Brilliant as usual.

Once again, the real culprits are not so much the Muslims, but Europe and Britain's pathetically accommodating Leftwing politicians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjTLGgQV2w

Muslim antisemitism = bad.

Christian anti-Islamism = good.

Hypocrisy much?

Possible & Probable Threat Appraisal = Wise

Sensei, your bait is as usual colourful and exciting.  It should attract all the prey you need to your trolling nets!  Condell is a useful way of attracting your prey.  He follows the Way of the Troll!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:03am:

Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much?

Sensei follows The Way of the Troll!   :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Sensei follows The Way of the Troll!   :D ;D :D ;D :D

Soon, Herbie will be recording YouTube clips.

Trolling on whole new level.

Neither Mr Condell nor Herbie impress me and my giant intellect, friends. But he is right. Mr Condell? I don't listen to that peckerwood.

Here's the thing. Mr Condell can't see the woods for them big ass trees friend.

It was his gubbermint that caused it all.

No WWII? No half a million dead British men who died trying to fight The Bolshevik Slayer-General, Mr Hitler.

Who declared war on Germany? Mr Condell's gubbermint did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4edDlIGAd2g


No WWI? No half a million dead British men who died trying to contain them Germans.

Who started WWI? Mr Condell's gubbermint did, to contain Germany from becoming a nation of manufacturers who made cars people would actually pay money to drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHIZQLMo-0


No WWI? No WWII.

No WWI and No WWII? No need to immigrate them fine folks from Africa and the Middle East to make up fer all them native born Limey men.

1,000,000 Limey men dead and wounded and such? Y'all need to immitgrate them fine folks into yer society. Birth of Neo Soweto friends.

Them folks over in the Wilds of England call it the Great War.

The ROW calls it the Great Big Ass Mistake War.

;D ;D ;D

Billy Jack fo' prezdent I say! He done got ma vote. Yes ma'am.

Billy Jack wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Neither Mr Condell nor Herbie impress me and my giant intellect, friends.

Wait until Herbie starts trolling posting on YouTube.

You'll change your tune then.

Billy Jack wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Neither Mr Condell nor Herbie impress me and my giant intellect, friends. But he is right. Mr Condell? I don't listen to that peckerwood. Here's the thing. Mr Condell can't see the woods for them big ass trees friend. It was his gubbermint that caused it all. No WWII? No half a million dead British men who died trying to fight The Bolshevik Slayer-General, Mr Hitler. Who declared war on Germany? Mr Condell's gubbermint did. ..... No WWI? No half a million dead British men who died trying to contain them Germans. Who started WWI? Mr Condell's gubbermint did, to contain Germany from becoming a nation of manufacturers who made cars people would actually pay money to drive. ...... No WWI? No WWII. No WWI and No WWII? No need to immigrate them fine folks from Africa and the Middle East to make up fer all them native born Limey men. 1,000,000 Limey men dead and wounded and such? Y'all need to immitgrate them fine folks into yer society. Birth of Neo Soweto friends. Them folks over in the Wilds of England call it the Great War. The ROW calls it the Great Big Ass Mistake War.

I think he's talking English but one can't actually be sure.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:03am:

Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much?

Mulsim anti- head-keeping?  How's that rate?

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

;D ;D ;D Billy Jack fo' prezdent I say! He done got ma vote. Yes ma'am.

Friend, you gotta bring that Billy Jack down off'n that bridge where he makes a good livin' playin' thet banjo to them passing city slickers in little rowboats.... git him down off'n there an' git him t' school where he can larn t' be Prez-ee-dent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:03am:

Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much?

Thank you idiot.

Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race)
Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion).

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Thank you idiot. Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion).

You seem to be having such a hard time getting rid of your religious intolerance of anything other than Christianity.  Funny, hey?   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion).

Islamophobia = irrational hatred (you freely choose or reject your prejudices).

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion). Islamophobia = irrational hatred (you freely choose or reject your prejudices).

I would call a dislike for a death cult to be sensible.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:04am: Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion). Islamophobia = irrational hatred (you freely choose or reject your prejudices). I would call a dislike for a death cult to be sensible.

On yer bike Spike. Your hate propagation defines you.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:04am: Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion). Islamophobia = irrational hatred (you freely choose or reject your prejudices). I would call a dislike for a death cult to be sensible.

Absolutely. So would I.

However, I was talking about Sore End's Islamophobia.

I don't hate Muslims. I just hate them coming here. They have enough countries in the Middle East to ride a camel or so. At the same time I hate our army to be there. Western armies have absolutely no business in the Middle East. And we should never sell them any military equipment whatsoever.

Basically, we should be peaceful neighboring countries, trade a bit with each other and that's it. That's a libertarian view.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion). Islamophobia = irrational hatred (you freely choose or reject your prejudices).

A phobia is a fear not a hatred. You knew that, but you still cling to your own phobia. Which is the fear of the truth.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 11:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:04am: Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:03am: Muslim antisemitism = bad. Christian anti-Islamism = good. Hypocrisy much? Semitic =  race (there is nothing you can do about your race) Islamic = not race but religion (you freely choose or reject your religion). Islamophobia = irrational hatred (you freely choose or reject your prejudices). A phobia is a fear not a hatred. You knew that, but you still cling to your own phobia. Which is the fear of the truth.

Islamophobia: "hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia

1. (Psychology) "hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia

issuevoter wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 11:07pm:

A phobia is a fear not a hatred. You knew that, but you still cling to your own phobia. Which is the fear of the truth.

"The English suffixes -phobia, -phobic, -phobe (from Greek φόβος phobos, "fear") occur in technical usage in psychiatry to construct words that describe irrational, disabling fear as a mental disorder (e.g. agoraphobia), in chemistry to describe chemical aversions (e.g. hydrophobic), in biology to describe organisms that dislike certain conditions (e.g. acidophobia), and in medicine to describe hypersensitivity to a stimulus, usually sensory (e.g. photophobia). In common usage they also form words that describe dislike or hatred of a particular thing or subject."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias

http://www.ojohaven.com/fun/phobias.html

"Melophobia- Fear or hatred of music" http://phobialist.com/

"Metrophobia- Fear or hatred of poetry" http://phobialist.com/

etc etc.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:07pm: A phobia is a fear not a hatred. You knew that, but you still cling to your own phobia. Which is the fear of the truth. "The English suffixes -phobia, -phobic, -phobe (from Greek φόβος phobos, "fear") occur in technical usage in psychiatry to construct words that describe irrational, disabling fear as a mental disorder (e.g. agoraphobia), in chemistry to describe chemical aversions (e.g. hydrophobic), in biology to describe organisms that dislike certain conditions (e.g. acidophobia), and in medicine to describe hypersensitivity to a stimulus, usually sensory (e.g. photophobia). In common usage they also form words that describe dislike or hatred of a particular thing or subject." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias http://www.ojohaven.com/fun/phobias.html "Melophobia- Fear or hatred of music" http://phobialist.com/ "Metrophobia- Fear or hatred of poetry" http://phobialist.com/ etc etc.

.

None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead.

Islamophobia:

"1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture"


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia

FD was right, peccahead is a hypocrite Islamophobe.

Their politics is Sharia law which has 13 make that 14 countries with the Islamic state having the death penalty for becoming an atheist.
Peccahead supports the death penalty for apostasy or he is an Islamophobe according to his definition.

The Saudis use beheading to cure homosexuals,Iran hangs homosexuals, the Islamic state throws poofs from the tallest buildings and stones them to death if they survivie the fall.
Peccahead supports the Islamic death penalty for homosexuals or he is an Islamophobe according to his definition.

Muslims and their apologists have to redefine phobia to make a technically and logically incorrect term,all of peccaheads'cited phobia lists don't include Islamophobia,phobias are a medical condition and the medical profession doesn't recognise that bullshit word invented by muslims and taken up with gusto by their apologists.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/phobia
Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it's a fallacy one can be phobic of beliefs.

Gandalf is on record opposing the Islamic death penalty for apostasy,does that make him an Islamophobe according to peccahead?

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia FD was right, peccahead is a hypocrite Islamophobe. Their politics is Sharia law which has 13 make that 14 countries with the Islamic state having the death penalty for becoming an atheist. Peccahead supports the death penalty for apostasy or he is an Islamophobe according to his definition. The Saudis use beheading to cure homosexuals,Iran hangs homosexuals, the Islamic state throws poofs from the tallest buildings and stones them to death if they survivie the fall. Peccahead supports the Islamic death penalty for homosexuals or he is an Islamophobe according to his definition. Muslims and their apologists have to redefine phobia to make a technically and logically incorrect term,all of peccaheads'cited phobia lists don't include Islamophobia,phobias are a medical condition and the medical profession doesn't recognise that bullshit word invented by muslims and taken up with gusto by their apologists. dictionary.reference.com/browse/phobia Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it's a fallacy one can be phobic of beliefs. Gandalf is on record opposing the Islamic death penalty for apostasy,does that make him an Islamophobe according to peccahead?

Baronvonrort is an instigator and a hate propagator with no sense of humanity. He merely repeats Islamophobic and racist dogma and propaganda he trawls from the lowest life forms on the internet.

Baronvonrort knows nothing, and will never know anything, about Islam or its followers and is just a cheap shill for more powerful forces.

Baronvonrort has never socially interacted with muslims.

On yer bike Baronvonrort.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

FD was right, peccahead is a hypocrite Islamophobe.

Incorrect.

I don't hate or fear Muslims, or their politics or culture.

That's where you and I differ.

"Islamophobia: hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture".

Svengali wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Baronvonrort is an instigator and a hate propagator with no sense of humanity. He merely repeats Islamophobic and racist dogma and propaganda he trawls from the lowest life forms on the internet. Baronvonrort knows nothing, and will never know anything, about Islam or its followers and is just a cheap shill for more powerful forces.

And those are his good points.

mothra wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort is an instigator and a hate propagator with no sense of humanity. He merely repeats Islamophobic and racist dogma and propaganda he trawls from the lowest life forms on the internet. Baronvonrort knows nothing, and will never know anything, about Islam or its followers and is just a cheap shill for more powerful forces. Baronvonrort has never socially interacted with muslims. On yer bike Baronvonrort.

Seems to be a fair bit of that on this forum.

mothra wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 2:25pm: Baronvonrort is an instigator and a hate propagator with no sense of humanity. He merely repeats Islamophobic and racist dogma and propaganda he trawls from the lowest life forms on the internet. Baronvonrort knows nothing, and will never know anything, about Islam or its followers and is just a cheap shill for more powerful forces. Baronvonrort has never socially interacted with muslims. On yer bike Baronvonrort. Seems to be a fair bit of that on this forum.

We have members on here who want to force people to adapt to our culture, burn down places of worship, and assassinate political leaders.

Strangely though, the irony is lost on them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia

I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg:


Quote:

Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url]

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:18am: issuevoter wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:07pm: A phobia is a fear not a hatred. You knew that, but you still cling to your own phobia. Which is the fear of the truth. "The English suffixes -phobia, -phobic, -phobe (from Greek φόβος phobos, "fear") occur in technical usage in psychiatry to construct words that describe irrational, disabling fear as a mental disorder (e.g. agoraphobia), in chemistry to describe chemical aversions (e.g. hydrophobic), in biology to describe organisms that dislike certain conditions (e.g. acidophobia), and in medicine to describe hypersensitivity to a stimulus, usually sensory (e.g. photophobia). In common usage they also form words that describe dislike or hatred of a particular thing or subject." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias http://www.ojohaven.com/fun/phobias.html "Melophobia- Fear or hatred of music" http://phobialist.com/ "Metrophobia- Fear or hatred of poetry" http://phobialist.com/ etc etc. . None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead.

He's merely using the wrong definition, Baron.  Time you realised, your fear and hatred of all things Muslim is a typical example of Islamophobia.  Once you do, you can then correct your thinking but you won't be able to until you recognise it.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url]

All definitions apply.

"1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture"

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url] All definitions apply. "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture"

How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia?

Please explain.

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url] All definitions apply. "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia? Please explain.

Certainly.

Islamophobia is the hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture.

Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, and dumarsaphobia are not.

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url] All definitions apply. "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia? Please explain.

Only the mentally ill, mentally retarded and lower layers of dogma-infested society suffer from Islamophobia as exemplified by Soren.

Svengali wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url] All definitions apply. "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia? Please explain. Only the mentally ill, mentally retarded and lower layers of dogma-infested society suffer from Islamophobia as exemplified by Soren.

How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia?

Please explain.

If you can.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url] All definitions apply. "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia? Please explain. Certainly. Islamophobia is the hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture. Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, and dumarsaphobia are not.

So not every -phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element.
Naziphobia, dumasrsophobia, theocracyphobia lack the 'hatred' element, they restrict themselves only to irrational fear f Nazis, Theocrats and dumbarses

This sounds like an idea you came up with, dumbarse. It's hat stupid.

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:49am: Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:51am: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:47am: None of your links contain that technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia,perhaps that is a term only recognised by muslims and Islamic apologists like peccahead. Islamophobia: "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamophobia http://www.thefreedictionary.com/islamophobia I much prefer the Oxford University dictionary's definition, Greg: Quote: Islamophobia: Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url] All definitions apply. "1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture" How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia? Please explain. Only the mentally ill, mentally retarded and lower layers of dogma-infested society suffer from Islamophobia as exemplified by Soren. How is Islamophobia different to Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia? Please explain. If you can.

Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia are fantasy creations of a sick mind justifying Islamophobia.

Svengali wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia are fantasy creations of a sick mind justifying Islamophobia.

What do you love and cherish about Islam and invite into your own life? How has Islam improved you?

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:17pm: Naziphobia, theocracyphobia, dumarsaphobia are fantasy creations of a sick mind justifying Islamophobia. What do you love and cherish about Islam and invite into your own life? How has Islam improved you?

I am not a muslim so there is no answer to your question.

Better for Soren to answer how Islam has harmed Soren.

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element.

No.

Where'd you get that idea from?

Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element.

Quote:

In the Muslim majority (51%) area of Lakemba, Australia, small Muslim children in a mosque practice their beheading skills on a toy sheep, no doubt in preparation for future careers as halal butchers and/or ISIS/al-Qaeda/Taliban beheaders.

Youtube Link  From Here

Tap wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

Quote: In the Muslim majority (51%) area of Lakemba, Australia, small Muslim children in a mosque practice their beheading skills on a toy sheep, no doubt in preparation for future careers as halal butchers and/or ISIS/al-Qaeda/Taliban beheaders. Youtube Link  From Here

Yours should be safe then. It is firmly embedded in your anus.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:14pm: So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element. No. Where'd you get that idea from? Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:14pm: So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element. No. Where'd you get that idea from? Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element. There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Which they fail totally to articulate adequately, Soren, just as you do, except through hatred and fear of all things Islamic and Muslim...   ::)

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

There is no such thing as Islamophobia ...

Of course not, Sore End   ;)


Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

There are people who dislike Islam ...

And there are people who hate and/or fear everything about Islam and Muslims.  You know, Islamophobes.


Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Islamophobes, however, have an irrational fear and hatred.

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:14pm: So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element. No. Where'd you get that idea from? Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element. There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Which they fail totally to articulate adequately

Well, why don't you articulate it for them.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There is no such thing as Islamophobia ... Of course not, Sore End   ;) Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There are people who dislike Islam ... And there are people who hate and/or fear everything about Islam and Muslims.  You know, Islamophobes. Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Islamophobes, however, have an irrational fear and hatred.

What do you call those who dislike and criticise (not hate or fear) everything about Islam for perfectly good, rational reasons, berk?

ISIS has declared a Jihad against the western world. They have urged their supporters to act against westerners everywhere throughout the world.

You are not worried by this? You should be.

red baron wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:03pm:

ISIS has declared a Jihad against the western world. hey have urged their supporters to act against westerners everywhere throughout the world. You are not worried by this? You should be.

Let me know when/if they arrive with their guns in the Blue Mountains, Mr Baron.  I'll be down to give you a hand.

Aussie wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:05pm:

red baron wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:03pm: ISIS has declared a Jihad against the western world. hey have urged their supporters to act against westerners everywhere throughout the world. You are not worried by this? You should be. Let me know when/if they arrive with their guns in the Blue Mountains, Mr Baron.  I'll be down to give you a hand.

But if they are only at Martin Place you are not bovved?

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There is no such thing as Islamophobia ... Of course not, Sore End   ;) Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There are people who dislike Islam ... And there are people who hate and/or fear everything about Islam and Muslims.  You know, Islamophobes. Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Islamophobes, however, have an irrational fear and hatred. What do you call those who dislike and criticise (not hate or fear) everything about Islam for perfectly good, rational reasons, berk?

What "perfectly good, rational reasons"?

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:05pm: red baron wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:03pm: ISIS has declared a Jihad against the western world. hey have urged their supporters to act against westerners everywhere throughout the world. You are not worried by this? You should be. Let me know when/if they arrive with their guns in the Blue Mountains, Mr Baron.  I'll be down to give you a hand. But if they are only at Martin Place you are not bovved?

Some Islam outcast nutty wanke r goes nuttier and you want to ............. ??

(Doh......we've been here a zillion times before.)

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for.

What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End?


https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There is no such thing as Islamophobia ... Of course not, Sore End   ;) Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There are people who dislike Islam ... And there are people who hate and/or fear everything about Islam and Muslims.  You know, Islamophobes. Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Islamophobes, however, have an irrational fear and hatred. What do you call those who dislike and criticise (not hate or fear) everything about Islam for perfectly good, rational reasons, berk? What "perfectly good, rational reasons"?

For what?

There would have been a nasty one in Melbourne if the Intelligence Service had not discovered it before Anzac Day. You see.....these things are just going to bob up.  Because that's what a Jihad against the west is. Just keep grinding away and upping the ante.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:14pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There is no such thing as Islamophobia ... Of course not, Sore End   ;) Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: There are people who dislike Islam ... And there are people who hate and/or fear everything about Islam and Muslims.  You know, Islamophobes. Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Islamophobes, however, have an irrational fear and hatred. What do you call those who dislike and criticise (not hate or fear) everything about Islam for perfectly good, rational reasons, berk? What "perfectly good, rational reasons"? For what?

Concentrate, Sore End.

It's your direct quote.

So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for. What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End? https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg

;D ;D ;D

What an own goal, that picture.

What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises.

You are such a silly berk.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about?

You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad?

red baron wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

There would have been a nasty one in Melbourne if the Intelligence Service had not discovered it before Anzac Day. You see.....these things are just going to bob up.  Because that's what a Jihad against the west is. Just keep grinding away and upping the ante.

Horseshit.  Wanke rs plotting like when I was 5/6/7.  My mate and I planned on paper decisive and murderous action against the Souix and any other mob of Red Indians we could think of.

Phew, we got away with that, and here we are.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:24pm: Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for. What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End? https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg ;D ;D ;D What an own goal, that picture. What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises. You are such a silly berk.

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags.

You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member.

Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians?

Take your time ...

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:27pm: So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about? You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad?

I don't fear and hate everything about Islam and Muslims.

I'm not an Islamophobe.

Concentrate.

red baron wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

There would have been a nasty one in Melbourne ...

Really?

Who told you that?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:27pm: So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about? You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad? I don't fear and hate everything about Islam and Muslims. I'm not an Islamophobe. Concentrate.

I asked you about your reasons for disliking Islam.  ARe they not rational reasons?


A minute ago you didn't seem to be able to conceive any good, rational reasons for disliking Islam. Did you finally click and learned to like Islam?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End. As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Stop with the sleight of hand - equating criticism of Islam with hate of all Muslims -  it's very, very obvious, it has been spotted endlessly.  It's a tired old trick nobody falls for anyone.

Yes, you are thick, yes, you are resistant to light but even for you, persisting with such crap should be passe.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:37pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:27pm: So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about? You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad? I don't fear and hate everything about Islam and Muslims. I'm not an Islamophobe. Concentrate. I asked you about your reasons for disliking Islam ...

... as a way of taking the attention away from you, and avoiding the question of why you have a hatred and fear of all Muslims and everything to do with Islam.

Why are you an Islamophobe?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:24pm: Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for. What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End? https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg ;D ;D ;D What an own goal, that picture. What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises. You are such a silly berk. Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End. As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life. Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags. You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member. Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians? Take your time ...

But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'???

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:35pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:24pm: Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for. What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End? https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg ;D ;D ;D What an own goal, that picture. What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises. You are such a silly berk. Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End. As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life. Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags. You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member. Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians? Take your time ... But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'???

Not that I'm aware.

Are you calling those women racists?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:35pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:24pm: Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for. What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End? https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg ;D ;D ;D What an own goal, that picture. What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises. You are such a silly berk. Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End. As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life. Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags. You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member. Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians? Take your time ... But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'??? Not that I'm aware. Are you calling those women racists?

Well you seemed to think so back in January...


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421819034/all

"Not everybody, no.

However those that wear it as a cape, and those that fly it from their vehicles, are almost certainly bogans."

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:54pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:35pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 5:24pm: Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for. What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End? https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-australian-flag-hijab.jpg ;D ;D ;D What an own goal, that picture. What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises. You are such a silly berk. Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End. As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life. Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags. You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member. Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians? Take your time ... But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'??? Not that I'm aware. Are you calling those women racists? Well you seemed to think so back in January... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421819034/all "Not everybody, no. However those that wear it as a cape, and those that fly it from their vehicles, are almost certainly bogans."

I think there's something missing.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:17pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:14pm: So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element. No. Where'd you get that idea from? Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element. There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Which they fail totally to articulate adequately Well, why don't you articulate it for them.

How can I?  I don't suffer from the malady, Soren.  I have no experience of what you suffer from!   ::)

Who the hell suffers from Islamophobia? I normally consider it worthwhile to keep Muslims up to date with the 21st century standards. It may not change them much for the better, but at least you can't say that you have not tried.

I would be suffering under Islamic rule. That's why the Muslims keep running away from Islamic nations.

Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
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This year’s Islamophobe of the Year was the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo — obviously, murdering the people who ran the magazine was not quite enough for the IHRC. It thought Charlie Hebdo needed another bash over the head. Incidentally, the IHRC is considered to be one of the more liberal and humanitarian Islamic organisations in the UK.
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There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. [see list above]
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamophobic-that-i-have-to-say-all-at-once/

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 7:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:17pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:14pm: So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element. No. Where'd you get that idea from? Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element. There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Which they fail totally to articulate adequately Well, why don't you articulate it for them. How can I?  I don't suffer from the malady, Soren.  I have no experience of what you suffer from!   ::)

Are you saying that anyone who completely rejects Islam is suffering from a malady, is irrational and is full of hatred and fear? That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

If you are not saying that, then what is the correct word for the rational and complete rejection of Islam as a religion and an ideology?

Or must we all accept and like and uphold some aspects of Islam? (which ones?)

Islam gives the left a big woody just as communism used to in the past, Islam, finally a religion the idiot left can embrace but only because its fascist, violent and illogical ... just like them   :D

Soren wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 12:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 7:38pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 4:17pm: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm: Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 6:14pm: So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element. No. Where'd you get that idea from? Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element. There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. Which they fail totally to articulate adequately Well, why don't you articulate it for them. How can I?  I don't suffer from the malady, Soren.  I have no experience of what you suffer from!   ::) Are you saying that anyone who completely rejects Islam is suffering from a malady, is irrational and is full of hatred and fear?

No.


Quote:

That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

Of course there is.  Problem is, you don't do it because of your malady.


Quote:

If you are not saying that, then what is the correct word for the rational and complete rejection of Islam as a religion and an ideology?

Perhaps not continually persecuting Muslims for their choice?


Quote:

Or must we all accept and like and uphold some aspects of Islam? (which ones?)

Nope.

Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
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This year’s Islamophobe of the Year was the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo — obviously, murdering the people who ran the magazine was not quite enough for the IHRC. It thought Charlie Hebdo needed another bash over the head. Incidentally, the IHRC is considered to be one of the more liberal and humanitarian Islamic organisations in the UK.
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There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. [see list above]
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamophobic-that-i-have-to-say-all-at-once/

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 12:04am: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 7:38pm: Are you saying that anyone who completely rejects Islam is suffering from a malady, is irrational and is full of hatred and fear? No. Quote: That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam? Of course there is.  Problem is, you don't do it because of your malady. [quote] If you are not saying that, then what is the correct word for the rational and complete rejection of Islam as a religion and an ideology? Perhaps not continually persecuting Muslims for their choice? [quote] Or must we all accept and like and uphold some aspects of Islam? (which ones?)

Nope.
[/quote]


SO tell us what is a reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

I've watched some of them ... and i respectfully disagree.

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:09pm: mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam.. I've watched some of them ... and i respectfully disagree.

Well you are allowed to...BUT, he's still right..

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

They're all comedy skits, actually.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:09pm: mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam.. They're all comedy skits, actually.

Only according to Islamic apologists like you greg..

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:28pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:09pm: mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam.. They're all comedy skits, actually. Only according to Islamic apologists like you greg..

You've mistaken me for someone else.

I have no time for Islam, and have said so on several occasions.

Condell is a comedian, and his videos are tongue in cheek comedy skits.

He's sucked you in, hook line & sinker, and you can't even see that it's happened.

It's priceless.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

What a shame he fails as an entertainer though, Gizmo...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:09pm: mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first. Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam.. What a shame he fails as an entertainer though, Gizmo...   ::)

Gizmo thinks that Dame Edna is a woman.

;)

It;s a little bit hilarious and a little bit frightening when satire becomes truth to the observer.

You gotta question yourself at that point don't you?

mothra wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 12:10am:

It;s a little bit hilarious and a little bit frightening when satire becomes truth to the observer. You gotta question yourself at that point don't you?

I find it hilarious.

The fact that these fools don't understand what Condell is doing is just hysterical to me.

Takes all kinds, I suppose.

The idiot lefts outrage meter is hovering around apoplectic, it can only mean one thing, Pat Condell is right on the money.  ;D

Labors Ed Miliband promised to take care of people like pat Condell once and for all ... and where is Ed now? , he got taken care of instead  ;D ... but Pats still here, good onya Pat.  :)

"incurably progressive, or just plain out of their minds." Nice one Pat.

.....

Noam Chomsky (Jan 2015) "We Are All ... Fill in the Blank"

The world reacted with horror to the murderous attack on the French satirical journal Charlie Hebdo. In the NY Times, Europe correspondent Steven Erlanger graphically described the immediate aftermath, what many call France’s 9/11, as “a day of sirens, helicopters in the air, frantic news bulletins; of police cordons and anxious crowds; of young children led away from schools to safety. It was a day, like the previous two, of blood and horror in and around Paris.” The enormous outcry worldwide was accompanied by reflection about the deeper roots of the atrocity. “Many Perceive a Clash of Civilizations,” a NY Times headline read.

The reaction of horror and revulsion about the crime is justified, as is the search for deeper roots, as long as we keep some principles firmly in mind. The reaction should be completely independent of what one thinks about this journal and what it produces. The passionate and ubiquitous chants “I am Charlie,” and the like, should not be meant to indicate, even hint at, any association with the journal, at least in the context of defense of freedom of speech. Rather, they should express defense of the right of free expression whatever one thinks of the contents, even if they are regarded as hateful and depraved.

And the chants should also express condemnation for violence and terror. The head of Israel’s Labor Party, Isaac Herzog, is quite right when he says that “Terrorism is terrorism. There’s no two ways about it.” He is also right to say that “All the nations that seek peace and freedom [face] an enormous challenge” from murderous terrorism – putting aside his predictably selective interpretation of the challenge.

Erlanger vividly describes the scene of horror; “Everything crashed. There was no way out. There was smoke everywhere. It was terrible. People were screaming. It was like a nightmare.” Another surviving journalist reported a “huge detonation, and everything went completely dark.” The scene, Erlanger reported, “was an increasingly familiar one of smashed glass, broken walls, twisted timbers, scorched paint and emotional devastation.” At least 10 people were reported at once to have died in the explosion, with 20 missing, “presumably buried in the rubble.”

These quotes, as David Peterson reminds us, are not, however, from January 2015. Rather, they are from a story of Erlanger’s on April 24 1999, which made it only to page 6 of the NY Times. Erlanger was reporting on the NATO (meaning US) “missile attack on Serbian state television headquarters” that “knocked Radio Television Serbia off the air.”

There was an official justification. “NATO and American officials defended the attack,” Erlanger reports, “as an effort to undermine the regime of President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia.” A Pentagon spokesman told a briefing in Washington that “Serb TV is as much a part of Milosevic's murder machine as his military is,” hence a legitimate target of attack.

The Yugoslavian government said that “The entire nation is with our President, Slobodan Milosevic,” Erlanger reports, adding that “How the Government knows that with such precision was not clear.”

No such sardonic comments are in order when we read that France mourns the dead and the world is outraged by the atrocity. There need also be no inquiry into the deeper roots, no profound questions about who stands for civilization, and who for barbarism.

Isaac Herzog, then, is mistaken when he says that “Terrorism is terrorism. There’s no two ways about it.” There are quite definitely two ways about it: terrorism is not terrorism when a much more severe terrorist attack is carried out by those who are Righteous by virtue of their power. Similarly, there is no assault against freedom of speech when the Righteous destroy a TV channel supportive of a government that they are attacking.

By the same token, we can readily comprehend the comment in the NY Times of civil rights lawyer Floyd Abrams, noted for his forceful defense of freedom of expression, that the Charlie Hebdo attack is “the most threatening assault on journalism in living memory.” He is quite correct about “living memory,” which carefully assigns assaults on journalism and acts of terror to their proper categories: Theirs, which are horrendous; and Ours, which are virtuous and easily dismissed from living memory.

We might recall as well that this is only one of many assaults by the Righteous on free expression. To mention only one example that is easily erased from “living memory,” the assault on Falluja by US forces in November 2004, one of the worst crimes of the invasion of Iraq, opened with occupation of Falluja General Hospital. Military occupation of a hospital is, of course, a serious war crime in itself, even apart from the manner in which it was carried out, blandly reported in a front-page story in the NY Times, accompanied with a photograph depicting the crime. The story reported that “Patients and hospital employees were rushed out of rooms by armed soldiers and ordered to sit or lie on the floor while troops tied their hands behind their backs.” The crimes were reported as highly meritorious, and justified: “The offensive also shut down what officers said was a propaganda weapon for the militants: Falluja General Hospital, with its stream of reports of civilian casualties.”

Evidently such a propaganda agency cannot be permitted to spew forth its vulgar obscenities.

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

I can only conclude that you cannot read anything more than 3 lines long - or if you can sound it out, you do not comprehend it.

Try again:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_debate.html Christopher Hitchens is critical of al religions, including Islam.

Or try to read or listen to Bernard Lewis, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University. You don't get top be a Professor Emeritus at Princeton by being an irrational Islamophobe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql8qG0GADVs


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2001/11/19/the-revolt-of-islam

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 12:04am: That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam? Of course there is.  Problem is, you don't do it because of your malady.

Show me an example of a reasonable way of completely rejecting Islam.  You say there is such a way.