'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment.  Interesting choice of words.

"Empowering" is a nothing word women use.  It's not uncommon for porn stars to say getting roughly buggered on camera is "empowering".

... wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

"Empowering" is a nothing word women use.  It's not uncommon for porn stars to say getting roughly buggered on camera is "empowering".

An interesting comment.  Care to provide a link to such a quote?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

... wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:53pm: "Empowering" is a nothing word women use.  It's not uncommon for porn stars to say getting roughly buggered on camera is "empowering". An interesting comment.  Care to provide a link to such a quote?   ::)

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/10/rough_sex_can_be_empowering_for_women_too_partner/

It's only an article, but enjoy anyway.

Its basically part of the job description for female porn actors to constantly repeat the mantra that their performances are "empowering" for them (or something equivalent).

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Its basically part of the job description for female porn actors to constantly repeat the mantra that their performances are "empowering" for them (or something equivalent).

And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim.

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim.

And what about women who become muslim in the belief that women are not considered worth half a man in Islam?

The claim comes from a verse in the Quran regarding the witnessing of financial contracts. It states that it must be witnessed either by a man or two women. Yet nowhere does it state that the reason for this is that women are worth half a man. The stated reason is that both women can back the other up in the event of a dispute. This is easily understandable in the context of the mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in - in such a society such a woman could easily be the target of opportunists seeking to intimidate her or  discredit her in order to change or annul the contract. The second female witness acts as an insurance against this.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:08pm: And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim. And what about women who become muslim in the belief that women are not considered worth half a man in Islam? The claim comes from a verse in the Quran regarding the witnessing of financial contracts. It states that it must be witnessed either by a man or two women. Yet nowhere does it state that the reason for this is that women are worth half a man. The stated reason is that both women can back the other up in the event of a dispute. This is easily understandable in the context of the mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in - in such a society such a woman could easily be the target of opportunists seeking to intimidate her or  discredit her in order to change or annul the contract. The second female witness acts as an insurance against this.

There is no evidence that Muslims have left the "mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in" behind and have moved on to something different.

There is no 'updated' sharia. Islam, is what Islam is. there is no development from Mohammed. It is impossible for Islam to move on from Mohammed. Reformation is the death of Islam.

You haven't answered the question S.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 5:08pm: And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim. And what about women who become muslim in the belief that women are not considered worth half a man in Islam? The claim comes from a verse in the Quran regarding the witnessing of financial contracts. It states that it must be witnessed either by a man or two women. Yet nowhere does it state that the reason for this is that women are worth half a man. The stated reason is that both women can back the other up in the event of a dispute. This is easily understandable in the context of the mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in - in such a society such a woman could easily be the target of opportunists seeking to intimidate her or  discredit her in order to change or annul the contract. The second female witness acts as an insurance against this.

The old boy knows all this. In fact, he used to use his women-worth-half-a-man line in this context only. He's extended it to the whole notion of Islamic gender.

The old boy, you see, believes in truth, freeeeedom, and the Old Boy way.

Taqiyya, innit.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

You haven't answered the question S.

He doesn't need to. The old boy has simply regurgitated always, absolutely, never ever.

The old boy has the self-consciousness of a gravestone.

So men and women are equal, as human beings,  in Islam, then?


Why don't you two go off somewhere private where you can commune with your idiocy?


How about that?



Women are worth half of what men are worth in Islamic law - in testimony, inheritance, in practice.

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Why don't you two go off somewhere private where you can commune with your idiocy?

Good heavens, dear boy. Why would anyone do that when they have you?

So empowering she's decided to wear it all the time. Note the main picture.

Council backs social experiment encouraging women to wear hijabs

UPDATE: The mayor of Dandenong council has defended a social experiment encouraging non-Muslim women to wear hijabs for youth week celebrations.
"This has come about by a couple of women from Minaret College, they found that when they were the hijab they got a lot of questions about when they wear it, where they wear it," Cr Sean O'Reilly said.
"They thought it might be a good activity as part of council's youth week activities to offer to women who want to, to try wearing a hijab for as long as they wish to and then see what reaction they got.
"We got quite a good uptake of very positive people that were interested in another culture."
http://m.theage.com.au/news/council-backs-social-experiment-encouraging-women-to-wear-hijabs-20150410-1mi3w7.html?skin=dumb-phone

Next: Women of Australia, why not try not driving for three hours, or not leaving your house without a male companion?  How about walking behind your man for three hours?


Rich tapestry, innit.


How about this: niqabis and hijabies - why not take of your gear for three hours and see how the majority of women around you live?
(a very, very insensitive suggestion, I know).

Of course getting around in public covered up head to toe and looking stupid is going to turn heads. It's weird.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

Of course getting around in public covered up head to toe and looking stupid is going to turn heads. It's weird.

When I see them I don't know where to look. It's like passing someone with an obvious disability.

personal attack removed

response to personal attack removed

Young Australians are joining terror groups because their "blood is boiling" at domestic persecution and international atrocities committed by the West, a local Muslim leader has warned.

Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association, told a university forum that his comments may be "dangerous" and "politically incorrect" but they were crucial to understanding why more than 200 Australians have taken up arms in Syria and Iraq.

In a scathing assessment of Australia's efforts to create a harmonious society, he said constant persecution, hypocritical Australian laws, vitriolic media and repeated invasions in the Middle East were pushing young Muslims "to the margins of society" and driving them to radicalisation.
...
Mr Trad said Australian Muslims were confronted with "systemic discrimination", opportunistic political commentary, unemployment and "duplicitous standards" in law enforcement.

"It is hard to argue with a young person who starts to cite all these issues, you can see the fire in their bellies, you in fact feel the same fire yourself," he said.

"All the above factors compound to different extents the sense of victimisation and alienation amongst youths in general and Muslim youths in particular."

In contrast, IS propaganda tells young people: "Join us and you will belong, you will not be discriminated against, you can go wild, let loose your facial hair and you become the law." he said.

Lydia Shelly, a lawyer and Muslim community member, said there was a poor understanding of radicalisation in Australia.

Her comments were echoed by Dr Jan Ali, a lecturer in Islam and Modernity at UWS, who told the forum that deradicalisation programs were pointless without a proper understanding of the phenomenon itself.

He said the federal government's efforts to fund community-led programs wouldn't solve the problem.

"There are some Muslims who are on the path of radicalisation who are from a middle class, well-to-do family," he said. "They don't need hand-outs."
http://www.smh.com.au/national/persecution-pushing-young-australian-muslims-to-the-margins-of-society-says-leader-20150409-1mhhj5.html


Muslims are now constantly persecuted in Australia, don't you know.  Then there is the vitriolic media (who does he mean? SMH? ABC? Who??)

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Young Australians are joining terror groups because their "blood is boiling" at domestic persecution and international atrocities committed by the West, a local Muslim leader has warned. Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association, told a university forum that his comments may be "dangerous" and "politically incorrect" but they were crucial to understanding why more than 200 Australians have taken up arms in Syria and Iraq. In a scathing assessment of Australia's efforts to create a harmonious society, he said constant persecution, hypocritical Australian laws, vitriolic media and repeated invasions in the Middle East were pushing young Muslims "to the margins of society" and driving them to radicalisation. ... Mr Trad said Australian Muslims were confronted with "systemic discrimination", opportunistic political commentary, unemployment and "duplicitous standards" in law enforcement. "It is hard to argue with a young person who starts to cite all these issues, you can see the fire in their bellies, you in fact feel the same fire yourself," he said. "All the above factors compound to different extents the sense of victimisation and alienation amongst youths in general and Muslim youths in particular." In contrast, IS propaganda tells young people: "Join us and you will belong, you will not be discriminated against, you can go wild, let loose your facial hair and you become the law." he said. Lydia Shelly, a lawyer and Muslim community member, said there was a poor understanding of radicalisation in Australia. Her comments were echoed by Dr Jan Ali, a lecturer in Islam and Modernity at UWS, who told the forum that deradicalisation programs were pointless without a proper understanding of the phenomenon itself. He said the federal government's efforts to fund community-led programs wouldn't solve the problem. "There are some Muslims who are on the path of radicalisation who are from a middle class, well-to-do family," he said. "They don't need hand-outs." http://www.smh.com.au/national/persecution-pushing-young-australian-muslims-to-the-margins-of-society-says-leader-20150409-1mhhj5.html Muslims are now constantly persecuted in Australia, don't you know.  Then there is the vitriolic media (who does he mean? SMH? ABC? Who??)

I think he means most of the MSM, Soren.  So, is it his language (which is correct BTW) or the mere fact he's pointing out something you agree with that is upsetting you?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment.  Interesting choice of words.

I think it's stupid,what do you expect from apologists

Meanwhile women in Iran are taking photos and videos of themselves in public not wearing the mandatory hijab.

Try searching google for Iran women remove hijab bwian. ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:18pm: Young Australians are joining terror groups because their "blood is boiling" at domestic persecution and international atrocities committed by the West, a local Muslim leader has warned. Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association, told a university forum that his comments may be "dangerous" and "politically incorrect" but they were crucial to understanding why more than 200 Australians have taken up arms in Syria and Iraq. In a scathing assessment of Australia's efforts to create a harmonious society, he said constant persecution, hypocritical Australian laws, vitriolic media and repeated invasions in the Middle East were pushing young Muslims "to the margins of society" and driving them to radicalisation. ... Mr Trad said Australian Muslims were confronted with "systemic discrimination", opportunistic political commentary, unemployment and "duplicitous standards" in law enforcement. "It is hard to argue with a young person who starts to cite all these issues, you can see the fire in their bellies, you in fact feel the same fire yourself," he said. "All the above factors compound to different extents the sense of victimisation and alienation amongst youths in general and Muslim youths in particular." In contrast, IS propaganda tells young people: "Join us and you will belong, you will not be discriminated against, you can go wild, let loose your facial hair and you become the law." he said. Lydia Shelly, a lawyer and Muslim community member, said there was a poor understanding of radicalisation in Australia. Her comments were echoed by Dr Jan Ali, a lecturer in Islam and Modernity at UWS, who told the forum that deradicalisation programs were pointless without a proper understanding of the phenomenon itself. He said the federal government's efforts to fund community-led programs wouldn't solve the problem. "There are some Muslims who are on the path of radicalisation who are from a middle class, well-to-do family," he said. "They don't need hand-outs." http://www.smh.com.au/national/persecution-pushing-young-australian-muslims-to-the-margins-of-society-says-leader-20150409-1mhhj5.html Muslims are now constantly persecuted in Australia, don't you know.  Then there is the vitriolic media (who does he mean? SMH? ABC? Who??) I think he means most of the MSM, Soren.  So, is it his language (which is correct BTW) or the mere fact he's pointing out something you agree with that is upsetting you?   ::)

You can't even laugh at Koran readings in a church.  And isn't Fairfax and the ABC MSM??

I would be grateful if you could show me a single instance of ''vitriolic' MSM, let alone a solid pattern. For Muslims, any criticism, any sign of unwillingness to submit is 'vitriolic'.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Its basically part of the job description for female porn actors to constantly repeat the mantra that their performances are "empowering" for them (or something equivalent).

Pretty much the same for mussie women and their oppression, wouldn't you say?

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:57pm: Soren wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:18pm: Young Australians are joining terror groups because their "blood is boiling" at domestic persecution and international atrocities committed by the West, a local Muslim leader has warned. Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association, told a university forum that his comments may be "dangerous" and "politically incorrect" but they were crucial to understanding why more than 200 Australians have taken up arms in Syria and Iraq. In a scathing assessment of Australia's efforts to create a harmonious society, he said constant persecution, hypocritical Australian laws, vitriolic media and repeated invasions in the Middle East were pushing young Muslims "to the margins of society" and driving them to radicalisation. ... Mr Trad said Australian Muslims were confronted with "systemic discrimination", opportunistic political commentary, unemployment and "duplicitous standards" in law enforcement. "It is hard to argue with a young person who starts to cite all these issues, you can see the fire in their bellies, you in fact feel the same fire yourself," he said. "All the above factors compound to different extents the sense of victimisation and alienation amongst youths in general and Muslim youths in particular." In contrast, IS propaganda tells young people: "Join us and you will belong, you will not be discriminated against, you can go wild, let loose your facial hair and you become the law." he said. Lydia Shelly, a lawyer and Muslim community member, said there was a poor understanding of radicalisation in Australia. Her comments were echoed by Dr Jan Ali, a lecturer in Islam and Modernity at UWS, who told the forum that deradicalisation programs were pointless without a proper understanding of the phenomenon itself. He said the federal government's efforts to fund community-led programs wouldn't solve the problem. "There are some Muslims who are on the path of radicalisation who are from a middle class, well-to-do family," he said. "They don't need hand-outs." http://www.smh.com.au/national/persecution-pushing-young-australian-muslims-to-the-margins-of-society-says-leader-20150409-1mhhj5.html Muslims are now constantly persecuted in Australia, don't you know.  Then there is the vitriolic media (who does he mean? SMH? ABC? Who??) I think he means most of the MSM, Soren.  So, is it his language (which is correct BTW) or the mere fact he's pointing out something you agree with that is upsetting you?   ::) You can't even laugh at Koran readings in a church.  And isn't Fairfax and the ABC MSM?? I would be grateful if you could show me a single instance of ''vitriolic' MSM, let alone a solid pattern. For Muslims, any criticism, any sign of unwillingness to submit is 'vitriolic'.

Soren, is Alan Jones part of the MSM?    ::)

lol.  One man vs every media outlet, and I wouldn't even know if he is "anti-muslim" nor would 90% of people under age 65.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:31pm: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment.  Interesting choice of words. I think it's stupid,what do you expect from apologists Meanwhile women in Iran are taking photos and videos of themselves in public not wearing the mandatory hijab. Try searching google for Iran women remove hijab bwian. ::)

I had a look Baron.  Interesting how all the photos are of young, virile, women.  None are older or younger.  I wonder why the Western media would filter them that way?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

... wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

lol.  One man vs every media outlet, and I wouldn't even know if he is "anti-muslim" nor would 90% of people under age 65.

Considering that Alan Jones stoked the fires of the Cronulla Riot, I think he's listened to quite a few Sydneysiders under 65.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio.

|dev|null wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:31pm: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment.  Interesting choice of words. I think it's stupid,what do you expect from apologists Meanwhile women in Iran are taking photos and videos of themselves in public not wearing the mandatory hijab. Try searching google for Iran women remove hijab bwian. ::) I had a look Baron.  Interesting how all the photos are of young, virile, women.  None are older or younger.  I wonder why the Western media would filter them that way?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

The hijab is supposed to cover the hair,do Iranian women show hair from under the hijab to protest this stupid religious law which you and brian support?

What are your thoughts on the Iranian morality police hb?
theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/jun/19/iran-morality-police-patrol

... wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio.

Seems the Islamophobes do...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


Quote:

Cronulla riots In December 2005, in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots, Jones used his breakfast radio program to read out and discuss a widely circulated text message that called on people to "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge... get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day". Media commentator David Marr accused Jones of inciting racial tensions and implicitly encouraging violence and vigilantism by the manner of his responses to callers even while he was verbally disapproving of them taking the law into their own hands.[70] On 10 April 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that the broadcaster 2GB and Jones had broadcast material (specifically comments made by Jones between 5–9 December 2005) that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity.[71][72][73] During his on-air rebuttal of the ACMA findings on 10 April 2007, Jones stated that by referring to his show as "Breakfast with Alan Jones", the ACMA had little credibility as his show was actually known as "The Alan Jones Show". However, the 2GB website prior to this broadcast clearly showed the Jones program as being "Breakfast with Alan Jones",[74] this was changed after the broadcast of Jones' rebuttal to be "Alan Jones Show".[75] David Flint again defended Jones by appearing on Jones' morning show "to support his friend and to condemn the process that found him guilty. He told 2GB listeners that the vigilante movement existed at Cronulla long before Jones began broadcasting and that the ACMA findings amounted to a classic case of shoot the messenger. He said the complaints process was flawed because, unlike the Press Council, Jones could not face or question his accusers".[76] The NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal upheld a complaint of racial vilification against Jones and 2GB on 21 December 2009.[77][78] The tribunal said:     His comments about "Lebanese males in their vast numbers" hating Australia and raping, pillaging and plundering the country, about a "national security" crisis, and about the undermining of Australian culture by "vermin" were reckless hyperbole calculated to agitate and excite his audience without providing them with much in the way of solid information. Jones appealed the decision, but in October 2012 the NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal dismissed his appeal, and upheld his conviction for inciting hatred and for vilification of Muslims.[79] Jones apologised on-air for his remarks on 6 December 2012. However, on 12 December the Tribunal ruled that this apology was "an inadequate statement of wrongdoing" and ordered him to make another on-air apology during the week of 17 December, this time prescribing the words he was to read:     [quote]On 28 April 2005, on my breakfast program on Radio 2GB, I broadcast comments about Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. The comments were made following a Channel Nine television current affairs show about the conduct of young Lebanese men in Hickson Road at The Rocks. The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has found that my comments incited serious contempt of Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. Those comments were in breach of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Act. I apologise for making those comments, which I recognise were unlawful. I also apologise on behalf of Radio 2GB.

[/quote]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Other_cases]

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 6:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:57pm: Soren wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:18pm: Young Australians are joining terror groups because their "blood is boiling" at domestic persecution and international atrocities committed by the West, a local Muslim leader has warned. Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association, told a university forum that his comments may be "dangerous" and "politically incorrect" but they were crucial to understanding why more than 200 Australians have taken up arms in Syria and Iraq. In a scathing assessment of Australia's efforts to create a harmonious society, he said constant persecution, hypocritical Australian laws, vitriolic media and repeated invasions in the Middle East were pushing young Muslims "to the margins of society" and driving them to radicalisation. ... Mr Trad said Australian Muslims were confronted with "systemic discrimination", opportunistic political commentary, unemployment and "duplicitous standards" in law enforcement. "It is hard to argue with a young person who starts to cite all these issues, you can see the fire in their bellies, you in fact feel the same fire yourself," he said. "All the above factors compound to different extents the sense of victimisation and alienation amongst youths in general and Muslim youths in particular." In contrast, IS propaganda tells young people: "Join us and you will belong, you will not be discriminated against, you can go wild, let loose your facial hair and you become the law." he said. Lydia Shelly, a lawyer and Muslim community member, said there was a poor understanding of radicalisation in Australia. Her comments were echoed by Dr Jan Ali, a lecturer in Islam and Modernity at UWS, who told the forum that deradicalisation programs were pointless without a proper understanding of the phenomenon itself. He said the federal government's efforts to fund community-led programs wouldn't solve the problem. "There are some Muslims who are on the path of radicalisation who are from a middle class, well-to-do family," he said. "They don't need hand-outs." http://www.smh.com.au/national/persecution-pushing-young-australian-muslims-to-the-margins-of-society-says-leader-20150409-1mhhj5.html Muslims are now constantly persecuted in Australia, don't you know.  Then there is the vitriolic media (who does he mean? SMH? ABC? Who??) I think he means most of the MSM, Soren.  So, is it his language (which is correct BTW) or the mere fact he's pointing out something you agree with that is upsetting you?   ::) You can't even laugh at Koran readings in a church.  And isn't Fairfax and the ABC MSM?? I would be grateful if you could show me a single instance of ''vitriolic' MSM, let alone a solid pattern. For Muslims, any criticism, any sign of unwillingness to submit is 'vitriolic'. Soren, is Alan Jones part of the MSM?    ::)

No.

Soren wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 7:03pm: Soren wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 6:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:57pm: Soren wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 2:18pm: Young Australians are joining terror groups because their "blood is boiling" at domestic persecution and international atrocities committed by the West, a local Muslim leader has warned. Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association, told a university forum that his comments may be "dangerous" and "politically incorrect" but they were crucial to understanding why more than 200 Australians have taken up arms in Syria and Iraq. In a scathing assessment of Australia's efforts to create a harmonious society, he said constant persecution, hypocritical Australian laws, vitriolic media and repeated invasions in the Middle East were pushing young Muslims "to the margins of society" and driving them to radicalisation. ... Mr Trad said Australian Muslims were confronted with "systemic discrimination", opportunistic political commentary, unemployment and "duplicitous standards" in law enforcement. "It is hard to argue with a young person who starts to cite all these issues, you can see the fire in their bellies, you in fact feel the same fire yourself," he said. "All the above factors compound to different extents the sense of victimisation and alienation amongst youths in general and Muslim youths in particular." In contrast, IS propaganda tells young people: "Join us and you will belong, you will not be discriminated against, you can go wild, let loose your facial hair and you become the law." he said. Lydia Shelly, a lawyer and Muslim community member, said there was a poor understanding of radicalisation in Australia. Her comments were echoed by Dr Jan Ali, a lecturer in Islam and Modernity at UWS, who told the forum that deradicalisation programs were pointless without a proper understanding of the phenomenon itself. He said the federal government's efforts to fund community-led programs wouldn't solve the problem. "There are some Muslims who are on the path of radicalisation who are from a middle class, well-to-do family," he said. "They don't need hand-outs." http://www.smh.com.au/national/persecution-pushing-young-australian-muslims-to-the-margins-of-society-says-leader-20150409-1mhhj5.html Muslims are now constantly persecuted in Australia, don't you know.  Then there is the vitriolic media (who does he mean? SMH? ABC? Who??) I think he means most of the MSM, Soren.  So, is it his language (which is correct BTW) or the mere fact he's pointing out something you agree with that is upsetting you?   ::) You can't even laugh at Koran readings in a church.  And isn't Fairfax and the ABC MSM?? I would be grateful if you could show me a single instance of ''vitriolic' MSM, let alone a solid pattern. For Muslims, any criticism, any sign of unwillingness to submit is 'vitriolic'. Soren, is Alan Jones part of the MSM?    ::) No.

How, convenient...   ::)

|dev|null wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:30pm: I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. Seems the Islamophobes do...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Quote: Cronulla riots In December 2005, in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots, Jones used his breakfast radio program to read out and discuss a widely circulated text message that called on people to "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge... get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day". Media commentator David Marr accused Jones of inciting racial tensions and implicitly encouraging violence and vigilantism by the manner of his responses to callers even while he was verbally disapproving of them taking the law into their own hands.[70] On 10 April 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that the broadcaster 2GB and Jones had broadcast material (specifically comments made by Jones between 5–9 December 2005) that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity.[71][72][73] During his on-air rebuttal of the ACMA findings on 10 April 2007, Jones stated that by referring to his show as "Breakfast with Alan Jones", the ACMA had little credibility as his show was actually known as "The Alan Jones Show". However, the 2GB website prior to this broadcast clearly showed the Jones program as being "Breakfast with Alan Jones",[74] this was changed after the broadcast of Jones' rebuttal to be "Alan Jones Show".[75] David Flint again defended Jones by appearing on Jones' morning show "to support his friend and to condemn the process that found him guilty. He told 2GB listeners that and that the the vigilante movement existed at Cronulla long before Jones began broadcastingACMA findings amounted to a classic case of shoot the messenger. He said the complaints process was flawed because, unlike the Press Council, Jones could not face or question his accusers".[76] The NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal upheld a complaint of racial vilification against Jones and 2GB on 21 December 2009.[77][78] The tribunal said:     His comments about "Lebanese males in their vast numbers" hating Australia and raping, pillaging and plundering the country, about a "national security" crisis, and about the undermining of Australian culture by "vermin" were reckless hyperbole calculated to agitate and excite his audience without providing them with much in the way of solid information. Jones appealed the decision, but in October 2012 the NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal dismissed his appeal, and upheld his conviction for inciting hatred and for vilification of Muslims.[79] Jones apologised on-air for his remarks on 6 December 2012. However, on 12 December the Tribunal ruled that this apology was "an inadequate statement of wrongdoing" and ordered him to make another on-air apology during the week of 17 December, this time prescribing the words he was to read:     [quote]On 28 April 2005, on my breakfast program on Radio 2GB, I broadcast comments about Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. The comments were made following a Channel Nine television current affairs show about the conduct of young Lebanese men in Hickson Road at The Rocks. The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has found that my comments incited serious contempt of Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. Those comments were in breach of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Act. I apologise for making those comments, which I recognise were unlawful. I also apologise on behalf of Radio 2GB.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Other_cases][/quote]

As I said, people of working age just don't listen to talkback radio.

... wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:33pm: ... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:30pm: I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. Seems the Islamophobes do...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Quote: Cronulla riots In December 2005, in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots, Jones used his breakfast radio program to read out and discuss a widely circulated text message that called on people to "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge... get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day". Media commentator David Marr accused Jones of inciting racial tensions and implicitly encouraging violence and vigilantism by the manner of his responses to callers even while he was verbally disapproving of them taking the law into their own hands.[70] On 10 April 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that the broadcaster 2GB and Jones had broadcast material (specifically comments made by Jones between 5–9 December 2005) that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity.[71][72][73] During his on-air rebuttal of the ACMA findings on 10 April 2007, Jones stated that by referring to his show as "Breakfast with Alan Jones", the ACMA had little credibility as his show was actually known as "The Alan Jones Show". However, the 2GB website prior to this broadcast clearly showed the Jones program as being "Breakfast with Alan Jones",[74] this was changed after the broadcast of Jones' rebuttal to be "Alan Jones Show".[75] David Flint again defended Jones by appearing on Jones' morning show "to support his friend and to condemn the process that found him guilty. He told 2GB listeners that and that the the vigilante movement existed at Cronulla long before Jones began broadcastingACMA findings amounted to a classic case of shoot the messenger. He said the complaints process was flawed because, unlike the Press Council, Jones could not face or question his accusers".[76] The NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal upheld a complaint of racial vilification against Jones and 2GB on 21 December 2009.[77][78] The tribunal said:     His comments about "Lebanese males in their vast numbers" hating Australia and raping, pillaging and plundering the country, about a "national security" crisis, and about the undermining of Australian culture by "vermin" were reckless hyperbole calculated to agitate and excite his audience without providing them with much in the way of solid information. Jones appealed the decision, but in October 2012 the NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal dismissed his appeal, and upheld his conviction for inciting hatred and for vilification of Muslims.[79] Jones apologised on-air for his remarks on 6 December 2012. However, on 12 December the Tribunal ruled that this apology was "an inadequate statement of wrongdoing" and ordered him to make another on-air apology during the week of 17 December, this time prescribing the words he was to read:     [quote]On 28 April 2005, on my breakfast program on Radio 2GB, I broadcast comments about Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. The comments were made following a Channel Nine television current affairs show about the conduct of young Lebanese men in Hickson Road at The Rocks. The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has found that my comments incited serious contempt of Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. Those comments were in breach of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Act. I apologise for making those comments, which I recognise were unlawful. I also apologise on behalf of Radio 2GB. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Other_cases]

As I said, people of working age just don't listen to talkback radio.[/quote]


And your evidence of that claim is?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 11:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:33pm: ... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:30pm: I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. Seems the Islamophobes do...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Quote: Cronulla riots In December 2005, in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots, Jones used his breakfast radio program to read out and discuss a widely circulated text message that called on people to "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge... get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day". Media commentator David Marr accused Jones of inciting racial tensions and implicitly encouraging violence and vigilantism by the manner of his responses to callers even while he was verbally disapproving of them taking the law into their own hands.[70] On 10 April 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that the broadcaster 2GB and Jones had broadcast material (specifically comments made by Jones between 5–9 December 2005) that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity.[71][72][73] During his on-air rebuttal of the ACMA findings on 10 April 2007, Jones stated that by referring to his show as "Breakfast with Alan Jones", the ACMA had little credibility as his show was actually known as "The Alan Jones Show". However, the 2GB website prior to this broadcast clearly showed the Jones program as being "Breakfast with Alan Jones",[74] this was changed after the broadcast of Jones' rebuttal to be "Alan Jones Show".[75] David Flint again defended Jones by appearing on Jones' morning show "to support his friend and to condemn the process that found him guilty. He told 2GB listeners that and that the the vigilante movement existed at Cronulla long before Jones began broadcastingACMA findings amounted to a classic case of shoot the messenger. He said the complaints process was flawed because, unlike the Press Council, Jones could not face or question his accusers".[76] The NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal upheld a complaint of racial vilification against Jones and 2GB on 21 December 2009.[77][78] The tribunal said:     His comments about "Lebanese males in their vast numbers" hating Australia and raping, pillaging and plundering the country, about a "national security" crisis, and about the undermining of Australian culture by "vermin" were reckless hyperbole calculated to agitate and excite his audience without providing them with much in the way of solid information. Jones appealed the decision, but in October 2012 the NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal dismissed his appeal, and upheld his conviction for inciting hatred and for vilification of Muslims.[79] Jones apologised on-air for his remarks on 6 December 2012. However, on 12 December the Tribunal ruled that this apology was "an inadequate statement of wrongdoing" and ordered him to make another on-air apology during the week of 17 December, this time prescribing the words he was to read:     [quote]On 28 April 2005, on my breakfast program on Radio 2GB, I broadcast comments about Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. The comments were made following a Channel Nine television current affairs show about the conduct of young Lebanese men in Hickson Road at The Rocks. The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has found that my comments incited serious contempt of Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. Those comments were in breach of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Act. I apologise for making those comments, which I recognise were unlawful. I also apologise on behalf of Radio 2GB. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Other_cases] As I said, people of working age just don't listen to talkback radio.

And your evidence of that claim is?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D[/quote]

The ads for retirement products, aged-care facilities, burglar alarms, pile ointment and Alan's regular call-in spot with Chef Mario, from the marvellous Lavenders resturant.

Karnal wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 11:52am: ... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 11:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:33pm: ... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:30pm: I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. Seems the Islamophobes do...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Quote: Cronulla riots In December 2005, in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots, Jones used his breakfast radio program to read out and discuss a widely circulated text message that called on people to "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge... get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day". Media commentator David Marr accused Jones of inciting racial tensions and implicitly encouraging violence and vigilantism by the manner of his responses to callers even while he was verbally disapproving of them taking the law into their own hands.[70] On 10 April 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that the broadcaster 2GB and Jones had broadcast material (specifically comments made by Jones between 5–9 December 2005) that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity.[71][72][73] During his on-air rebuttal of the ACMA findings on 10 April 2007, Jones stated that by referring to his show as "Breakfast with Alan Jones", the ACMA had little credibility as his show was actually known as "The Alan Jones Show". However, the 2GB website prior to this broadcast clearly showed the Jones program as being "Breakfast with Alan Jones",[74] this was changed after the broadcast of Jones' rebuttal to be "Alan Jones Show".[75] David Flint again defended Jones by appearing on Jones' morning show "to support his friend and to condemn the process that found him guilty. He told 2GB listeners that and that the the vigilante movement existed at Cronulla long before Jones began broadcastingACMA findings amounted to a classic case of shoot the messenger. He said the complaints process was flawed because, unlike the Press Council, Jones could not face or question his accusers".[76] The NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal upheld a complaint of racial vilification against Jones and 2GB on 21 December 2009.[77][78] The tribunal said:     His comments about "Lebanese males in their vast numbers" hating Australia and raping, pillaging and plundering the country, about a "national security" crisis, and about the undermining of Australian culture by "vermin" were reckless hyperbole calculated to agitate and excite his audience without providing them with much in the way of solid information. Jones appealed the decision, but in October 2012 the NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal dismissed his appeal, and upheld his conviction for inciting hatred and for vilification of Muslims.[79] Jones apologised on-air for his remarks on 6 December 2012. However, on 12 December the Tribunal ruled that this apology was "an inadequate statement of wrongdoing" and ordered him to make another on-air apology during the week of 17 December, this time prescribing the words he was to read:     [quote]On 28 April 2005, on my breakfast program on Radio 2GB, I broadcast comments about Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. The comments were made following a Channel Nine television current affairs show about the conduct of young Lebanese men in Hickson Road at The Rocks. The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has found that my comments incited serious contempt of Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. Those comments were in breach of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Act. I apologise for making those comments, which I recognise were unlawful. I also apologise on behalf of Radio 2GB. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Other_cases] As I said, people of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. And your evidence of that claim is?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

The ads for retirement products, aged-care facilities, burglar alarms, pile ointment and Alan's regular call-in spot with Chef Mario, from the marvellous Lavenders resturant. [/quote]

You mean the place he gets lunch from every day, for free?

Never been.  Is it as good as he claims?  Does it offer Kosher food? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 4:14pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 11:52am: ... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 11:32pm: |dev|null wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:33pm: ... wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:30pm: I think his influence in that was vastly overstated.  People of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. Seems the Islamophobes do...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Quote: Cronulla riots In December 2005, in the lead-up to the Cronulla riots, Jones used his breakfast radio program to read out and discuss a widely circulated text message that called on people to "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge... get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day". Media commentator David Marr accused Jones of inciting racial tensions and implicitly encouraging violence and vigilantism by the manner of his responses to callers even while he was verbally disapproving of them taking the law into their own hands.[70] On 10 April 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that the broadcaster 2GB and Jones had broadcast material (specifically comments made by Jones between 5–9 December 2005) that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity.[71][72][73] During his on-air rebuttal of the ACMA findings on 10 April 2007, Jones stated that by referring to his show as "Breakfast with Alan Jones", the ACMA had little credibility as his show was actually known as "The Alan Jones Show". However, the 2GB website prior to this broadcast clearly showed the Jones program as being "Breakfast with Alan Jones",[74] this was changed after the broadcast of Jones' rebuttal to be "Alan Jones Show".[75] David Flint again defended Jones by appearing on Jones' morning show "to support his friend and to condemn the process that found him guilty. He told 2GB listeners that and that the the vigilante movement existed at Cronulla long before Jones began broadcastingACMA findings amounted to a classic case of shoot the messenger. He said the complaints process was flawed because, unlike the Press Council, Jones could not face or question his accusers".[76] The NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal upheld a complaint of racial vilification against Jones and 2GB on 21 December 2009.[77][78] The tribunal said:     His comments about "Lebanese males in their vast numbers" hating Australia and raping, pillaging and plundering the country, about a "national security" crisis, and about the undermining of Australian culture by "vermin" were reckless hyperbole calculated to agitate and excite his audience without providing them with much in the way of solid information. Jones appealed the decision, but in October 2012 the NSW Administrative Decisions Tribunal dismissed his appeal, and upheld his conviction for inciting hatred and for vilification of Muslims.[79] Jones apologised on-air for his remarks on 6 December 2012. However, on 12 December the Tribunal ruled that this apology was "an inadequate statement of wrongdoing" and ordered him to make another on-air apology during the week of 17 December, this time prescribing the words he was to read:     [quote]On 28 April 2005, on my breakfast program on Radio 2GB, I broadcast comments about Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. The comments were made following a Channel Nine television current affairs show about the conduct of young Lebanese men in Hickson Road at The Rocks. The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has found that my comments incited serious contempt of Lebanese males, including Lebanese Muslims. Those comments were in breach of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Act. I apologise for making those comments, which I recognise were unlawful. I also apologise on behalf of Radio 2GB. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Other_cases] As I said, people of working age just don't listen to talkback radio. And your evidence of that claim is?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D The ads for retirement products, aged-care facilities, burglar alarms, pile ointment and Alan's regular call-in spot with Chef Mario, from the marvellous Lavenders resturant.

You mean the place he gets lunch from every day, for free?

Never been.  Is it as good as he claims?  Does it offer Kosher food? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D[/quote]

Oh, it's to die for. The Caesar salad can come without bacon if you wish.