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Title: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 25^th, 2015 at 7:20am

What took you so long, you idiot!

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Queensland's Chief Justice Tim Carmody has told The Australian he is ready to quit amid dysfunction and infighting with senior members of the judiciary.

Justice Carmody said his position had become untenable and is poised to resign to "stop the bleeding".

"I have one senior judge who won't sit with me on any cases," he told The Australian.

"I have other senior judges who secretly record a conversation with me.

"That makes governance and my ability to do my job impossible.

"I have to balance what gives the most net gain to the people.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Dame Pansi on May 25^th, 2015 at 11:11am

I was wondering how we'd get rid of him once Newman went, but it looks like he can't survive without his right hand man so he's letting himself go.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:50pm

ustice Carmody said his position had become untenable and is poised to resign to "stop the bleeding".

"I have one senior judge who won't sit with me on any cases," he told The Australian.

"I have other senior judges who secretly record a conversation with me.

"That makes governance and my ability to do my job impossible.

"I have to balance what gives the most net gain to the people.

wow that could be almost billy b oy saying =all that,,

the difference being of course billy boy knows all about the BACK STABBING...

this is just the Qld Legals... hilarious...good luck with whats left lefties... you deserve it..

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm

Lol this guy was criticised from the start. If you have the legal fraternity not happy with his appointment, you knew there was something wrong.

Being promoted over many other suitable and qualified candidates for highest office in legal/justice circles, its Terry Lewis, all over again.

Qld, I hope you will never change

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by double plus good on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

Dick Smith (not a certified scientist). Businessman, helicopter pilot. Opinion irrelevant.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:02pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

didnt they ever...

he wanted to throw away the keys on COWAN.. good lord who wants that to happen.. ;D ;D

he actually had the hide to talk to Hetty Johnson... I mean who does that????????who gives a poo about abused kids.,....

we all know Judges live in ivory towers for a very good cause....

if they really knew what was going on.. it would damage Qlds reputation.... ::) ::) ::)

hear no evil see no evil speak no evil..

good one Qld...

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:03pm

double plus good wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Dick Smith (not a certified scientist). Businessman, helicopter pilot. Opinion irrelevant.

Certainly true in the case of Supreme court appointments.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Qld has a reputation? Since when?

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:08pm

[urlhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-25/public-servants-banned-from-wearing-ugg-boots-onesies/6495004][/url]

pansi I know your a Qld and all so I am leaving this one for you...

do you think we should bring this up at our next meeting...

I do believe one or two people are letting the code down...and we should nip it in the bud so to speak...we could of course secretly tape conversations... and or just plain not speak to them..

but I am too up front for that as you well know.

it is a fact it mostly happens at our Qld branch.. but still..

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

Quote:

he wanted to throw away the keys on COWAN.. good lord who wants that to happen.

Really? When did he say that?

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Qld has a reputation? Since when?

well you do bring up a point of order I must admit..

I will spend a few days pondering on that....

its a tough one now you bring it up..

could you rephrase that for me do you think>??

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Qld has a reputation? Since when?

well you do bring up a point of order I must admit..

I will spend a few days pondering on that....

its a tough one now you bring it up..

could you rephrase that for me do you think>??

Maybe, but it will contain the correct grammar, which may confuse you.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:15pm

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

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he wanted to throw away the keys on COWAN.. good lord who wants that to happen.

Really? When did he say that?

well lets put it this way.. talking to Bravehearts....its a given.. of course he did...why bother otherwise?? silly man set himself right off didnt he.. right off side that is...

who in their right mind does that???...who really wants to get down and dirty and talk about a children that are abused...

it puts judges in a right old state of ... well not being fair...and everyone deserves FAIR....he should have known that...maybe that was the conversation someone clever recorded.... ::) ::).. hummmmmmmmmmm..

thankfully you guys have been saved froma fate worse than....anything the justice dept could do...

well done QUEENLANDERS WELL DONE>>

aussie for PM... or leader of PUP...he outshines clive at every turn..another Qlder............smudge that.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:18pm

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Quote:

he wanted to throw away the keys on COWAN.. good lord who wants that to happen.

Really? When did he say that?

Summary ~ you made it up.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Qld has a reputation? Since when?

well you do bring up a point of order I must admit..

I will spend a few days pondering on that....

its a tough one now you bring it up..

could you rephrase that for me do you think>??

Maybe, but it will contain the correct grammar, which may confuse you.

oh shock horror... and on this forum on a Monday... who would have thought....maybe they should have a grammar free day....they have come up with an abuse free day.. it didnt work mind you.... :D :D

but if you are having difficulties with my grammar you are not alone andrei is the same....he prefers double dutch but I failed that in kindy as well ...

lets see.. when do the grammar /spell nazis come this way again???.......its all those bloody Uni Degrees...

I am being stalked by uni degrees...why MEEEEEEEEEEEE

aussie isnt it impolite or something to pick on peoples failings???>..

I know you wouldnt dream of doing that

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Quote:

he wanted to throw away the keys on COWAN.. good lord who wants that to happen.

Really? When did he say that?

Summary ~ you made it up.

you mean he didnt talk to BRAVEHEARTS.....

he doesnt have to resign after all... :D

I wonder what they recorded then?????????.....

aussie for PUP leader...

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Heartless Felon on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:27pm

Petulance rules, OK?

Poor little legal beagles didn't like the then gov'ts appointee so they chuck a massive hissy fit...

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Dame Pansi on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:32pm

cods wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-25/public-servants-banned-from-wearing-ugg-boots-onesies/6495004

(a link that works gladys) lol!!!

We'll have a vote at the next Qld meeting, but usually, what happens in Qld, stays in Qld, we're a bit lax up here now that we have a lady premier.

Of course we must continue to allow the over 90's to wear their onesie and uggies on cold days, but goodness, aren't they a pest when you're busting to go....all those darn buttons to undo, I swear I'll get a zipper one soon.

I would find it hysterical if I went to the motor registry office and got served by a onesie wearer. It must have started from having too many dress free days, wear jeans for cancer etc, they won't stop it now, there'll be walk outs, I tell you.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 25^th, 2015 at 7:10pm

Ha.....he's not going without proving exactly how unworthy he is. No conditions Carmody......if you go, you go, and you get only as much as the Law allows.

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Justice Carmody said he believed those who were resisting change campaigned to force him out.

"I am willing to resign on just terms, not for them, not because of them, but to break the impasse," Justice Carmody said in a statement.

"These recent revelations shine light on serious cultural and structural problems within the judiciary.

"These problems had their origins and were festering long before I was appointed to bring in needed reforms.

"Those resistant to change and modernisation have made it their primary goal to force me out, seemingly at all costs."

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However, QUT law professor Mark Lauchs said Chief Justice Carmody's departure could set a dangerous precedent.

"One of the problems is it creates a precedent that the judiciary can, of its own volition, coerce not just the Chief Justice but any judge to resign and that's not very good - that's a bad precedent to set in society," he said.

Professor Lauchs said if the Chief Justice resigned, there was no guarantee any of his demands would be met.

"There's no set of rules in relation to it - the Act doesn't say a judge will resign on the circumstances that they can then use it as leverage to change policy - that's just something he can do by playing politics, so he's definitely playing politics," he said.

Australian Council of Civil Liberties president Terry O'Gorman said Justice Carmody was making the state look like "Hicksville again".

"The rest of Australia are looking at Queensland and saying 'what on earth is going on?' Are they still in the 1970s and 1980s?" he said.

"To tie his departure to in effect force the Government to introduce a policy change that the Government has said it is not interested in - judges can't do that - again shows the inherent unsuitability of the man to hold judicial office.

"I have never seen, in 40 years of practising a judge retiring early and saying 'I will retire early only if the government of the day brings in a policy change that I want'."

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by longweekend58 on May 25^th, 2015 at 7:10pm

QLD... corrupt one day, corrupt the next. Nothing changes except the people acting corrupt.

QLD needs an upper house and a truly independent judiciary and police. Perhaps the feds can sack them all and install some good ones. While they are at it, they can sack the govt too. No one but the newspapers would notice anyhow.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:25am

double plus good wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Dick Smith (not a certified scientist). Businessman, helicopter pilot. Opinion irrelevant.

What's Dick Smith got to do with anything???

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:23pm

This bloke just keeps on proving exactly why he is simply not up for the job.

Link.

Now, he wants to head of other Judges as part of the terms of his resignation, and worse......who would ever agree to meet and talk with the prick.......he has no idea about confidentiality!

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He would do it, he said in a statement, on the proviso there was a review to address what he termed "cultural and structural problems within the judiciary" that he claimed had been festering long before he ascended to the job.

On Tuesday, News Corp Australia reported that Justice Carmody expected to call for other judges to follow his lead during a speech at a Hamilton Island conference on Friday which would outline his vision for court reform.
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Quoting an unnamed source, the company reported it was Justice Carmody's belief that those who had worked to undermine his leadership would continue to do so for the new chief justice.

Quote:

"I am willing to resign on just terms, not for them, not because of them, but to break the impasse we now find ourselves at.

"In mid-April, I met with the Attorney-General and informed her of my offer."

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 28^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

Blaaaaady hell!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just ferking GO, Carmody! How phuccking hard is it to resign?

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by cods on May 28^th, 2015 at 11:28pm

Aussie wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

Blaaaaady hell!!!!!!!!!!!

Link.

Just ferking GO, Carmody! How phuccking hard is it to resign?

did he give you a hefty speeding fine I wonder???..

I am sure he didnt let Monis out on BAIL..

or BAYLEY for that matter...

so it must be personal.. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

Aussie wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

Blaaaaady hell!!!!!!!!!!!

Link.

Just ferking GO, Carmody! How phuccking hard is it to resign?

did he give you a hefty speeding fine I wonder???..

I am sure he didnt let Monis out on BAIL..

or BAYLEY for that matter...

so it must be personal.. ::) ::)

No, it is professional. The guy was handed the Top Judicial Job from nowhere (just like Jo handed corrupt copper Terry Lewis the Top Copper Job from nowhere) and no-one inside legal circles thought he could handle it or would be accepted to do it. Everything he has done since being appointed establishes how inadequate he is, and that suggests ~ how entirely political his appointment by Newmann and the failed Boy Wonder LNP Attorney General Bleijie was.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on May 30^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

For those who regard Pickering as a Guru...he sets out some intriguing stuff here about how Carmody got the Top Job.......if you like long sagas, you'll love this.

Link.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

Come orn Carmody. Jump!

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An audio recording of Queensland's Chief Justice Tim Carmody reportedly in an expletive-ridden tirade has been kept secret by the State Government.

The ABC applied for the smartphone recording and other documents showing the bitter relationship between Queensland's most senior judges through the Right to Information process, but was refused.

The decision-maker said release would breach the Chief Justice's privacy and risk undermining public confidence in the judiciary.

Gee, who'd a thunk that?

When Carmody goes (booted or on his sword) you just watch the flood gates open, including on Newmann and Bleijie who gave him the job.

'Only in Queensland' and just about always when under LNP Government.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 4:26pm

And finally he has.

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He has been sent way down to QCAT......the mickey mouse or kangaroo court where legal representation is not normally allowed.

Bloody idiot should never have put this State through that process.

It'd be like me accepting at my age, selection as wicket-keeper for the upcoming Tests against England. That's how dumb he was. Sure, just like me at cricket, he is not without some talent, but he was always way out of depth when he accepted appointment to this State's Top Judicial position....just as I would be, accepting at my age, selection as the Aussie w/k on the current English Tour. That's probably the best analogy I can come up with.

Just plain dumb......but, let's see attention now centre on the Selectors.......Newmann and the former Boy NonWonder Qld. Attorney General Jarrod bloody Bleijie.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 8:37pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 4:26pm:

What government appointed him Aussie ?

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 8:40pm

Its time wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 8:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 4:26pm:

What government appointed him Aussie ?

The Libs.......Premier Newmann and Attorney General Jarrod Bleijie.

It would have been one of the basic reasons they were shown the door earlier this year.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 9:09pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 8:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 4:26pm:

What government appointed him Aussie ?

The Libs.......Premier Newmann and Attorney General Jarrod Bleijie.

It would have been one of the basic reasons they were shown the door earlier this year.

Wow that wouldve been like waking up and having the job , then losing it shortly after , newman eh, wasnt he the second Lib to break a 55 year old record by only lasting one term ;)

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

NEWMANN AND BLEIJIE’S SNEAKY SLEEPER, CARMODY.

Someone twigged to this and actively moved against the mole. It always had a stench of treachery about it at the time of his appointment, but it has now become a tad clearer why Newmann and Bleijie plucked Carmody out of the judicial lower flood plains and gave him the State’s Lofty Top Job – Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. The parallel between Carmody’s appointment with that of (the later proven to be corrupt to the core) Terry Lewis as Queensland’s Police Commissioner by Bjelke-Petersen is foreboding, not for the ultimate outcome, but because Lewis was also plucked from police obscurity.

Lewis was a Junior Inspector out in the Queensland scrub when he was promoted by Joe to the position of Deputy Commissioner of Police behind the Honest Broker, Ray Whitrod (whom Joe could not control) the then respected Commissioner. Lewis leap-frogged in excess of 100 more senior officers to that appointment. Predictably (especially by Joe) Whitrod resigned, and that cleared the way for the terribly corrupt Lewis, a Bjelke Petersen lap dog, to take the Top Job. Joe then ensured a Knighthood for Lewis, can you believe?

In that sense, the appointment of Carmody has far too many similarities.

It now emerges (from an Article in today’s Sunday Mail ~ no link, it is behind a paywall) that had the Newmann Government won the early 2015 election (which they had every expectation of doing) Newmann, with Carmody occupying the Top Dog Spot, planned to harpoon the State’s Second Highest Judicial Office holder, Margaret McMurdo and remove her from the State’s Highest Court ~ the Court of Appeal where she was its President, by splitting its function into civil and criminal jurisdictions, and they intended to side line McMurdo into the proposed civil division, leaving Carmody in virtually exclusive control of each division.

There were some other administrative changes in mind having some impact on the general Community. These included making the Office of each Judge the subject of Right to Information reviews, and of more concern, tightening up any access to Cabinet decisions through the Right to Information process. However:

It was also planned to boost the powers of the newly appointed Chief Justice Carmody. After removing the influence of McMurdo from the criminal division, they planned the appointment of another lower Court lap dog, District Court Judge Wall to the new position of President of the Criminal Division of the Court of Appeal. Wall is a regarded as a right wing hawk.

Overseeing each division, was to be none other than the new Chief Justice Carmody. He, not the Presidents, was to have sole control and this meant at a fundamental level, determining which Judges heard which Appeals. Thus, Newmann was in a position, through Carmody, to control via manipulation of the constitution of the Appeal Court Bench this State’s Highest Court, judicial determinations, with only the High Court of Australia standing in the way of anything Newmann wanted. This is outrageous, and as serious a breach of the separation of powers as one can imagine.

There have been murmurings suggesting Carmody has been harshly received by the Legal Fraternity including his peers, with even some within the schmedia mentioning the nasty word, bullying. There is no doubt that Carmody has been the subject of loud and consistent criticism, including from me. However, that was not without sound foundation, given the similarities with the Lewis appointment, Carmody’s public embrace of Bleijie’s new horrific VLAD and anti-association Laws, Carmody’s controlling as Chief Magistrate of all bail applications under those new despotic powers, his close public association with special interest groups, his inability to muster the support of more than one (literally) Supreme Court Judge to his official appointment ceremony, his alienation of powerful orators including Tony Fitzgerald, the President of the Bar Association, his fellow Judges and even the then Crown Solicitor (a Government appointee, Walter Soffranoff, his dilatory work ethic and general demeanour.

While I fear we have not yet heard the last of all this, what has now emerged justifies in every aspect his departure from this State’s Supreme Court. He was an Executive Government plant, a sleeper a real mole and he could have delivered the entire judicial system in this State into the hands of political control as seems to have been the Newmann/Bleijie plan.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Grappler on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

It's amazing how these kinds of Fascists move.....

Now then... who on OzPol has been calling for a Royal Commission Into the Judiciary and Jurisprudence for some time?

(takes a bow).... the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.. and the constructs of liberty need to be washed occasionally in the blood of generations.... let us on this occasion ensure that it is the correct blood that is used for the washing, and not the blood of the populace at large, but rather that of those who need to be removed from office....

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by Aussie on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:51pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

I think this Carmody event ought be the last straw which brings that about. However, I doubt the Labor Party will want that to be too far reaching as I'm sure they will have some skeletons in the closet as well. But, the Carmody Affair ought be properly investigated in a public arena, whether that be a Royal Commission or one done through the CMC....but it must be public. It is so obvious it demands attention.

Title: Re: Carmody ~ about to jump.
Post by The Grappler on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

Whatever way it's done, the appointment of judges needs to be as far removed from the hands of politicians as possible.

Judges and the courts are, after all, supposed to be the final line of defence against tyranny and despotism, which two great social evils stem from governments of all stamps in their reckless pursuit of ideology, not the aid and comfort organisation for those massive social ills, and most certainly not the compliant first line of upholding despotic legislation, and thus leaving the common person no place to go for refuge from tyranny and oppression.

Queensland, as a State, has a terrible history of imprisoning people at the behest of police policy - one learned writer and observer having pointed out that many in Boggo Road were there simply because they 'upset' Queensland coppers.

Anyone who's ever been near the Deep North of North West NSW into Queensland will know what that means - for the unlearned it means police operating without any civilised constraint with the willing connivance and even collusion of the local 'judiciary', something that was the general rule across all States of Australia for generations, and is massively long overdue for overhaul. You may extend that to virtually every area of governance that comes before the courts - and nearly always to the detriment of the Rights of, and the person of, the ordinary person.

If ever there was a need to root out the rats in the legal system - it is there - and the only way is for a government of genuine courage and integrity to go ahead and do just that.

Root Out The Rats!