They are legion.

They are the enemies of Western civilisation.

They are the new SS-in-waiting.

And our Western politicians are doing absolutely nothing about them for fear of losing votes and being labelled 'racists'.

Contrary to commonsense our Western politicians are working hard to prevent the voluntary deportation of the worst of these 'Moderate Muslims'.

These are the ones who want to leave Western civilisation to go help the Muslim SS in Iraq and Syria with their beheadings, immolations, stonings, throwings off of high buildings, crucifixions, mass-grave executions, sex-slavery, female auctions, and sundry other barbarities.

In total defiance of majority public opinion and commonsense, our Western governments have chosen to ensure the worst of these 'Moderate Muslims' remain living within our city suburbs as a 5th column waiting to be activated to violent jihad within our own Western homelands.

I'll say it again - the 'enemy' is not so much the worst of our 'Moderate Muslims' - but our very own politicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGN8SlIEZ8

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islamic terrorism is not the problem.

The problem is islam

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 11:35am:

response to trolling removed

If you did a better job with the troll we wouldn't have to respond to the troll. :)

moses wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

islamic terrorism is not the problem. The problem is islam

According to whom?  You?  A noted Islamophobe?  You don't think you might have a problem with bias?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

I love to see the apologists grovelling in the sewer with their islamic masters.

Here's your favourite tune:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifit's got nuffink to do wiv islam http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifislam's a religion of peace http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifthe qur'an doesn't mean what it says http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifbecause it's written in arabic http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifit's only a tiny minority http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifthe moderate majority http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifmuslims are the victims http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifit's the Joo's fault http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifand America's fault http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifwer'e just vilified  muslims http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gifthat's why we kill you http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/ringerding/music1.gif

moses wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

islamic terrorism is not the problem. The problem is islam

I'm not entirely convinced of that, Moses. The early writings were peaceful and moderate in tone, with only the later writings becoming strident and militant.

I knew a whole swathe of Muslims at my workplace who were genuinely as nice a people as you could ever wish to meet.

The problem is when some of the Muslims focus on the most aggressive and intolerant chapters of the Islamic scripts without allowing themselves to acknowledge the good and kindly parts that counsel against becoming radicalised.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 3:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 31st, 2015 at 11:35am: response to trolling removed If you did a better job with the troll we wouldn't have to respond to the troll. :)

You should not refer to the Sensei in such disrespectful ways!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 3:43pm:

moses wrote on Mar 31st, 2015 at 2:43pm: islamic terrorism is not the problem. The problem is islam I'm not entirely convinced of that, Moses. The early writings were peaceful and moderate in tone, with only the later writings becoming strident and militant. I knew a whole swathe of Muslims at my workplace who were genuinely as nice a people as you could ever wish to meet. The problem is when some of the Muslims focus on the most aggressive and intolerant chapters of the Islamic scripts without allowing themselves to acknowledge the good and kindly parts that counsel against becoming radicalised.

Sensei, this sounds normal.  Are you sure you haven't been frightened by the nasty Baron?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Herb
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I'm not entirely convinced of that, Moses. The early writings were peaceful and moderate in tone, with only the later writings becoming strident and militant. I knew a whole swathe of Muslims at my workplace who were genuinely as nice a people as you could ever wish to meet. The problem is when some of the Muslims focus on the most aggressive and intolerant chapters of the Islamic scripts without allowing themselves to acknowledge the good and kindly parts that counsel against becoming radicalised.

When I see the so called moderate muslims address the, aggressive and intolerant chapters, as being fallible, imperfect and subject to change, not relevant to the 21st century, then I will have some time for them.

I'm sure they'll be glad to know that, Moses.   ::)

Herbie, why have you contradicted your original post that started the thread?   ::)

|dev|null wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 31st, 2015 at 3:43pm: moses wrote on Mar 31st, 2015 at 2:43pm: islamic terrorism is not the problem. The problem is islam I'm not entirely convinced of that, Moses. The early writings were peaceful and moderate in tone, with only the later writings becoming strident and militant. I knew a whole swathe of Muslims at my workplace who were genuinely as nice a people as you could ever wish to meet. The problem is when some of the Muslims focus on the most aggressive and intolerant chapters of the Islamic scripts without allowing themselves to acknowledge the good and kindly parts that counsel against becoming radicalised. Sensei, this sounds normal.  Are you sure you haven't been frightened by the nasty Baron?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

The Muslims have held Herbie hostage.

Either that, or the UK Daily Mail’s had a complete editorial overhaul.

Ah another idiot post, well done golf clap.
Brian really is just so passe these days.

I wonder why you consider asking pertinent questions, "passe", Matty?   ::)

Quote:

THE UGLY FACE OF 'MODERATE' EXTREMISM’. The vast majority of Australians are confounded as to why their politicians are failing to apportion blame to the teachings of Islam. Well, there are two reasons why and both are fast wearing thin. The first is an electoral one. Islam has been able to skew up to 20 Federal seats in Labor’s favour and the Coalition is fearful of their success in more. Why is Labor the party of preference for Islam? That’s an easy one; social benefits. Muslims are mostly unemployable, they pray five times a day, take Friday arvos off to listen to Mullahs promote our demise and have made an art-form of rorting welfare systems world-wide. This leaves them with plenty of time on their hands to plot their hosts’ destruction. First thing a Muslim immigrant did on arrival is call the local friendly Islamic doc. And got himself on a disability pension. His disability is usually no more an aversion to work. Then he needed to get his wives and nine kids here, family reunions are an Islamic gold mine. Now he needs to apply for housing somewhere near all the other Muslim families and this is where it gets interesting. The mother(s) of his kids apply to Child Welfare authorities complaining of not being able to care for the children and she needs assistance, but she has this terrific idea... “there’s a lady up the road who would make a wonderful carer, and guess what? She is my sister and she already knows the children.” Ya can't get better than that he? So now, on paper at least, the sister up the road is bedevilled by 18 kids and needs to offload 9 of them so she complains to child welfare that she too can't cope, “but there’s another lady up the road who would make a wonderful carer...”. Get the idea? I mean the Government hands over $200 per child, per week, in this merry-go-round of welfare fraud and everyone’s happy. By the time this scam goes up and down just one western Sydney street there are financially secure Islamic families everywhere, and all on a total of at least $3,000 a week! Why wouldn't Australia be their port of preference? But why aren't they caught defrauding the system? Well, that has a simple answer too. They swap their cars and swap their names... Muslims have multiple names to defraud authorities anyway. And if the authorities try to clamp down on the scam there’s always a friendly Islam sympathetic solicitor who will recommend some free legal aid. In the meantime nothing has changed in the street except the level of social benefits has skyrocketed. The Federal welfare budget has now exploded at the expense of needy Aussies. The other reason politicians fail to blame Islam is that the last thing they want is to get mainstream Islam offside. They hope to get “moderate” Muslims to cooperate in catching “radical” Muslims. How naive. How bloody stupid. How damned dangerous! The Lakemba protesters complaining last night of the police raids are about as “moderate” as Muslims get. The most radical of Muslims are their leaders. Muslims will never integrate. We can keep trying to guess who wants to behead us until we get it wrong or misread some “chatter” and by then it’s too late. We can refuse to learn from the Islamic disasters in France, Belgium, the UK and the Netherlands, or we can do something about the scourge now. 1. Stop building mosques. 2. Stop Islamic immigration. 3. Ban insidious Sharia law. 4. Stop the welfare rorts. 5. Arrest those who incite violence. 6. Stop the Halal certification extortion racket that finances their terrorist activities and, 7. Stop the PC and 18C nonsense that exhibits our weakness and emboldens Islam’s worst. Australians in general are not rednecks but we are well and truly over it.

Not my quote but I agree with the sentiments.

Gnads wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Quote: THE UGLY FACE OF 'MODERATE' EXTREMISM’. The vast majority of Australians are confounded as to why their politicians are failing to apportion blame to the teachings of Islam. Well, there are two reasons why and both are fast wearing thin. The first is an electoral one. Islam has been able to skew up to 20 Federal seats in Labor’s favour and the Coalition is fearful of their success in more. Why is Labor the party of preference for Islam? That’s an easy one; social benefits. Muslims are mostly unemployable, they pray five times a day, take Friday arvos off to listen to Mullahs promote our demise and have made an art-form of rorting welfare systems world-wide. This leaves them with plenty of time on their hands to plot their hosts’ destruction. First thing a Muslim immigrant did on arrival is call the local friendly Islamic doc. And got himself on a disability pension. His disability is usually no more an aversion to work. Then he needed to get his wives and nine kids here, family reunions are an Islamic gold mine. Now he needs to apply for housing somewhere near all the other Muslim families and this is where it gets interesting. The mother(s) of his kids apply to Child Welfare authorities complaining of not being able to care for the children and she needs assistance, but she has this terrific idea... “there’s a lady up the road who would make a wonderful carer, and guess what? She is my sister and she already knows the children.” Ya can't get better than that he? So now, on paper at least, the sister up the road is bedevilled by 18 kids and needs to offload 9 of them so she complains to child welfare that she too can't cope, “but there’s another lady up the road who would make a wonderful carer...”. Get the idea? I mean the Government hands over $200 per child, per week, in this merry-go-round of welfare fraud and everyone’s happy. By the time this scam goes up and down just one western Sydney street there are financially secure Islamic families everywhere, and all on a total of at least $3,000 a week! Why wouldn't Australia be their port of preference? But why aren't they caught defrauding the system? Well, that has a simple answer too. They swap their cars and swap their names... Muslims have multiple names to defraud authorities anyway. And if the authorities try to clamp down on the scam there’s always a friendly Islam sympathetic solicitor who will recommend some free legal aid. In the meantime nothing has changed in the street except the level of social benefits has skyrocketed. The Federal welfare budget has now exploded at the expense of needy Aussies. The other reason politicians fail to blame Islam is that the last thing they want is to get mainstream Islam offside. They hope to get “moderate” Muslims to cooperate in catching “radical” Muslims. How naive. How bloody stupid. How damned dangerous! The Lakemba protesters complaining last night of the police raids are about as “moderate” as Muslims get. The most radical of Muslims are their leaders. Muslims will never integrate. We can keep trying to guess who wants to behead us until we get it wrong or misread some “chatter” and by then it’s too late. We can refuse to learn from the Islamic disasters in France, Belgium, the UK and the Netherlands, or we can do something about the scourge now. 1. Stop building mosques. 2. Stop Islamic immigration. 3. Ban insidious Sharia law. 4. Stop the welfare rorts. 5. Arrest those who incite violence. 6. Stop the Halal certification extortion racket that finances their terrorist activities and, 7. Stop the PC and 18C nonsense that exhibits our weakness and emboldens Islam’s worst. Australians in general are not rednecks but we are well and truly over it. Not my quote but I agree with the sentiments.

I agree entirely

Gnads wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Not my quote but I agree with the sentiments.

What a shame it's completely inaccurate, like most Islamophobia.   ::)

And how is it inaccurate luvvie?

There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army.

The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL.

Gnads wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 7:40am:

And how is it inaccurate luvvie?

The Government cannot stop most of those activities because of Section 116 of the Australian Constitution, Gnads.  All they are doing is displaying their ignorance of how the Legal system operates in Australia.   the Government can regulate, it cannot stop religious activities unless they are breaking criminal laws.    ::)

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army. The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL.

Perhaps both military forces need to show they are fighting ISIL rather than sitting back watching their activities, Soren?   ::)

Here’s another excuse, Moses: the quarter of the world’s population who are Muslims struggle to live out their lives, just like you and me.

It would be a bit mean to just kill them all off. But yes, I realize I’m going against the grain of popular opinion here on the Islam board.

Gud is great, no?

  "For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people
  to do nothing."
  Edmund Burke.

Gnads wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

"For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people   to do nothing."   Edmund Burke.

Well, apart from the fact Edmund Burke didn't say that, Gnads, are you directing your views towards the Muslims who are extremists or all Muslims like, say Yadda, Moses, Soren, FD, Baronvert and a few others invariably do?   ::)

None the less it's a true statement whomever said it.

Most references puts it down to Burke. One refutes it but there's no mention of who actually said it.

http://www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au/stories/farah-4-kidz

Gnads wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

None the less it's a true statement whomever said it. Most references puts it down to Burke. One refutes it but there's no mention of who actually said it. http://www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au/stories/farah-4-kidz

You believe what Today Tonight claims, Gnads?  Interesting.  How long have you been this desperate?   ::)

Karbal wrote
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Here’s another excuse, Moses: the quarter of the world’s population who are Muslims struggle to live out their lives, just like you and me. It would be a bit mean to just kill them all off. But yes, I realize I’m going against the grain of popular opinion here on the Islam board. Gud is great, no?

I would prefer to have muslims see the light (so to speak) and realize that islam is (and always has been) the most backward, evil, blood crazed cult on the face of the earth.

As muslims (have in the past and will in the future) follow this satanic evilness with unabated willingness, there is no other way for them, but a neverending downwards spiral.

When (but this day will most likely never come) muslims and their apologists openly criticize and ameliorate the evil shortcomings of islam, allah, muhammad, the qur'an and hadi'th, there may be some hope for them.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:26am: There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army. The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL. Perhaps both military forces need to show they are fighting ISIL rather than sitting back watching their activities, Soren?   ::)

Ah,  so you WANT the West to invade Iraq and Syria and then Muslims would join the British and Australian armies.

Who knew you were such a hawk, Brain!

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 11:40am: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:26am: There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army. The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL. Perhaps both military forces need to show they are fighting ISIL rather than sitting back watching their activities, Soren?   ::) Ah,  so you WANT the West to invade Iraq and Syria and then Muslims would join the British and Australian armies. Who knew you were such a hawk, Brain!

I refuse to be compartmentalised, Soren, particularly by a person such as yourself, with your Islamophobia.    ::)

moses wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Karbal wrote Quote: Here’s another excuse, Moses: the quarter of the world’s population who are Muslims struggle to live out their lives, just like you and me. It would be a bit mean to just kill them all off. But yes, I realize I’m going against the grain of popular opinion here on the Islam board. Gud is great, no? I would prefer to have muslims see the light (so to speak) and realize that islam is (and always has been) the most backward, evil, blood crazed cult on the face of the earth. As muslims (have in the past and will in the future) follow this satanic evilness with unabated willingness, there is no other way for them, but a neverending downwards spiral. When (but this day will most likely never come) muslims and their apologists openly criticize and ameliorate the evil shortcomings of islam, allah, muhammad, the qur'an and hadi'th, there may be some hope for them.

What about banning them?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 11:40am: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:26am: There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army. The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL. Perhaps both military forces need to show they are fighting ISIL rather than sitting back watching their activities, Soren?   ::) Ah,  so you WANT the West to invade Iraq and Syria and then Muslims would join the British and Australian armies. Who knew you were such a hawk, Brain! I refuse to be compartmentalised, Soren, particularly by a person such as yourself, with your Islamophobia.    ::)

But you are eager to compartmentalise others.

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:32pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 11:40am: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:26am: There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army. The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL. Perhaps both military forces need to show they are fighting ISIL rather than sitting back watching their activities, Soren?   ::) Ah,  so you WANT the West to invade Iraq and Syria and then Muslims would join the British and Australian armies. Who knew you were such a hawk, Brain! I refuse to be compartmentalised, Soren, particularly by a person such as yourself, with your Islamophobia.    ::) But you are eager to compartmentalise others.

Nope. If you show that your Islamophobia is cured, then you'll be cured, Soren.   ::)

Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:32pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 11:40am: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:26am: There are twice as many British Muslims fighting with ISIL than there are in the British Army. The stats are similar for Australia - about 100 Muslims in the ADF and 200+ in ISIL. Perhaps both military forces need to show they are fighting ISIL rather than sitting back watching their activities, Soren?   ::) Ah,  so you WANT the West to invade Iraq and Syria and then Muslims would join the British and Australian armies. Who knew you were such a hawk, Brain! I refuse to be compartmentalised, Soren, particularly by a person such as yourself, with your Islamophobia.    ::) But you are eager to compartmentalise others. Nope. If you show that your Islamophobia is cured, then you'll be cured, Soren.   ::) Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO

http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg

The 'vast majority' is more dangerous than the 'tiny minority'.

How about that.

“The better integrated, the higher the risk of radicalization.
Author: Dr. Marion van San, Senior Researcher at RISBO, an independent research institute, active in the field of learning and society that is affiliated with the Faculty of Social Sciences at Erasmus University Rotterdam. Since 2009 she has conducted ethnographic studies of families of radicalizing youths.
Since we know that many young people left Belgium, but also from other European countries, to join the armed conflict in Syria, a fierce debate has erupted. However, the debate as conducted in Belgium is permeated by a series of stereotypes, that are not consistent with what is known from international literature, and that block a proper analysis of the phenomenon.

That young people from Europe who leave for Syria are victims of a society that does not accept them, and does not offer them sufficient opportunities – a proposition that Rik Coolsaet has supported in an earlier edition of this newspaper – is however not supported by empirical evidence. Not only in literature on Islamic extremism, but also on terrorism in general and terrorism of any kind, the conclusion is always the same: it does not always concern people with low socioeconomic status. Neither does it always concern the marginalized and the frustrated, or people with a psychiatric disorder. The Belgian families from which the young people have left, are not all from the lower classes, and the young people who left are not all unskilled and frustrated. For the discrimination they are suggested to be victims of, there has usually been little empirical evidence.
http://10news.dk/?p=1134

Beware of the 'vast majority'.

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg

I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::)

What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain?

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain?

Respect for elders?
Respect for private property?
Respect for the individual?
Respect for women?
Respect for children?

Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::)

What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter.

Please explain.

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain.

Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::)

Karnal wrote
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What about banning them?

No need for that at all.

By their fruits (unspeakable human rights atrocities on a monumental scale) muslims and their apologists are known.

Truth and right will eventually win, muslims and their bootlicking apologists will bring themselves down (no matter how many lies and excuses they keep trotting out).

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::)

#1 Respect for elders?          ISLAM - FAIL
Respect for private property?          ISLAM - FAIL
Respect for the individual?          ISLAM - FAIL
Respect for women?          ISLAM - FAIL
Respect for children?          ISLAM - FAIL



e.g. #1, FAIL   -------- >


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February 5, 2008 70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh ....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php



for the other categories of ISLAM - FAIL, search here ------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::)

Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives?

Respect for elders?
Respect for private property?
Respect for the individual?
Respect for women?
Respect for children?


How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways?

Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives?

moses wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 1:39pm:

Karnal wrote Quote: What about banning them? No need for that at all. By their fruits (unspeakable human rights atrocities on a monumental scale) muslims and their apologists are known. Truth and right will eventually win, muslims and their bootlicking apologists will bring themselves down (no matter how many lies and excuses they keep trotting out).

Must be a whole load of Christians shaking in their boots then...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways? Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives?

Why did you add the word "uniquely" into your question, Soren?

Brian answered your original question, why not just accept that as his answer?  Not only moving the goal post but changing the question, post ipso facto!  Naughty Soren!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways? Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Why did you add the word "uniquely" into your question, Soren? Brian answered your original question, why not just accept that as his answer?  Not only moving the goal post but changing the question, post ipso facto!  Naughty Soren!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

THese are not Muslim characteristics, these are civilities.  You do not need Islam to exhibit or practice any of them - so they are not Islamic traits.

My question was not answered, merely sidestepped in his customary idiotic way.

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways? Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Why did you add the word "uniquely" into your question, Soren? Brian answered your original question, why not just accept that as his answer?  Not only moving the goal post but changing the question, post ipso facto!  Naughty Soren!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D THese are not Muslim characteristics, these are civilities.  You do not need Islam to exhibit or practice any of them - so they are not Islamic traits. My question was not answered, merely sidestepped in his customary idiotic way.

I see an answer.  Why not accept it?  Too difficult?   ;D :D ;D :D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:59pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways? Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Why did you add the word "uniquely" into your question, Soren? Brian answered your original question, why not just accept that as his answer?  Not only moving the goal post but changing the question, post ipso facto!  Naughty Soren!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D THese are not Muslim characteristics, these are civilities.  You do not need Islam to exhibit or practice any of them - so they are not Islamic traits. My question was not answered, merely sidestepped in his customary idiotic way. I see an answer.  Why not accept it?  Too difficult?   ;D :D ;D :D :D ;D :D

No, it's not an answer, it's the avoidance of an answer.

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:04pm:

The 'vast majority' is more dangerous than the 'tiny minority'. How about that. “The better integrated, the higher the risk of radicalization. Author: Dr. Marion van San, Senior Researcher at RISBO, an independent research institute, active in the field of learning and society that is affiliated with the Faculty of Social Sciences at Erasmus University Rotterdam. Since 2009 she has conducted ethnographic studies of families of radicalizing youths. Since we know that many young people left Belgium, but also from other European countries, to join the armed conflict in Syria, a fierce debate has erupted. However, the debate as conducted in Belgium is permeated by a series of stereotypes, that are not consistent with what is known from international literature, and that block a proper analysis of the phenomenon. That young people from Europe who leave for Syria are victims of a society that does not accept them, and does not offer them sufficient opportunities – a proposition that Rik Coolsaet has supported in an earlier edition of this newspaper – is however not supported by empirical evidence. Not only in literature on Islamic extremism, but also on terrorism in general and terrorism of any kind, the conclusion is always the same: it does not always concern people with low socioeconomic status. Neither does it always concern the marginalized and the frustrated, or people with a psychiatric disorder. The Belgian families from which the young people have left, are not all from the lower classes, and the young people who left are not all unskilled and frustrated. For the discrimination they are suggested to be victims of, there has usually been little empirical evidence. http://10news.dk/?p=1134 Beware of the 'vast majority'.

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Yadda wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) #1 Respect for elders?          ISLAM - FAIL Respect for private property?          ISLAM - FAIL Respect for the individual?          ISLAM - FAIL Respect for women?          ISLAM - FAIL Respect for children?          ISLAM - FAIL

Yet all the evidence contradicts your Islamophobic viewpoint, Yadda.   ::)

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives?

Who suggested that, Soren, except yourself?   ::)


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Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways?

Who suggested that, Soren, except yourself?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Who suggested that, Soren, except yourself?   ::) Quote: Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways? Who suggested that, Soren, except yourself?   ::)

You can't say that you like these aspects of Islam when these are aspects of every culture and there is nothing Islamic about them.

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Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

You can't say that you like these aspects of Islam when these are aspects of every culture and there is nothing Islamic about them.

Why can't I, Soren?   You seem to be assuming that Islam doesn't emphasis these aspects of their religion?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 5:40pm: You can't say that you like these aspects of Islam when these are aspects of every culture and there is nothing Islamic about them. Why can't I, Soren?   You seem to be assuming that Islam doesn't emphasis these aspects of their religion?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Doesn't emphasis??

Yeah, Islam doesn't 'emphasis' these aspects.

It emphasises the inferiority of women, though.

It has f Vck all respect for the individual if he is not a Muslim of the correct doctrine.

Go on, yawn, ya stupid, fatuous bedwetting pr!ck.

Go on.

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 6:53pm: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 5:40pm: You can't say that you like these aspects of Islam when these are aspects of every culture and there is nothing Islamic about them. Why can't I, Soren?   You seem to be assuming that Islam doesn't emphasise these aspects of their religion?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D Doesn't emphasis?? Yeah, Islam doesn't 'emphasis' these aspects. It emphasises the inferiority of women, though. It has f Vck all respect for the individual if he is not a Muslim of the correct doctrine. Go on, yawn, ya stupid, fatuous bedwetting pr!ck. Go on.

Sorry, Soren,  your views are coloured by your Islamophobia.   ::)

Moderate Islam is a fiction created by Western Islamophiles and apologists. It is an interpretation of the fact that not all Muslim go off their heads at once. But they still harbour and support their martyr/murders and always qualify any nuanced condemnation of an atrocity committed in the name of Mohammed and the Koran.

Watch them after the next one and be honest with yourself. They have a studied piousness, but are in fact morally bankrupt.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:03am:

Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 6:53pm: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 5:40pm: You can't say that you like these aspects of Islam when these are aspects of every culture and there is nothing Islamic about them. Why can't I, Soren?   You seem to be assuming that Islam doesn't emphasise these aspects of their religion?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D Doesn't emphasis?? Yeah, Islam doesn't 'emphasis' these aspects. It emphasises the inferiority of women, though. It has f Vck all respect for the individual if he is not a Muslim of the correct doctrine. Go on, yawn, ya stupid, fatuous bedwetting pr!ck. Go on. Sorry, Soren,  your views are coloured by your Islamophobia.   ::)

That’ll show him.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:03am:

Islamophobia.   ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEcBzxoMB8

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6th, 2015 at 12:03am: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 6:53pm: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 5:40pm: You can't say that you like these aspects of Islam when these are aspects of every culture and there is nothing Islamic about them. Why can't I, Soren?   You seem to be assuming that Islam doesn't emphasise these aspects of their religion?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D Doesn't emphasis?? Yeah, Islam doesn't 'emphasis' these aspects. It emphasises the inferiority of women, though. It has f Vck all respect for the individual if he is not a Muslim of the correct doctrine. Go on, yawn, ya stupid, fatuous bedwetting pr!ck. Go on. Sorry, Soren,  your views are coloured by your Islamophobia.   ::) That’ll show him.

I thought so.   :)

"Two things are now destroying our great country; rampant socialism and Muslim immigration and those who favour socialism over democracy also favour Muslim immigration to assist in the destabilisation of our democracy.


"The true Muslim can never integrate into our society as Islam, or the religion of peace as they call it, demands that you have one allegiance and that that allegiance can only be to Islam.

The true Muslim believer can only strive for one thing and that is total world dominance by Islam for that is what is written in their Qu'ran or Holy book.


"Wishing to protect this country from people who do not have our democracy at heart and wish to dominate the planet with their way of life is not being racist. Using the racist tag against those who oppose Islamic migration to this country is just a methodology employed by the socialists to lure dumb uneducated dickheads to their cause.


"What really gets up my nose is the fact that the socialist nice people completely ignore so many historical facts in regard to Islam, most alarmingly the serious trouble large scale Islamic immigration has caused in many large European cities in Holland, Denmark, France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and England.


"One thing more for the dickheads... it's a pretty poor indictment on the "Muslim religion of peace", when cities like Sydney have to set up a specialist "Middle-Eastern Crime Squad" just to combat violent Middle-Eastern criminals, and I just wonder how many of those people waving racist placards on Saturday have ever been to places like Punchbowl and Lakemba to see what they're really like".

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Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 7:21pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 6:10pm: Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Are you cured of your Islamophobia?  YES/NO http://a1.s6img.com/cdn/0008/p/1646216_15607377_lz.jpg I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren?   ::) What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? Just a few, Soren, just a few...   ::) What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter. Please explain. Moving the goal posts again, Soren?  You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat...   ::) Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Respect for elders? Respect for private property? Respect for the individual? Respect for women? Respect for children? How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways? Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives? Why did you add the word "uniquely" into your question, Soren? Brian answered your original question, why not just accept that as his answer?  Not only moving the goal post but changing the question, post ipso facto!  Naughty Soren!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D THese are not Muslim characteristics, these are civilities.  You do not need Islam to exhibit or practice any of them - so they are not Islamic traits.

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?


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My question was not answered, merely sidestepped in his customary idiotic way.

Ah, so you're playing the "blame the answerer for answering the question you asked rather than answering the question you meant to ask," Card Soren?  How amusing!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

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|dev|null wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings.


So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

Soren wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:33am: Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren? Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings. So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them?  Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

Soren wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 6:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:33am: Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren? Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings. So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special. Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them?  Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

"Special emphasis"?  How special? What makes it special?
A load of Hot Air.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:31am: Soren wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 6:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:33am: Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren? Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings. So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special. Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them?  Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D "Special emphasis"?  How special? What makes it special? A load of Hot Air.

Really?  Have you spoken to many Muslims about this issue, personally Soren?  What were their names? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 1:21pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:31am: Soren wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 6:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:33am: Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren? Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings. So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special. Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them?  Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D "Special emphasis"?  How special? What makes it special? A load of Hot Air. Really?  Have you spoken to many Muslims about this issue, personally Soren?  What were their names? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Mohammad Shafia. 'Special respect' for wife, daughters.
Skaf brothers - 'special respect' for women and for cultural diversity.
"We have kidnappings, abductions, assaults, sexual offences. Anything that you can imagine could happen, does happen, in the name of honour," says Nazir Afzal, Crown Prosecutor for the north-west of England. "Special respect".
Hizb ul Tahrir Australia - “Honour killings are morally justified”.

And so on, ad nauseam.

What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic?

There are over a billion Muslims in the world ... if they were all as some on this thread would have us think they are, there would be bombs and be-headings everywhere. There just isn't evidence for a 'death cult'.

Reality proves very strongly that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and are just like the majority of us in their desire to simply go about their lives.

The problem is with fanatical loonies ... on ALL sides. A few hateful fanatics have shown their true colours in this thread, and they aren't Muslim.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic? There are over a billion Muslims in the world ... if they were all as some on this thread would have us think they are, there would be bombs and be-headings everywhere. There just isn't evidence for a 'death cult'. Reality proves very strongly that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and are just like the majority of us in their desire to simply go about their lives. The problem is with fanatical loonies ... on ALL sides. A few hateful fanatics have shown their true colours in this thread, and they aren't Muslim.

And what links the 'vast majority' and the 'tiny minority', what do they have in common?


(careful, trick question).


The discussions are always about the ideology of Islam and the degree of adherence by individuals to that ideology.

And there are no fanatical loonies on ALL sides - unless you mean all sides of Islam, shias, sunnis, alawites; wahabbis, talibs, salafis etc.

Re death cult - "We love death more than you love life" - who said that? ALL sides???

You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence.

This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully.

You are applying the actions, the interpretations and testimonials of the rabid few to the whole.

The same can be applied to any religion.  All religions have their extremists. Fundamentalist Christians and Zionist Jews are not representative of the main and both behave very badly indeed.

As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots.

I do suspect though that you have had this pointed out to you many times and are disinclined to consider it.

The rabid, violent ones are motivated by a purist view of Islam. The peaceful Muslims are afraid of them - as is everyone else - so they, the peaceful ones, are cowering or are saying things like violence has nothing to to with Islam.

This is a lie. Islam is not peaceful.  Most religions aren't but Islam is doctrinally violent, violent in its core teachings.  No use smudging this by saying that most Muslims are not crazy-lunatic.  A thorough and fearlessly critical attitude towards Islam - as towards any ideology - is necessary and Muslim violence should not be treated as a a sufficient argument against such a critical approach.

Muslims are now in every country so Islam's problems are everyone's problems.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots.

This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument.

It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

The rabid, violent ones are motivated by a purist view of Islam. The peaceful Muslims are afraid of them - as is everyone else - so they, the peaceful ones, are cowering or are saying things like violence has nothing to to with Islam. This is a lie. Islam is not peaceful.  Most religions aren't but Islam is doctrinally violent, violent in its core teachings.  No use smudging this by saying that most Muslims are not crazy-lunatic.  A thorough and fearlessly critical attitude towards Islam - as towards any ideology - is necessary and Muslim violence should not be treated as a a sufficient argument against such a critical approach. Muslims are now in every country so Islam's problems are everyone's problems.

What a load of bollocks. They are motivated by a twisted view of Islam ... just as the Westboro Baptist Church is motivated by a twisted version of the bible ... as Zionists are motivated by a twisted version of their own scriptures.

Twisted interpretations.

As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism.

Islam is not a problem. Islam has been in Australia since the 1800's, coexisting just fine... as it will continue to do. Raving, hateful loonies are a problem. On ALL sides.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology.

Did you thinjk that through?

How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity?

Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 2:33pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 1:21pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 11:31am: Soren wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 6:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:33am: Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren? Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings. So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special. Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them?  Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D "Special emphasis"?  How special? What makes it special? A load of Hot Air. Really?  Have you spoken to many Muslims about this issue, personally Soren?  What were their names? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D Mohammad Shafia. 'Special respect' for wife, daughters. Skaf brothers - 'special respect' for women and for cultural diversity. "We have kidnappings, abductions, assaults, sexual offences. Anything that you can imagine could happen, does happen, in the name of honour," says Nazir Afzal, Crown Prosecutor for the north-west of England. "Special respect". Hizb ul Tahrir Australia - “Honour killings are morally justified”. And so on, ad nauseam.

Yes, old boy, but you're forgetting Muslim drunks, ursurers, adulterers, blasphemers, apostates, and a host of other undesirables. Some are even uncircumcised, shave on Fridays and let their women get around like uncovered meat.

I blame Islam.

Hi mothra - please don't ever leave  :)

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification.

Now now, the old boy's new to our culture. He can't help the way he is.

Hiya Gandalf ... i'm going to have to pop out sometimes  ;D

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification. Now now, the old boy's new to our culture. He can't help the way he is.

He is? I would have had him pegged as  Cronulla rioter with a Southern Cross tattoo and a wife beater on.

Shows what i know.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification.

Islamic sharia law is nationwide or province-wide system of governance where a lot of our 'refugees' and immigrants come from: Iran, Afghanistan, Pakiland, Bangladesh, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification. Islamic sharia law is nationwide or province-wide system of governance where a lot of our 'refugees' and immigrants come from: Iran, Afghanistan, Pakiland, Bangladesh, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria.

Yes, and they are trying to get away.

Please, think?

But what does that have to do with comparing the Cronulla Riots to Stalinism? Or are you following your own unique bouncing ball?

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification. Islamic sharia law is nationwide or province-wide system of governance where a lot of our 'refugees' and immigrants come from: Iran, Afghanistan, Pakiland, Bangladesh, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria. Yes, and they are trying to get away. Please, think? But what does that have to do with comparing the Cronulla Riots to Stalinism? Or are you following your own unique bouncing ball?

Why ARE they trying to get away?? Why don't they change it?  They are supposed to be the 'vast majority'.

No longer?

Why is the 'vast majority' of Muslims always, ALWAYS running away and conceding the field to the 'tiny minority'??

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:10pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification. Now now, the old boy's new to our culture. He can't help the way he is. He is? I would have had him pegged as  Cronulla rioter with a Southern Cross tattoo and a wife beater on.

Good God, no. The old boy likes Danish. He doesn't get on too well with the Southern Cross crowd.

But give him a few stool-eating bin straighteners to moan to, and you won't be able to tell them apart. The old boy, you see, is an ardent believer in the doctrine of assimilation.

As long as he gets to assimilate with the 0.02% of the population he feels similar to.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism.

Utter, utter bollocks.

You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it.


No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney.


You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Islam has been in Australia since the 1800's, coexisting just fine... as it will continue to do. Raving, hateful loonies are a problem. On ALL sides.

But now that their number is growing, the problems begin.
Just like everywhere else.

Islam=Submission.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence. This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully.

And they are losing control everywhere -  Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, sorry, Semen,  Labia, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria.

The 'vast majority' is losing ground everywhere. Either because they are opportunistic cowards or because they are not really 'vast majority'.



Thanks for highlighting it.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic?

It's hard to tell them apart when they believe n the same thing.

One is a coward about his beliefs, the other is very motivated by them. Same beliefs.

.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:51pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:43pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots. This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument. It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology. Did you thinjk that through? How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity? Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification. Islamic sharia law is nationwide or province-wide system of governance where a lot of our 'refugees' and immigrants come from: Iran, Afghanistan, Pakiland, Bangladesh, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria. Yes, and they are trying to get away. Please, think? But what does that have to do with comparing the Cronulla Riots to Stalinism? Or are you following your own unique bouncing ball? Why ARE they trying to get away?? Why don't they change it?  They are supposed to be the 'vast majority'. No longer? Why is the 'vast majority' of Muslims always, ALWAYS running away and conceding the field to the 'tiny minority'??

I dunooooo ... Kalashnikovs maybe? Rocket launchers?

Seriously, can't you come up with any of these answers for yourself? They don't take a great deal of thought.

How are any oppressed masses oppressed?

And what of the Islamic countries NOT at war? They exist y'know. Grooving along perfectly happily.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored.

Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you?

Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily.

You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence. This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully. And they are losing control everywhere -  Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, sorry, Semen,  Labia, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria. The 'vast majority' is losing ground everywhere. Either because they are opportunistic cowards or because they are not really 'vast majority'. Thanks for highlighting it.

You have a very  tenuous grasp of foreign politics don't you.

Familiarise yourself with the interventions from the west in most of those countries then get back to me.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 5:34pm: What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic? It's hard to tell them apart when they believe n the same thing. One is a coward about his beliefs, the other is very motivated by them. Same beliefs. .

We've passed this rock Soren.

Fanatics TWIST the beliefs of Islam.

Do keep up.

And i'm not a Muslim ... but if it makes you feel better you can think i am if you like. I'm not offended.

Lambikins seemed to be very reliant on the idea that i was an old lesbian the other night because i disagreed with him on same sex marriage.

.... i sense a pattern.

Nobody has called me a race traitor yet. I'm a little disappointed.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out.

So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run.

Sure thing.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:26pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out. So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run. Sure thing.

Now you're getting it.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:10pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 5:34pm: What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic? It's hard to tell them apart when they believe n the same thing. One is a coward about his beliefs, the other is very motivated by them. Same beliefs. . We've passed this rock Soren. Fanatics TWIST the beliefs of Islam. Do keep up.

Wed did? When was that?  Who decides which view of Islam is twisted?
And why is this still a hot and murderous topic after 1400 years? WHEN will Islam settle on its own true meaning??

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:26pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out. So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run. Sure thing. Now you're getting it.

So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards???i

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:31pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:10pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 5:34pm: What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic? It's hard to tell them apart when they believe n the same thing. One is a coward about his beliefs, the other is very motivated by them. Same beliefs. . We've passed this rock Soren. Fanatics TWIST the beliefs of Islam. Do keep up. Wed did? When was that?  Who decides which view of Islam is twisted? And why is this still a hot and murderous topic after 1400 years? WHEN will Islam settle on its own true meaning??

Good grief Soren ... why are there still fanatical Christians? Jews? Why are there still fanatical ANYTHING?

Because loonies will be loonies that's why.

Remember though... that rock we passed where we established that of the 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world, most of them don't carry on like that?

If they did ... now concentrate, i don't want to have to tell you again ... then there would be bombings and be-headings all over the place. Now wouldn't there?

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:40pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:26pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out. So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run. Sure thing. Now you're getting it. So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards???

Why are oppressed people cowards Soren?

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:08pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence. This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully. And they are losing control everywhere -  Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, sorry, Semen,  Labia, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria. The 'vast majority' is losing ground everywhere. Either because they are opportunistic cowards or because they are not really 'vast majority'. Thanks for highlighting it. You have a very  tenuous grasp of foreign politics don't you. Familiarise yourself with the interventions from the west in most of those countries then get back to me.

I know. Colonialism ended far too soon.  It was like kicking 9 year old out of home, making them fend for themselves. Was bound to fail.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:29pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:08pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence. This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully. And they are losing control everywhere -  Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, sorry, Semen,  Labia, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria. The 'vast majority' is losing ground everywhere. Either because they are opportunistic cowards or because they are not really 'vast majority'. Thanks for highlighting it. You have a very  tenuous grasp of foreign politics don't you. Familiarise yourself with the interventions from the west in most of those countries then get back to me. I know. Colonialism ended far too soon.  It was like kicking 9 year old out of home, making them fend for themselves. Was bound to fail.

...... gobsmacked  :o

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:18pm: Why ARE they trying to get away?? Why don't they change it?  They are supposed to be the 'vast majority'. No longer? Why is the 'vast majority' of Muslims always, ALWAYS running away and conceding the field to the 'tiny minority'?? I dunooooo ... Kalashnikovs maybe? Rocket launchers? Seriously, can't you come up with any of these answers for yourself? They don't take a great deal of thought. How are any oppressed masses oppressed? And what of the Islamic countries NOT at war? They exist y'know. Grooving along perfectly happily.

Oh, I see - the fanatic 'tiny minority' of Islamists are doing it for themselves while the vast majority of peaceful Muslims either stand around helplessly and ineffectually or are running away, shouting 'it's got nuffin' to do wiv Islam or wiv us'.

And I am supposed to feel sorry for them? And sympathise with their cowardice?

Why are oppressed people cowards Soren?

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:41pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:40pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:26pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out. So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run. Sure thing. Now you're getting it. So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards??? Why are oppressed people cowards Soren?

Because they are supposedly the 'vast majority' (I don't believe that).

They are either not the 'vast majority' or if they are, they are utter squishy cowards.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:45pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:29pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:08pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:26pm: You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence. This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully. And they are losing control everywhere -  Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, sorry, Semen,  Labia, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria. The 'vast majority' is losing ground everywhere. Either because they are opportunistic cowards or because they are not really 'vast majority'. Thanks for highlighting it. You have a very  tenuous grasp of foreign politics don't you. Familiarise yourself with the interventions from the west in most of those countries then get back to me. I know. Colonialism ended far too soon.  It was like kicking 9 year old out of home, making them fend for themselves. Was bound to fail. ...... gobsmacked  :o

Well, you need to wake up to a lot of things, it seems.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:44pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:41pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:40pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:26pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out. So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run. Sure thing. Now you're getting it. So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards??? Why are oppressed people cowards Soren? Because they are supposedly the 'vast majority' (I don't believe that). They are either not the 'vast majority' or if they are, they are utter squishy cowards.

History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities.

You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish?

Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed.

The average sheep farmer is not.

But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:40pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:31pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:10pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 5:34pm: What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic? It's hard to tell them apart when they believe n the same thing. One is a coward about his beliefs, the other is very motivated by them. Same beliefs. . We've passed this rock Soren. Fanatics TWIST the beliefs of Islam. Do keep up. Wed did? When was that?  Who decides which view of Islam is twisted? And why is this still a hot and murderous topic after 1400 years? WHEN will Islam settle on its own true meaning?? Good grief Soren ... why are there still fanatical Christians? Jews? Why are there still fanatical ANYTHING? Because loonies will be loonies that's why. Remember though... that rock we passed where we established that of the 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world, most of them don't carry on like that? If they did ... now concentrate, i don't want to have to tell you again ... then there would be bombings and be-headings all over the place. Now wouldn't there?

And yet....
It's Muslims who are "bombings and be-headings all over the place", not Christians, not Jews, not atheists.

Nobody is beheaded on the streets of London by a Jew or a Christian, no Muslim newspapers are shot up by Jews or Christians in Paris, no Muslim writer or cartoonist has a Jewish or Christian extra-judicial death sentenced over his head in the West, no Muslim film maker is executed on the streets of Amsterdam,  No Jew or Christian blows himself up on a bus in London, no Jew or Christian blows up a bar in a Bali.


The relentless normalisation of Muslim violence in the name of Islam is sickening.

Stop it.

You really are following your own spastic, bouncing ball aren't you?

Do you even consider anything put to you? I'm just repeating myself here.

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"?

All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think.

See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities. You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish? Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse. Why is that so hard for you to understand? ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed. The average sheep farmer is not. But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims.

The governments of Afhanistan, Iran, Iraq, Labia, SYemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, etc are not sheep farmers.


Poles and Russians ad the French all had active resistance movements. Muslims don't.  There is no resistance movement against sharia in the West. There is endless kvetching about the 'press is victimising us' and endless, endless excuses about how none it has anything to do wiv Muslims.

And of course there is no end to the bleating about how the bad boys a re a tiny, tiny, unrepresentative miniscule minority and how upright and peacful and brave and 'vast majority' the rest are - but hey must be the most impotent and useless 'vast majority' ever.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:00pm: History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities. You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish? Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse. Why is that so hard for you to understand? ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed. The average sheep farmer is not. But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims. The governments of Afhanistan, Iran, Iraq, Labia, SYemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, etc are not sheep farmers. Poles and Russians ad the French all had active resistance movements. Muslims don't.  There is no resistance movement against sharia in the West. There is endless kvetching about the 'press is victimising us' and endless, endless excuses about how none it has anything to do wiv Muslims. And of course there is no end to the bleating about how the bad boys a re a tiny, tiny, unrepresentative miniscule minority and how upright and peacful and brave and 'vast majority' the rest are - but hey must be the most impotent and useless 'vast majority' ever.

I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing.

Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

The doctrines of the 'looney' faction is indistinguishable from the doctrines of the pious, practicing peaceful faction. There is no disagreement between them.
The former is just not as fatalistic and passive as the latter.

They both want sharia - the militants want it now, the 'moderates's want it in 20 years.

... and you do know that the government doesn't constitute the 'vast majority'. Come on. It's like you're not even trying.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:06pm: And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down. The doctrines of the 'looney' faction is indistinguishable from the doctrines of the pious, practicing peaceful faction. There is no disagreement between them. The former is just not as fatalistic and passive as the latter. They both want sharia - the militants want it now, the 'moderates's want it in 20 years.

You're raving.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

Read some Robert Fisk.

;D ;D ;D

If I wanted to be like you I would.  I read him in the 90s and early 2000s and I think he is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.



No thanks. You will have to continue to read him for the both of us. (you can also read Chomsky for me)

I'm quite confident your understanding of Sharia Law is on a par with Jacqui Lambie.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

'Looney fanatics' whose doctrines are impeccably Islamic.  You will not find any doctrinal fault with them.

They have all the fatwas to show for what they do.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:06pm: And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down. 'Looney fanatics' whose doctrines are impeccably Islamic.  You will not find any doctrinal fault with them. They have all the fatwas to show for what they do.

They violate the principle tenets of Islam.

Moderate Muslims keep telling us that. You just won't hear it on ACA or TT.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:44pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:41pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:40pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:26pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:01pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 6:54pm: As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism. Utter, utter bollocks. You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it. No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney. You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree.  Unmoored. Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you? Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily. You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out. So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run. Sure thing. Now you're getting it. So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards??? Why are oppressed people cowards Soren? Because they are supposedly the 'vast majority' (I don't believe that). They are either not the 'vast majority' or if they are, they are utter squishy cowards.

The old boy's not a coward. He only migrated because he likes Danish.

Miam miam.

To be fair, danishes are pretty great.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:22pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:20pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:06pm: And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down. 'Looney fanatics' whose doctrines are impeccably Islamic.  You will not find any doctrinal fault with them. They have all the fatwas to show for what they do. They violate the principle tenets of Islam. Moderate Muslims keep telling us that. You just won't hear it on ACA or TT.

The principle tenets of Islam require that its adherents spread it violently until total SUBMISSION is obtained.

Islam is Submission, not 'submissions if you feel like it, otherwise whatever's your bag, m'kay, man?''


If they are really such a tiny minority, it shouldn't be difficult to ACTUALLY stop them  - rather than endlessly saying, 'oh, they are a tiny minority but we cannot to anything about them because they scare us'.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:30pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:22pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:20pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:06pm: And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down. 'Looney fanatics' whose doctrines are impeccably Islamic.  You will not find any doctrinal fault with them. They have all the fatwas to show for what they do. They violate the principle tenets of Islam. Moderate Muslims keep telling us that. You just won't hear it on ACA or TT. The principle tenets of Islam require that its adherents spread it violently until total SUBMISSION is obtained. Islam is Submission, not 'submissions if you feel like it, otherwise whatever's your bag, m'kay, man?'' If they are really such a tiny minority, it shouldn't be difficult to ACTUALLY stop them  - rather than endlessly saying, 'oh, they are a tiny minority but we cannot to anything about them because they scare us'.

Wow. You're really, really wrong.

" If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it."

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:10pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:00pm: History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities. You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish? Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse. Why is that so hard for you to understand? ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed. The average sheep farmer is not. But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims. The governments of Afhanistan, Iran, Iraq, Labia, SYemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, etc are not sheep farmers. Poles and Russians ad the French all had active resistance movements. Muslims don't.  There is no resistance movement against sharia in the West. There is endless kvetching about the 'press is victimising us' and endless, endless excuses about how none it has anything to do wiv Muslims. And of course there is no end to the bleating about how the bad boys a re a tiny, tiny, unrepresentative miniscule minority and how upright and peacful and brave and 'vast majority' the rest are - but hey must be the most impotent and useless 'vast majority' ever. I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing. Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education.

That's not fair, Mothra. The old boy prefers to read writers who've never been to any Muslim countries or met any Muslim people. A Roger Scrotum video is better still.

The old boy doesn't know much about art, but he knows what he likes.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing. Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education.

Mark Twain said that a sure sign of a good library is if it has no Jane Austen in it. I don't agree with that, at all.

But I will say that a good education in ME politics is marked by the complete absence of anything by Robert Fisk. Not reading Fisk is a requirement for mental clarity like not reading Edward Said after Orientalism.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

To be fair, danishes are pretty great.

Not Danishes; Danish.

The old boy came to Australia to immerse himself in Danish culture.

You people need to assimilate.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:14pm: I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing. Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education. Mark Twain said that a sure sign of a good library is if it has no Jane Austen in it. I don't agree with that, at all. But I will say that a good education in ME politics is marked by the complete absence of anything by Robert Fisk. Not reading Fisk is a requirement for mental clarity like not reading Edward Said after Orientalism.

Yes, i have noticed you have an aversion to educated points of view.

How could reading perhaps the most important and well seasoned Middle East correspondent offer you any ideas?

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:14pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:10pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:00pm: History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities. You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish? Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse. Why is that so hard for you to understand? ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed. The average sheep farmer is not. But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims. The governments of Afhanistan, Iran, Iraq, Labia, SYemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, etc are not sheep farmers. Poles and Russians ad the French all had active resistance movements. Muslims don't.  There is no resistance movement against sharia in the West. There is endless kvetching about the 'press is victimising us' and endless, endless excuses about how none it has anything to do wiv Muslims. And of course there is no end to the bleating about how the bad boys a re a tiny, tiny, unrepresentative miniscule minority and how upright and peacful and brave and 'vast majority' the rest are - but hey must be the most impotent and useless 'vast majority' ever. I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing. Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education. That's not fair, Mothra. The old boy prefers to read writers who've never been to any Muslim countries or met any Muslim people. A Roger Scrotum video is better still. The old boy doesn't know much about art, but he knows what he likes.

Try to ignore this, PB:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/07/among-the-believers/304789/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Among_the_Believers

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:38pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:28pm: To be fair, danishes are pretty great. Not Danishes; Danish. The old boy came to Australia to immerse himself in Danish culture. You people need to assimilate.

Aren't danishes Danish?

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:14pm: I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing. Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education. Mark Twain said that a sure sign of a good library is if it has no Jane Austen in it. I don't agree with that, at all. But I will say that a good education in ME politics is marked by the complete absence of anything by Robert Fisk. Not reading Fisk is a requirement for mental clarity like not reading Edward Said after Orientalism.

Why No Fisk, Soren?  Are you frightened of hearing an alternative viewpoint?   ::)

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Wow. You're really, really wrong. " If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it."

Well, an awaful; lot of Muslim don't seem to know that.

It is now time for you to direct all your energies to correcting their behaviour.

Don't worry about me, your work Among the Believers is cut out for you. Go on, make yourself useful.  The time for arguing with infidels like me is over.

Thanks, old boy. I always take you up on your recommendations on what not to read.

We'll organise the bonfire when it gets colder, no?

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:43pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:32pm: Wow. You're really, really wrong. " If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it." Well, an awaful; lot of Muslim don't seem to know that. It is now time for you to direct all your energies to correcting their behaviour. Don't worry about me, your work Among the Believers is cut out for you. Go on, make yourself useful.  The time for arguing with infidels like me is over.

Oh lookie ... the rock again.

Most Muslims DO know this Soren. Unfortunately, the loonies have the Kalashnikovs.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:28pm: To be fair, danishes are pretty great. Not Danishes; Danish. The old boy came to Australia to immerse himself in Danish culture. You people need to assimilate. Aren't danishes Danish?

You'll have to ask the old dear. It could be a matter of personal taste, but I believe he prefers stollen.

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:28pm: To be fair, danishes are pretty great. Not Danishes; Danish. The old boy came to Australia to immerse himself in Danish culture. You people need to assimilate. Aren't danishes Danish? You'll have to ask the old dear. It could be a matter of personal taste, but I believe he prefers stollen.

He seems very agitated. He could probably use a danish.

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:28pm: To be fair, danishes are pretty great. Not Danishes; Danish. The old boy came to Australia to immerse himself in Danish culture. You people need to assimilate. Aren't danishes Danish? You'll have to ask the old dear. It could be a matter of personal taste, but I believe he prefers stollen.

I like Danish things. For a Paki Bvgger like you that's cause for sniggering because for you everything is loaded with homosexual possibility.
I am half Danish but you will sneer at me as a German, ya stupid pillock.

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:47pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:40pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:38pm: mothra wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:28pm: To be fair, danishes are pretty great. Not Danishes; Danish. The old boy came to Australia to immerse himself in Danish culture. You people need to assimilate. Aren't danishes Danish? You'll have to ask the old dear. It could be a matter of personal taste, but I believe he prefers stollen. I like Danish things. For a Paki Bvgger like you that's cause for sniggering because for you everything is loaded with homosexual possibility. I am half Danish but you will sneer at me as a German, ya stupid pillock.

Are danishes Danish Soren?