Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference.

This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  He was forced to resign as pastor of Seattle's Mars Hills Church in October last year after staff protests and an internal church review found him guilty of arrogance, "responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading the staff and elders in a domineering manner".  Tsk, tsk.  Now if he was a Muslim, I'm sure we'd see a parade of Islamophobic commentary from our usual crowd of Islamophobes...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference. This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!....

Shocking!!!!

What an absolutely shocking thing to suggest!


Although, thinking aloud, a woman's vagina is prolly a better home for a man's penis,      rather than a sewage channel !!

But hey, some people prolly have a different opinion.     ????????

:D

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference. This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  He was forced to resign as pastor of Seattle's Mars Hills Church in October last year after staff protests and an internal church review found him guilty of arrogance, "responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading the staff and elders in a domineering manner".  Tsk, tsk.  Now if he was a Muslim, I'm sure we'd see a parade of Islamophobic commentary from our usual crowd of Islamophobes...    ::)

That's considered controversial?

Pffft.

Ahhh I see what the problem is - he speaks too much truth.


Quote:

"Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home." He told women to look after their appearance, saying a "wife who lets herself go" might lead her husband to sexually sin. He also called America a "pussified nation", with "men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers".

Two things:

1.Australia would be better off if there were a million more of him.
2. Who Hillsong invites to speak at hillsongs events is Hillsongs business.

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Ahhh I see what the problem is - he speaks too much truth. Quote: "Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home." He told women to look after their appearance, saying a "wife who lets herself go" might lead her husband to sexually sin. He also called America a "pussified nation", with "men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers". Two things: 1.Australia would be better off if there were a million more of him. 2. Who Hillsong invites to speak at hillsongs events is Hillsongs business.

What a shame you don't extend that courtesy to various Islamic and Islamist organisations, Honky...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference. This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  He was forced to resign as pastor of Seattle's Mars Hills Church in October last year after staff protests and an internal church review found him guilty of arrogance, "responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading the staff and elders in a domineering manner".  Tsk, tsk.  Now if he was a Muslim, I'm sure we'd see a parade of Islamophobic commentary from our usual crowd of Islamophobes...    ::)

That is a bit ironic since you are the islamophobe. You are too scared to speak out against the islamic atrocity. You hide behind calling everyone else an islamophobe that aren't scared of calling them what they are. You're nothing but an islamophobic coward name caller.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference. This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  He was forced to resign as pastor of Seattle's Mars Hills Church in October last year after staff protests and an internal church review found him guilty of arrogance, "responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading the staff and elders in a domineering manner".  Tsk, tsk.  Now if he was a Muslim, I'm sure we'd see a parade of Islamophobic commentary from our usual crowd of Islamophobes...    ::) That is a bit ironic since you are the islamophobe. You are too scared to speak out against the islamic atrocity. You hide behind calling everyone else an islamophobe that aren't scared of calling them what they are. You're nothing but an islamophobic a coward name caller.

Well spotted!!!!!!!!   .....Whywhyhuh

:)

Its wonderful how clarity can so easily prevail, and become apparent,      when someone simply tells the truth about a circumstance.




Lets try a more accurate definition;

islamophobe = = a person who is so terrified of moslem violence,       that he/she is not willing to confront, nor condemn, the wanna-be-murders [i.e. moslems/ISLAM]

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

... wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Ahhh I see what the problem is - he speaks too much truth. Quote: "Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home." He told women to look after their appearance, saying a "wife who lets herself go" might lead her husband to sexually sin. He also called America a "pussified nation", with "men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers". Two things: 1.Australia would be better off if there were a million more of him. 2. Who Hillsong invites to speak at hillsongs events is Hillsongs business. What a shame you don't extend that courtesy to various Islamic and Islamist organisations, Honky...   ::)

Don't I?

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference. This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  He was forced to resign as pastor of Seattle's Mars Hills Church in October last year after staff protests and an internal church review found him guilty of arrogance, "responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading the staff and elders in a domineering manner".  Tsk, tsk.  Now if he was a Muslim, I'm sure we'd see a parade of Islamophobic commentary from our usual crowd of Islamophobes...    ::) That is a bit ironic since you are the islamophobe. You are too scared to speak out against the islamic atrocity. You hide behind calling everyone else an islamophobe that aren't scared of calling them what they are. You're nothing but an islamophobic coward name caller.

Yes, Matty, whatever you say, Matty...    ::)

... wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 8:03pm: ... wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Ahhh I see what the problem is - he speaks too much truth. Quote: "Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home." He told women to look after their appearance, saying a "wife who lets herself go" might lead her husband to sexually sin. He also called America a "pussified nation", with "men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers". Two things: 1.Australia would be better off if there were a million more of him. 2. Who Hillsong invites to speak at hillsongs events is Hillsongs business. What a shame you don't extend that courtesy to various Islamic and Islamist organisations, Honky...   ::) Don't I?

Do you?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

... wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 9:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 8:03pm: ... wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Ahhh I see what the problem is - he speaks too much truth. Quote: "Knowing that His penis would need a home, God created a woman to be your wife. And when you marry her and look down you will notice that your wife is shaped differently than you and makes a very nice home." He told women to look after their appearance, saying a "wife who lets herself go" might lead her husband to sexually sin. He also called America a "pussified nation", with "men being raised by bitter penis-envying burned feministed single mothers". Two things: 1.Australia would be better off if there were a million more of him. 2. Who Hillsong invites to speak at hillsongs events is Hillsongs business. What a shame you don't extend that courtesy to various Islamic and Islamist organisations, Honky...   ::) Don't I? Do you?   ::)

I don't make decisions without knowing any details.  Who/what are you talking about?

Yadda wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 8:36pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: Mark Driscoll: Petition to stop controversial pastor coming to Australian Hillsong conference. This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  He was forced to resign as pastor of Seattle's Mars Hills Church in October last year after staff protests and an internal church review found him guilty of arrogance, "responding to conflict with a quick temper and harsh speech, and leading the staff and elders in a domineering manner".  Tsk, tsk.  Now if he was a Muslim, I'm sure we'd see a parade of Islamophobic commentary from our usual crowd of Islamophobes...    ::) That is a bit ironic since you are the islamophobe. You are too scared to speak out against the islamic atrocity. You hide behind calling everyone else an islamophobe that aren't scared of calling them what they are. You're nothing but an islamophobic a coward name caller. Well spotted!!!!!!!!   .....Whywhyhuh :) Its wonderful how clarity can so easily prevail, and become apparent,      when someone simply tells the truth about a circumstance. Lets try a more accurate definition; islamophobe = = a person who is so terrified of moslem violence,       that he/she is not willing to confront, nor condemn, the wanna-be-murders [i.e. moslems/ISLAM]

Interesting how you keep making up your own definitions of commonly used and known words, Yadda.

According to the Oxford University Dictionary, the correct definition is:


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Islamophobia Is¦lamo|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /ɪzˌlaməˈfəʊbɪə/ Definition of Islamophobia in English: noun [mass noun] Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Islamophobia]Source[/url]

Rather different to your definition, isn't it?

When you want to join the rest of the English speaking world and start talking and thinking in English, get back to me, OK?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!

Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man!

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man!

;D

Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man.

Soren wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/giphygifs/media/rVhdgtV27m1Ec/giphy.gif

Classic infidel.

Soren wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man.

Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ?

If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ?

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:40pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man. Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ? If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ?

Who cares?  The man is obviously a loon, which is perhaps why Soren is attracted to him?   No Muslim seems to believe what he says, except perhaps a small handful (pun intended).

I would say muslims care especially young men since he is an Islamic cleric and you are not. I would venture to say he thinks you are the loon. Methinks you are worried about dragging your hands around in the afterlife more to the point.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:40pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man. Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ? If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ? Who cares?  The man is obviously a loon, which is perhaps why Soren is attracted to him?   No Muslim seems to believe what he says, except perhaps a small handful (pun intended).

And a considerable number of Muslims believe that an archangel dictated the content of an eternal book to a semi-literate trader-warlord.

That eternal book says:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Oh, isn't that cuddly and peaceful??

Er... he goes on:

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


So what is 'corruption in the land', Jimmy?

Well, it's not submitting to Islam.



And they believe all this, by the hundreds of millions.

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2015 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 5:58pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:40pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man. Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ? If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ? Who cares?  The man is obviously a loon, which is perhaps why Soren is attracted to him?   No Muslim seems to believe what he says, except perhaps a small handful (pun intended). And a considerable number of Muslims believe that an archangel dictated the content of an eternal book to a semi-literate trader-warlord.

Funny, the Mormons claim the same thing, about their founder(s).  Why do you only attack Muslims, Soren?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 6:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 5:58pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:40pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man. Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ? If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ? Who cares?  The man is obviously a loon, which is perhaps why Soren is attracted to him?   No Muslim seems to believe what he says, except perhaps a small handful (pun intended). And a considerable number of Muslims believe that an archangel dictated the content of an eternal book to a semi-literate trader-warlord. Funny, the Mormons claim the same thing, about their founder(s).  Why do you only attack Muslims, Soren?    ::)

Why do muslims attack everyone else more to the point.

Controversial pastor Mark Driscoll who likened women to 'penis homes' no longer attending Hillsong Australian conference.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 6:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 5:58pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:40pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man. Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ? If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ? Who cares?  The man is obviously a loon, which is perhaps why Soren is attracted to him?   No Muslim seems to believe what he says, except perhaps a small handful (pun intended). And a considerable number of Muslims believe that an archangel dictated the content of an eternal book to a semi-literate trader-warlord. Funny, the Mormons claim the same thing, about their founder(s).  Why do you only attack Muslims, Soren?    ::)

Because they tend to be very aggressively violent in defence of their semi-literate warlord and his absurd claims.

I don't mind Muslims fighting it out among themselves in what they are pleased to call 'Muslim lands', but when they start killing people in the West in the name of said warlord and his crazy teachings, it does concern me and other non-Muslims in the West.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

According to the Oxford University Dictionary, the correct definition is: Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

Fck me! To dislike Islam as a "political force" is now considered islamophobia.

Well that pretty much confirms how much the word "islamophobia" means shlt all. If they want to chop your head off for not worshipping their god and you don't like that behaviour, then you are an islamophobic. How dare you dislike Islam for its political power!

Notice this isn't about just disliking them for where they may come from or for what they personally hold true in their own hearts. This isn't about treating humans differently because of what they believe and classing that discrimination against them as wrong. No, this is about disliking Islam as a political force. That is now the new definition of islamophobia.

Quantum wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 11:38am: According to the Oxford University Dictionary, the correct definition is: Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. Fck me! To dislike Islam as a "political force" is now considered islamophobia. Well that pretty much confirms how much the word "islamophobia" means shlt all. If they want to chop your head off for not worshipping their god and you don't like that behaviour, then you are an islamophobic. How dare you dislike Islam for its political power! Notice this isn't about just disliking them for where they may come from or for what they personally hold true in their own hearts. This isn't about treating humans differently because of what they believe and classing that discrimination against them as wrong. No, this is about disliking Islam as a political force. That is now the new definition of islamophobia.

Fck me!!! is correct when we have Westerners like Brain, Hot Bath and their ilk blowing hot about Islamophobia as any opposition to political Islam.   In the long run Liberal Democracy is losing to Islam not because Islam is better but because the Brains and Hot Baths of this world relentlessly agitate for surrendering, for submitting to it.

Anyone who doesn't submit to Submission (ie Islam) is labelled an Islamophobe.

It makes opposition to Islam as a political power - ie opposition to a tyranny -  a duty.  That is why they call opponents of Islam 'phobes - they have no reasoned counter-argument for people who resist Islam.

Soren wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 6:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 5:58pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:40pm: MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6th, 2015 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 7:10pm: This "pastor" once suggested that a woman's vagina was a fine home for a man's penis!  Outrageous! He's clearly no handy-man! ;D Unlike this very, ahem,  handy man. Where does the islamic baby come out in the afterlife or do the hands just stay pregnant ? If so does allah keep the baby growing to full size humans inside the hands ? Who cares?  The man is obviously a loon, which is perhaps why Soren is attracted to him?   No Muslim seems to believe what he says, except perhaps a small handful (pun intended). And a considerable number of Muslims believe that an archangel dictated the content of an eternal book to a semi-literate trader-warlord. Funny, the Mormons claim the same thing, about their founder(s).  Why do you only attack Muslims, Soren?    ::) Because they tend to be very aggressively violent in defence of their semi-literate warlord and his absurd claims.

Some do, most don't, Soren.

Just as some Christians proved "aggressively violent in defence of their saviour" during the Piss Christ episode in Melbourne in 1998.  Were their actions characteristic of all Christians?


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I don't mind Muslims fighting it out among themselves in what they are pleased to call 'Muslim lands', but when they start killing people in the West in the name of said warlord and his crazy teachings, it does concern me and other non-Muslims in the West.

Have you ever understood why they have chosen to do that, Soren?

It's got little to do with the "Muslim warlord" and a lot to do with what they want their fellow Believers to believe...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: Because they tend to be very aggressively violent in defence of their semi-literate warlord and his absurd claims. Some do, most don't, Soren. Just as some Christians proved "aggressively violent in defence of their saviour" during the Piss Christ episode in Melbourne in 1998.  Were their actions characteristic of all Christians?

You are making up crap, Brain.

How many died because of Mohammed cartoons - and how many died because of Piss Christ?  Tell us, Brain.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: I don't mind Muslims fighting it out among themselves in what they are pleased to call 'Muslim lands', but when they start killing people in the West in the name of said warlord and his crazy teachings, it does concern me and other non-Muslims in the West. Have you ever understood why they have chosen to do that, Soren? It's got little to do with the "Muslim warlord" and a lot to do with what they want their fellow Believers to believe...    ::)

SO they are killing Westerners because they want their fellow Muslims to believe in Mohammed's teachings their way?? ANd you think that's somehow a good explanation?

What the hell is wrong with you? Is there no limit to your spineless squishiness?

Quantum wrote on Jun 9^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

... the word "islamophobia" means shlt all.

All Islamophobes say that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 9th, 2015 at 2:00pm: ... the word "islamophobia" means shlt all. All Islamophobes say that.

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Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: Because they tend to be very aggressively violent in defence of their semi-literate warlord and his absurd claims. Some do, most don't, Soren. Just as some Christians proved "aggressively violent in defence of their saviour" during the Piss Christ episode in Melbourne in 1998.  Were their actions characteristic of all Christians? You are making up crap, Brain. How many died because of Mohammed cartoons - and how many died because of Piss Christ?  Tell us, Brain.

How many Christians were removed from the Gallery because of the danger they represented to the work(s) of Art, Soren?

How many Christians demonstrated outside, threatening the work(s) of Army, Soren?

I thought we were talking about a principle, not numbers but of course, everytime you find yourself being tripped because of principle, you throw in the numbers argument.   You delight in doing that, don't you?   It's hollow and futile even trying to discuss this with you.  You keep moving your goalposts, every time a goal is scored.    ::)

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: I don't mind Muslims fighting it out among themselves in what they are pleased to call 'Muslim lands', but when they start killing people in the West in the name of said warlord and his crazy teachings, it does concern me and other non-Muslims in the West. Have you ever understood why they have chosen to do that, Soren? It's got little to do with the "Muslim warlord" and a lot to do with what they want their fellow Believers to believe...    ::) SO they are killing Westerners because they want their fellow Muslims to believe in Mohammed's teachings their way?? ANd you think that's somehow a good explanation?

It is actually an excellent explanation, Soren.  Whether you agree with it or not, it is how they, themselves express their reasoning.   The objective of September 11 was not to hurt the United States as much as provoke the United States to hurt Muslims by striking back, and so creating chaos which Usama bin Laden could profit from.   Seems to have worked in Afghanistan and Iraq.


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What the hell is wrong with you? Is there no limit to your spineless squishiness?

My opinion wasn't even asked, Soren, nor did I offer it, yet you seem to believe that makes me "spineless" and "squishy"?

I have expressed myself in the past that I condemn Terrorism and Terrorists.  Do I need to repeat that for you in every post?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: Because they tend to be very aggressively violent in defence of their semi-literate warlord and his absurd claims. Some do, most don't, Soren. Just as some Christians proved "aggressively violent in defence of their saviour" during the Piss Christ episode in Melbourne in 1998.  Were their actions characteristic of all Christians? You are making up crap, Brain. How many died because of Mohammed cartoons - and how many died because of Piss Christ?  Tell us, Brain. How many Christians were removed from the Gallery because of the danger they represented to the work(s) of Art, Soren? How many Christians demonstrated outside, threatening the work(s) of Army, Soren? I thought we were talking about a principle, not numbers but of course, everytime you find yourself being tripped because of principle, you throw in the numbers argument.   You delight in doing that, don't you?   It's hollow and futile even trying to discuss this with you.  You keep moving your goalposts, every time a goal is scored.    ::)

Sooooo...... How many died because of Mohammed cartoons - and how many died because of Piss Christ?

Being removed from a gallery or protesting outside IS NOT THE SAME as being gunned down, Brain.

Does this difference completely escape you? Am I goalpost shifting when I do not accept the your stupid, spineless equivocation between demonstrations and murders?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 4:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: I don't mind Muslims fighting it out among themselves in what they are pleased to call 'Muslim lands', but when they start killing people in the West in the name of said warlord and his crazy teachings, it does concern me and other non-Muslims in the West. Have you ever understood why they have chosen to do that, Soren? It's got little to do with the "Muslim warlord" and a lot to do with what they want their fellow Believers to believe...    ::) SO they are killing Westerners because they want their fellow Muslims to believe in Mohammed's teachings their way?? ANd you think that's somehow a good explanation? It is actually an excellent explanation, Soren.  Whether you agree with it or not, it is how they, themselves express their reasoning.   The objective of September 11 was not to hurt the United States as much as provoke the United States to hurt Muslims by striking back, and so creating chaos which Usama bin Laden could profit from.   Seems to have worked in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Well, if that is really why they are killing Westerners then there should be no toleration of them and their sympathisers and enablers and excusers. They all deserve to be utterly ostracised and discriminated against. Confiscate their property, strip them of citizenship and boot them out.
How hideous. They have no place in non-Muslims countries.

Soren wrote on Jun 14^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 8:20pm: Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 4:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2015 at 12:57pm: Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 4:40pm: I don't mind Muslims fighting it out among themselves in what they are pleased to call 'Muslim lands', but when they start killing people in the West in the name of said warlord and his crazy teachings, it does concern me and other non-Muslims in the West. Have you ever understood why they have chosen to do that, Soren? It's got little to do with the "Muslim warlord" and a lot to do with what they want their fellow Believers to believe...    ::) SO they are killing Westerners because they want their fellow Muslims to believe in Mohammed's teachings their way?? ANd you think that's somehow a good explanation? It is actually an excellent explanation, Soren.  Whether you agree with it or not, it is how they, themselves express their reasoning.   The objective of September 11 was not to hurt the United States as much as provoke the United States to hurt Muslims by striking back, and so creating chaos which Usama bin Laden could profit from.   Seems to have worked in Afghanistan and Iraq. Well, if that is really why they are killing Westerners then there should be no toleration of them and their sympathisers and enablers and excusers. They all deserve to be utterly ostracised and discriminated against. Confiscate their property, strip them of citizenship and boot them out. How hideous. They have no place in non-Muslims countries.

So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::)

Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims.
It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels.

So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed.

Soren wrote on Jun 14^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:15pm: So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::) Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims. It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels. So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed.

Oh, I don't doubt that, Soren.  However, it is the degree to which they believe in the Q'ran and Mohammed's teachings and how they intend to see them come to fruitition that differentiates them.   Just as you have Catholics and then you have Calvinists and you have Opus Dei...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:15pm: So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::) Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims. It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels. So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed. Oh, I don't doubt that, Soren.  However, it is the degree to which they believe in the Q'ran and Mohammed's teachings and how they intend to see them come to fruitition that differentiates them.   Just as you have Catholics and then you have Calvinists and you have Opus Dei...   ::)

The difference - huge difference - is that the Koran and Mohammed are violent and supremacist, whatever way you interpret them.

Jesus and the New Testament, on the other hand, are about love and self-sacrifice, whichever way you interpret them.

Soren wrote on Jun 14^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:15pm: So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::) Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims. It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels. So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed. Oh, I don't doubt that, Soren.  However, it is the degree to which they believe in the Q'ran and Mohammed's teachings and how they intend to see them come to fruitition that differentiates them.   Just as you have Catholics and then you have Calvinists and you have Opus Dei...   ::) The difference - huge difference - is that the Koran and Mohammed are violent and supremacist, whatever way you interpret them. Jesus and the New Testament, on the other hand, are about love and self-sacrifice, whichever way you interpret them.

That is the happy-clappy interpretation of The Bible and Christ's teachings, Soren.   Care to explain how the church supported European imperialism?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:15pm: So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::) Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims. It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels. So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed. Oh, I don't doubt that, Soren.  However, it is the degree to which they believe in the Q'ran and Mohammed's teachings and how they intend to see them come to fruitition that differentiates them.   Just as you have Catholics and then you have Calvinists and you have Opus Dei...   ::) The difference - huge difference - is that the Koran and Mohammed are violent and supremacist, whatever way you interpret them. Jesus and the New Testament, on the other hand, are about love and self-sacrifice, whichever way you interpret them. That is the happy-clappy interpretation of The Bible and Christ's teachings, Soren.   Care to explain how the church supported European imperialism?   ::)

You talk about European colonisation as if it was a bad thing in itself.

Soren wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:15pm: So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::) Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims. It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels. So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed. Oh, I don't doubt that, Soren.  However, it is the degree to which they believe in the Q'ran and Mohammed's teachings and how they intend to see them come to fruitition that differentiates them.   Just as you have Catholics and then you have Calvinists and you have Opus Dei...   ::) The difference - huge difference - is that the Koran and Mohammed are violent and supremacist, whatever way you interpret them. Jesus and the New Testament, on the other hand, are about love and self-sacrifice, whichever way you interpret them. That is the happy-clappy interpretation of The Bible and Christ's teachings, Soren.   Care to explain how the church supported European imperialism?   ::) You talk about European colonisation as if it was a bad thing in itself.

Ask it's victims that question, Soren.   Ooops, they're all dead, now aren't they?   You've failed to answer the question though, haven't you?  Typical.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Soren wrote on Jun 15th, 2015 at 8:14am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 5:59pm: Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 14th, 2015 at 4:15pm: So, do you mean the Islamists or all Muslims, Soren?   One has to clarify, as you tend to write in such generalist terms that either group could be the subject of your persecution.    ::) Exactly, Brain. The boundaries are so murky and shifting that it is impossible to say what exactly distinguishes non-Islamist Muslims from Islamist Muslims. It requires the coining of exactly such empty labels. So I think it is safe to say that people who believe in the Koran, in Mohammed's prophethood are one big group sharing more with each other (despite the variety of religious fervour among them) than they do with people who reject the Koran and Mohammed. Oh, I don't doubt that, Soren.  However, it is the degree to which they believe in the Q'ran and Mohammed's teachings and how they intend to see them come to fruitition that differentiates them.   Just as you have Catholics and then you have Calvinists and you have Opus Dei...   ::) The difference - huge difference - is that the Koran and Mohammed are violent and supremacist, whatever way you interpret them. Jesus and the New Testament, on the other hand, are about love and self-sacrifice, whichever way you interpret them. That is the happy-clappy interpretation of The Bible and Christ's teachings, Soren.   Care to explain how the church supported European imperialism?   ::) You talk about European colonisation as if it was a bad thing in itself. Ask it's victims that question, Soren.   Ooops, they're all dead, now aren't they?   You've failed to answer the question though, haven't you?  Typical.   ::)

You mean ask the beneficiaries?
The Church and all right thinking people support the spreading of civilisation, bringing literacy, sanitation, railways to the backward and the uncivilised.

Look around the world, the benefits of European civilisation are overwhelming.