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Message started by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:13am

Title: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:13am
MIKE Baird is set to lead the Coalition to an election victory on Saturday despite more than 40 per cent of voters opposing his plan to privatise poles and wires. 
 
An exclusive Galaxy Research poll commissioned by The Sunday Telegraph has found Coalition supporters among those against the 49 per cent lease, with 22 per cent against the plan.

The Coalition is staking its key infrastructure commitments on the lease, which it hopes will generate around $20 billion.

The poll asked voters on March 18-19 for their voting intensions, views on the privatisation of poles and wires and the influence of the Abbott government.

It found 42 per cent of voters were less likely to support the Coalition due to the poles and wires plan, with 39 per cent stating it would not influence their vote.

Another 13 per cent said they were now more likely to support the Coalition.

As expected, the majority of Coalition supporters backed the plan with 63 per cent in favour.

Labor voters were overwhelmingly opposed with 80 per cent against the privatisation.

The poll showed the performance of the Abbott government was at play with 35 per cent less likely to vote for the Baird government — up from 32 per cent last month.

However, 45 per cent stated the Federal government would have no influence over their voting intentions.

Support for the Coalition has dropped since the 2011 State election from 51.1 per cent to 45 per cent, although picking up by two percentage points since February.

At the same time, support for Labor has risen from 25.6 per cent at the state election to 36 per cent.

Support for the Greens has remained unchanged at 10 per cent.

On a two-party preferred basis, the Coalition was heading for a clear victory with 54 per cent support over 46 per cent for Labor.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/galaxy-poll-54-per-cent-want-mike-baird-to-win-state-election/story-fnpn118l-1227272953479

Title: Re: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)

Title: Re: Baird loses mandate for power lease
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)



NSW to back a worsening in budget position because of the electricity sell off. Roll on NSW's version of Queensland ... qld were fooled by pretty boy newman ... for one election only.

NSW is sophisticated enough to wake up as quick to the con trick being pulled by liberals.

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)



Whilst I don't live in NSW, as a Victorian watching prices rise (interestingly, the power price per KW/h dropped at first, but the service charge rose and is still rising.   My KW/h rate now has also rising to darwin levels!) I feel NSW will suffer the same fate.  But that's for the good voters of NSW to decide

However, if you are taking the line that success at the election is a go ahead for Baird, then surely you would think the same about Premier Andrews in Vic scrapping the East/West link?

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:42am

Vic wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)



Whilst I don't live in NSW, as a Victorian watching prices rise (interestingly, the power price per KW/h dropped at first, but the service charge rose and is still rising.   My KW/h rate now has also rising to darwin levels!) I feel NSW will suffer the same fate.  But that's for the good voters of NSW to decide

However, if you are taking the line that success at the election is a go ahead for Baird, then surely you would think the same about Premier Andrews in Vic scrapping the East/West link?


Andrews scrapped something that had already been started by the previous government, something that was necessary. His decision was petty and will cost taxpayers in Victoria considerably. Baird has gone to this election with this policy as his main platform. So yes, if he wins he will have a definite mandate to go ahead with his lease plans - especially given the polling on this issue. Less than half are against it, nearly the same amount say it won't affect their vote and 13% say they will vote for the Coalition on this issue alone. That's a mandate for sure!  ;D

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:46am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:42am:

Vic wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)



Whilst I don't live in NSW, as a Victorian watching prices rise (interestingly, the power price per KW/h dropped at first, but the service charge rose and is still rising.   My KW/h rate now has also rising to darwin levels!) I feel NSW will suffer the same fate.  But that's for the good voters of NSW to decide

However, if you are taking the line that success at the election is a go ahead for Baird, then surely you would think the same about Premier Andrews in Vic scrapping the East/West link?


Andrews scrapped something that had already been started by the previous government, something that was necessary. His decision was petty and will cost taxpayers in Victoria considerably. Baird has gone to this election with this policy as his main platform. So yes, if he wins he will have a definite mandate to go ahead with his lease plans - especially given the polling on this issue. Less than half are against it, nearly the same amount say it won't affect their vote and 13% say they will vote for the Coalition on this issue alone. That's a mandate for sure!  ;D


Liberals are not better economic managers

New details suggest the Liberals rushed to close the East West Link deal for political reasons, exposing us to unnecessary risk.

...


But it's time to abandon the rhetoric from the Liberals that they are the better economic managers, certainly in Victoria, where the handling of the East West Link shows they exposed taxpayers to greater financial risk than they needed to, ostensibly for political reasons. That's not good economic management, that's economic sabotage.


http://www.smh.com.au/comment/liberals-are-not-better-economic-managers-20150318-1m1we2.html


Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:53am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)


which labor and greens will ignore of course.

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)


which labor and greens will ignore of course.


Yes, mandates mean little to Labor/Greens pollies. That is, of course, unless they're seeking the mandate. Then it's the best thing since sliced bread!

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:03am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:42am:

Vic wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)



Whilst I don't live in NSW, as a Victorian watching prices rise (interestingly, the power price per KW/h dropped at first, but the service charge rose and is still rising.   My KW/h rate now has also rising to darwin levels!) I feel NSW will suffer the same fate.  But that's for the good voters of NSW to decide

However, if you are taking the line that success at the election is a go ahead for Baird, then surely you would think the same about Premier Andrews in Vic scrapping the East/West link?


Andrews scrapped something that had already been started by the previous government, something that was necessary. His decision was petty and will cost taxpayers in Victoria considerably. Baird has gone to this election with this policy as his main platform. So yes, if he wins he will have a definite mandate to go ahead with his lease plans - especially given the polling on this issue. Less than half are against it, nearly the same amount say it won't affect their vote and 13% say they will vote for the Coalition on this issue alone. That's a mandate for sure!  ;D


Andrews went to the Victorian election with a signature policy to stop East/West link.   He booted out a one term poor Liberal/Nat government in a resounding victory.    If you believe in mandates - he certainly had one!

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by John Smith on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:03am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)


which labor and greens will ignore of course.


if Baird is given a real 'mandate', then it shouldn't matter what labor or the greens do.

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:04am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)


which labor and greens will ignore of course.
No election under any of our voting systems in Australia are capable of producing a mandate.  If you were honest to yourself and more importantly if you had any self respect you would at least acknowledge that to be true.

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:07pm

Vic wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:42am:

Vic wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)



Whilst I don't live in NSW, as a Victorian watching prices rise (interestingly, the power price per KW/h dropped at first, but the service charge rose and is still rising.   My KW/h rate now has also rising to darwin levels!) I feel NSW will suffer the same fate.  But that's for the good voters of NSW to decide

However, if you are taking the line that success at the election is a go ahead for Baird, then surely you would think the same about Premier Andrews in Vic scrapping the East/West link?


Andrews scrapped something that had already been started by the previous government, something that was necessary. His decision was petty and will cost taxpayers in Victoria considerably. Baird has gone to this election with this policy as his main platform. So yes, if he wins he will have a definite mandate to go ahead with his lease plans - especially given the polling on this issue. Less than half are against it, nearly the same amount say it won't affect their vote and 13% say they will vote for the Coalition on this issue alone. That's a mandate for sure!  ;D


Andrews went to the Victorian election with a signature policy to stop East/West link.   He booted out a one term poor Liberal/Nat government in a resounding victory.    If you believe in mandates - he certainly had one!


ah yes... mandates only exists when they serve your purpose.  how unoriginal.

how about the mandate to remove the carbon tax?

Title: Re: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by John Smith on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:07pm:
how about the mandate to remove the carbon tax?


what about it? He removed the carbon tax without labors vote .. you could argue that in that case he did have a mandate.

Just as one could argue that if he needed labors vote to remove the carbon tax, there was no real mandate

Title: Re: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by Dnarever on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)


Less than half of voters oppose the power lease,


This does not mean that even 20% support the sale ?

Title: Re: Baird lose mandate for power lease
Post by Dnarever on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:53am:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)



Thats what howard thought too


Baird will have a clear mandate. :)


A night out with Hissy Pyne ?

Title: Re: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by The Grappler on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm
So this is how it works?

If the government foolishly holds on to the power network etc, it will pour money into it to keep it going and that will cost the end user.

But if the private companies grab the power network etc, and stack their boards with cronies at exorbitant rates and tentacle (ten times) the staff to run the show while still paying rent to the government, and pour the same money into the network etc to keep it viable etc... it's not going to cost the end user a cent?

Wow - that is efficiency of private enterprise!

(Igor - I get the feeling something is wrong here... but I can't quite put Baird's finger on it....)

Title: Re: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)


Less than half of voters oppose the power lease,


This does not mean that even 20% support the sale ?


No, it means that for the majority, they either support the sale or it will have no impact on how they vote.

Title: Re: Baird to win mandate for power lease
Post by The Grappler on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 1:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 6:14am:
So, a couple of things to take from this poll. Less than half of voters oppose the power lease, and virtually the same number say it won't affect how they vote. The other thing is that the Greens, as always, are irrelevant.  :)


Less than half of voters oppose the power lease,


This does not mean that even 20% support the sale ?


No, it means that for the majority, they either support the sale or it will have no impact on how they vote.


Well, in that case it is a clear as mud how Baird will win a mandate for power leasing...  obviously if the majority don't care one way or another, there is no mandate anyway, since the issue has no real support.

A mandate is a positive affirmative vote in favour - not just a hodge-podge of miscellaneous reasons for voting...


Simple answer - put a question on the voting paper:-

"Do you support the sell-off of power whatever into private hands?"

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