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Title: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:14am

Quote:

Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-our-expansion-will-be-perpetual-those-who-do-not-convert-to-islam-or-pay-the-islamic-tax-will-be-killed

A rampant ISIS, in Syria and Iraq, is cruel and intolerant.

And ISIS in Syria and Iraq, simply re-confirms all of the [previously dismissed] warnings, about what an unrestrained [and 'unveiled'] ISLAM looks like.

ISIS today, in Syria and Iraq, is yet another dire warning, to the 'ISLAM is evil and dangerous' sceptics in the West.

"Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the LORD'S anger."
Zephaniah 2:3

ISIS has said....

"Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed"

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS;

Where do those, who are supporters of ISIS, get such ideas ?

Where do even many moslems living in Australia! [who declare themselves to be, supporters of ISIS], get such ideas ?

Why do those who support ISIS think that such ideas/ideals [e.g. forced/'intimidated' conversion to ISLAM, and ISLAMIC supremacism through political violence] are legitimate ISLAMIC tenets ?

Where on earth does ISIS get such an idea from !!

Because i thought that true ISLAM taught moslems to be peaceful and tolerant, towards all other people ???     :D

Because that, is what imam's within Australia are teaching/'broadcasting'.

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Google;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam"

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THE TRUTH;

Whenever, wherever, 'the moslem' is weak, the local moslem community will preach [to anyone who will listen] that ISLAM is a faith which is peaceful and tolerant, towards all other people.

But that narrative is a deceit.

That narrative is an artifice.

But if this is in fact true [that moslems have a malevolent intent towards us], then why is it, that no Western expert on ISLAM [or 'terrorism'], or that no mainstream Western [based] journalist [who 'engages' with members of the moslem community], seems to have the power to uncover and expose the artifice of the moslem narrative ?

Maybe it is just that this moslem artifice is 'un-knowable' or, too well hidden ???    LOL

Maybe it is unreasonable to expect Western journalists and Western experts on ISLAM, to uncover arcane and 'hidden knowledge' about ISLAM ???       LOL

It does seem very apparent to many, many 'common' people today, that ISLAM does promote a violent supremacist philosophy, and, that ISLAM 'religiously' sanctions the use of political violence to advance its ambitions in the world.

But how could Western experts on ISLAM, be expected to uncover that arcane and 'hidden knowledge' about ISLAM's nefarious methods and intentions ???       LOL

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THE KORAN....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

THE SUNNAH OF MOHAMMED.....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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AT THE HEART OF ISLAM, IS AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE & AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE, AGAINST THOSE WHO REJECT ISLAM....

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:16am

Quote:

Islamic State releases list of “Qur’anic punishments”
Dec 18, 2014 06:53 pm | Robert Spencer

How refreshing it would be if some of the people, Muslim or non-Muslim, who insist that the Islamic State is not Islamic would show how this penal code is contrary to Islam and Sharia.

But they will not do so, because they can’t.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-releases-list-of-quranic-punishments

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:17am

"....they’re being killed because they’re infidels."

Quote:

Nigeria: Islamic jihadists massacre civilians, say they’re being killed because they’re infidels
Dec 22, 2014 02:01 pm | Robert Spencer

“We have made sure the floor of this hall is turned red with blood, and this is how it is going to be in all future attacks and arrests of infidels.

From now, killing, slaughtering, destruction and bombing will be our religious duty anywhere we invade.”

Our “religious duty,” he says.

What religion are these ...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/nigeria-islamic-jihadists-massacre-civilians-say-theyre-being-killed-because-theyre-infidels

Where do those supporters of ISIS/Boko Haram, get such ideas ?

i.e.
The idea that it is lawful for a moslem to kill those who are not moslems - because they are not moslems ?

Hmmmmm ?

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

So, Y., is the Lord's Resistance Army what an unrestrained Christian looks like? ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

Hot Breath,

Response to your post #3;

In a like manner, i could ask;

Do you believe that the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea' [i.e. North Korea ], is a good or typical example of a democratic state ?

And, is it your argument, that the name that the North Korean regime uses, to describe itself, reflects a true circumstance ?

Hot Breath,

And just because a moslem imam, here in Australia, declares;

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"

Those words, imo, do not reflect a true and accurate circumstance.

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt

EXAMPLE - of moslems promoting ~~ISLAM~~ 'peace' in Australia.....

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IMAGE....

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:21am

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

I note you don't attribute a name to this Imam. Why, Y? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Do you disagree with the statement by a famous Christian that "Christianity is to war like petrol is to fire"? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:35am

|dev|null wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:21am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

I note you don't attribute a name to this Imam.

Why, Y?

Hot Breath,

Read my post again.

Mr Yunus.

There is even a link to an ABC news report, quoting Mr Yunus.

'Shoulda gone to specsavers'.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:44am

You expect me to read an entire post by you, Y?

How, how, how could you? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by ozzyoi on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm

Quote:

Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Get Fuxed !

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by wally1 on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm

ozzyoi wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Quote:

Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Get Fuxed !

Sounds like the west.

Wants to expand into every country and convert there governments to a democracy or face death.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm

wally1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Quote:

Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Sounds like the west.

Wants to expand into every country and convert there governments to a democracy or face death.

No.

Sounds like mainstream ISLAM.

ISLAM wants to expand into every country, and convert their populations to be 'moslem', or face their cruel death, at the hands of 'rightly guided' moslems.

as per this imam [boldly promoting ISLAM freely, while resident in the USA!!!]....

Quote:

“......if they don’t [convert to Islam,] their life and property are halal [free for the taking] for the Muslims.”

Yasir Qadhi (aka Abu Ammaar Yasir Kazi) - is a college professor in the USA,
Yasir Qadhi is also an imam (the word means a teacher of Islam)

quote above, is cited here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425385069/15#15

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Yadda said....

Quote:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:17pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

wally1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Quote:

Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Sounds like the west.

Wants to expand into every country and convert there governments to a democracy or face death.

No.

Sounds like mainstream ISLAM.

ISLAM wants to expand into every country, and convert their populations to be 'moslem', or face their cruel death, at the hands of 'rightly guided' moslems.

Sounds like these people Y.

;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm

Hot Breath,

Moslems do this ------------ >

IMAGE....

wtc-9-11.jpg

And moslem nations GET this ------------ >

IMAGE....

a war on 'terror'

And moslems are surprised !!!!!! ?

Yep.

Of course they are. :D ;D

Coz imo, ISLAM 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM = = the abandonment of good [moral] principles, which leads to the corruption of the human psyche.

Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:32pm

Yadda, I think you missed the messages from Doublya, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the other Neo-Cons about "exporting Democracy to the Middle East." Some Muslims may have provided the reason for it but the American and British governments tried to do it... ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Karnal on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:46pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm:

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

Good point, Y. The globetrotting Saudi Islamist Osama organises September 11, so Uncle takes out the secular Ba’athist Saddam.

That’ll fix them.

How’s the War On Terror going in Iraq these days? We don’t seem to be having much luck in Saudi Arabia.

Maybe we should export Freeeedom to ISIS.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 8:19am

Their 'crime', was rejecting ISLAM

Quote:

Abandonment of Christian Victims of Genocide Today
April 23, 2015

.....The horrific killings include, for example, four Iraqi Christian children, who were beheaded for refusing to say that they would follow the Prophet Muhammad and for telling their ISIS captors that they will always “love” and “follow” Jesus.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/71398

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Quote:

I cannot understand how all this can be allowed to continue and go on, day in and day out, without the attention of the mainstream media!
Why is it being so obviously suppressed and not broadcast?
Why are the churches not speaking out?
The entire Western Christian world appears to have a death wish - frozen in their tracks like a rabbit in car headlights!
I would dearly like to see somebody, somewhere say - or even do, something about it!

Stan.

Quote:

Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-our-expansion-will-be-perpetual-those-who-do-not-convert-to-islam-or-pay-the-islamic-tax-will-be-killed

Rampant and unrestrained ISIS, in Syria and Iraq, show us just how cruel and intolerant unrestrained mainstream ISLAM and mainstream moslems [who live among us] are, and would be, towards you and your children.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425385069/7#7
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425385069/12#12

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Yadda, I think you missed the messages from Doublya, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the other Neo-Cons about "exporting Democracy to the all Middle East." Some Muslims may have provided the reason for it but the American and British governments tried to do it... ::)

you talk as if there was no discernible difference between representative democracy, Baathist dictatorship or Islamic theocratic terrorism, as if it was all relative and as if each had its place where it is right and proper but not elsewhere.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:32pm:

So, Soren, I'll take you as a neo-Con supporter who believes it is possible to export Democracy on the tips of your soldiers' bayonets, shall I? ::)

The reality of Iraq proved that was impossible, if you annoyed enough Iraqis who were all looking for their chance to replace Saddam Hussein. ::)

I doubt anybody except you or Yadda would have missed the point I was making - neo-Cons were saying exactly that, Soren. Nothing more. ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

White man' burden.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:53pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give ~~savage~~ tribal Muslims a chance for a ~~civilised~~ way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face ~~an resume murdering each other~~ -and will blame you, for a change.

Fixed your statement for you, Soren. Glad to be of service to you. ;)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Karnal on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 8:37pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Exactly. Not even happy with a jolly old carpetbombing. These people are such victims, no?

I blame Islam.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Fixed your statement for you, Soren. Glad to be of service to you. ;)

What?? Parliamentary elections and negotiated political compromise are not civilised and better than civil war?

And they they have resumed murdering each other, so no need for you to edit out the facts.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:03pm

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Fixed your statement for you, Soren. Glad to be of service to you. ;)

Facts? Really? Where, Soren? I saw your Islamophobic opinion interfering with an otherwise acceptable statement and removed it for you. You got a problem with me doing that? ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

Any criticism or negative opinion of Islam is reflexively stamped as Islamophobic by the likes of you, Brain. You are unthinking and stupid and the first glimpse of a reasoned opposition to Islam sends you into a spin of paroxysm. Islam can be criticised, it is supremely irrational and so any rational pronouncements about it will be automatically critical of it.

The hope for humanity s that it is people like you who stand up for something so anti-human, oppressive and dangerous. You could not win an argument against a dim 12 year old. There is hope for us all as long as you are the intellectual cutting edge of the Islamophobia-mongers.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by mothra on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Oh for crying out loud. We gave them a what now?

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:34pm

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Oh for crying out loud. We gave them a what now?

A chance at being civilised.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by mothra on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Oh for crying out loud. We gave them a what now?

A chance at being civilised.

No we bloody well didn't. We invaded them for no good reason, blew them to holy hell, pissed off a whole heap of people and left .... AFTER installing Hussein in the first damn place.

Your knowledge of Middle East dynamics is sadly lacking Soren.

Read some Fisk.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Of course it can be criticised, Soren. Problem is, you can't. You're proving yourself incapable of creating a coherent argument against the Islamic religion without resorting to your Islamophobic hatred. You've been provided with examples of your own arguments, with the Islamophobia removed but you can't accept them. This all rather proves that you are an Islamophobe! ::)

I'll treat your normal ad hominem stuff with the contempt it deserves, Soren. ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Well, show me some examples of what you regard as coherent, reasonable criticism of Islam, what you would accept as non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.

You insist that it exists but you do not want to provides examples of it.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by John_Taverner on May 9^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Soren, I had an uncle Neil who was a real cantankerous bastard. I imagine you as a Cantankerous Uncle Neil Type in real life. 8-)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Soren, I had an uncle Neil who was a real cantankerous bastard. I imagine you as a Cantankerous Uncle Neil Type in real life. 8-)

Thank you.

I can't be bothered imagining you.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Well, show me some examples of what you regard as coherent, reasonable criticism of Islam, what you would accept as non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.

Forgotten this, Soren?

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? ::)

Quote:

You insist that it exists but you do not want to provides examples of it.

You really are being very silly, Soren. ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Mauritania - Oh look. All is not well, in yet another ISLAMIC 'paradise'

Quote:

Mauritania sentences man to death for apostasy
Dec 25, 2014 07:52 am | Robert Spencer

Muhammad said: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57).

The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite.

Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated:

“The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them.

The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/mauritania-sentences-man-to-death-for-apostasy

How can this be ?

Surely ISIS is not in Mauritania too ?

Ah that's right.....

No.

Places like Mauritania are being governed by those 'moderate', tolerant moslems - who condemn ISIS and Boko Haram. :P

Mauritania is a nation located in Africa, about as far west as you can go, and still be in Africa.

I wonder how much international aid goes to a ISLAMIST nation like Mauritania ?

Google;
how much international aid, Mauritania

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2015 at 6:11pm

Why would anyone believe that ISIS has any significant 'representation' or support, within a secular society like ours, when we know, that our society is populated only by a community of moderate, tolerant moslems [....and, of course, we filthy infidels] ???

Brits, in Britain retreat, in the face of ISIS cadres, WITHIN BRITAIN

Quote:

UK: Palace sentries retreat behind gates for fear of jihad attacks
Dec 28, 2014 03:05 pm | Robert Spencer

As always, British authorities choose retreat rather than confrontation of the jihad threat.

There is no possible way that this can end well.

“Retreating of the Queen’s Guard: End of an era as palace sentries fall back in face of mounting fears of new ‘lone wolf’ terrorist attack,” by Abul Taher and Mark Nicol, Daily Mail, ...

Security chiefs have taken the dramatic step of withdrawing Royal Guards from their high-profile posts outside palaces amid mounting fears of ‘lone wolf’ terrorist attacks.

Elite soldiers of the Queen’s Guard have pulled back from public positions at many landmarks in response to possible threats from Islamic extremists.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/uk-palace-sentries-retreat-behind-gates-for-fear-of-jihad-attacks

QUESTION;
Why is this happening, in a nation like Britain ??????

ANSWER;
We allow these monsters to live among us.

They are called moslems.

Moslems follow a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs.

So what do you think that most of them are going to aspire to be ???

DUH!

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

Yadda paraphrases....
"Don't fight against our brothers, the Taliban.

If you do, you are the enemies of Allah, and of us."

Quote:

Pakistan: Muslim cleric says fight against Taliban is “un-Islamic”
Dec 24, 2014 09:43 am | Robert Spencer

Now wait a minute.

In the West, both Muslim and non-Muslim leaders constantly tell us that groups like the Taliban are un-Islamic, and that anyone who dares to suspect otherwise is a racist, bigoted Islamophobe.

Now Abdul Aziz is saying the exact opposite.

Is he ignorant of the contents of the books he is waving around in the photo?

Has he somehow missed, in his lifelong study of Islam, the Qur’an’s vaunted teachings of peace and tolerance?

It would be refreshing if one of the Muslim or non-Muslim spokesmen in the West were to take up Abdul Aziz’s challenge of a debate.

None will do so, however......

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/pakistan-muslim-cleric-says-fight-against-taliban-is-un-islamic

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated by moderate moslems ???

Yadda says;
A moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

Every moslem is either an active [Jihadi] or a 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem.

.

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 10^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Well, show me some examples of what you regard as coherent, reasonable criticism of Islam, what you would accept as non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.

Forgotten this, Soren?

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? ::)

Quote:

You insist that it exists but you do not want to provides examples of it.

You really are being very silly, Soren. ::)

You are talking idiotic nonsense again, Brain, along the lines of "not every nazi was in the Waffen SS so one must't be critical of National Socialism".

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1429485279/27#27 date=1431092325]

[quote author=soren2 link=1429485279/18#18 date=1430036191]Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give ~~savage~~ tribal Muslims a chance for a ~~civilised~~ way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face ~~an resume murdering each other~~ -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? ::)

Because you deleted the pertinent bits.

We gave them a chance to resolve their differences in a civilised way - each making a bit of a compromise - not just their own ways (to which is what they have now resorted, viz, murdering each other in the name of tribal, religious allegiances)).

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1429485279/18#18 date=1430036191]Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give ~~savage~~ tribal Muslims a chance for a ~~civilised~~ way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face ~~an resume murdering each other~~ -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? ::)

Because you deleted the pertinent bits.

Ah, so you believe your Islamophobia is pertinent? ::)

[quote]
We gave them a chance to resolve their differences in a civilised way - each making a bit of a compromise - not just their own ways (to which is what they have now resorted, viz, murdering each other in the name of tribal, religious allegiances)).

Couldn't agree more, Soren.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 10^th, 2015 at 6:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? ::)

Because you deleted the pertinent bits.

Couldn't agree more, Soren.

Yet you deleted it. That's how constrained and suffocated by PC you are.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 10^th, 2015 at 7:06pm

Why did you ignore my question, Soren? Afraid to admit your Islamophobic? ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 10^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Read some Fisk.

What next??

"read some Edward Said"??

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:26am

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated almost exclusively, by moderate, tolerant moslems ???          :P          :D

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a [truly] mythical creature.

By definition, every person who self-describes as a moslem, is a creature [enthralled] of ISLAM.

And every moslem, is either a currently active [Jihadi], or, he is a currently 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem    [....waiting for Allah to provide him with an 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his community].

Mujahid = = one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam.    Islamic guerrilla fighter.       denoting a person who fights a jihad.

.

If a moslem is 'a follower of ISLAM';

QUESTION;
What, is ISLAM ?

QUESTION;
What defines ISLAM ?

------------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

---------- >

Yadda says;

ISLAM is, a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs.

.

Yadda said....

Quote:

All moslems are moslems.

And these monsters [moslems] live among us.

What is a 'moslem' ?

By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

n.b.
If 'the moslem' did not ~~agree~~ promise to adhere to the tenets and laws of ISLAM, then 'the moslem' would not be a moslem.

All moslems subscribe to the tenets and laws and the 'ideals', which are promoted by ISLAM and by Allah's prophet.

That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'.

....

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

But Gandalf exists, Yadda! Therefore, the concept of a "moderate Muslim" is not a "mythical creature"... ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 11^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

|dev|null wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

But Gandalf exists, Yadda!

Therefore, the concept of a "moderate Muslim" is not a "mythical creature"...

Yes, gandalf is a moderate moslem.

But, gandalf does not exist.

'gandalf', is a moslem, being a moslem - in a non-moslem jurisdiction.

Every moslem living within Australia, is likely to claim that they are 'moderate', and, claim that they are tolerant of the belief [or lack of belief] of others.

But 'gandalf', is an artifice.

gandalf does not exist.

e.g.
These could be the words of 'our' gandalf ------------ >

Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"...

"I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said.

"We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html

Those are the genuine words of A MODERATE MOSLEM, someone called Sheik Feiz Mohammed.

Sheik Feiz Mohammed, THE MODERATE MOSLEM !

Right ???

.

THOSE WORDS ABOVE, WERE SPOKEN BY THIS GUY, -------- >
...AND WERE SPOKEN PURELY AS A SOP, TO THE MEDIA,
...AFTER HIS PREVIOUS WORDS OF ANIMOSITY TOWARDS ALL NON-MOSLEMS, WAS EXPOSED ------------ >

Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379120057/291#291

Quote:

gandalf is the type of moslem who promotes only peace, and does not follow the violent parts of his faith. :P

Yadda said....
[quote]

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

[/quote]

.

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

Boring, Yadda. You admit Gandalf exists and then manufacture a paranoid delusion to prove he doesn't exist in your mind. Sorry, that won't work here. Your proofs refer to different people to Gandalf. Quote some of Gandalf's stuff that proves he isn't moderate! Otherwise, run back under your rock! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 11^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Why did you ignore my question, Soren? Afraid to admit your Islamophobic? ::)

Advocating for a civilised resolution of differences is now Islamophobic??

You are still outa you mind, Brain.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 11^th, 2015 at 9:08pm

No I am not. Lets not go into your usual obfuscation routine, Soren. Are you going to answer the question about your Islamophobia? ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 12^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

As I explained elsewhere many times, your premise is as stupid as can be expected from you Brain.

There is no such thing as 'Islamophobia. Only complete non-thinkers still peddle the notion as if meant anything because they cannot think of any other way to counter criticisms of a political ideology.

It is an empty non-idea. So it fits you and characterises you perfectly.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 13^th, 2015 at 9:35am

Warriors of ISLAM

Joyous Islamic State jihadis,
....but too frightened to reveal their faces to their mums [or to the security service], in the UK

Quote:

Islamic State jihadi says he felt joyous when killing people because “I was killing infidels”
Dec 30, 2014 02:39 pm | Robert Spencer

“Anghel said the militants go through a very intensive brainwashing process of Shariah, the Islamic law, and they come out on the other side truly believing that God wants them to kill infidels.”

Now where could they have gotten such a crazy, Islamophobic idea?

Could it be from Qur’an passages like these?......

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-jihadi-says-he-felt-joyous-when-killing-people-because-i-was-killing-infidels

see also.....

Quote:

SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against 'infidels'.

SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0#0

n.b.
Many of ~~the persons~~ the infidels that ISIS cadres are so 'joyously' killing in Syria and Iraq, are not Christians or atheists.

The ISIS cadres in Syria and Iraq, are killing many, many persons who claim to be fellow moslems !!

Jihad = = 'virtuously' murdering those who reject ISLAM

--------- >

'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

A moslem, in his preferred 'environment'.

Doing 'good works', in 'the cause of Allah'.

A MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC - 'AT HOME ON THE RANGE' WHERE THE LAWS OF ALLAH PREVAIL

That is the nature of the beast!

That is the nature of ISLAM, ----- > it is ISLAMIC tenets and doctrine, which transform human beings, into homicidal maniacs!

---------- >

THE LESSON FROM THESE CIRCUMSTANCES [above], FOR EVERY THINKING PERSON;

To a devout moslem [i.e. to the radicalised Jihadi moslem], everyone who does not believe exactly as he believes, is an infidel.

And, ISLAM's tenets and religious doctrine, teaches the moslem, that every infidel [i.e. everyone who does not believe exactly as he believes] is an enemy of Allah, and that [therefore] every infidel deserves to die !

Yadda says;

ISLAM is, a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs.

Homicidal maniacs, who then 'righteously' murder others, on the basis of their 'righteous' intolerance of the beliefs of others.

And this is a religious bigotry and intolerance which is inculcated into the psyche of every moslem [from childhood], by mainstream ISLAMIC tenets and doctrine.

QUESTION;
Here within a nation like Australia, who is it, that is radicalising moslem children [~~to become active Jihadis~~ to become active terrorists, here in Australia!!] ???????????????????????

------------ >

ANSWER;
It is apparent to anyone with eyes to see, that it is the moslem community [itself] here in Australia!!!!, that is intentionally radicalising [young] moslems - to hate Australia, and to hate Australians [because they are infidels].

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 13^th, 2015 at 9:37am

Evidence in support of what i stated in post #48

-------- >

DAMNING EVIDENCE #1, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

   ------- >

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA.    !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

Muslims brainwash children in Australia -------- >       goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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DAMNING EVIDENCE #2, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life    ------- >

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html

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DAMNING EVIDENCE #3, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

.

DAMNING EVIDENCE #4, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

IMAGE...

Quote:

August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion.

It doesn't tolerate," he said.

"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

.

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

Yadda said....

Quote:

Every moslem, owes his allegiance to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

Moslems are not Australians!!!

Yes, many moslems are Australian citizens, 'in law'.

But, every moslem, is a moslem.

His allegiance [notwithstanding his lying denials], is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY!!!!

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 13^th, 2015 at 9:53am

Quote:

Iran raids house church on Christmas, arrests nine Christians
Dec 31, 2014 06:03 am | Robert Spencer

“In a message on Wednesday, December 25, on the occasion of Christmas, Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, President-elect of the Iranian Resistance, called the clerical regime masking itself by Islam as the most ruthless enemy of Christ and Mohammad…

They are henchmen that execute and torture people for their religious beliefs, especially for following the true message of Mohammad and Christ…”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/iran-raids-house-church-on-christmas-arrests-nine-christians

In a moslem majority nation [no matter whether it be a Sunni or Shia regime], it is [often] impossible to show any public display of being a Christian [BECAUSE SUCH A DISPLAY, is construed by moslems as having proselytising aspect] [or of following any faith other than ISLAM], without some 'cost' being borne, by those who show themselves to be, not moslems.

Allah's religion itself, declares that all infidels [disbelievers] are the mortal enemies of Allah, and of Allah's religion.

In some instances, disbelievers within a moslem majority nation are tolerated, whenever a circumstance exists in which disbelievers serve some purpose, or 'utility', to local moslems.

But the lawful persecution of those [living within a Sharia jurisdiction] who are not moslems, is an article of faith.

But you would never know, or ever learn about that hostility, that moslems have, for those who are not moslems, by speaking to any local moslem or imam [a teacher of ISLAM], here in Australia;

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"
- Mr Yunus - Darwin's Islamic leader
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1428710611/30#30

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 13^th, 2015 at 10:13am

QUESTION;
Is it possible for moslems and infidels to co-exist, and to live in a state of peace together ?

ANSWER;
OF COURSE IT IS!!!!!

---------- >

Quote:

Islamic Republic of Iran General: Obama, EU leaders should convert to Islam for peace
Dec 29, 2014 05:40 pm | Robert Spencer

You might almost get the idea that Brigadier General Qolamhossein Qeib-parvar thinks that the conflict between Iran and the West has something to do with Islam.

But Barack Obama and so very many other authorities assure us that this is not the case — Brigadier General Qolamhossein Qeib-parvar must be wrong, no?

“Iranian General:......A general in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), stipulated on Saturday, that President Barack Obama, as well as leaders of the European Union (EU) should convert to Islam in order for there to be peace between the United States and Iran to be possible.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-republic-of-iran-general-obama-eu-leaders-should-convert-to-islam-for-peace

See, see!!!

If we infidels would just 'roll over', and have our tummies rubbed, and surrender to ISLAM, all would be well in the world.

Because;

"ISLAM is peace."

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"
- Mr Yunus - Darwin's Islamic leader
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1428710611/30#30
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt

Honest! :P

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

Quote:

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence:

"The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina.

God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God.

This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."

Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice:

"He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims."

Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.

.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict:

"Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)

Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only:

"Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)

As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

I'm interested to find out where you got all your knowledge about Islam from... ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Who made you, the village idiot of Ozpolitics, an authority on defending Islam?

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Dnarever on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:09pm

ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like

Q : ? No, it has existed for centuries in many other forms.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:33pm

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Who made you, the village idiot of Ozpolitics, an authority on defending Islam?

Who made you the expert on rejection, Soren?

Sometimes a question is just a question, as Karnal likes to phrase it... ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by mothra on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:46pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Don't ask him questions Hot Breath .. he doesn't like it. HE gets all evasive and asks you questions in return .. to deflect from the questions you ask him. Like he just did.

He's very unstable. It's the viking blood.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Who made you, the village idiot of Ozpolitics, an authority on defending Islam?

Who made you the expert on rejection, Soren?

Sometimes a question is just a question, as Karnal likes to phrase it... ::)

You do not need to be an expert on an ideology to reject it.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

I am just a person who can read and write, and count to 10, and a person who knows which way is up.

And what is ISLAM about ???

It is all pretty basic stuff -------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

---------- >

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

.

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I'm interested to find out where you got all your knowledge about Islam from...

No you are not.

You are simply a 'messenger shooter'.

You are a person who doesn't want to know anything, ...which would force you to confront your own [comfortable] worldview.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:32pm

Never, ever, confront a moslem with truth which shames him, and which reveals him to be;

A FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEM!

[well, that, is what moslems WOULD prefer!!!!]

Quote:

Pakistani officials enraged over “Homeland” portrayal of their country as “ugly, ignorant, terror-plagued ‘hellhole'”
Dec 30, 2014 11:02 am | Robert Spencer

“‘Repeated insinuations that an intelligence agency of Pakistan is complicit in protecting the terrorists at the expense of innocent Pakistani civilians is not only absurd but also an insult to the ultimate sacrifices of the thousands of Pakistani security personnel in [i]the war against terrorism,’ a source said.”

If the shoe fits:

[Yadda; LINKS TO FURTHER INFO ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS, are supplied in the body of the article ----- > ]

Pakistan’s ISI spy service planned jihad terror attacks on US and Israeli consulates in India

India’s home minister: Pakistan’s ISI orchestrated Mumbai jihadist attacks

U.S. confronted Pakistan with evidence of ISI-Haqqani links before going public

U.S. says Pakistan’s ISI continues to aid Taliban and Haqqani network

Nothing new: Pakistan’s ISI “urges on” Taliban

Report: Pakistan’s ISI wants to double aid to Kashmir jihadists

Report says Osama in Pakistan under ISI protection

Architect for Pakistani spy service ISI designed bin Laden compound

[/i]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/pakistani-officials-enraged-over-homeland-portrayal-of-their-country-as-ugly-ignorant-terror-plagued-hellhole

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated by moderate, tolerant moslems ??? :D

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a [truly] mythical creature.

By definition, every person who self-describes as a moslem, is a creature [enthralled] of ISLAM.

And every moslem, is either a currently active [Jihadi], or, he is a currently 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem [....waiting for Allah to provide him with an 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his community].

Mujahid = = one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam. Islamic guerrilla fighter. denoting a person who fights a jihad.

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

---------- >

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:47pm

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1429485279/58#58

Quote:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

But moslem clerics are!

Quote:

Muslim cleric killed fighting for the Islamic State
Jan 02, 2015 09:36 pm | Robert Spencer

How did a Muslim cleric get the idea that he should fight with the Islamic State?

Doesn’t he know that what they do has nothing to do with Islam?

Did he miss the Qur’an’s peaceful and tolerant passages?

“Saudi IS cleric killed in northern Syria,” Associated Press, January 2, 2015 […]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/muslim-cleric-killed-fighting-for-the-islamic-state

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated by moderate, tolerant moslems ??? :D :D

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a [truly] mythical creature.

By definition, every person who self-describes as a moslem, is a creature [enthralled] of ISLAM.

And every moslem, is either a currently active [Jihadi], or, he is a currently 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem [....waiting for Allah to provide him with an 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his community].

Mujahid = = one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam. Islamic guerrilla fighter. denoting a person who fights a jihad.

.

Yadda said....

Quote:

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:01pm

Hey girls !!!!

How can you resist an 'invitation' like this ???????? ------------- >

Moslem men want to honour you, by showing you just how lucky you are, to be raped by a gang of moslem men !

Quote:

Islamic jihadist says slavery biggest honor for non-Muslim women
Jan 02, 2015 09:02 pm | Robert Spencer

According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand”

(Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50).

The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general, as does this passage......

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/islamic-jihadists-says-slavery-biggest-honor-for-non-muslim-women

THIS IS THE WORLD-VIEW OF EVERY MOSLEM [notwithstanding their lying denials] --------- >

Secular courts, in secular nations, which convict moslem men of the rape of non-moslem women, ARE OPPRESSING MOSLEMS.

[.....therefore Jihad operations against such jurisdictions are seeking to free moslems from 'oppression'!! :D < ----- this is the mindset, THE MADNESS, which we [who oppose ISLAM] are forced to struggle against!]

How so ?????????????

BECAUSE MOSLEM MEN ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING UNLAWFUL [IN ISLAMIC LAW].

MOSLEM MEN ARE MERELY IMITATING MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE OF CONDUCT.....

--------- >

Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger" = = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women" = = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them" = = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives" = = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them." = = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them" = = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

.

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah [i.e. Mohammed] a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."
Koran 33.021

A MOSLEM 'RAPE-FEST' IS OCCURRING IN EUROPE - WHY ?
HAS THIS EPIDEMIC OF THE MOSLEM RAPE, OF NON-MOSLEM WOMEN IN EUROPE, GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM ?

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/

Google;
bilal skaf, rape, uncovered women, no right to say no

Google,
"rape jihad"

Google,
Beslan 'jihad', murder and rape-fest, by 'terrorists'

Google,
Beslan 'jihad', babies knifed, school children raped

Quote:

"....attacks on girls as young as 13.... they had no right to say no. They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed:
...I’m not doing anything wrong."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=20535&p=1
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/27/1069825922999.html
from my archive, the link is old

Quote:

"....Islam gives an open license to Muslim men to have sexual intercourse with women as long as these women are....living in an infidel country."

By Abul Kasem
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/abulkazem/SexualityinIslam.htm
from my archive, the link is old

Quote:

"......A Muslim man commits rape if and only if he has sex with a Muslim woman....Having forced sex with an infidel woman does not at all constitute rape, Islamically speaking."

By Abul Kasem
http://islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/MeatImam.htm
from my archive, the link is old

.

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated by moderate, tolerant moslems ??? :D :D

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a [truly] mythical creature.

By definition, every person who self-describes as a moslem, is a creature [enthralled] of ISLAM.

And every moslem, is either a currently active [Jihadi], or, he is a currently 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem [....waiting for Allah to provide him with an 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his community].

Mujahid = = one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam. Islamic guerrilla fighter. denoting a person who fights a jihad.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 14^th, 2015 at 6:57pm

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

And what makes you think that anyone cares what you think or whether you listen or not? (Not even Brain and PB. You are utterly negligible.)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 14^th, 2015 at 9:29pm

mothra wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I bet you don't remember the question you asked me.
You would have easily re-posted it. Instead you dicker around as if.

Just stupid.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.?

Hot_Breath,

I am no authority on ISLAM.

I know nothing, of myself, of ISLAM.

That is why i listen attentively to what;
1/ moslem clerics/imams [esp. here in Australia and the UK]
2/ the Koran,
3/ the hadith and sunna of Mohammed, and ISLAMIC law
.....say in their clear and precise descriptions of how to be a good moslem.

As per the Koran.....

"Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon.....
Koran 47.33-35

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

The Koran very explicitly, instructs believers to follow the instruction and guidance of their religion [without question], as it is interpreted by their clerics and imams.

.

MOSLEM CLERICS/IMAMS #1;

A moslem community leader,, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

FIRST publicly ------- >

Quote:

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

AND THEN PRIVATELY, TO A GROUP OF MOSLEMS ------- >

Quote:

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

.

MOSLEM CLERICS/IMAMS #2;

ISLAM instructs moslems, that disbelievers are not 'innocent people'.

And mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine, instructs moslems, that moslems can 'lawfully' kill any non-moslem who rejects ISLAM.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

.

MOSLEM CLERICS/IMAMS #3;

IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Moslems are taught by ISLAMIC tenets and laws [from childhood], that it is a lawful act, for a moslem to kill a non-moslem who insults ISLAM, by rejecting ISLAM.

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

.

THE KORAN,

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

---------- >

.

THE HADITH AND SUNNA OF MOHAMMED, AND ISLAMIC LAW

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:13am

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

And what makes you think that anyone cares what you think or whether you listen or not? (Not even Brain and PB. You are utterly negligible.)

Yet you devote so much of your time answering my posts Soren! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:15am

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I bet you don't remember the question you asked me.
You would have easily re-posted it. Instead you dicker around as if.

Just stupid.

You really are a bit of a wally, aren't you Soren? Mothra can just scroll back to locate her question! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Soren on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

|dev|null wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I bet you don't remember the question you asked me.
You would have easily re-posted it. Instead you dicker around as if.

Just stupid.

You really are a bit of a wally, aren't you Soren? Mothra can just scroll back to locate her question! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Well, why doesn't she then?

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.?

Hot_Breath,

I am no authority on ISLAM.

I know nothing, of myself, of ISLAM.

Why do you keep claiming otherwise, Yadda? ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 15^th, 2015 at 7:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.?

Hot_Breath,

I am no authority on ISLAM.

I know nothing, of myself, of ISLAM.

Why do you keep claiming otherwise, Yadda? ::)

brian,

As i have already revealed to you, in post #65, ....i am simply following the [authentic ISLAMIC] information that is being 'broadcast' to the world [of moslems], by ISLAMIC holy texts, and by fellow moslems;

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1429485279/65#65

as per.....

EXAMPLE #1;

Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

.

EXAMPLE #2;

IMAGE.....

'Aussie' moslem, Bilal Merhi

Watch as 'Aussie' moslem, Bilal Merhi, in Indonesia, addresses ....200,000 Indonesians.

Telling 200,000 Indonesians at a public meeting, that "the moslems living in Australia" are engaged in 'the struggle' to eventually violently impose ISLAM and Sharia law upon Australians.

-------- >

Quote:

"......Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle....."

[i.e. 1st with moslems engaging in the 'peaceful' 'stealth' Jihad, with moslems telling naive Australians that; "ISLAM is a peaceful faith."

then later [when moslems are 'ready', whenever Allah provides the moslems in Australia with such an 'opportunity'], there will be the hot Jihad, in Australia]

Muslims brainwash children in Australia -------- > goto 1m 40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

.

EXAMPLE #3;

Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

.

EXAMPLE #4;

IMAGE...

Quote:

August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.

"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

.

EXAMPLE #5;

IMAGE...

"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demonstrating and exposing to public view, the violent religious bigotry which ISLAM, has put into their hearts.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Demanding the 'religious freedom', to kill people who offend them, because they do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Brian Ross on May 16^th, 2015 at 12:01am

Yadda wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.?

Hot_Breath,

I am no authority on ISLAM.

I know nothing, of myself, of ISLAM.

Why do you keep claiming otherwise, Yadda? ::)

You ever consider that you're listening to the words of the extremists rather than what the mainstream Muslims believe or do, Yadda? Its the equivalent of saying that Joseph Koney is representative of the majority of Christians... ::) ::)

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Yadda on May 16^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

Response to post #71 -------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

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QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

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THE KORAN - ISLAM's PRE-EMINENT 'HOLY' SCRIPTURE;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

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THE HADITH AND SUNNA OF MOHAMMED, AND ISLAMIC LAW;

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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MAINSTREAM MOSLEM CLERICS/IMAMS;

ISLAM instructs moslems, that, no disbeliever is an 'innocent' person.

And mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine, instructs moslems, that moslems can 'lawfully' kill any non-moslem who rejects ISLAM.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Hot Breath on May 18^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'.

So, why should we listen to what you have to say about Islam Y.? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

And what makes you think that anyone cares what you think or whether you listen or not? (Not even Brain and PB. You are utterly negligible.)

Oh, I think Y. likes that I read his posts Soren. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by Julius Abbott on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:37pm

Quote:

ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like

So they nuked a civilian population?
They deliberately infected syphilis on people?
They propped up evil dictators around the world?
They supply weapons to many of the most oppressive regimes in the world?

Oops, no that was the Christian USA!

Title: Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Post by issuevoter on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

Julius Abbott wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

Quote:

ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like

You do realise that is not a contradiction.