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Title: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

Get with the program wally - the forum is called "extremism exposed" but we all know that means "bash muslims".

Why shouldn't i criticise, every moslem resident, here in Australia ?

Why shouldn't Australians criticise, every moslem resident, here in Australia ?

gandalf,

Why shouldn't Australians criticise, and be critical of, every moslem who resides in Australia,

...when every moslem in Australia, is a person who follows a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs ?

When [by definition] every moslem in Australia, clearly sanctions EVERY atrocity like this one

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These Christians are being 'lawfully' executed by moslems, following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.

The 'crime' of these Christians ?

Was rejecting ISLAM. !!!

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MORE EVIDENCE --------- >

https://cofda.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/yasir-qadhi.jpg?w=750&h=725
IMAGE....

Yasir Qadhi (aka Abu Ammaar Yasir Kazi) - is a college professor in the USA

n.b.
What Yasir Qadhi has been recorded publicly sanctioning and encouraging [i.e. among moslems], is totally 'lawful' to moslems.
[.....that is what he will claim, anyway]

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Quote:

U.S. imam: Muslims can take the property of Christians and Jews
Posted on November 9, 2013

.....This hate-spewing man is not only an imam (the word means a teacher of Islam) but a college professor in Tennessee!

If a Christian preacher or college professor had said this about another religious group — Jews, or Buddhists, or Muslims — it would be the leading news on all the mainstream media.

https://cofda.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/u-s-imam-muslims-can-take-the-property-of-christians-and-jews/

FURTHER INFORMATION.....

Quote:

......He says, since “there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah wuzza wuzza,”

Christians are “by necessity and by definition … the most evil of all evils.”

Like all “unbelievers” and “polytheists,” Christians are “filthy.”

They are “najusa” (feces, urine) — “a filthy impure dirty substance.”

Qadhi declares that the prophet Mohammad — and by extension all Muslims — “has been commanded to do jihad.”

What is jihad?

Jihad “is a means to establish monotheism on the land.”

The prophet had said, “I have been commanded to fight the people until they” convert to Islam.

But “if they don’t [convert to Islam,] their life and property are halal [free for the taking] for the Muslims.”

We Australians allow these monsters to live among us.

They are called moslems.

Moslems follow a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs.

So what do you think that most of them are going to aspire to be ???

DUH!

Yadda said....

Quote:

All moslems are monsters in human form, imo.

How do i justify such an accusation ?

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Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421158879/6#6

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FURTHER EVIDENCE ----------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:25pm

Note well;

I am not sanctioning nor encouraging any person to engage in violent acts against moslems.

Don't do that!

We, Australians, should confront moslems, with our laws.

And if need be, our parliamentarians should collectively 'grow a pair', and OUTLAW the practice of ISLAM, within Australia.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions of society in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes, then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.

Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:45pm

IMAGE.....

IMAGE.....

These Christians are being 'lawfully' executed by moslems, following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.

The 'crime' of these Christians ?

Was rejecting ISLAM. !!!

.

Yadda said....

Quote:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by issuevoter on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 6:59am

Yeah, they do it because the Koran and Mo tell them to, But they also seem to enjoy cutting people's heads off. Note the deafening outcry against it in the Muslim world.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am

I always find it interesting Y. that you claim we should confront and criticise Muslims in Australia for what Muslims overseas do in the name of Islam. Since when were Muslims in Australia responsible for what Muslims do overseas? Since when were Australians responsible for anything that occurs overseas at the hands of other people? Are Christians responsible therefore for what Joseph Kony does in the name of Christianity? I suspect you'd say, "No!"

Well, Australian Muslims aren't responsible for how others twist and misuse the teachings of Mohammed. You are! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:32am

issuevoter wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 6:59am:

Yeah, they do it because the Koran and Mo tell them to, But they also seem to enjoy cutting people's heads off. Note the deafening outcry against it in the Muslim world.

Appears you've missed the "Not in my name!" campaign... Perhaps because Rupert doesn't mention it? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by gandalf on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Since when were Muslims in Australia responsible for what Muslims do overseas? Since when were Australians responsible for anything that occurs overseas at the hands of other people?

Muslim == a follower of ISLAM

+ + + + +

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by gandalf on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 6:59am:

Yeah, they do it because the Koran and Mo tell them to, But they also seem to enjoy cutting people's heads off. Note the deafening outcry against it in the Muslim world.

Appears you've missed the "Not in my name!" campaign... Perhaps because Rupert doesn't mention it? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

google: taqqiya

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 6:59am:

Yeah, they do it because the Koran and Mo tell them to, But they also seem to enjoy cutting people's heads off. Note the deafening outcry against it in the Muslim world.

Appears you've missed the "Not in my name!" campaign... Perhaps because Rupert doesn't mention it? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

google: taqqiya

Amazing how 1.6 billion Muslims seem happy to lie to each other, to others and even themselves G.! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by gandalf on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

They have no choice HB:

muslim == a follower of ISLAM

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by wally1 on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 3:48pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:25pm:

If they want to destroy all institutions then how come muslims have schools, businesses, mosques etc?

Do you actually think before you type?

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by gandalf on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

Quote:

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions of society in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

- there's your answer Wally - muslim institutions are obviously anti-helping to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:16am

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

I always find it interesting Y. that you claim we should confront and criticise Muslims in Australia for what Muslims overseas do in the name of Islam.

IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"
Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

IMAGE.....

IMAGE.....

These Egyptian Christians are being 'lawfully' executed by moslems in Libya, by moslems who are following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.

The 'crime' of these Christians ?

Was 'insulting' ISLAM [...by rejecting ISLAM]. !!!

.

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Since when were Muslims in Australia responsible for what Muslims do overseas?

IMAGE...

"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISLAM and moslems.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

'Aussie' moslems demanding the 'religious' right, to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

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|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Since when were Australians responsible for anything that occurs overseas at the hands of other people?

IMAGE.....

'Aussie' moslem, Bilal Merhi

Here is 'Aussie' moslem [another moslem paragon of virtue and 'peace'], Bilal Merhi, in Indonesia.

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Quote:

"......Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle [i.e. 1st the lawful 'stealth' Jihad [ >>>>>> "ISLAM is a peaceful faith."], then later, there will be the hot Jihad, in Australia]....."

-------- > goto 1m 40s

Muslims brainwash children in Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

In the YT [above] watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

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|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Are Christians responsible therefore for what Joseph Kony does in the name of Christianity? I suspect you'd say, "No!"

"No!"

Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

"ISLAM is peace."

Honest! :P

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:21am

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

I always find it interesting Y. that you claim we should confront and criticise Muslims in Australia for what Muslims overseas do in the name of Islam.....

.....Well, Australian Muslims aren't responsible for how others twist and misuse the teachings of Mohammed.

In what way are moslems in Australia not responsible ?

...when every moslem in Australia, is a person who follows a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs ?

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STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

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MORE EVIDENCE --------- >

https://cofda.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/yasir-qadhi.jpg?w=750&h=725
IMAGE....

Yasir Qadhi (aka Abu Ammaar Yasir Kazi) - is a college professor in the USA

n.b.
What Yasir Qadhi has been recorded publicly sanctioning and encouraging [i.e. among moslems], is totally 'lawful' to moslems.
[.....that is what he will claim, anyway]

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Quote:

https://cofda.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/u-s-imam-muslims-can-take-the-property-of-christians-and-jews/

FURTHER INFORMATION.....

Quote:

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:37am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

They have no choice HB:

muslim == a follower of ISLAM

Exactly so gandalf.

And that, is the damning fact and circumstance.

That, although moslems have the gift to live in a secular nation like Australia, moslems do not choose to denounce ISLAM.

Instead, the moslem community ~~uses~~ exploits the the rights and freedoms that secular nations like Australia 'gift' to its moslem citizens, so as to strengthen their own corrupt [moslem] 'camp'.

.

ISLAM is a philosophy which promotes and encourages moslems [who live within a stronger non-moslem jurisdiction] to engage in a relationship of veiled hostility towards that non-moslem jurisdiction.

And then, when many moslem individuals 'fail to thrive' within any non-moslem jurisdiction, the moslem community en-masse claim victimhood status, and insistently claim that moslems are the victims of hostility and prejudice from non-moslems.

Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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Yadda said....

Quote:

QUESTIONS;

If some moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, which clearly ISLAM is, and promotes ?

If moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ?

Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ?

How credible is such a claim ?

How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a >> moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then, again, why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

n.b.
According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

e.g.
"O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong."
Koran 9.23

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MORE DAMNING EVIDENCE #1

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

Muslims brainwash children in Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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MORE DAMNING EVIDENCE #2

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

They have no choice HB:

muslim == a follower of ISLAM

Exactly so gandalf.

PERTINENT QUESTIONS;

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with what the Koran is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with who Mohammed [the messenger of Allah] is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with what the sunnah of Mohammed is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with what the Shahada is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with the religious obligations to Allah, that every moslem has [so as to be able to remain a bona fide moslem, and have a chance at Allah's paradise] ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

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STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

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FURTHER EVIDENCE ----------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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To moslems, disbelievers are not 'innocent people'.

Moslems can 'lawfully' kill any non-moslem who rejects ISLAM.

That is mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by wally1 on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:00am

Do you ever come up with new posts yadda?

Nearly every single post of your is the same and you recycle the same posts over and over, you put up the same quotes and photos of people going back 10 years.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Phemanderac on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:42am

Why shouldn't you criticise? That's a silly question, of course you should criticise.

I am curious why though you are not more critical of much more than just Islamic radicalisation....

Why should I, for example, not be more critical of the society that I live in more broadly. Why shouldn't I be critical say of the Catholic Church (that ol' chestnut of hypocrisy in this morass of criticism and angst)....?

Why shouldn't I (or you for that matter) be more critical of the negative impact that global corporatisation has on the battlers/workers/average people of this country?

Mate, you can, quite clearly, be as critical as you like, as demonstrated by your ongoing one eyed criticism of moslems (yep, every moslem and not just in Australia quite clearly)....

So, I think the thread title is being a bit of a drama queen to be honest. Nothing stopping you from criticising, in fact, as just one poster who quite openly would treat said criticism with contempt (as is my right), I would encourage you to broaden your horizons. There is a whole lot more nasty going on than just terrorism, or islamic radicalisation.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Karnal on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 9:16am

Phemanderac wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

You can’t say that, P. That’s offensive.

Stick to the Moslems, please.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:55am

Yadda wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

In what way are moslems in Australia not responsible ?

...when every moslem in Australia, is a person who follows a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs ?

So, every Muslim praises "homicidal maniacs"? You have questioned every Muslim in Australia, from the youngest to the oldest Y? Really? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by gandalf on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Really HB - you should know by now Yadda will happily go on till Kingdom Come with his unfalsifiable logic.

He is the very definition of pointless debate.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Really HB - you should know by now Yadda will happily go on till Kingdom Come with his unfalsifiable logic.

He is the very definition of pointless debate.

That maybe true. Of course, as a Muslim you could be practicing Taqiyya on me! How will I know? I am just so confused now, G.! Which is of course why I have chosen The Way! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:31am

wally1 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

Do you ever come up with new posts yadda?

Oh i can assure you wally1, .....i am looking for new material all of the time!

So much to do, so little time. :-?

wally1,

I would encourage you to just look at the evidences, published here, EVERYDAY!!!

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Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:49am

Phemanderac wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

Why shouldn't you criticise? That's a silly question, of course you should criticise.

I am curious why though you are not more critical of much more than just Islamic radicalisation....

Phemanderac,

I'm one eyed, i'm a Cyclops,

But more seriously, a modern rampant ISLAM, poses the greatest moral threat to all of mankind today, imo.

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Quote:

Why should I, for example, not be more critical of the society that I live in more broadly. Why shouldn't I be critical say of the Catholic Church (that ol' chestnut of hypocrisy in this morass of criticism and angst)....?

Why shouldn't I (or you for that matter) be more critical of the negative impact that global corporatisation has on the battlers/workers/average people of this country?

Mate, you can, quite clearly, be as critical as you like, as demonstrated by your ongoing one eyed criticism of moslems (yep, every moslem and not just in Australia quite clearly)....

So, I think the thread title is being a bit of a drama queen to be honest. Nothing stopping you from criticising, in fact, as just one poster who quite openly would treat said criticism with contempt (as is my right), I would encourage you to broaden your horizons. There is a whole lot more nasty going on than just terrorism, or islamic radicalisation.

Phemanderac,

I am critical of every individual or organisation that tries to avoid consequences for the the wrongdoing which they have done in the past, or have enabled and facilitated in the past, including individuals, governments, corporations, and churches.

But i repeat;
A modern rampant ISLAM, poses the greatest moral threat to all of mankind today, imo.

But don't fret Phemanderac.

You, and i, are free, everyday, to make our own choices.

Indeed, everyone of us who draws breath, is able to choose for ourselves, how we conduct ourselves. [....and i firmly believe that [eventually!] we will all answer for all of our choices in this life.]

Psalms 37:1
Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:59am

I thought Christians believed in predetermination? God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it! The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2015 at 12:18pm

|dev|null wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:59am:

I thought Christians believed in predetermination?

God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!

The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!

That is right Hot_Breath, you are predestined to fail and to be rejected.          :o

:)

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Predestined for redemption or wrath ?

'God' is unfair ?

Isn't God being unjust to those, who all along, he says, were predestined to be rejected ?

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

God the potter

Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Romans 9:18
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

see also, Jeremiah 18

God is just WRONG, isn't he!!!!!             :o

Why don't you tell him, when you meet his spirit.

"Hey God!!!!! YOU, made me do what i knew i shouldn't!"

Good luck with that!          ;)

;D

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2015 at 1:25pm

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 12:18pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:59am:

I thought Christians believed in predetermination?

God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!

The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!

That is right Hot_Breath, you are predestined to fail and to be rejected. :o

:)

Yadda said....

Quote:

God promises redemption, to those who do NOT 'go native' here, ....to those who instead, 'seek him'.

How do we 'do' that ?

How do we 'seek' God.

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Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Title: Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Post by Hot Breath on May 1^st, 2015 at 1:33pm

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 12:18pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:59am:

I thought Christians believed in predetermination?

God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!

The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!

That is right Hot_Breath, you are predestined to fail and to be rejected. :o

:)

Interesting how you seem to take pleasure in my supposed failure, according to your measure of your own religion Y. So much for Christianity's willingness to forgive and be merciful to sinners! Hypocrite! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D