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

Reading on....


Israeli officials who served in Gaza disagree on how much their own actions may have contributed to the rise of Hamas. They blame the group's recent ascent on outsiders, primarily Iran. This view is shared by the Israeli government. "Hamas in Gaza was built by Iran as a foundation for power, and is backed through funding, through training and through the provision of advanced weapons," Mr. Olmert said last Saturday. Hamas has denied receiving military assistance from Iran.
...
Mr. Halevy has in recent years urged Israel to negotiate with Hamas. He says that "Hamas can be crushed," but he believes that "the price of crushing Hamas is a price that Israel would prefer not to pay." When Israel's authoritarian secular neighbor, Syria, launched a campaign to wipe out Muslim Brotherhood militants in the early 1980s it killed more than 20,000 people, many of them civilians.

In its recent war in Gaza, Israel didn't set the destruction of Hamas as its goal. It limited its stated objectives to halting the Islamists' rocket fire and battering their overall military capacity. At the start of the Israeli operation in December, Defense Minister Ehud Barak told parliament that the goal was "to deal Hamas a severe blow, a blow that will cause it to stop its hostile actions from Gaza at Israeli citizens and soldiers."

Walking back to his house from the rubble of his neighbor's home, Mr. Cohen, the former religious affairs official in Gaza, curses Hamas and also what he sees as missteps that allowed Islamists to put down deep roots in Gaza.

He recalls a 1970s meeting with a traditional Islamic cleric who wanted Israel to stop cooperating with the Muslim Brotherhood followers of Sheikh Yassin: "He told me: 'You are going to have big regrets in 20 or 30 years.' He was right."

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Yadda on Mar 18th, 2015 at 9:03am

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Oh I see, a fairytale book said "abracadabra" or "Zion" or some such word, and that mean that Palestinians must have their land stolen.

You should probably be made to see a psychiatrist if you believe that kind of gibberish.



:)



Julius Abbott,

Yeah i just believe faerie tales [that were written more than 3,000 years ago] in a faerie tale book, because i am a person who does not have a good grasp on reality.



"abracadabra"



Deuteronomy 4:27
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.


Deuteronomy 28:37
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.


Deuteronomy 28:64
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65  And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66  And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:


1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
7  Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:
8  And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?
9  And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.


[n.b. In 1 Kings 9:6-9, God isn't threatening people and forcing a people to worship him.
Ancient Israel was a nation of people, WHO HAD BEEN REDEEMED FROM BONDAGE, by their God.
In 1 Kings 9:6-9, God is threatening to PUNISH Israel [who was a nation of people, who were 'in covenant' with God] if they brake their covenant with God.]






"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31




And, Christians and moslems should not 'write off' Israel/the Jewish people.

Read your bible!


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by BachToTheFuture on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:16am

Yadda wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
Ooooooooowww!

What an Israel hate-fest we have, so far!


It's a rare thread that can be put so succinctly. Well done, yadda.

It's really got nothing to do with Israel. It's classic anti-semitism, playing on the old jews-run-the-world card.

Here's the gist of the sob-story:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
How did this situation come to be?  'Israeli' fingers in every countries' affairs, that's how.  A creeping cancer and destructive menace


Puh-lease. Go take another hit on your bong. Maybe you'll have happier hallucinations next time.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by gandalf on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:48am

MumboJumbo wrote on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:16am:
It's really got nothing to do with Israel. It's classic anti-semitism, playing on the old jews-run-the-world card.


Its DA JOOOOOOOOOOOS!!

FD will be along any moment now to mockingly call it "wacist"

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:49am

MumboJumbo wrote on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:16am:
It's a rare thread that can be put so succinctly. Well done, yadda.

It's really got nothing to do with Israel. It's classic anti-semitism, playing on the old jews-run-the-world card.



If criticising Israel is anti-Semitic, then does that make criticising IS Islamophobic?

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by PZ547 on Mar 18th, 2015 at 11:01am
More whine ?


Yes, Netanyahu is banging the war drums and has been laughed out of the US

He's facing problems at home, too

Yesterday's US news is running a feature on hard times in Israel

Apparently, the divide in Israel between the Haves and Have Nots is at crisis point

The feature continues to say that despite receiving untold financial monies on constant basis from countries with severe financial difficulties of their own -- there nevertheless exist a sizeable proportion of Israelis who exist beneath the poverty threshold

and they're not just Israeli Arabs by any means

The situation is so dire in Israel re: the Have's, that the feature claims a mere 20 Israeli families hold the vast proportion of whatever wealth exists in Israel

Apparently, says the article, the 20 families recycle vast amounts between themselves and a complicated series of companies owned by them

Discontent in Israel is at a high, on those grounds alone, according to the article

War is profit.  Adelson in the US owns Netanyahu, according to other news sources

The US needs war to remain solvent and Netanyahu, according to news sources, is happy to bang the war-drums on behalf of certain US bodies

The world watches and courtesy of the interwebs, never has information been so swiftly and readily available

Netanyahu is screaming for war

he wants the US to nuke Iran

Another Israeli personality roared publicly, recently, that Israel should begin 'beheading' certain factions of its own society, namely, those Israelis who are not inclined toward more war, bloodshed, carnage, drama, etc

The insanity continues

Will Israelis vote for Netanyahu?  After all, he and his family are on the nose in Israel on account of exposed greed on the part of Netanyahu and his family

he was recently exposed for crying-poor and for taking news cameras into one of his maids' apartments and claiming he and his family lived there

Israel, with its decades' long possession of nukes (widely regarded as numbering 300 plus nukes) remains adamant the world should nuke Iran out of existence for having no nukes but -- according to Netanyahu -- the potential to create nukes

I know.  This woeful BS coming out of Israel is critical, therefore cited as 'anti semitic' by people who, like brat kids in the supermarket, appear of the opinion they're immune to criticism for some reason

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by PZ547 on Mar 18th, 2015 at 11:06am
.

Oh yeah --- in addition to the above news from Israel comes the news Israel is in the process of building yet another fence to prevent 'infiltrators' (known in the rest of the world as 'asylum seekers and refugees') from getting into the Promised Land

because Israel, with its multiplicity of nationalities all claiming to be jews, claims vehemently that it must protect its -- LOL -- homogeneity

For this reason, Israel prevailed upon an willing as heck Aussie MP named Danby to prevail upon the Australian government to take the Africans Israel rejects

Israel believes Australia either is not entitled to protect its homogeneity, or no longer has it, apparently

I posted that article from the Jerusalem Post in another thread, but can post it here if anyone wants to see it ...

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by bogarde73 on Mar 18th, 2015 at 11:27am
You must appreciate Israel's position. What was meant to be a Jewish homeland is in danger of being overwhelmed by it's Arab citizens, never mind the hostile ring of predators ever ready to devour it. And that because, alone of all the nations in that part of the world, it has made the "mistake" of trying to adhere to the democratic principle.
Democratic principles and standing against the Arab are a non sequitur.

Let us be grateful, I certainly am as a non-Jew, that enough Israelis have had the sense to probably give Netanyahu another term

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 18th, 2015 at 11:38am

PZ547 wrote on Mar 18th, 2015 at 11:01am:
... the 20 families recycle vast amounts between themselves and a complicated series of companies owned by them..


I found something dissimilar going on in the US when I researched who owned the biggest companies.

There is obviously something very shifty going on at the top, but the structures are far too complicated for the ordinary person to comprehend, and there is no political will to investigate the situation.

The wealth of the top 40 people in the US equals about 10% of US GDP


The Koch and Ziff families alone are worth over $100 billion - about 1% of US GDP!

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by bogarde73 on Mar 18th, 2015 at 11:47am
What is US GDP worth when it is vastly exceeded by its debt?
Maybe it is a valuable resource if there is some reserve of unencumbered wealth, whoever owns it.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by innocentbystander. on Mar 18th, 2015 at 12:12pm
Not sure why any Israeli should be worried about a Palestinian state, state or no state they hate Israel and want to destroy it, why would anyone care about the people that hate and want to kill you, doesn't make any sense.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Soren on Mar 19th, 2015 at 6:31pm
Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace (at any price)

So....


Netanyahu secures resounding victory



Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 20th, 2015 at 6:32pm
The two state 'solution' is the West's fantasy.
Israel is not interested in having a Hamastan on it's borders firing even more missiles into Israel, kidnapping civilians and spraying Israeli school buses and sea side cafes with AK47's.
It's time the West stopped rewarding the Arab terrorists.
The fact is the Arabs are sworn to destroy Israel and kill it's inhabitants, there Koran says so and they teach it to their kids in school daily and tell children on their televisions that Jews are pigs and apes.
There will be no two state solution ever until the Arabs lose their irrational Islamic Jew hatred, and only an Islamised lefty would believe the terrorists would stop once they have their own state.
They could have had their own state over forty years ago, there not interested in peace and have broken every ceasefire.
They are only interested in killing Jews.
They don't hate Jews because of Israel, but hate Israel because of Jews and the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon is on record as saying even if there was no Israel, they would still want the Jews dead elsewhere in the world.
Hamas's Charter also is committed to the destruction of Israel and the deaths of all Jews.
Fatah cheers when Jews are killed, and Abbas pays out millions of shekels every month to the families of martyr's killed whilst trying to kill Jews out of the money the stupid West gives the Palestinian Authority.
And with over 14000 missiles already fired into Israel to try to kill Jews in a few years has only ensured that the Israeli's oddly enough do not believe the Arabs to be peace partners, only idiotic Western leaders do.
It's only the Israeli's who have ever made concessions, they gave up Gaza for peace in 2005 in a unilateral full withdrawal uprooting over 10,000 Jewish inhabitants and the Islamists then turned Gaza into a launching pad for Iranian rockets and have been firing since.
If the West wants a Palestinian state so much, have one in Europe.
The two state 'solution' is the way to see even more war.
It's time the West woke up.


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Yadda on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:20pm


post #23

chicken_lipsforme, all valid points.

But we don't live in a rational world today.              :'(



We live in a world today, where many political leaders in the world today, seem to believe, that peace can assuredly come from appeasement of evil people,     ....from pandering to the demands of evil people.

That is not indicative of rational thought.




chicken_lipsforme,

Luckily, Israel is named after,
.....hmmmmm, who was it chicken_lipsforme, that Israel was named after ? ....



Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.


Isaiah 43:5
Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6  I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7  Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.



Against, THE NAME of Israel
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1420088512/1#1




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Yadda said....

Quote:

Julius Abbott,

Yeah i just believe faerie tales [that were written more than 3,000 years ago] in a faerie tale book, because i am a person who does not have a good grasp on reality.



"abracadabra"



Deuteronomy 4:27
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.


Deuteronomy 28:37
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.


Deuteronomy 28:64
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65  And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66  And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:


1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
7  Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:
8  And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?
9  And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.


[n.b. In 1 Kings 9:6-9, God isn't threatening people and forcing a people to worship him.
Ancient Israel was a nation of people, WHO HAD BEEN REDEEMED FROM BONDAGE, by their God.
In 1 Kings 9:6-9, God is threatening to PUNISH Israel [who was a nation of people, who were 'in covenant' with God] if they brake their covenant with God.]

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Julius Abbott on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:29pm

Soren wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace (at any price)[at the price agreed to by every other country in the world]

So....

Netanyahu secures resounding victory



and what does us tell us about Israelis?


When the Arabs eventually attack Israel, I think the world should remember that the Israelis voted against peace

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Resolute on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace (at any price)[at the price agreed to by every other country in the world]

So....

Netanyahu secures resounding victory



and what does us tell us about Israelis?


When the Arabs eventually attack Israel, I think the world should remember that the Israelis voted against peace


Arabs attacking Israel has been in the pipeline for the last ten years, which is why Israel will strike first, especially since Nobama is in the process of making a deal on nuclear "energy" weaponisation with Iran.

Israel will do the pre-emptive strikes, not the Arabs.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace (at any price)[at the price agreed to by every other country in the world]

So....

Netanyahu secures resounding victory



and what does us tell us about Israelis?


When the Arabs eventually attack Israel, I think the world should remember that the Israelis voted against peace


You mean "when the Arabs attack Israel for the 4th time (and are again sent home in tears) the world will remember that the Israelis made the right decision"

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Soren on Mar 20th, 2015 at 8:16pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace (at any price)[at the price agreed to by every other country in the world]

So....

Netanyahu secures resounding victory



and what does us tell us about Israelis?


When the Arabs eventually attack Israel, I think the world should remember that the Israelis voted against peace

When they attack they will be humiliated like every other time.

As the Jews gratefully say every morning, "Thank god for giving us the Arabs as enemies".

There would be no Israel if the 'Muslim world" was German or Swiss or Russian.
Arabs are children - emotionally, intellectually, they are tribal, they are clannish, they could not unite for chips.


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Yadda on Mar 20th, 2015 at 10:34pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 20th, 2015 at 6:32pm:
The two state 'solution' is the West's fantasy.
Israel is not interested in having a Hamastan on it's borders firing even more missiles into Israel, kidnapping civilians and spraying Israeli school buses and sea side cafes with AK47's.
It's time the West stopped rewarding the Arab terrorists.
The fact is the Arabs are sworn to destroy Israel and kill it's inhabitants, there Koran says so and they teach it to their kids in school daily and tell children on their televisions that Jews are pigs and apes.
There will be no two state solution ever until the Arabs lose their irrational Islamic Jew hatred, and only an Islamised lefty would believe the terrorists would stop once they have their own state.
They could have had their own state over forty years ago, there not interested in peace and have broken every ceasefire.
They are only interested in killing Jews.
They don't hate Jews because of Israel, but hate Israel because of Jews

and the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon is on record as saying even if there was no Israel, they would still want the Jews dead elsewhere in the world.

Hamas's Charter also is committed to the destruction of Israel and the deaths of all Jews.


Fatah cheers when Jews are killed, and Abbas pays out millions of shekels every month to the families of martyr's killed whilst trying to kill Jews out of the money the stupid West gives the Palestinian Authority.
And with over 14000 missiles already fired into Israel to try to kill Jews in a few years has only ensured that the Israeli's oddly enough do not believe the Arabs to be peace partners, only idiotic Western leaders do.
It's only the Israeli's who have ever made concessions, they gave up Gaza for peace in 2005 in a unilateral full withdrawal uprooting over 10,000 Jewish inhabitants and the Islamists then turned Gaza into a launching pad for Iranian rockets and have been firing since.
If the West wants a Palestinian state so much, have one in Europe.
The two state 'solution' is the way to see even more war.
It's time the West woke up.




The devout moslem has the mindset of a RIGHTEOUS HATRED, towards all infidels [.....i.e. BECAUSE THEY ARE INFIDELS!!]

Jews are infidels.

Australians are infidels.


We can see this mindset here, in another report.....
e.g.


Quote:
Islamists: "Destruction is a Matter of Time"
by Mitchell Bard  •  November 25, 2014 at 5:00 am

"If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them?

Of course not.

The Jews are infidels not because I say so but because Allah does...

They aren't our enemies because they occupy Palestine;

they would be our enemies even if they had not occupied anything." — Muhammad Hussein Ya'qub, Egyptian cleric.........
Google




.





AND THESE ARE THE WORDS OF A MOSLEM COMMUNITY LEADER, HERE IN AUSTRALIA, YT dated 2014-July-25 !!.....


Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: THE NATION [the ummah] HAS NOT CHANGED ITS THINKING, ITS RELIGION, OR ITS FAITH. [i.e. a moslem, IS, a moslem!!!]

IT [the ummah, the moslem community] HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A NATION OF JIHAD UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY."


....."What is happening in Gaza indicates that it is a delusion to think that PALESTINE can contain the Jews as well as ITS PEOPLE.

PALESTINE cannot contain the Muslims and the Jews.

The Jews.....will not remain there.

Any Jew living in PALESTINE is an illegitimate occupier.

He is a target of Jihad, and will end up in the garbage bin of history.

This [is] for all the Jews in PALESTINE.

It makes no difference whether a Jew is pro-peace or pro-war."




This guy -------------- >


Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine         goto 0m 50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

This guy -------------- >


IMAGE.....


This 'secular moslem' [speaking in above YT] is 'Australian', Ismail Alwahwah.



This is a moslem, who is a MOSLEM COMMUNITY LEADER, here in Australia.

And he has stated that the example, of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks in Paris, are the way [for 'the moslem'] to 'cure' the 'disrespect' shown to moslems, by disbelievers.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421022403/33#33


Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by Marla on Mar 21st, 2015 at 2:20am

PZ547 wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
If the US, UK and all the others roped in to the nonsense stopped providing ammunition for Israel, it's politicians would swiftly learn to shut their gobs.


Mossad is getting sick of NuttyYahoo/Likud bullshit, then maybe they can "help" the next election, if needed.

It's not like Benji won the last one. He was just able to form a coalition with the fringe parties even crazier than he is. Israel really needs to get rid of that assclown in their upcoming election.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 21st, 2015 at 10:09am

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:49am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Mar 18th, 2015 at 10:16am:
It's a rare thread that can be put so succinctly. Well done, yadda.

It's really got nothing to do with Israel. It's classic anti-semitism, playing on the old jews-run-the-world card.



If criticising Israel is anti-Semitic, then does that make criticising IS Islamophobic?


As Islamophobic as calling those in the world against Hitler in 1938 Naziphobic.
Both are exceptionally stupid terms used by only a particular type of person.
A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and there is nothing irrational whatsoever about having a fear of someone who wants you, your family and your culture dead.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 21st, 2015 at 10:27am

Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 20th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace (at any price)[at the price agreed to by every other country in the world]

So....

Netanyahu secures resounding victory



and what does us tell us about Israelis?


When the Arabs eventually attack Israel, I think the world should remember that the Israelis voted against peace


Irrelevant.
The Arabs will attack regardless as they are committed to Israel's destruction and the slaughter of all Jews.
And when the Arab's do attack, Israel expects the 'world' to do what they have always done in the past, nothing.
And the Israeli's will always remember this.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by bogarde73 on Mar 21st, 2015 at 10:56am
I don't think Bibi is averse to peace at all. He's an intelligent person and what intelligent person doesn't prefer peace.

I expect he just has the eminently sensible view that it's pointless to talk to a lot of inbreds who shoot at you while having peace talks. Very little percentage in that.

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by jmjcare on Mar 25th, 2015 at 3:04pm
Jerusalem on the Boil

London’s Guardian published what US major media won’t touch – a leaked EU report discussing a “vicious cycle of violence…increasingly threatening the viability of the two-state solution.”

It blames collapsed peace talks, settlement construction in “sensitive” Jerusalem areas, Al-Aqsa Mosque provocations, home demolitions and dispossessing Palestinians from their land.

The report is prepared annually by EU nations’ Jerusalem-based heads of mission. It suggests policy measures in light of Israeli actions.

Netanyahu pledged continued settlement construction and no Palestinian state on his watch if reelected.

His post-election statehood flip-flop rings as hollow as all other promises he makes. He’s a serial liar. Nothing he says has credibility.

In defiance of international law, he calls Jerusalem Israel’s exclusive “undivided capital.”

He wants Palestinians entirely excluded – forcefully removed if necessary.

Past EU reports critical of Israel accomplished nothing in the way of policy changes. Don’t bet on anything substantive this time.

The Guardian cited “well-informed European sources” favoring policy changes against Israel in the wake of a potentially more extremist government post-election than before.

They include voluntary guidelines only, not tough measures needed to address longstanding Israeli abuses. Examples include:

    “(F)urther and coordinated steps to ensure that consumers in the EU are able to exercise their right to an informed choice in respect to settlement products in conformity with existing EU rules of origin and labeling, including other possible future measures.”

    “Possible measures against known violent settlers and those calling for acts of violence as regards immigration regulations in EU member states.”

    “Strengthen efforts to raise awareness amongst EU citizens and businesses on the risks related to economic and financial activities in the settlements, including financial transactions, investments, purchases, procurements and services.”

    “Advance voluntary guidelines for EU tour operators to prevent support for settlement business in East Jerusalem.”

The Guardian said speculation mounts on whether Washington and EU countries will reassess how they treat Israel.

They’re hard-wired in place. They remain largely constant under all Israeli regimes. All are hardline. None are left-of-center.

The Guardian cited various high-profile violent incidents last year. It failed to explain Palestinians face Kristallnacht conditions daily.

It cited the EU report calling Jerusalem “one of the most emotive and problematic issues” in peace process discussions.

It omitted explaining longstanding peace process hypocrisy – the greatest scam in modern memory. Dead on arrival every time initiated.

The EU report cited “tensions, mistrust and violence which have accompanied developments in the city in the course of the year (at) extremely high levels.”

“These developments are increasingly threatening the viability of the two-state solution and, in turn, risk precipitating further levels of polarisation and violence.”

It said “2014 (was) distinguished by a number of specific, disturbing and often violent developments” – largely Israeli initiated.

It noted failure to address abuses will lead to “further escalation and extreme polarisation.”

    “These incidents have occurred against the background of the systematic increase in settlement activity, tensions over the Haram al-Sharif and rising levels of tensions and acts of violence” largely by Israel.

    “The expansion of settlements has continued, including in highly sensitive areas, (and was) followed in force by waves of demolitions and evictions.”

    “Almost on a daily basis settlers and national religious activists have ascended on to the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount under the protection of Israeli forces.”

    Abusive security force practices were highlighted – Israeli instigated violence “le(ading) to more than 1,300 arrests (with 40% of he detainees being minors).”

Coverup, denial and whitewash reflect official Israeli policy. A regime spokesman response didn’t surprise.

It lied calling the EU report “so extremely one-sided…that it distorts reality beyond comprehension.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/jerusalem-on-the-boil/5438476

Title: Re: Israel PM Says No To Peace
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 28th, 2015 at 3:14pm

jmjcare wrote on Mar 25th, 2015 at 3:04pm:
Jerusalem on the Boil

London’s Guardian published what US major media won’t touch – a leaked EU report discussing a “vicious cycle of violence…increasingly threatening the viability of the two-state solution.”

It blames collapsed peace talks, settlement construction in “sensitive” Jerusalem areas, Al-Aqsa Mosque provocations, home demolitions and dispossessing Palestinians from their land.

The report is prepared annually by EU nations’ Jerusalem-based heads of mission. It suggests policy measures in light of Israeli actions.

Netanyahu pledged continued settlement construction and no Palestinian state on his watch if reelected.

His post-election statehood flip-flop rings as hollow as all other promises he makes. He’s a serial liar. Nothing he says has credibility.

In defiance of international law, he calls Jerusalem Israel’s exclusive “undivided capital.”

He wants Palestinians entirely excluded – forcefully removed if necessary.

Past EU reports critical of Israel accomplished nothing in the way of policy changes. Don’t bet on anything substantive this time.

The Guardian cited “well-informed European sources” favoring policy changes against Israel in the wake of a potentially more extremist government post-election than before.

They include voluntary guidelines only, not tough measures needed to address longstanding Israeli abuses. Examples include:

    “(F)urther and coordinated steps to ensure that consumers in the EU are able to exercise their right to an informed choice in respect to settlement products in conformity with existing EU rules of origin and labeling, including other possible future measures.”

    “Possible measures against known violent settlers and those calling for acts of violence as regards immigration regulations in EU member states.”

    “Strengthen efforts to raise awareness amongst EU citizens and businesses on the risks related to economic and financial activities in the settlements, including financial transactions, investments, purchases, procurements and services.”

    “Advance voluntary guidelines for EU tour operators to prevent support for settlement business in East Jerusalem.”

The Guardian said speculation mounts on whether Washington and EU countries will reassess how they treat Israel.

They’re hard-wired in place. They remain largely constant under all Israeli regimes. All are hardline. None are left-of-center.

The Guardian cited various high-profile violent incidents last year. It failed to explain Palestinians face Kristallnacht conditions daily.

It cited the EU report calling Jerusalem “one of the most emotive and problematic issues” in peace process discussions.

It omitted explaining longstanding peace process hypocrisy – the greatest scam in modern memory. Dead on arrival every time initiated.

The EU report cited “tensions, mistrust and violence which have accompanied developments in the city in the course of the year (at) extremely high levels.”

“These developments are increasingly threatening the viability of the two-state solution and, in turn, risk precipitating further levels of polarisation and violence.”

It said “2014 (was) distinguished by a number of specific, disturbing and often violent developments” – largely Israeli initiated.

It noted failure to address abuses will lead to “further escalation and extreme polarisation.”

    “These incidents have occurred against the background of the systematic increase in settlement activity, tensions over the Haram al-Sharif and rising levels of tensions and acts of violence” largely by Israel.

    “The expansion of settlements has continued, including in highly sensitive areas, (and was) followed in force by waves of demolitions and evictions.”

    “Almost on a daily basis settlers and national religious activists have ascended on to the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount under the protection of Israeli forces.”

    Abusive security force practices were highlighted – Israeli instigated violence “le(ading) to more than 1,300 arrests (with 40% of he detainees being minors).”

Coverup, denial and whitewash reflect official Israeli policy. A regime spokesman response didn’t surprise.

It lied calling the EU report “so extremely one-sided…that it distorts reality beyond comprehension.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/jerusalem-on-the-boil/5438476


What else can one expect from the Guardian newspaper other than lies and total exaggeration, a newspaper that could be easily construed as the West's official PR department for Hamas.
Basically, a newspaper made only for left wing extremist Islamic apologists.
And only a fool would believe the Islamic nutjobs  would give up their irrational Jew hatred this time for land, as this has already been done before and has never succeeded.
And Netanyahu has no interest in ever establishing a Hamastan on its border that is guaranteed to be firing rockets into Tel Aviv.
The two state 'solution' is a fantasy just as believing the Guardian newspaper is a real paper.

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