And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing.

Why the bugger are we letting our country go backwards for these arseholes?

>:(

WOMEN were segregated and asked to sit at the back of a lecture by the radical group Hizb ut-Tahrir at a Muslim students group at the University of Western Sydney

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/radical-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-segregates-males-and-females-at-uws-muslim-group-meeting/story-fni0cx12-1227355751307

Tony was wondering why they were at a lecture and not home doing the ironing and dishes .

If that's the way they want to hold meetings, so be it. As long as they're not spewing hatred and violence, I couldn't give a crap how they arrange themselves.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing. Why the bugger are we letting our country go backwards for these arseholes? >:( WOMEN were segregated and asked to sit at the back of a lecture by the radical group Hizb ut-Tahrir at a Muslim students group at the University of Western Sydney http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/radical-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-segregates-males-and-females-at-uws-muslim-group-meeting/story-fni0cx12-1227355751307

Better not visit any Hindu temples or Buddhist retreats, FriYAY.

Ban them.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm: And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing. Why the bugger are we letting our country go backwards for these arseholes? >:( WOMEN were segregated and asked to sit at the back of a lecture by the radical group Hizb ut-Tahrir at a Muslim students group at the University of Western Sydney http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/radical-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-segregates-males-and-females-at-uws-muslim-group-meeting/story-fni0cx12-1227355751307 Better not visit any Hindu temples or Buddhist retreats, FriYAY. Ban them.

It wasn't at a temple, it wasn't at a retreat.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing.

Is that like how we won't hear you say a thing about the rampant segregation and sexism of plenty of other non-muslim groups in Australia?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm: And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing. Is that like how we won't hear you say a thing about the rampant segregation and sexism of plenty of other non-muslim groups in Australia?

Thanks for proving my point.

The story was about a Muslim meeting at an Australian university.

If you have stories about other groups make a thread.

Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing?

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

If that's the way they want to hold meetings, so be it. As long as they're not spewing hatred and violence, I couldn't give a crap how they arrange themselves.

Quote:

..........they're not spewing hatred and violence....

they do do that.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing?

No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic.

And thank you for posting a reply today thats not riddled with abuse.

It's the same as black people sitting at the back of the bus. What a pack of primitives.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:46pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm: And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing. Is that like how we won't hear you say a thing about the rampant segregation and sexism of plenty of other non-muslim groups in Australia? Thanks for proving my point. The story was about a Muslim meeting at an Australian university. If you have stories about other groups make a thread. Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing?

Your missing the point. Do you want to start banning people from doing anything you don't like even if it doesn't hurt anyone or affect you.  I don't like spectator sports because i think they make the population stupid. Is that a reason to ban football????/

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today that's not riddled with abuse.

Why s it unislamic???? Clearly there are sects that think its very islamic.  See that's the problem you run into with any religion, christianity included. Its all subject t interpretation

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today thats not riddled with abuse.

Unislamic? Islam treats women as slaves. Why is it okay for men to walk around in normal clothes like a shirt, pants/shorts but women have to cover up from head to toe?

They are a backwards and barbaric people who should have never been allowed into our country.

Two innocent Australians lost their lives last year because of a Muslim.

jenny wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today thats not riddled with abuse. Unislamic? Islam treats women as slaves. Why is it okay for men to walk around in normal clothes like a shirt, pants/shorts but women have to cover up from head to toe? They are a backwards and barbaric people who should have never been allowed into our country. Two innocent Australians lost their lives last year because of a Muslim.

I hope gandalf doesn't bother himself engaging you in conversation. You're clearly way too hysterical and bigoted to try and have a rational discussion with

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

jenny wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:52pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today thats not riddled with abuse. Unislamic? Islam treats women as slaves. Why is it okay for men to walk around in normal clothes like a shirt, pants/shorts but women have to cover up from head to toe? They are a backwards and barbaric people who should have never been allowed into our country. Two innocent Australians lost their lives last year because of a Muslim. I hope gandalf doesn't bother himself engaging you in conversation. You're clearly way too hysterical and bigoted to try and have a rational discussion with

Why? Can you dispute that Muslim men can wear whatever they want but women can't?

jenny wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

but women have to cover up from head to toe?

funny, I know heaps of muslim women who don't cover from head to toe.

I guess they must have missed the memo  :-/

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today that's not riddled with abuse. Why s it unislamic???? Clearly there are sects that think its very islamic.  See that's the problem you run into with any religion, christianity included. Its all subject t interpretation

Yes its subject to interpretation - and my interpretation is that its unislamic.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

jenny wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:52pm: but women have to cover up from head to toe? funny, I know heaps of muslim women who don't cover from head to toe. I guess they must have missed the memo  :-/

You know exactly what I mean. Why do women have to cover themselves, to whatever degree, all over or show their face etc..., but the same doesn't go for men?

And I'm pretty sure you know what I mean - but decide to troll anyway.

I'm saying the muslim women I know *DON'T* have to cover as you claim they do. Whats the story there?

If you're asking me why it happens where it does happen - my guess is because those places are run by misogynistic arseholes. But I rather suspect the answer you're looking for is "because they're muslim". Right?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

And I'm pretty sure you know what I mean - but decide to troll anyway. I'm saying the muslim women I know *DON'T* have to cover as you claim they do. Whats the story there? If you're asking me why it happens where it does happen - my guess is because those places are run by misogynistic arseholes. But I rather suspect the answer you're looking for is "because they're muslim". Right?

Yet another self proclaimed Muslim who is in denial of the truth about his religion and its adherents.
In the end you'll either submit or die... :D

jenny wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today thats not riddled with abuse. Unislamic? Islam treats women as slaves. Why is it okay for men to walk around in normal clothes like a shirt, pants/shorts but women have to cover up from head to toe? They are a backwards and barbaric people who should have never been allowed into our country. Two innocent Australians lost their lives last year because of a Muslim.

Once again i rarely post personal insults, but maam , you're an imbecile of the first degree.

jenny wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today thats not riddled with abuse. Unislamic? Islam treats women as slaves. Why is it okay for men to walk around in normal clothes like a shirt, pants/shorts but women have to cover up from head to toe? They are a backwards and barbaric people who should have never been allowed into our country. Two innocent Australians lost their lives last year because of a Muslim.

Most of us blame Islam, Jenny. We can hardly blame the Muslims.

Oh sure, Y has a formula which shows Muslim == a follower of Islam, but that’s still a subject of debate.

I blame the parents, but that’s just me.

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 4:08pm: And I'm pretty sure you know what I mean - but decide to troll anyway. I'm saying the muslim women I know *DON'T* have to cover as you claim they do. Whats the story there? If you're asking me why it happens where it does happen - my guess is because those places are run by misogynistic arseholes. But I rather suspect the answer you're looking for is "because they're muslim". Right? Yet another self proclaimed Muslim who is in denial of the truth about his religion and its adherents. In the end you'll either submit or die... :D

Yes, Grendel, we all submit and die in the end.

Food for thought, eh?

Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::)
Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::)

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 4:08pm: And I'm pretty sure you know what I mean - but decide to troll anyway. I'm saying the muslim women I know *DON'T* have to cover as you claim they do. Whats the story there? If you're asking me why it happens where it does happen - my guess is because those places are run by misogynistic arseholes. But I rather suspect the answer you're looking for is "because they're muslim". Right? Yet another self proclaimed Muslim who is in denial of the truth about his religion and its adherents. In the end you'll either submit or die... :D

Yet another troll who damns muslims no matter what they do - you spend half your time demanding that we stand up against misogyny, terrorism etc - and when we do we're
just "another self proclaimed muslim who is in denial".

Oh no!!!!

The Muslims took away our freedom to sit anywhere in the lecture hall.

Personally, I'd prefer the women (or men for that matter) who were attending to either boycott or hold a peaceful protest. Much better than this sort of carpet bombing by ignorant bigots who are only interested in smearing all muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

jenny wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:52pm: but women have to cover up from head to toe? funny, I know heaps of muslim women who don't cover from head to toe. I guess they must have missed the memo  :-/

no, their HUSBANDS or FATHERS missed the memo.  their right to choose does not exist in general.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today that's not riddled with abuse. Why s it unislamic???? Clearly there are sects that think its very islamic.  See that's the problem you run into with any religion, christianity included. Its all subject t interpretation Yes its subject to interpretation - and my interpretation is that its unislamic.

so what that means in effect is that some Muslims believe that women should be segregated from men (in certain circumstances) and some do not, which renders the statement "that's unislamic", somewhat misleading don't you think? 

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::)

Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.   

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 3:55pm: jenny wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:52pm: but women have to cover up from head to toe? funny, I know heaps of muslim women who don't cover from head to toe. I guess they must have missed the memo  :-/ no, their HUSBANDS or FATHERS missed the memo.  their right to choose does not exist in general.

It's funny how christians discovered women's rights and looked for "islam" in the dictionary for the first time after 9/11

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.

There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 4:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 4:08pm: And I'm pretty sure you know what I mean - but decide to troll anyway. I'm saying the muslim women I know *DON'T* have to cover as you claim they do. Whats the story there? If you're asking me why it happens where it does happen - my guess is because those places are run by misogynistic arseholes. But I rather suspect the answer you're looking for is "because they're muslim". Right? Yet another self proclaimed Muslim who is in denial of the truth about his religion and its adherents. In the end you'll either submit or die... :D Yet another troll who damns muslims no matter what they do - you spend half your time demanding that we stand up against misogyny, terrorism etc - and when we do we're just "another self proclaimed muslim who is in denial".

Oh dear who's a dishonest muslim now eh?
Not a troll.
Don't damn muslims.
Never demanded anything about Misogyny, etc.
Are you being a world class hypocrite and liar now eh?
Of course you are.
You are in denial.
And you do proclaim you are muslim...
You gonna deny that now too?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.

Why?
What's your point?
Not all Christian religions have priests...
What's your definition of a Sin?
What do they have to do with this topic?

segregation in an australian university should NEVER be permitted. Do you think a church would be allowed to do that (not that they do)?

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:27pm: And you won't here one "progressive" say a thing. Why the bugger are we letting our country go backwards for these arseholes? >:( WOMEN were segregated and asked to sit at the back of a lecture by the radical group Hizb ut-Tahrir at a Muslim students group at the University of Western Sydney http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/radical-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-segregates-males-and-females-at-uws-muslim-group-meeting/story-fni0cx12-1227355751307 Better not visit any Hindu temples or Buddhist retreats, FriYAY.

Or synagogues

It reminds me of my days in Sunday School - as in innocent, young boy

But it's HARDLY ''news''



Quote:

Tahira Khan, 23, from Campbelltown, said the room was divided for cultural reasons. “I think it’s the respectful way because whenever we pray we pray separately,” Ms Khan said. “It’s a religious thing which happens at the Mosque and outside too.” Shakila Sultana, 43, from Westmead, said it was so men could not see women. “Yes it’s normal because we always divide it so men can’t see you,” Mrs Sultana said. “That’s our Muslim culture. We always have divided ladies and men separate.” Muslim community elder Keysar Trad said it was not unusual at Islamic gatherings for men and women to sit apart. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/radical-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-segregates-males-and-females-at-uws-muslim-group-meeting/story-fni0cx12-1227355751307

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

segregation in an australian university should NEVER be permitted. Do you think a church would be allowed to do that (not that they do)?

Lucky they’re not primary schools, eh?

You should have gone to uni, Longy, even though you’re smarter than all those idiot lecturers. You certainly could have taught them a thing or two about gender segregation.

How did you go at primary school?

i went to a Greek birthday party about 10 years ago where the men sat out on the pergola and ate first, while the women were made to stay in the kitchen/dining area and eat only after all the menfolk had eaten ... the only time they came out was to serve the men

damned if I didn't feel bad for my girlfriend at the time. We were unaware this would be the case when we went .

funny thing was not a single one of them was Islamic. :D :D :D

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

segregation in an australian university should NEVER be permitted. Do you think a church would be allowed to do that (not that they do)?

I don't remember the last time I saw a female priest in a catholic church .... maybe it was their day off :D :D

John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

i went to a Greek birthday party about 10 years ago where the men sat out on the pergola and ate first, while the women were made to stay in the kitchen/dining aread and eat only after all the menfolk had eaten ... the only time they came out was to serve the men damned if I didn't feel bad for my girlfriend at the time. We were unaware this would be the case when we went . funny thing was not a single one of them was Islamic. :D :D :D

Longy went to a few Australian barbies like that back in his day.

Those were the days. Longy wonders why it can’t be the same in Mr Abbott’s cabinet. Fancy having a token woman in there. What’s the country coming to?

Typical.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 8:02pm: i went to a Greek birthday party about 10 years ago where the men sat out on the pergola and ate first, while the women were made to stay in the kitchen/dining aread and eat only after all the menfolk had eaten ... the only time they came out was to serve the men damned if I didn't feel bad for my girlfriend at the time. We were unaware this would be the case when we went . funny thing was not a single one of them was Islamic. :D :D :D Longy went to a few Australian barbies like that back in his day. Those were the days. Longy wonders why it can’t be the same in Mr Abbott’s cabinet. Fancy having a token woman in there. What’s the country coming to?

Bishop had better be careful, her time in the front bench is limited.

I hear Mirrabella wants to make a comeback ... she's an Abbott favourite and unlikely to contest the top job.

John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 8:14pm: John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 8:02pm: i went to a Greek birthday party about 10 years ago where the men sat out on the pergola and ate first, while the women were made to stay in the kitchen/dining aread and eat only after all the menfolk had eaten ... the only time they came out was to serve the men damned if I didn't feel bad for my girlfriend at the time. We were unaware this would be the case when we went . funny thing was not a single one of them was Islamic. :D :D :D Longy went to a few Australian barbies like that back in his day. Those were the days. Longy wonders why it can’t be the same in Mr Abbott’s cabinet. Fancy having a token woman in there. What’s the country coming to? Bishop had better be careful, her time in the front bench is limited. I hear Mirrabella wants to make a comeback ... she's an Abbott favourite and unlikely to contest the top job.

We can only hope, but let’s remember, Mr Abbott likes segregated photo shoots. Remember his meeting with Australia’s CEOs?

>:(

Next they'll be demanding men and women have separate public toilets.

Julius Abbott wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 9:39pm:

Next they'll be demanding men and women have separate public toilets.

Alan’s already been.banging on.about that on his radio show.

Bolt’s in two minds. 

Mr Abbott.wants transgender toilets added, but cabinet won’t make a decision.

Mr Abbott doesn’t want to be seen to be making a captain’s call on such a fraught moral issue.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 9:39pm: Next they'll be demanding men and women have separate public toilets. Alan’s already been.banging on.about that on his radio show. Bolt’s in two minds.  Mr Abbott.wants transgender toilets added, but cabinet won’t make a decision. Mr Abbott doesn’t want to be seen to be making a captain’s call on such a fraught moral issue.

Jones should probably avoid any talk on public toilets.

Its time wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 9:46pm: Julius Abbott wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 9:39pm: Next they'll be demanding men and women have separate public toilets. Alan’s already been.banging on.about that on his radio show. Bolt’s in two minds.  Mr Abbott.wants transgender toilets added, but cabinet won’t make a decision. Mr Abbott doesn’t want to be seen to be making a captain’s call on such a fraught moral issue. Jones should probably avoid any talk on public toilets.

According to who? Media Watch? Yes, that’s just the sort of censorship the leftards would love.

Sorry, luvvies, Alan will not be silenced. Check out the latest range of Harpic bathroom products.

In stores now.

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour.

Translation: christian misogyny is morally correct and muslim misogyny is barbaric.  Christians and Muslims have each had their share of barbarism and backwardness over the centuries and each have leapfrogged each other with advancements in thinking.  You're justification for not allowing women priests is every bit as spurious as the justifications by "some" muslims for segregating the sexes. 

Who would have guessed this would turn into a self loathing anti Christian thread.

More Prog rubbish...  I guess we will just have to wait for the Muslim enlightenment and Reformation won't we...

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic?

Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!! 

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:43pm:

Who would have guessed this would turn into a self loathing anti Christian thread.

Certainly you would not have guessed. That's what bigotry is. You cant see your own hypocrisy. Recognise that word "hypocrisy". It was a favourite word of jesus christ's and he used it with respect to people fond applying double standards   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:51pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!

Grendel’s a swinging voter.

You know what I mean.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Who would have guessed this would turn into a self loathing anti Christian thread. Certainly you would not have guessed. That's what bigotry is. You cant see your own hypocrisy. Recognise that word "hypocrisy". It was a favourite word of jesus christ's and he used it with respect to people fond applying double standards

Show my double standard or hypocrisy.

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:57pm: rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Who would have guessed this would turn into a self loathing anti Christian thread. Certainly you would not have guessed. That's what bigotry is. You cant see your own hypocrisy. Recognise that word "hypocrisy". It was a favourite word of jesus christ's and he used it with respect to people fond applying double standards    Show my double standard or hypocrisy.

Silly game.  Do you think you don't have a history on oz politics. 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:51pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!

Not defensive at all...  factual.
I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals.

Every time you say you don’t believe in fairies, Grendel, a swinging voter dies.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Grendel’s a swinging voter. You know what I mean.

Oh, I see.  So do you think he votes liberal one election and then liberal the next election only whenever he votes its to a swinging beat.   

I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::)
and YES, I'm a swinging voter.
Not a rusted-on fool.

It’s possible, Spartacus. I believe he’s quite fond of modern contemporary standards.

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:05pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Not defensive at all...  factual. I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals.

Yes yes I'm sure there are many muslims that kill and countenance the killing of homosexuals just as there are many christians who do so. Now. Were you going to jump to your feet and prove to us that your not a misogynist in your way and declare your support for the ordination of women priests and scream your support for homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. It really is a simple thing to do if you believe it.

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool.

True, Grendel. The LNP are quite popular in your neck of the woods, no?

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

It’s possible, Spartacus. I believe he’s quite fond of modern contemporary standards.

Oh yes, it must be standard. Anything out of the ordinary just wouldn't be proper. 

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:22pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:13pm: I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool. True, Grendel. The LNP are quite popular in your neck of the woods, no?

No....  best you stop before you come across as an even bigger fool.

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:22pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:13pm: I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool. True, Grendel. The LNP are quite popular in your neck of the woods, no? No....  best you stop before you come across as an even bigger fool.

Nats?

Grendel wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool.

I don't believe in this system of politics and I certainly don't believe that its democratic.  I believe in a direct democracy because I don't believe in choosing others to make decisions for us (which is the ultimate nanny state) but rather we want a system where we make decisions ourselves. Now I think that makes you much more of a rusted on fool then I am.  And besides, I've seen enough of your posts to know that although you deny you vote liberal in your heart you're a rusted on fool of a liberal.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:04pm:

rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:59pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:57pm: rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Who would have guessed this would turn into a self loathing anti Christian thread. Certainly you would not have guessed. That's what bigotry is. You cant see your own hypocrisy. Recognise that word "hypocrisy". It was a favourite word of jesus christ's and he used it with respect to people fond applying double standards    Show my double standard or hypocrisy. Silly game.  Do you think you don't have a history on oz politics.

You claim im a hypocrite and have double standards. Are you saying you made that assessment based on nothing?

Oh i seeeeeeeee.

Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia".

Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that.

Homo’s from Western Sydney, Mother.

We don’t generally use bath water here.

How do you wash your babies?

It's the Muslims isn't it? They are stopping you from washing your babies. Bastards.

That’s right. It’s why we need to ban them.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:52pm: segregation in an australian university should NEVER be permitted. Do you think a church would be allowed to do that (not that they do)? Lucky they’re not primary schools, eh? You should have gone to uni, Longy, even though you’re smarter than all those idiot lecturers. You certainly could have taught them a thing or two about gender segregation. How did you go at primary school?

When I did my first year in Psychology we had a tutorial by a stand-in tutor we had never seen before.  At the end of the tute we generally agreed he was the worst and stupidest person we had ever met.  Turns out he was the Head of the Department!  Most lecturers were excellent in all subjects.  But there were a few that were really, really not.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 3:59pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today that's not riddled with abuse. Why s it unislamic???? Clearly there are sects that think its very islamic.  See that's the problem you run into with any religion, christianity included. Its all subject t interpretation Yes its subject to interpretation - and my interpretation is that its unislamic. so what that means in effect is that some Muslims believe that women should be segregated from men (in certain circumstances) and some do not, which renders the statement "that's unislamic", somewhat misleading don't you think?

No, what is and isn't 'unislamic' is itself subject to interpretation - agreed?

I'm not going to say something is "Islamic" when my sincere belief is that its "unislamic"  - or vise versa.

Would it help if I prefaced my statement with in my opinion...?

Muslims generally and islam should be congratulated, at least they know how to keep women in their place.

  :D

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:19pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 3:59pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Do you think this type of segregation is a good thing? No I don't, its disgraceful - not to mention unislamic. And thank you for posting a reply today that's not riddled with abuse. Why s it unislamic???? Clearly there are sects that think its very islamic.  See that's the problem you run into with any religion, christianity included. Its all subject t interpretation Yes its subject to interpretation - and my interpretation is that its unislamic. so what that means in effect is that some Muslims believe that women should be segregated from men (in certain circumstances) and some do not, which renders the statement "that's unislamic", somewhat misleading don't you think?  No, what is and isn't 'unislamic' is itself subject to interpretation - agreed? I'm not going to say something is "Islamic" when my sincere belief is that its "unislamic"  - or vise versa. Would it help if I prefaced my statement with in my opinion...?

I agree that it shouldn't be necessary on a forum like this to preface everything you say with in my opinion... since that should be taken as given. But there are times when it is necessary because otherwise it might appear that you are making a statement of fact. Sure you don't believe that segregation of the kind we're discussing is islamic but clearly many muslims not only believe it but also believe that you are unislamic for not believing it.  Therefore in the context of a discussion like this, to say that that is not islamic is not really helpful. Far better in my opinion to acknowledge that that's the way some muslims think and that it needs to be addressed.  Don't get me wrong, with all the brain-dead hysterical lunatics out there just waiting to pounce on anything they can argue is wrong about islam I can understand your reticence but your a logical guy, you ever think that maybe its time I gave this whole religion thang the flick. I mean, look at all the lunatics that identify with being muslims or christians or buddists etc. Do you really want to be lumped in with them.      

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:21pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:05pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Not defensive at all...  factual. I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals. Yes yes I'm sure there are many muslims that kill and countenance the killing of homosexuals just as there are many christians who do so. Now. Were you going to jump to your feet and prove to us that your not a misogynist in your way and declare your support for the ordination of women priests and scream your support for homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. It really is a simple thing to do if you believe it.

Oh dear still in denial eh... 
You sir are a fool....  why should I jump up an support things I either have no interest in or don't believe in...  you don't see me jumping up and supporting male priests why should I jump up and support female priests.  What makes you think I have any fanatical religious beliefs or extremist beliefs re the relationships between men and women or any hatred of women or men...
You can keep lying about me and creating strawmen like those other fool progs here...  you only prove your own stupidity.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:22pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:13pm: I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool. True, Grendel. The LNP are quite popular in your neck of the woods, no? No....  best you stop before you come across as an even bigger fool. Nats?

Do stop wasting my time Troll. ::) ::) ::)

mothra wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 1:12am:

Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that.

wow, you are naive, all Muslims practise segregation.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour. Translation: christian misogyny is morally correct and muslim misogyny is barbaric.  Christians and Muslims have each had their share of barbarism and backwardness over the centuries and each have leapfrogged each other with advancements in thinking.  You're justification for not allowing women priests is every bit as spurious as the justifications by "some" muslims for segregating the sexes.

if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you.  Plus women are in no way segregated.  And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades.

rhino wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

mothra wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:12am: Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that. wow, you are naive, all Muslims practise segregation.

You don't, Homo. You just want a white Australia and refuse to leave Western Sydney.

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:41pm:

And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades.

Ah.

Karnal wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:41pm: And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades. Ah.

your point - assuming you actually have one at all?

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:47pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:41pm: And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades. Ah. your point - assuming you actually have one at all?

Nothing, Longy. Just ah.

Grendel wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:21pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:05pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Not defensive at all...  factual. I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals. Yes yes I'm sure there are many muslims that kill and countenance the killing of homosexuals just as there are many christians who do so. Now. Were you going to jump to your feet and prove to us that your not a misogynist in your way and declare your support for the ordination of women priests and scream your support for homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. It really is a simple thing to do if you believe it. Oh dear still in denial eh...  You sir are a fool....  why should I jump up an support things I either have no interest in or don't believe in...  you don't see me jumping up and supporting male priests why should I jump up and support female priests.  What makes you think I have any fanatical religious beliefs or extremist beliefs re the relationships between men and women or any hatred of women or men... You can keep lying about me and creating strawmen like those other fool progs here...  you only prove your own stupidity.

I thought so.  You go on about muslims being misogynists and backward and make excuses for your own misogyny and backwardness.  I've dealt with your bigoted type often enough, whipped up into a frenzy by your shock jock sensationalist news idols who know exactly what buttons to push for an emotional rather then a reasoned response.  You're so easily manipulated and simple, its embarrassing.

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:41pm:

if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you.

I am well-aquainted with the gender balance of Tony Abbott's cabinet thank you.

Grendel wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:22pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:13pm: I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool. True, Grendel. The LNP are quite popular in your neck of the woods, no? No....  best you stop before you come across as an even bigger fool. Nats? Do stop wasting my time Troll. ::) ::) ::)

Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you is a troll or a fool or a basket full of other ad homs that you dislike applied to you? All the while you ask others to apologise for misrepresenting you and nary a word when you do the same? The only fair and open minded personage amongst us. Yet you do not see why you come across as a dick.

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:41pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour. Translation: christian misogyny is morally correct and muslim misogyny is barbaric.  Christians and Muslims have each had their share of barbarism and backwardness over the centuries and each have leapfrogged each other with advancements in thinking.  You're justification for not allowing women priests is every bit as spurious as the justifications by "some" muslims for segregating the sexes.  if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you.  Plus women are in no way segregated.  And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades.

But what you conveniently do is compare extremist muslims with moderate christians. If you compared apples with apples you would find very little difference between extremist christians and extremist muslims and moderate christians and moderate muslims.  The fact that some christian sects allow women pastors and others do not (and the other 2 christian faiths just happen to be the major christian faiths) simply verifies my point. And as to your segregation point just because the two religions are misogynistic in different ways doesn't mean they are not both misogynist in their respective ways.  From what I've seen and read i think its absurd to suggest that christianity and islam are any more or less prone to barbarity, misogeny and backwardness. They're both as bad as each other. 

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:41pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour. Translation: christian misogyny is morally correct and muslim misogyny is barbaric.  Christians and Muslims have each had their share of barbarism and backwardness over the centuries and each have leapfrogged each other with advancements in thinking.  You're justification for not allowing women priests is every bit as spurious as the justifications by "some" muslims for segregating the sexes.  if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you.  Plus women are in no way segregated.  And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades.

So there is a difference between role segregation and inequality? Can you explain that a bit more clearly for me? Where's the line?

Karnal wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:31am: mothra wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:12am: Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that. wow, you are naive, all Muslims practise segregation. You don't, Homo. You just want a white Australia and refuse to leave Western Sydney.

I dont want a white Australia, skin colour is irrelevant. Its culture which counts, not biology.

rhino wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:46pm: rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:31am: mothra wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:12am: Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that. wow, you are naive, all Muslims practise segregation. You don't, Homo. You just want a white Australia and refuse to leave Western Sydney. I dont want a white Australia, skin colour is irrelevant. Its culture which counts, not biology.

Now now, Homo, we all know culture conveniently follows skin colour. You’ve been banging on about the inferior races for years.

I do hope you’re not going all PC on us..All Homos, Sparkys, Shakeys, Rhinos, etc, practice segregation. It’s all they post about.

Karnal wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 2:05am:

rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:55pm: Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:46pm: rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:31am: mothra wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:12am: Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that. wow, you are naive, all Muslims practise segregation. You don't, Homo. You just want a white Australia and refuse to leave Western Sydney. I dont want a white Australia, skin colour is irrelevant. Its culture which counts, not biology. Now now, Homo, we all know culture conveniently follows skin colour. You’ve been banging on about the inferior races for years. I do hope you’re not going all PC on us..All Homos, Sparkys, Shakeys, Rhinos, etc, practice segregation. It’s all they post about.

I see. you silly old bugger. Im not a reincarnation of a sock puppet. Wondered what all the homo and western sydney thing was about. And culture doesnt conveniently follow skin colour. You are into the sherry bottle a little too much I think = Stupid comment. the Arabs have some of the most abhorrent cultural practises in the world and they are white. Indian culture is also abhorrent in many ways and they are generally although not always dark skinned. Nothing to do with skin colour, when you see a black man, i see a man. now, anything else to make yourself look stupid over? ive seen some of your posts, very rare but you are capable of launching an intelligent post or rebuttal. Maybe lay off the booze a little.

rhino wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 2:17am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:05am: rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:55pm: Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:46pm: rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:31am: mothra wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:12am: Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that. wow, you are naive, all Muslims practise segregation. You don't, Homo. You just want a white Australia and refuse to leave Western Sydney. I dont want a white Australia, skin colour is irrelevant. Its culture which counts, not biology. Now now, Homo, we all know culture conveniently follows skin colour. You’ve been banging on about the inferior races for years. I do hope you’re not going all PC on us..All Homos, Sparkys, Shakeys, Rhinos, etc, practice segregation. It’s all they post about. I see. you silly old bugger. Im not a reincarnation of a sock puppet. Wondered what all the homo and western sydney thing was about. And culture doesnt conveniently follow skin colour. You are into the sherry bottle a little too much I think = Stupid comment. the Arabs have some of the most abhorrent cultural practises in the world and they are white. Indian culture is also abhorrent in many ways and they are generally although not always dark skinned. Nothing to do with skin colour, when you see a black man, i see a man. now, anything else to make yourself look stupid over? ive seen some of your posts, very rare but you are capable of launching an intelligent post or rebuttal. Maybe lay off the booze a little.

Sorry, have you moved out of Rooty Hill?

I do hope you haven’t moved to a leafy white enclave, Rhino. That would be segregation.

Where have you moved?

Karnal wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 2:22am:

Sorry, have you moved out of Rooty Hill? I do hope you haven’t moved to a leafy white enclave, Rhino. That would be segregation. Where have you moved?

I live in a middle class multi cultural suburb. Street has 12 houses. 1 vietnamese, i middle eastern, 1 chinese, 1 indonesian. 1 Australian. The rest somewhere in between or overseas European..

rhino wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:22am: Sorry, have you moved out of Rooty Hill? I do hope you haven’t moved to a leafy white enclave, Rhino. That would be segregation. Where have you moved? I live in a middle class multi cultural suburb. Street has 12 houses. 1 vietnamese, i middle eastern, 1 chinese, 1 indonesian. 1 Australian. The rest somewhere in between or overseas European..

Rich tapestry, eh?

Which suburb?

Julius Abbott wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:41pm: if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you. I am well-aquainted with the gender balance of Tony Abbott's cabinet thank you.

why do you think there should be a gender balance or even a gender consideration?  at cabinet level the job qualification is simply best person for the job.  That simple.

Setanta wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour. Translation: christian misogyny is morally correct and muslim misogyny is barbaric.  Christians and Muslims have each had their share of barbarism and backwardness over the centuries and each have leapfrogged each other with advancements in thinking.  You're justification for not allowing women priests is every bit as spurious as the justifications by "some" muslims for segregating the sexes.  if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you.  Plus women are in no way segregated.  And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades. So there is a difference between role segregation and inequality? Can you explain that a bit more clearly for me? Where's the line?

assuming that is a serious question then the answer is of course not a simple one.  The catholic church for example only has male priests but every other role is open to both sexes. in practical terms that supposed inequality is very slight.  But you try and be a male midwife or a male primary school teacher or male childcare worker.  not impossible, but really hard and even if you get the gig, the pressures against you are enormous.

lets not pretend that every job, every role and every position is equally open to both genders.  Life is never that simple.

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

The catholic church for example only has male priests but every other role is open to both sexes.

true, they don't care who they bugger, but they do have an obvious preference for boys

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Setanta wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:41pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    There is a difference between role segregation and inequality.  Just as it is possible to have a moral standard that doesnt include all possible options. An all-inclusive moral code is in fact, not moral at all.  Morals are by defintion, standards that exclude some behaviour. Translation: christian misogyny is morally correct and muslim misogyny is barbaric.  Christians and Muslims have each had their share of barbarism and backwardness over the centuries and each have leapfrogged each other with advancements in thinking.  You're justification for not allowing women priests is every bit as spurious as the justifications by "some" muslims for segregating the sexes.  if you cannot see the difference in the scale of this inequality then no one can help you.  Plus women are in no way segregated.  And with the singular exception of the catholic/anglican chuches, women are head pastors already and have been for many decades. So there is a difference between role segregation and inequality? Can you explain that a bit more clearly for me? Where's the line? assuming that is a serious question then the answer is of course not a simple one.  The catholic church for example only has male priests but every other role is open to both sexes. in practical terms that supposed inequality is very slight.  But you try and be a male midwife or a male primary school teacher or male childcare worker.  not impossible, but really hard and even if you get the gig, the pressures against you are enormous. lets not pretend that every job, every role and every position is equally open to both genders.  Life is never that simple.

Just out of interest I can understand why a man will find it harder to get a job in child care (men don't have as good a record as women when it comes to pedophilia) but pray tell what qualifies a man over a woman to be a priest? 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

Grendel wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:12am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:21pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:05pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Not defensive at all...  factual. I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals. Yes yes I'm sure there are many muslims that kill and countenance the killing of homosexuals just as there are many christians who do so. Now. Were you going to jump to your feet and prove to us that your not a misogynist in your way and declare your support for the ordination of women priests and scream your support for homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. It really is a simple thing to do if you believe it. Oh dear still in denial eh...  You sir are a fool....  why should I jump up an support things I either have no interest in or don't believe in...  you don't see me jumping up and supporting male priests why should I jump up and support female priests.  What makes you think I have any fanatical religious beliefs or extremist beliefs re the relationships between men and women or any hatred of women or men... You can keep lying about me and creating strawmen like those other fool progs here...  you only prove your own stupidity. I thought so.  You go on about muslims being misogynists and backward and make excuses for your own misogyny and backwardness.  Liar liar pants on fire....  now you've stooped to complete dishonesty. I've dealt with your bigoted type often enough, whipped up into a frenzy by your shock jock sensationalist news idols who know exactly what buttons to push for an emotional rather then a reasoned response.  More name calling and lying. You're so easily manipulated and simple, its embarrassing. Personally I think you are an embarrassment.  You cant even admit you lied and continue to do so.  You can't even address what I actually said.

Setanta wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:10pm:

Grendel wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:22pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:13pm: I've hardly ever voted Liberal on any of the 3 levels of government...  how about YOU... ::) ::) ::) and YES, I'm a swinging voter. Not a rusted-on fool. True, Grendel. The LNP are quite popular in your neck of the woods, no? No....  best you stop before you come across as an even bigger fool. Nats? Do stop wasting my time Troll. ::) ::) ::) Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you is a troll or a fool or a basket full of other ad homs that you dislike applied to you? All the while you ask others to apologise for misrepresenting you and nary a word when you do the same? The only fair and open minded personage amongst us. Yet you do not see why you come across as a dick.

Why don't you recognize the facts?
because you just pop in every now and then and attack people you disagree with, much like the Trolls here.
The facts are they are trolls and they do over use ad hom and they do lie.
I wouldn't say it if they didn't.
As for being a dick...  take a look in the mirror Troll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQLTISwIjo

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQLTISwIjo

Brilliant  :)

Its time wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 1:00pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQLTISwIjo Brilliant  :)

Yep. Square hit. Right between the eyes.

You people really do need to seek help.
You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world.

Grendel wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world.

As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world. 

The real Spartacus would roll over in his grave if he knew a testosterone challenged feeble give up was using his name.

rhino wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

The real Spartacus would roll over in his grave if he knew a testosterone challenged feeble give up was using his name.

He's come a long way since he first started here...  got him in training....

well give him 50 push ups for being a Norman.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

Its time wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 1:10pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 1:00pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQLTISwIjo Brilliant  :) Yep. Square hit. Right between the eyes.

Stupid.




The"narrative" of the attack in Texas is that some Zionist temptress was walking down the street in Garland, TX in a too short skirt and hoisted it to reveal her Mohammed thong - oops, my apologies, her Prophet Mohammed thong (PBUH) - and thereby inflamed two otherwise law-abiding ISIS supporters peacefully minding their own business.

http://www.steynonline.com/pics/large/1282.jpg

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.

Got nothing again I see...
Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D

Yes yes, you've been playing this transparently disingenuous game of "you've got nothing" since post 75 when it became obvious that you are every bit as misogynistic and backward as the muslims you accuse. 

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D

You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media.

If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer.

Muslims have a PR problem, no doubt about it.
i see the Sikh community in darwin put on free sikh food every week at one of the local parks and have won the locals over.
Now everyone in darwin loves the sikhs.
Same with the vietnamese in brisbane, big vietnamese food festivals and the greek food festival is the biggest food event in brisbane.

if i was advising the muslims, i'd say they should wack on a free food, meet and greet and get out in the parks and win over the hearts and minds of the community.
try that , instead of always sooking about islamophobia and , aussies, being the best people on earth, will undoubtedly come to love you

mothra wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 1:12am:

Oh i seeeeeeeee. Because one lecture at one uni did a stupid thing, this means "Muslim Australia". Of course. Baby out with the bath water and all that.

::)

Would Buddist Africa be better?  ::)

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer.

feel free to list the islamic contributions to our society over the last 500 years.

there is a thread on extremism exposed for it, add their accomplishments to there.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer.

So what did muslims contribute to society?

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. So what did muslims contribute to society?

Surgery, vaccinations, coffee, pay cheques, the fountain pen, the windmill, the rocket and the torpedo, gardens, soup, the pointed arch, the crank shaft, shampoo, chess, the pin-hole camera, the fact that the erth is a sphere was discovered by a Muslim, the alphabet, the understanding that light enters the eye, Abbas ibn Firnas  and his flying machine ( a thousand years before the Wright brothers, distillation, and the 3 course meal.


That was from a quick google. Couldn't you have done that yourself?

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. feel free to list the islamic contributions to our society over the last 500 years. there is a thread on extremism exposed for it, add their accomplishments to there.

Faaaaaar too many to list.

Here is a handy link for you:

http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:09pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. So what did muslims contribute to society? Surgery, vaccinations, coffee, pay cheques, the fountain pen, the windmill, the rocket and the torpedo, gardens, soup, the pointed arch, the crank shaft, shampoo, chess, the pin-hole camera, the fact that the erth is a sphere was discovered by a Muslim, the alphabet, the understanding that light enters the eye, Abbas ibn Firnas  and his flying machine ( a thousand years before the Wright brothers, distillation, and the 3 course meal. That was from a quick google. Couldn't you have done that yourself?

Al Ghazali wrote Ibn Sina was atheist and kafir in his book the Incoherence of the philosophers,Ibn Sina was a non muslim.

The Chinese were using windmills and crankshafts before Muhammad invented Islam.

The discovery of coffee is linked to a monastery which do not exist in Islam.

This guy said the earth was a sphere and was the first person to calculate the circumference around 200BC which is a long time before Islam was invented.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Are you saying muslims invented a pinhole camera before cameras were invented,can you cite an example that works? :D ;D

Still waiting for you to cite something that muslims have contributed towards society.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D Yes yes, you've been playing this transparently disingenuous game of "you've got nothing" since post 75 when it became obvious that you are every bit as misogynistic and backward as the muslims you accuse.

Like you keep proving Spartacrap..  you've got nothing, not one quote from me to back up your lies and stupidity...  keep on Trolling.
It's "useful-idiots" like yourself that put the rest of us in harms way.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer.

Didn't miss it at all...  it was one side hooey.
I know my history thanks and I know the contributions made by people in the world, mind you they weren't made by religious decree were they.
When the rest of the world was in decline the Islamic world saved much from being lost forever and made advances in many fields.
But it is they that are now in decline and have been for a very long time with no improvement in site.
We could always list "Muslim" achievements vs the rest if you like...  I know which side will come out way in front.
What the radicals in Islam and they are not a minority don't understand is that the Crusades are over and have been for centuries.  That one religion can never rule the world.  That the West have heroes of the Islamic faith and have had them for ages.  Even Hollywood that Jewish ruled den of Western iniquity has paid homage to them over and over again.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:39pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:09pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. So what did muslims contribute to society? Surgery, vaccinations, coffee, pay cheques, the fountain pen, the windmill, the rocket and the torpedo, gardens, soup, the pointed arch, the crank shaft, shampoo, chess, the pin-hole camera, the fact that the erth is a sphere was discovered by a Muslim, the alphabet, the understanding that light enters the eye, Abbas ibn Firnas  and his flying machine ( a thousand years before the Wright brothers, distillation, and the 3 course meal. That was from a quick google. Couldn't you have done that yourself? Al Ghazali wrote Ibn Sina was atheist and kafir in his book the Incoherence of the philosophers,Ibn Sina was a non muslim. The Chinese were using windmills and crankshafts before Muhammad invented Islam. The discovery of coffee is linked to a monastery which do not exist in Islam. This guy said the earth was a sphere and was the first person to calculate the circumference around 200BC which is a long time before Islam was invented. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes Are you saying muslims invented a pinhole camera before cameras were invented,can you cite an example that works? :D ;D Still waiting for you to cite something that muslims have contributed towards society.

Nice try but you are wrong.

Try doing a wee google, lest you keep embarrassing yourself.

I've even provided a link for you.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. Didn't miss it at all...  it was one side hooey. I know my history thanks and I know the contributions made by people in the world, mind you they weren't made by religious decree were they. When the rest of the world was in decline the Islamic world saved much from being lost forever and made advances in many fields. But it is they that are now in decline and have been for a very long time with no improvement in site. We could always list "Muslim" achievements vs the rest if you like...  I know which side will come out way in front.

You too could stand educating yourself before you spout off. Lots of Muslim invention and innovation going about.

http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. Didn't miss it at all...  it was one side hooey. I know my history thanks and I know the contributions made by people in the world, mind you they weren't made by religious decree were they. When the rest of the world was in decline the Islamic world saved much from being lost forever and made advances in many fields. But it is they that are now in decline and have been for a very long time with no improvement in site. We could always list "Muslim" achievements vs the rest if you like...  I know which side will come out way in front. You too could stand educating yourself before you spout off. Lots of Muslim invention and innovation going about. http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world

Really...  do grow a brain.
First Muslim of the Moon may never happen except they may live in a western nation.
Same goes for Mars.
What is the standard of living in most Muslin nations?
What is the standard of education in the Islamic world?
What countries would you rather live in and are they Islamic?
just to make a few subtle points for you.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. Didn't miss it at all...  it was one side hooey. I know my history thanks and I know the contributions made by people in the world, mind you they weren't made by religious decree were they. When the rest of the world was in decline the Islamic world saved much from being lost forever and made advances in many fields. But it is they that are now in decline and have been for a very long time with no improvement in site. We could always list "Muslim" achievements vs the rest if you like...  I know which side will come out way in front. You too could stand educating yourself before you spout off. Lots of Muslim invention and innovation going about. http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world

You should educate yourself instead of spreading Islamic propaganda.

wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=muslim+inventions+debunked

Your link credits Abdus Salam for several discoveries,he had the word "muslim'' removed from his grave because the Pakistani government didn't recognise him as a muslim, if he is considered a non muslim in his homeland that shows how little credibility your link has.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:17pm: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. Didn't miss it at all...  it was one side hooey. I know my history thanks and I know the contributions made by people in the world, mind you they weren't made by religious decree were they. When the rest of the world was in decline the Islamic world saved much from being lost forever and made advances in many fields. But it is they that are now in decline and have been for a very long time with no improvement in site. We could always list "Muslim" achievements vs the rest if you like...  I know which side will come out way in front. You too could stand educating yourself before you spout off. Lots of Muslim invention and innovation going about. http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world Really...  do grow a brain. First Muslim of the Moon may never happen except they may live in a western nation. Same goes for Mars. What is the standard of living in most Muslin nations? What is the standard of education in the Islamic world? What countries would you rather live in and are they Islamic? just to make a few subtle points for you. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

LOL. WikiIslm. Fine, objective site you found there, of course.

Try again.

You too with the WikiIslaam Baron?

You don;t need to look too far to see what a pile of pus that site is.

Check out the link i posted. That'll learn you.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

You too with the WikiIslaam Baron? You don;t need to look too far to see what a pile of pus that site is. Check out the link i posted. That'll learn you.

I did check out your link it was full of bullshit, they removed the word muslim from Abdus's grave because the Pakistan government does not consider him a muslim.

Wikiislam debunks all your nonsense, the google link also debunks your bullshit.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

You too with the WikiIslaam Baron? You don;t need to look too far to see what a pile of pus that site is. Check out the link i posted. That'll learn you.

Ali Sina a ex muslim from Iran created wiki islam.

You could always ask at the council of ex muslims for an opinion on wiki islam, you might find many of their members have contributed to it.

www.councilofexmuslims.com

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:40pm: You too with the WikiIslaam Baron? You don;t need to look too far to see what a pile of pus that site is. Check out the link i posted. That'll learn you. Ali Sina a ex muslim from Iran created wiki islam. You could always ask at the council of ex muslims for an opinion on wiki islam, you might find many of their members have contributed to it. www.councilofexmuslims.com

So ... no axe to grind then?

LOL! You're not making your case for objectivity.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:40pm: You too with the WikiIslaam Baron? You don;t need to look too far to see what a pile of pus that site is. Check out the link i posted. That'll learn you. I did check out your link it was full of bullshit, they removed the word muslim from Abdus's grave because the Pakistan government does not consider him a muslim. Wikiislam debunks all your nonsense, the google link also debunks your bullshit.

I don't think we are talking about the same link.

I am referring to the one dealing with current inventions, innovations and discoveries.

It's the only link i posted. Checked it out did you?

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:40pm: You too with the WikiIslaam Baron? You don;t need to look too far to see what a pile of pus that site is. Check out the link i posted. That'll learn you. Ali Sina a ex muslim from Iran created wiki islam. You could always ask at the council of ex muslims for an opinion on wiki islam, you might find many of their members have contributed to it. www.councilofexmuslims.com So ... no axe to grind then? LOL! You're not making your case for objectivity.

All religions are bullshit Mothra even Islam.

Maryam Namazie from Iran is one of the founders of the council of ex muslims-
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=maryam+namazie

I like Wafa Sultan from Syria-
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wafa+sultan

I agree all religions are bullshit.

What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society.

From your link it says they made the first computer virus, the bomb you stick up your ass is a 100% muslim invention.

All I have is al Haytham who wrote his book of optics while feigning madness while under house arrest because he feared the Caliph would kill him.

All I see is lots of lies on what they claim to have invented which is easily debunked

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:31pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:17pm: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. Didn't miss it at all...  it was one side hooey. I know my history thanks and I know the contributions made by people in the world, mind you they weren't made by religious decree were they. When the rest of the world was in decline the Islamic world saved much from being lost forever and made advances in many fields. But it is they that are now in decline and have been for a very long time with no improvement in site. We could always list "Muslim" achievements vs the rest if you like...  I know which side will come out way in front. You too could stand educating yourself before you spout off. Lots of Muslim invention and innovation going about. http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world Really...  do grow a brain. First Muslim of the Moon may never happen except they may live in a western nation. Same goes for Mars. What is the standard of living in most Muslin nations? What is the standard of education in the Islamic world? What countries would you rather live in and are they Islamic? just to make a few subtle points for you. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World LOL. WikiIslm. Fine, objective site you found there, of course. Try again.

Don't have too much more credible than yours did you even read yours...  I'm thinking NOT.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society.

Well I've never said that so like I said you need to grow a brain.
You link even posts so-called inventions from the 1600s...  hardly the modern world eh. ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D Yes yes, you've been playing this transparently disingenuous game of "you've got nothing" since post 75 when it became obvious that you are every bit as misogynistic and backward as the muslims you accuse.  Like you keep proving Spartacrap..  you've got nothing, not one quote from me to back up your lies and stupidity...  keep on Trolling. It's "useful-idiots" like yourself that put the rest of us in harms way.

Its like trying to have an intelligent discussion with bart simpson only this one's dumber. Go back to post 75 and have the courage to answer it because until you do the "You got nothing" claim is as transparently false as you are. 

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. From your link it says they made the first computer virus, the bomb you stick up your ass is a 100% muslim invention. All I have is al Haytham who wrote his book of optics while feigning madness while under house arrest because he feared the Caliph would kill him. All I see is lots of lies on what they claim to have invented which is easily debunked

I don't know much of the history of it and like Mothra said earlier if that's your point you missed the point.The main point of the video is about how fools like Grendel are easily manipulated into irrational bigotry. But that aside I do recall watching a doco years ago about Renaissance Italy during which there was a revived interest in ancient Rome. Why? Because someone had discovered that much of the history, learning and culture of ancient Rome that the world had thought we had lost was in fact preserved in the muslim library at alexandria. Everything form literature to how to make concrete was preserved there for all mankind. That alone leaves me breathless with gratitude and admiration, to say nothing of course about algebra and the arabic number system to name a few. Its absurd to argue who contributed more and even more absurd to be so blinded by bigotry to believe that the middle east contributed very little, IMO.       

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:06pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. From your link it says they made the first computer virus, the bomb you stick up your ass is a 100% muslim invention. All I have is al Haytham who wrote his book of optics while feigning madness while under house arrest because he feared the Caliph would kill him. All I see is lots of lies on what they claim to have invented which is easily debunked I don't know much of the history of it ..... But that aside I do recall watching a doco years ago about Renaissance Italy during which there was a revived interest in ancient Rome. Why? Because someone had discovered that much of the history, learning and culture of ancient Rome that the world had thought we had lost was in fact preserved in the muslim library at alexandria. Everything form literature to how to make concrete was preserved there for all mankind. That alone leaves me breathless with gratitude and admiration, to say nothing of course about algebra and the arabic number system to name a few. Its absurd to argue who contributed more and even more absurd to be so blinded by bigotry to believe that the middle east contributed very little, IMO.

More apologetics and ignorance from the morally bankrupt apologists.

The Library of Alexandria was hardly a muslim library when it was built in the 3rd century BC,when did $Profit Mo invent Islam?
In 642 AD when muslims conquered Egypt they burnt the library down.

Diophantus wrote Arithmetica which contained far more complex Algebra than any muslim works a few hundred years later,Diophantus is called the father of Algebra.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus

Dubai built their first concrete building around 1960,when did the Italians invent concrete,how much concrete would Dubai have today if they had n oil money to pay foreigners to build stuff?

Apart from oil and Islam the middle east contributes nothing to modern society,Cyrus the great abolished slavery around 530BC it returned when Islam conquered Persia,$Profit Mo was telling muslims not to bury their daughters alive when Persia was ruled by a woman.

Islam has been a major setback for the middle east,look at the sectarian wars between sunni and shia that have been going on for over 1400 years.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:08pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D Yes yes, you've been playing this transparently disingenuous game of "you've got nothing" since post 75 when it became obvious that you are every bit as misogynistic and backward as the muslims you accuse.  Like you keep proving Spartacrap..  you've got nothing, not one quote from me to back up your lies and stupidity...  keep on Trolling. It's "useful-idiots" like yourself that put the rest of us in harms way. Its like trying to have an intelligent discussion with bart simpson only this one's dumber. Go back to post 75 and have the courage to answer it because until you do the "You got nothing" claim is as transparently false as you are.

We know you've got nothin' but why keep proving it...?

Grendel wrote on May 16^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:21pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:05pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Not defensive at all...  factual. I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals. Yes yes I'm sure there are many muslims that kill and countenance the killing of homosexuals just as there are many christians who do so. Now. Were you going to jump to your feet and prove to us that your not a misogynist in your way and declare your support for the ordination of women priests and scream your support for homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. It really is a simple thing to do if you believe it. Oh dear still in denial eh...  You sir are a fool....  why should I jump up an support things I either have no interest in or don't believe in...  you don't see me jumping up and supporting male priests why should I jump up and support female priests.  What makes you think I have any fanatical religious beliefs or extremist beliefs re the relationships between men and women or any hatred of women or men... You can keep lying about me and creating strawmen like those other fool progs here...  you only prove your own stupidity.

BTW I already answered your crap.
Wassup, didn't get it?  Still don't?
Want me to type more s l o w l y or try from another angle perhaps?
1/ not all Christians are Catholics or belong to Churches with Priests...  do you understand that?   Seems that you don't.
2/ not all people are religious and as such your question really holds no meaning for them. Beyond your ability to comprehend eh.
3/ You keep calling me names and slandering me yet have failed to even once provide evidence that I am in anyway a misogynist.  I actually have a very healthy attraction to and appreciation of women.  progs like yourself it seems just like lying about people who disagree with their pov.  sad and pathetic.
4/ you have no idea about my sexuality and again have provided absolutely no evidence of me condemning in anyway, let alone what you call a Christian way... homosexuality.  BTW not all Christians condemn homosexuality at all.
certainly not a thing I've ever done.

Now I expect more ignoring the facts and strawmen and misquotes and lies from you, but why would a sane person persist carrying on the way you do?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:06pm: [quote author=mothra link=1431656842/132#132 date=1431924996]I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. From your link it says they made the first computer virus, the bomb you stick up your ass is a 100% muslim invention. All I have is al Haytham who wrote his book of optics while feigning madness while under house arrest because he feared the Caliph would kill him. All I see is lots of lies on what they claim to have invented which is easily debunked

I don't know much of the history of it and like Mothra said earlier if that's your point you missed the point.The main point of the video is about how fools like Grendel are easily manipulated into irrational bigotry.

Yet you still fail to provide even 1 example of it.  I am no doubt older, wiser and better educated than both of, you and more knowledgeable on this aspect of the topic, no amount of your mindless factless name calling will make you right about me...

But that aside I do recall watching a doco years ago about Renaissance Italy during which there was a revived interest in ancient Rome. Why? Because someone had discovered that much of the history, learning and culture of ancient Rome that the world had thought we had lost was in fact preserved in the muslim library at alexandria.

Ohhh really...  I made the point ,that Muslims did indeed save knowledge from loss in the past...  how bigoted of me...  I learnt it at school, and much more as well.

Everything form literature to how to make concrete was preserved there for all mankind. That alone leaves me breathless with gratitude and admiration, to say nothing of course about algebra and the arabic number system to name a few. Its absurd to argue who contributed more and even more absurd to be so blinded by bigotry to believe that the middle east contributed very little, IMO.      

So now you are telling mothra that he/she is absurd and bigoted then eh.  Oh goody, and I never made the point that Islam/Muslims/Arabs/Moorshave not made major contributions to civilization...  I don't call you a bigot for that, or for lying about me but I do call you an immature liar and a troll for doing so.  As for YOUR opinion, when it comes to me what I believe and  actually say, it ain't worth a plug nickel.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. Well I've never said that so like I said you need to grow a brain. You link even posts so-called inventions from the 1600s...  hardly the modern world eh. ;D ;D ;D

Well i wasn't talking to you was i? Boy Wonder.

... and the link post inventions over the span of centuries. Many of them being most modern.

Objective facts are hard to digest when you're prejudiced but really, it's all in handy dot points. Not challenging concepts or anything. You should be able to stumble your way through it.

Go you.

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:46pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. Well I've never said that so like I said you need to grow a brain. You link even posts so-called inventions from the 1600s...  hardly the modern world eh. ;D ;D ;D Well i wasn't talking to you was i? Boy Wonder. ... and the link post inventions over the span of centuries. Many of them being most modern. Objective facts are hard to digest when you're prejudiced but really, it's all in handy dot points. Not challenging concepts or anything. You should be able to stumble your way through it. Go you.

Troll...  do read what links you post b4 commenting...
Don't assume people are dumber or less educated than you.

Stop wasting everyone's time.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:11pm: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:46pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. Well I've never said that so like I said you need to grow a brain. You link even posts so-called inventions from the 1600s...  hardly the modern world eh. ;D ;D ;D Well i wasn't talking to you was i? Boy Wonder. ... and the link post inventions over the span of centuries. Many of them being most modern. Objective facts are hard to digest when you're prejudiced but really, it's all in handy dot points. Not challenging concepts or anything. You should be able to stumble your way through it. Go you. Troll...  do read what links you post b4 commenting... Don't assume people are dumber or less educated than you. Stop wasting everyone's time.

Grendel.....who was the bloke who said this......


Quote:

I am no doubt older, wiser and better educated than both of, you.....

Was that you making the very assumption you deny of others?  Was it?

Trolling again eh Aussie...
so what's new for you eh?

I'm willing to bet I'm correct.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

More apologetics and ignorance from the morally bankrupt apologists. The Library of Alexandria was hardly a muslim library when it was built in the 3rd century BC,when did $Profit Mo invent Islam? In 642 AD when muslims conquered Egypt they burnt the library down. Diophantus wrote Arithmetica which contained far more complex Algebra than any muslim works a few hundred years later,Diophantus is called the father of Algebra. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus Dubai built their first concrete building around 1960,when did the Italians invent concrete,how much concrete would Dubai have today if they had n oil money to pay foreigners to build stuff? Apart from oil and Islam the middle east contributes nothing to modern society,Cyrus the great abolished slavery around 530BC it returned when Islam conquered Persia,$Profit Mo was telling muslims not to bury their daughters alive when Persia was ruled by a woman. Islam has been a major setback for the middle east,look at the sectarian wars between sunni and shia that have been going on for over 1400 years.

Apology accepted. You weren't to know. You do know the Renaissance started about 800 years after islam was established. As for the doco I mentioned I believe now that it was about the Greek classics.  This is what wikipedia says under the title Transmission of the Greek Classics" (look it up)

The introduction of Greek philosophy and science into the culture of the Latin West in the Middle Ages was an event that transformed the intellectual life of Western Europe.It consisted of the discovery of many original works.. Greek manuscripts have been maintained in the Greek speaking world in Constantinople, Armenia, Syria, and Alexandria....

Arab translations and commentary - Arab logicians had inherited Greek ideas after their invasion of southern portions of the Byzantine Empire. Their translations and commentaries on these ideas worked their way through the Arab West into Spain and Sicily, which became important centers for this transmission of ideas. This work of translation from Islamic culture, though largely unplanned and disorganized, constituted one of the greatest transmissions of ideas in history.


Abbasids

The main period of translation was during Abbasid rule. The 2nd Abassid Caliph Al-Mansur moved the capital from Damascus to Baghdad. Here found the great Persian Library with texts containing both Greek Classical texts as well as texts from ancient India. Al-Mansur ordered this rich fund of world literature translated into Arabic. Under al-Mansur and by his orders, translations were made from Greek, Syriac, and Persian, the Syriac and Persian books being themselves translations from Greek or Sanskrit.

Owing to the legacy of the 6th century King of Persia, Anushirvan (Chosroes I) the Just had introducing many Greek ideas into his kingdom. Aided by this knowledge and juxtaposition of beliefs, the Abassids considered it valuable to look at Islam with Greek eyes, and to look at the Greeks with Islamic eyes.[18] Abassid philosophers also pressed the idea that Islam had from the very beginning stressed the gathering of knowledge as important to the religion. These new lines of thought allowed the work of amassing and translating Greek ideas to expand as it never before had.

You can get the rest I dont have much space.    As to the rest of your post

See Wikipedia's article on Roman concrete if you doubt that they had concrete.   

As to algebra Wikipedia says "Much early work in algebra, as the Arabic origin of its name suggests, was done in the Near East, by such mathematicians as Omar Khayyam (1048–1131).The first complete arithmetic solution (including zero and negative solutions) to quadratic equations was described by Brahmagupta (an Indian). Later, Arabic and Muslim mathematicians developed algebraic methods to a much higher degree of sophistication. Although Diophantus and the Babylonians used mostly special ad hoc methods to solve equations, Al-Khwarizmi contribution was fundamental. He solved linear and quadratic equations without algebraic symbolism, negative numbers or zero, thus he has to distinguish several types of equations (shame on you for not reproducing this properly).

Your claim that islam has contributed nothing but oil is not only wrong but desperate. A determination to see only what you want to see to satisfy your bigotry. The Europeans have been at each others throats since when? And they embroiled the world in 2 world wars. How long have the Irish catholics and Prods been at it. Like I say, desperate to satisfy your bigotry.      

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:40pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:11pm: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:46pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. Well I've never said that so like I said you need to grow a brain. You link even posts so-called inventions from the 1600s...  hardly the modern world eh. ;D ;D ;D Well i wasn't talking to you was i? Boy Wonder. ... and the link post inventions over the span of centuries. Many of them being most modern. Objective facts are hard to digest when you're prejudiced but really, it's all in handy dot points. Not challenging concepts or anything. You should be able to stumble your way through it. Go you. Troll...  do read what links you post b4 commenting... Don't assume people are dumber or less educated than you. Stop wasting everyone's time. Grendel.....who was the bloke who said this...... Quote: I am no doubt older, wiser and better educated than both of, you..... Was that you making the very assumption you deny of others?  Was it?

Grendel.....why do you have standards you expect of others, yet you fail to meet them yourself?

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Grendel wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 11:12am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:21pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:05pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:48pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:25pm: Grendel wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Still posting nonsense eh Karnal...  I do wish you'd stop wasting everyone's time. ::) ::) ::) Most of us know about Islam these days and most of us aren't in denial. ::) Do you think women should be priests and that homosexuals having sex with members of the same sex are committing a sin. I don't know what your answer will be I'm just interested.    Why? What's your point? Not all Christian religions have priests... What's your definition of a Sin? What do they have to do with this topic? Why so defensive? If your so concerned about muslim misogyny and backwardness I don't understand why you cant jump to your feet and proudly answer "Yes" I have no objections to women being priests and to homosexuals enjoying homosexual sex with each other without condemnation by our christian religions.  Instead I get evasive answers like "define what you mean by sin".  Please!!!!  Not defensive at all...  factual. I think you'll find islam kills homosexuals. Yes yes I'm sure there are many muslims that kill and countenance the killing of homosexuals just as there are many christians who do so. Now. Were you going to jump to your feet and prove to us that your not a misogynist in your way and declare your support for the ordination of women priests and scream your support for homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. It really is a simple thing to do if you believe it. Oh dear still in denial eh...  You sir are a fool....  why should I jump up an support things I either have no interest in or don't believe in...  you don't see me jumping up and supporting male priests why should I jump up and support female priests.  What makes you think I have any fanatical religious beliefs or extremist beliefs re the relationships between men and women or any hatred of women or men... You can keep lying about me and creating strawmen like those other fool progs here...  you only prove your own stupidity. BTW I already answered your crap. Wassup, didn't get it?  Still don't? Want me to type more s l o w l y or try from another angle perhaps? 1/ not all Christians are Catholics or belong to Churches with Priests...  do you understand that?   Seems that you don't. 2/ not all people are religious and as such your question really holds no meaning for them. Beyond your ability to comprehend eh. 3/ You keep calling me names and slandering me yet have failed to even once provide evidence that I am in anyway a misogynist.  I actually have a very healthy attraction to and appreciation of women.  progs like yourself it seems just like lying about people who disagree with their pov.  sad and pathetic. 4/ you have no idea about my sexuality and again have provided absolutely no evidence of me condemning in anyway, let alone what you call a Christian way... homosexuality.  BTW not all Christians condemn homosexuality at all. certainly not a thing I've ever done. Now I expect more ignoring the facts and strawmen and misquotes and lies from you, but why would a sane person persist carrying on the way you do?

Look I'm happy to leave it to anyone interested to go back and see for themselves whether I'm right that your just being evasive. But I will give you one last chance and then I'm finished with your silly Bart Simpson games. (i) Do you support the ordination of women priests and the right of homosexuals to enjoy homosexual sex with each other without christian condemnation. Now if you don't answer this time I think we can safely conclude that you are just as misogynist and backward as the muslims you're condemning, which i happen to think is pathetic. 

arent ISIS proud of destroying fabulous archeological sites.
what a disgraceful religion.
didnt the taliban blow up some massive statues of the buddha.
Bad karma for those boys  ;) ;)

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society.

What has Islam - a religion - improved your life?
How has your life been improved Islamically?

A thought provoking passage written by an Englishman about the current situation in HIS homeland  -
Racist - me?
I have been wondering about why Whites are racists, and no other race is …

There are British Africans, British Chinese, British Asian, British Turks, etc, etc, etc

And then there are just British.,. You know what I mean, plain ole English people that were born here. You can include the Welsh, the Scottish and the people who live off our shores of Great Britain on tiny islands. Yes, we are all true Brits.

The others that live here say the following: :

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'.... White trash......White c--t .... And that's OK..

But when I call you, black person, Spade, Towel head, Sand-black person, Paki, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you.. So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the Muslim Council of Great Britain.

You have Black History Month.

You have swimming pools for Asian women.

You have islamic banks for muslims only.

You have year of the dragon day for chinese people.

If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black Britain or Miss Asia, but any colour can be in the Miss UK .

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships.. You know we'd be racists.

There are over 200 openly proclaimed Muslim only schools in England . Yet if there were 'White schools only', that would be a racist school !.

In the Bradford riots and Toxteth riots, you believed that you were standing-up for your race and rights. If we stood-up for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

We fly our flag, we are racists. If we celebrate St.George's or Australia day we are racists.

You can fly your flag and it’s called diversity. You celebrate your cultures and it’s called multiculturalism.

You rob us, carjack us, and rape our daughters. But, when a white police officer arrests a black gang member or restrains an Asian drug dealer running from the law and
posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud.... But you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists??

That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't stand up for ourselves!

BEING PROUD TO BE WHITE! It's not a crime, YET... But getting very close!

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: I agree all religions are bullshit. What i don't agree with is that Muslims have contributed nothing nor do they contribute anything to society. What has Islam - a religion - improved your life? How has your life been improved Islamically?

I tell you what, why don't you re-state those questions in an intelligible way. 

aquascoot wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

arent ISIS proud of destroying fabulous archeological sites. what a disgraceful religion. didnt the taliban blow up some massive statues of the buddha. Bad karma for those boys  ;) ;)

Indeed, all very terrible things. Now from that is it logical to conclude that all of islam contributed nothing to human development over the centuries.  Is it a sensible approach to now go around vilifying muslims for being misogynist when we ourselves harbour seriously misogynist attitudes and habits. How many women are bashed to death each week in this country by their male partners and Grendel then parades himself as holier then thou in this forum.  "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".  Someone famous said that. I can't recall who.    

The cartoon made a valid point.  We can't let hot heads like Grendel and Soren talk us into persecuting all muslims for the sins of fanatical muslims just as we cant tolerate christians or jews being persecuted. You really do need to wonder what Grendel would have been doing on Kristallnacht if raised in germany and/or austria at the relevant time. 

mothra wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 12:46pm: mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:59am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:08am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Grendel wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 9:42pm: You people really do need to seek help. You are what is known as the "useful-idiots" of the world. As told by a Useless-Idiot of this world.  Got nothing again I see... Try discussing todays world and not the distant past eh.  There a good chappy... :D :D :D You miss  the point old chap. The point of the video was to show how ridiculous it is to be scared of foreign impacts on your day too day life...and how easily that fear is generated by propaganda the media. If we were to watch a video of contributions of Muslim world to our society, it would go for considerably longer. feel free to list the islamic contributions to our society over the last 500 years. there is a thread on extremism exposed for it, add their accomplishments to there. Faaaaaar too many to list. Here is a handy link for you: http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world

I had a look at your link and I am immensely relieved to report that you are still complete out of your mind, crediting such stupid guff.

Garage rock and punk rock: Garage rock [20] and punk rock [21] are largely derived from the surf rock genre pioneered by Dick Dale, who in turn was inspired by the Arabic music of his Lebanese uncle.

Chicken tikka: This dish originated in the Punjab region of the Indian subcontinent, among the Hindkowans of Peshawar, in modern-day Pakistan.

Steam engine, steam turbine, impulse steam turbine: In 1551, Taqi al-Din invented the first impulse steam turbine and described the first practical applications for it as a prime mover for rotating a spit, predating Giovanni Branca's later impulse steam turbine from 1629. Al-Din described his invention in his book, Al-Turuq al-saniyya fi al-alat al-ruhaniyya (The Sublime Methods of Spiritual Machines), completed in 1551 AD (959 AH).[34]


Submarine: On October 1, 1720, the Ottoman dockyard architect Ibrahim Efendi invented a submarine called the tahtelbahir. The Ottoman writer Seyyid Vehbi, in his Surname-i-Humayun, compared this submarine to an alligator. He recorded that during the circumcision ceremony for Sultan Ahmed III's sons, "the alligator-like submarine slowly emerged on the water and moved slowly to the sultan, and after staying on the sea for half an hour, submerged in the sea again to the great surprise of the public; then emerged one hour later, with five people walking outside the mouth of this alligator-like submarine, with trays of rice and zerde (a dish of sweetened rice) on their heads." He explained the technical information concerning the submarine "submerging in the sea and the crew being able to breath through pipes while under the sea".[50]


Existentialism and existence precedes essence: In the early 17th century, the Persian philosopher, Mulla Sadra, founded the school oftranscendent theosophy and developed the concept of existence precedes essence.[53] His work bought "a new philosophical insight in dealing with the nature of reality" and created "a major transition from essentialism to existentialism" in Islamic philosophy, several centuries before this occurred in Western philosophy


Banana bioplastic: In 2013, 16 year-old Turkish female inventor Elif Bilgin discovered how to recycle banana waste as bioplastic. [51]



Human Development Index and Human Development Report: In 1990, the Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq developed the Human Development Index. He also founded the Human Development Report that same year.
Muslims countries are notoriously poor performers on these indices, so old Mahbub had to be an apostate, no?



Websites like this are sad testaments to Islam's enduring inferiority complex and seething resentment for it.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:39pm: arent ISIS proud of destroying fabulous archeological sites. what a disgraceful religion. didnt the taliban blow up some massive statues of the buddha. Bad karma for those boys  ;) ;) Indeed, all very terrible things. Now from that is it logical to conclude that all of islam contributed nothing to human development over the centuries.  Is it a sensible approach to now go around vilifying muslims for being misogynist when we ourselves harbour seriously misogynist attitudes and habits. How many women are bashed to death each week in this country by their male partners and Grendel then parades himself as holier then thou in this forum. You rang Spartacrap?  You need to stop obsessing and lying about me.  libel is a crime.  "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".  Someone famous said that. I can't recall who. It was Jesus...  oh dear...     The cartoon made a valid point.  We can't let hot heads like Grendel and Soren talk us into persecuting all muslims for the sins of fanatical muslims just as we cant tolerate christians or jews being persecuted. You rang again Spartacrap...  when will you learn.  Now your slandering Soren too. I guess the fact you are also being a world class hypocrite has also escaped you eh. You really do need to wonder what Grendel would have been doing on Kristallnacht if raised in germany and/or austria at the relevant time. Oh dear now we have the coup de grace...  the NAZI SLURRRRRR.... sad pathetic, wrong and totally immature...TROLL