The debate ran for approximately 1hr 45min.

At the start of the debate the host told the audience to use the electronic polling controls they had been given to say if they agreed or disagreed with this statement.

Here's what the audience decided:

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And then the debate proceeded for well over an hour.

The host then asked this audience to vote 'Yes' or 'No' to the question of whether they thought 'Islam is a religion of peace'.


The result now came out as:

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/poll%202.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGmv5TGaTc

What this highlights is that the fence-sitters out there in society are in dire need of an education on the subject of Islam.

around the 49 minute mark - the moderator destroys Hirsi-Ali's entire argument in one stroke: if islam can really be whatever you want it to be - then the peaceful muslims get to dictate it being a religion of peace.

Do the same debate in front of a muslim audience and make the title "Is judaism a religion of peace".

No guessing what the result will be

wally1 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

Do the same debate in front of a muslim audience and make the title "Is judaism a religion of peace". No guessing what the result will be

Ive never heard any Jew ever say that Judaism is a religion of peace, especially after killing a bunch of people they don't like; so excellent comparison there, wal.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

around the 49 minute mark - the moderator destroys Hirsi-Ali's entire argument in one stroke: if islam can really be whatever you want it to be - then the peaceful muslims get to dictate it being a religion of peace.

You know as well as I do that Islam does not allow for any sort of wriggle-room that deviates from the immutable Word of Allah as revealed through the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) ~ and therefore any other scriptural scenarios of a whimsical and 'interpretive' nature are invalid and redundant.

ISIS are in fact practicing True Islam to the letter. They are not a deviant minority ~ but are in fact conscientious exponents of the undiluted and faithful version of Islam as it was always intended to be.

wally1 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

Do the same debate in front of a muslim audience and make the title "Is judaism a religion of peace". No guessing what the result will be

Does Israel gratuitously initiate rocket attacks against its neighbouring countries, or do they only fire their weapons after they have come under attack from those around them?

What I found utterly appalling about the debate was that so many in the audience pressed the "I Haven't a bugger** Clue" button at the start of the debate.

Looking at the audience you could see they were a well-dressed, well-educated Middle Class lot ~ and not a bunch of undergraduate ignoramuses.

That shocked me. There's something wrong with America's news and information services that so many in the audience had not yet worked out the highly volatile nature of fundamentalist Islam.

The fact that so many of these adults found themselves better informed after viewing this debate for only a short time is testimony to the fact that a great many Americans are being kept in the dark about Islam's potential for destroying Western nations ~ that Newt Gingrich spoke so eloquently about not so long ago.

islams not a religion.

it's a cult

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

islams not a religion. it's a cult

No ~ it's a religion.

Call it a 'cult' - and the apologists will use that to say that the cult of Islamist brutality is something separate and distinct from True Islam.

We mustn't give them anywhere to hide.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

You know as well as I do that Islam does not allow for any sort of wriggle-room

And yet thats literally the entire premise of Hirsi-Ali's argument. In fact she's just written an entire book on the potential "wriggle room" in Islam. You really should take more notice of the arguments you assume support your views.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

What I found utterly appalling about the debate was that so many in the audience pressed the "I Haven't a bugger** Clue" button at the start of the debate. Looking at the audience you could see they were a well-dressed, well-educated Middle Class lot ~ and not a bunch of undergraduate ignoramuses. That shocked me. There's something wrong with America's news and information services that so many in the audience had not yet worked out the highly volatile nature of fundamentalist Islam. The fact that so many of these adults found themselves better informed after viewing this debate for only a short time is testimony to the fact that a great many Americans are being kept in the dark about Islam's potential for destroying Western nations ~ that Newt Gingrich spoke so eloquently about not so long ago.

You really do have problems when people state their true lack of knowledge about Islam, don't you, Herbie?   ::)

exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb.

Give us one thing worth knowing about Islam other than its justification of the murder of infidels. Of course if you are dead it will not be of much use. Try telling the Kenyans who their lost children recently. You people are such a bunch of liars.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 6:31am:

exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb.

Sensei does not get angry.  He follows The Way!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

issuevoter wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 6:46am:

Give us one thing worth knowing about Islam other than its justification of the murder of infidels. Of course if you are dead it will not be of much use. Try telling the Kenyans who their lost children recently. You people are such a bunch of liars.

You shouldn't have any problem demonstrating our lies then...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 6:31am:

exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb.

Ah, the price of Freeeedom is eternal taqiyya, eh?

Nuke them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: You know as well as I do that Islam does not allow for any sort of wriggle-room And yet thats literally the entire premise of Hirsi-Ali's argument. In fact she's just written an entire book on the potential "wriggle room" in Islam. You really should take more notice of the arguments you assume support your views.

I wrote a nice reply back to you, Gandy ~ then checked a date using Google ~ and then couldn't get back here. Happens every day, and it's just too much a waste of my time and efforts. I'm pretty much done here.

In a word ~ I've conceded the point to you.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:43am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:42pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: You know as well as I do that Islam does not allow for any sort of wriggle-room And yet thats literally the entire premise of Hirsi-Ali's argument. In fact she's just written an entire book on the potential "wriggle room" in Islam. You really should take more notice of the arguments you assume support your views. I wrote a nice reply back to you, Gandy ~ then checked a date using Google ~ and then couldn't get back here. Happens every day, and it's just too much a waste of my time and efforts. I'm pretty much done here. In a word ~ I've conceded the point to you.

Such heinous, vaccilating and traitorous spineless apologism will be dealt with in the fullness of time.

My only wish.is that you could live to see the day, Herbie.

How about this one? Islam is a religion of peace. I'll bet you Hot Breath did not even watch the video. Your too busy playing with your emoticons.

issuevoter wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 4:10pm:

How about this one? Islam is a religion of peace..

That’s a good one, Issue. Moh must have had a sense of hommos.

You know, like Sprint.

Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick.

issuevoter wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick.

Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors.

You obviously live in a cave

wally1 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 8:11am:

issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:36pm: Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick. Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors. You obviously live in a cave

An airport is a non-muslim event too, but the metal detectors are post 9-11 due to the threat from Muslim nut jobs. Islam is not a religion of peace.

issuevoter wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

wally1 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 8:11am: issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:36pm: Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick. Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors. You obviously live in a cave An airport is a non-muslim event too, but the metal detectors are post 9-11 due to the threat from Muslim nut jobs. Islam is not a religion of peace.

You must be very young if you believe that metal detectors only appeared in our airports after 9/11!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

issuevoter wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

wally1 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 8:11am: issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:36pm: Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick. Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors. You obviously live in a cave An airport is a non-muslim event too, but the metal detectors are post 9-11 due to the threat from Muslim nut jobs. Islam is not a religion of peace.

Its not my fault halve wits run the government and put pressure on australians who had no connections to 911.

wally1 wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 7:24am: wally1 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 8:11am: issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:36pm: Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick. Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors. You obviously live in a cave An airport is a non-muslim event too, but the metal detectors are post 9-11 due to the threat from Muslim nut jobs. Islam is not a religion of peace. Its not my fault halve wits run the government and put pressure on australians who had no connections to 911.

What's the ummah, then?

It connects all Muslims, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 6:31am:

exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb.

Exactly. We can’t give the apologists any wriggle room here. If we stop making stuff up, the Muslims will win.

wally1 wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 7:24am: wally1 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 8:11am: issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:36pm: Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick. Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors. You obviously live in a cave An airport is a non-muslim event too, but the metal detectors are post 9-11 due to the threat from Muslim nut jobs. Islam is not a religion of peace. Its not my fault halve wits run the government and put pressure on australians who had no connections to 911.

You need to state your case more clearly. No one said it was your fault. Eleven Australians were killed in the 911 attacks, if that is what you are talking about. But their nationality is not the point.

The heightened security at airports and in many public places including walk through metal detectors and armoured cockpit doors are direct results of the 911 attacks by Muslims in the name of Allah. Their continued attacks have brought about a number of evolving strategies. Islam is not a religion of peace and it is not necessary to "make up" anything about Muslims. They do well enough at it.

issuevoter wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

The heightened security at airports and in many public places including walk through metal detectors and armoured cockpit doors are direct results of the 911 attacks by Muslims in the name of Allah. Their continued attacks have brought about a number of evolving strategies. Islam is not a religion of peace and it is not necessary to "make up" anything about Muslims. They do well enough at it.

Airport metal detectors predate 11 September attacks.  Walkthrough metal detectors elsewhere, predate the 11 September attacks as well.  Their proliferation may have been a consequence of the 11 September attacks but their presence in our society predates it.   ::)

issuevoter wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

wally1 wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 1:09pm: issuevoter wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 7:24am: wally1 wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 8:11am: issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:36pm: Maajid Nawaz while arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, freely admits he is under death threats for participating. Everyone present had to go through a metal detector to get into the studio, a post 9-11 fact of life. Oh yeah Peaceful religion. Anyone who would believe that would have to be a partisan or a dimwit, take your pick. Ive been to non-muslim events and speeches and i have had to go through metal detectors. You obviously live in a cave An airport is a non-muslim event too, but the metal detectors are post 9-11 due to the threat from Muslim nut jobs. Islam is not a religion of peace. Its not my fault halve wits run the government and put pressure on australians who had no connections to 911. You need to state your case more clearly. No one said it was your fault. Eleven Australians were killed in the 911 attacks, if that is what you are talking about. But their nationality is not the point. The heightened security at airports and in many public places including walk through metal detectors and armoured cockpit doors are direct results of the 911 attacks by Muslims in the name of Allah. Their continued attacks have brought about a number of evolving strategies. Islam is not a religion of peace and it is not necessary to "make up" anything about Muslims. They do well enough at it.

Oh, I know. But don’t tell FD, Sprint, Yadda, Herbie and poor old Sore End. For them, porkies are the price of Freeeedom. You know, eternal vigilance, all that.

The old boy calls it intelligence and integrity.

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 5:37pm: The heightened security at airports and in many public places including walk through metal detectors and armoured cockpit doors are direct results of the 911 attacks by Muslims in the name of Allah. Their continued attacks have brought about a number of evolving strategies. Islam is not a religion of peace and it is not necessary to "make up" anything about Muslims. They do well enough at it. Airport metal detectors predate 11 September attacks.  Walkthrough metal detectors elsewhere, predate the 11 September attacks as well.  Their proliferation may have been a consequence of the 11 September attacks but their presence in our society predates it.   ::)

I flew in and out of LaGuardia and Kennedy in the late 70s and early 80s. There were no metal detectors for boarding passengers. The murder of flight crew reported by passenger cell phones prior to the crashes were done with knives and box cutters carried on board the planes by the Muslims. There were no metal detectors.

issuevoter wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

I flew in and out of LaGuardia and Kennedy in the late 70s and early 80s. There were no metal detectors for boarding passengers. The murder of flight crew reported by passenger cell phones prior to the crashes were done with knives and box cutters carried on board the planes by the Muslims. There were no metal detectors.

Lucky you.  What about the late 1980s and the 1990s?  I've flown in both periods in and outside of Australia and encountered metal detectors at several airports around the world...   ::)

He’s forgot the plane hijackings on the 1970s. Black September, Bader Meinhoff, PLO. Spineless Apologism 101, innit.

Either that or Freeeeeedom Studies I & II.

University of Balogney, innit.

I remember flying out of New Delhi in 1991, where we underwent considerable security checks in the aftermath of Ranjev Ghandhi's assassination.  We had to be checked, our bags had to be checked and rechecked just to make sure that neither Punjabi or LTTE Terrorists blew the plane up...

I remember flying out of Sydney. The Gulf War was in full swing. Yes, we had metal detectors.

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:31am: exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb. Exactly. We can’t give the apologists any wriggle room here. If we stop making stuff up, the Muslims will win.

I'd love to be completely ignorant of Islam but it's in the bloody news every day - and  I use the words bloody news advisedly.

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

He’s forgot the plane hijackings on the 1970s. Black September, Bader Meinhoff, PLO. Spineless Apologism 101, innit. Either that or Freeeeeedom Studies I & II. University of Balogney, innit.

And now its Islamists.

Anzac day beheading plan, Mothers' Day pipe bombs - Islam's contribution to the multicultural paradise.

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Karnal wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 11:57pm: He’s forgot the plane hijackings on the 1970s. Black September, Bader Meinhoff, PLO. Spineless Apologism 101, innit. Either that or Freeeeeedom Studies I & II. University of Balogney, innit. And now its Islamists. Anzac day beheading plan, Mothers' Day pipe bombs - Islam's contribution to the multicultural paradise.

Islamic Pride

http://i.imgur.com/GgsT3uY.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 9:49pm: I flew in and out of LaGuardia and Kennedy in the late 70s and early 80s. There were no metal detectors for boarding passengers. The murder of flight crew reported by passenger cell phones prior to the crashes were done with knives and box cutters carried on board the planes by the Muslims. There were no metal detectors. Lucky you.  What about the late 1980s and the 1990s?  I've flown in both periods in and outside of Australia and encountered metal detectors at several airports around the world...   ::)

I think you might be talking about the wanding system that was used in some airports. It was by no means general and was ineffectual in many cases. What we are talking about here is the post 911 metal detectors at the Texas Cartoon convention which are an anti-Muslim attack development since 911.

issuevoter wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

I think you might be talking about the wanding system that was used in some airports. It was by no means general and was ineffectual in many cases. What we are talking about here is the post 911 metal detectors at the Texas Cartoon convention which are an anti-Muslim attack development since 911.

No, I am talking about walk through, metal detectors.  I am not sure what happens in Texas and to be plainly honest, I don't give a toss what occurs there.  However, to blame every metal detector on Islamist Terrorism is ludicrous.  I provided my example of flying out of New Delhi in 1991, where their concern in India centred around the problems that Punjabi and LTTE terrorists were causing.   I've flown in and out of London at the same period and there were walk through metal detectors there, as well, aimed more at PIRA Terrorists than anything Islamist in nature.   ::)

Back in the day, anyone who was anyone in militant-revolutionary circles was scampering on to the plane-hijacking bandwagon. I remember a Malaysian Airline that got hijacked by Japanese socialists.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

Back in the day, anyone who was anyone in militant-revolutionary circles was scampering on to the plane-hijacking bandwagon. I remember a Malaysian Airline that got hijacked by Japanese socialists.

That’s right. However, we needed to change that to fit the always absolutely never-ever theory.

Those Japanese socialists were Muslims.

Karnal wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 12:50pm: Back in the day, anyone who was anyone in militant-revolutionary circles was scampering on to the plane-hijacking bandwagon. I remember a Malaysian Airline that got hijacked by Japanese socialists. That’s right. However, we needed to change that to fit the always absolutely never-ever theory. Those Japanese socialists were Muslims.

Well, it's no accident that it is the socialist left who are aligned most with the jihadis. They share the desire of destroying Western liberal democracy.

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 1:13pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 12:50pm: Back in the day, anyone who was anyone in militant-revolutionary circles was scampering on to the plane-hijacking bandwagon. I remember a Malaysian Airline that got hijacked by Japanese socialists. That’s right. However, we needed to change that to fit the always absolutely never-ever theory. Those Japanese socialists were Muslims. Well, it's no accident that it is the socialist left who are aligned most with the jihadis. They share the desire of destroying Western liberal democracy.

Says a naughty old boy who wants to destroy pluralism, free trade, freedom of movement and all freedom of expression that doesn’t aim to offend the Muselman or his apologist.

Feel free to join the party, dear boy.