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Thread Title: "muslm 'donations' go to terrorists"

First reply of the thread:


freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

So do government funds given to Muslim-run private schools in Australia.

A seemingly straightforward message from FD:

FD is referring to the Malek Fahd school who were found to have misused state allocated funding - paying their governing body - AFIC the funds for backdated rent and administrative fees.

FD makes the outrageously unfounded claim here that the money didn't go to where it was supposed to - therefore it most definitely *DID* go to terrorists. I put this to FD, and said its this sort of comments that make him an extremist.

But....

FD is now denying anything of the sort was said:


freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

You are confused Gandalf. What you quote, and what you attribute to me, are two different things. That is why it is such a convoluted effort on your part to "quote" me saying what you insist I said.

So FD wasn't saying that government funds given to this muslim-run private schools went to terrorists?

And yet, this is how he answers that very accusation in that the same thread:


freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Sorry, it was wrong of me to assume that Australia's own highly respected Muslim community leaders siphon off millions of dollars from their own children's education for sinister causes. Perhaps they donated it to girl guides instead. Have you checked the receipts? I'm sure it is all in order.

I think we can safely say you are using sarcasm here right FD?

Perhaps even that is not clear enough - so FD spells it out even more clearly:

In answer the specific allegation:


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:56pm:

no one except you is alleging they went to terrorists.

FD answers with:


freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm:

And sprint. Do you really think I am the first one to come up with that theory?

Oh FD - apparently you never even *MENTIONED* "that theory" - OH 2015 FD - PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO 2014 FD - THIS WAS NEVER SAID BY FD!!!

Why the lying FD?

Why the extraordinary gymnastics to deny what you spelled out in plain English?

Is it because you are so cut up about being called what you are - an extremist? Is it that you would have to confront the fact that making such outrageous allegations that are prejudiced and completely without basis - is in fact extremist?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Why the lying FD? Why the extraordinary gymnastics to deny what you spelled out in plain English? Is it because you are so cut up about being called what you are - an extremist? Is it that you would have to confront the fact that making such outrageous allegations that are prejudiced and completely without basis - is in fact extremist?

Muslims are funding Muslim terrorism.  Passive Muslims are as culpable as the active ones.  They could stop Muslim terrorism instantly if they wanted to. But they do not want to.  The extremists are the tools of the 'vast majority'.  You are using them as fodder and a deflection.

The 'vast majority' of Muslims are manipulating the 'tiny minority', scapegoating them as they are using them.  Prove it's not so, Gandy.  You, the 'vast majority', are the puppet masters.

Gawd. FD has his usual jolly chuckle and you want to make another 40-pager out of it.

I remember when you culled threads like this, G. Two legs good, four legs bad. Be careful you don’t turn into the new FD. If it can happen to the 2007 FD, it could happen to any of us.

Let this thread sink like a stone into oblivion. Next time FD does his Abu routine, respond with an ah.

The old boy says it has depth.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Why the lying FD? Why the extraordinary gymnastics to deny what you spelled out in plain English? Is it because you are so cut up about being called what you are - an extremist? Is it that you would have to confront the fact that making such outrageous allegations that are prejudiced and completely without basis - is in fact extremist?

gandalf,

It is easy for 'the moslem' [in their own mind] to win an argument [with those who are not moslems],
......when [in their own mind] 'the moslem' will selectively redefine the terms that are being used, in the course of their debate [with those who are not moslems].       !!!!          :D




Moslem clerics commonly refer to non-moslems who reject ISLAM, as terrorists/extremists.

Anyone who resists Allah's pre-determined will, can ['logically'] be described as an extremist - by a moslem.



e.g.

The Bali bomb terrorists, weren't really terrorists.

Many a moslem, would describe such people as virtuous, 'counter-terrorists'.

:D



IMAGE.....
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JV4huMJOte8/hqdefault.jpg

"There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists,"
- Abu Bakar Bashir



Quote:

[ISLAM teaches the moslem that] Those who oppose violent Jihad, are 'terrorists'... [quote] Bashir calls bombers 'counter-terrorists' June 26, 2007 HARDLINE Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir said today that extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims and feted them as "counter-terrorists." "There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists," Bashir said. ......But he called on Indonesian Muslims to refrain from accusing people of terrorism, saying it would be tantamount to assisting the US. Bashir spoke at a press conference to announce plans, together with 13 lawyers from the "Team for the Defence of Muslims," to file a suit demanding that Indonesia's counter-terrorism police unit be disbanded. Lawyer Munarman alleged that the counter-terrorism squad was financed opaquely by the US, sought to make war against Islam and used torture to secure admissions from suspects. He also said that the squad was discriminatory as it only acted against Muslims, adding the team planned to file the suit on tomorrow at the South Jakarta district court. Bashir has redoubled his efforts to get Sharia law enforced in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, since his release from prison.

old, dead link;   http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21973518-23109,00.html

Google;
"There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists,"




Do you remember the Bali bombings ?

Indonesian ISLAMIC cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, is talking about the people who committed teh Bali bombings atrocities.

And Abu Bakar Bashir, describes those persons as 'counter-terrorists' !!!

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Malk Fahd school was cleared about the money issues and council increased there student capacity by couple hundred students last year.

I guess FD was wrong.

wally1 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:05am:

I guess FD was wrong.

Well according to 2015 FD he can't  be wrong - because he never said it in the first place.

What do you say FD? Wrong to assume AFIC used the money they took from Malek Fahd for terrorism? Or you prefer your term "sinister causes"?

Karnal wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

Gawd. FD has his usual jolly chuckle and you want to make another 40-pager out of it. I remember when you culled threads like this, G. Two legs good, four legs bad. Be careful you don’t turn into the new FD. If it can happen to the 2007 FD, it could happen to any of us. Let this thread sink like a stone into oblivion. Next time FD does his Abu routine, respond with an ah. The old boy says it has depth.

You are right K - I am shamed  :-[

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:49am:

[quote author=Karnal link=1426841600/3#3 date=1426855854]Gawd. FD has his usual jolly chuckle and you want to make another 40-pager out of it. I remember when you culled threads like this, G. Two legs good, four legs bad. Be careful you don’t turn into the new FD. If it can happen to the 2007 FD, it could happen to any of us. Let this thread sink like a stone into oblivion. Next time FD does his Abu routine, respond with an ah. The old boy says it has depth.

You are right K - I am shamed  :-[/quote]

Well, G. You of all people should know that sometimes a question is just a question.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Why the lying FD? Why the extraordinary gymnastics to deny what you spelled out in plain English? Is it because you are so cut up about being called what you are - an extremist? Is it that you would have to confront the fact that making such outrageous allegations that are prejudiced and completely without basis - is in fact extremist?

Yet you with all your breast beating accusing others of being extremist (a typical muslim extremist trait I might add) still haven't proved the money never went to the usual Islamic Extremist Terrorist Organizations.