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Title: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:54am

it turns out that this practice has been going on For 4 years...

when labour was asked about this practice they said... we do not comment on operational matters...

Are you kidding me? ;D

I'm guessing they will shut the hell up about this issue now what a bunch of hypocritical turds ::)

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by macman on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:08am

Link?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:09am

4 years? Good heavens.

By hook or by crook, eh?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:10am

macman wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Link?

TROLL...

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:20am

a.
it's labor

b.
Labor and Greens have never been in a coalition.

c.
It's the abbott mob that 'Bribe The Boats' illegally.

updated :

Cash payments have been made to members of Indonesian people-smuggling rings by Australian intelligence officials for at least the past four years - including under the former Labor government, Fairfax Media has learnt.

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-boat-turnbacks-australia-paid-people-smugglers-under-former-labor-government-20150615-ghotbt.html

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:32am

Cash payments have been made to members of Indonesian people-smuggling rings by Australian intelligence officials for at least the past four years - including under the former Labor government, Fairfax Media has learnt.

Multiple sources have said that such payments have been part of successive governments' tactics, though not always as part of boat turnbacks, which were not used by the previous government.

The issue exploded into the public sphere with the claim last week - reported by Fairfax Media - that Australian officials paid $US5000 each to six crew members of an asylum-seeker boat crew to return the vessel to Indonesia.

- A hypocrite: Dick Marles.

Labor has gone on the offensive over the claim. But at least one former Labor immigration minister knew of payments under his watch, it is understood.

Fairfax Media has been told that the practice of intelligence agency officials paying members of people-smuggling networks including boat owners and crews goes back to about 2010 under the then Rudd government.

Instances include paying members of syndicates for information about the operations of the syndicate, or to dissuade them from launching boats.

Asked to guarantee that no payments were made to people smugglers under Labor, a spokeswoman for shadow immigration spokesman Richard Marles said: "It's unlawful for the government or the opposition to divulge security or intelligence information."

She indicated that the issue was the confusion created by the initial denials by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and Immigration Minister Peter Dutton that were followed by Prime Minister Tony Abbott's refusal to comment on operational grounds.

"Last week an allegation surfaced that people smugglers were being paid by Australian officials. This was flatly denied by the immigration and foreign ministers.

"These denials have been at complete odds with comments from the Prime Minister.

"This chaos risks creating a dangerous new pull factor."

She said Labor would "not pay people smugglers to keep people on unsafe boats and neither should the government".

The claim has sparked further tension between Canberra and Jakarta, with the Indonesian government demanding answers.

A spokesman for another former Labor immigration minister, Chris Bowen, referred Fairfax Media to the statement of Mr Marles' spokeswoman.

Comment has also been sought from former immigration ministers Tony Burke and Brendan O'Connor.

Labor tactics saw the issue of whether Australia has paid people smugglers dominate question time on Monday.

Ms Bishop, Mr Abbott and Mr Dutton remained steadfast in their refusal to answer questions, citing intelligence, security and operational reasons.

Pressed again on the issue on Tuesday morning, Mr Abbott said Australia "will do whatever is necessary, within the law, consistent with our standards as a decent and humane society to stop the boats".

"I am absolutely confident that at all times Australian agencies have acted within the law," Mr Abbott said. "I am in the business of supporting our agencies, not undermining them."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-boat-turnbacks-australia-paid-people-smugglers-under-former-labor-government-20150615-ghotbt.html

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:35am

Quote:

Asked to guarantee that no payments were made to people smugglers under Labor, a spokeswoman for shadow immigration spokesman Richard Marles said: "It's unlawful for the government or the opposition to divulge security or intelligence information."

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Dick? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Quote:

Fairfax Media has been told that the practice of intelligence agency officials paying members of people-smuggling networks including boat owners and crews goes back to about 2010 under the then Rudd government.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Labor.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am

So the terrible twins are as bad as each other.
Don't think there is any high moral ground either can claim.

How about justifying all the financial cut backs the poor and downtrodden Australians have suffered via the terrible twins while LibLab have been funding people smugglers with the saved cash.

Shame old parties, shame.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dame Pansi on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:45am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Dick? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Tony? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Dick? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Tony? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

The current government uses operational security to prevent people smugglers know what the government is doing to stop their business. Marles is hiding behind operational security while in opposition and confirming Labor's past actions will have no effect on current government operations. So he can safely talk free of operational security.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dame Pansi on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:56am

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

I heard two political journalists ( Chris Uhlman and Mario whatever his name) discussing the polls, they said if you ask people on the street, most people don't like Shorten or Abbott.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

you lying bastard. .. the Greens formed government with the Gillard Labor government so were up to their necks in this treachery. ..

any wonder that coalition government has been described as the worst government in Australia's history! !! >:(

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:04am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Dick? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Tony? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

The current government uses operational security to prevent people smugglers know what the government is doing to stop their business.

In this case the secrecy is only encouraging the people smugglers and is being used to try and protect the government from the Australian community finding out the truth.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You don't see a difference between paying an individual member for information aimed at shutting down the criminal activity and paying people smugglers to smuggle people ?

There has never been any such thing as a Green / Labor coalition.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:20am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Dick? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Tony? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Really? Encouraging people smugglers? Have you seen the number of people in detention centres? So low they're closing some down. Have you seen any boats being taken ashore at Christmas Island lately? No - not since Bowen was Boat People Travel Agent.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

Labor paid them TO smuggle people, while the Coalition (if the allegations are true) has paid them NOT to smuggle people.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:26am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

Supply a link to prove that Greens and Labor where a coalition government.

Go on ... !

Put up, or admit you are wrong.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Dick? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Happy to hide behind "operational security" when it suits you, aren't you Tony? That's a very lame excuse as well, trying to hide behind the law.

Takes a step to the side - Your not capable of addressing the question on todays terms relating to the secrecy on this issue in question.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

Labor paid them TO smuggle people, while the Coalition (if the allegations are true) has paid them NOT to smuggle people.

Did they screw your head on backwards this morning ?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Resolute on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:40am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

Labor paid them TO smuggle people, while the Coalition (if the allegations are true) has paid them NOT to smuggle people.

Did they screw your head on backwards this morning ?

What's that got to do with anything?

At least he hasn't got a vacuum between his ears like you!

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by philperth2010 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:48am

There should be a Royal Commission into our immigration department and what has gone on over the last decade....However with both major parties up the their armpits in this there is not much chance of that ever happening!!!

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Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:50am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

Labor paid them TO smuggle people, while the Coalition (if the allegations are true) has paid them NOT to smuggle people.

I see. So what you're saying here - the point of your entire thread - is that Labor (and the Greens) paid people smugglers to bring refugees to Australia.

And they did so, so that in 10 or 15 years time, when they finally get around to applying for citizenship, they might vote for Labor and the Greens.

All 50,000 of them.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:55am

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

Supply a link to prove that Greens and Labor where a coalition government.

Go on ... !

Put up, or admit you are wrong.

You make it too easy to prove what a fool you are sometimes...

http://australianpolitics.com/2010/09/01/greens-sign-agreement-to-support-gillard.html

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Rider on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:02am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

Supply a link to prove that Greens and Labor where a coalition government.

Go on ... !

Put up, or admit you are wrong.

You make it too easy to prove what a fool you are sometimes...

http://australianpolitics.com/2010/09/01/greens-sign-agreement-to-support-gillard.html

Funniest thing is these labor/Greens fools couldn't even run a proper job of bribing either - the effing boats still came like the D-day crossing of the channel.

Deadset ya wouldn't feed 'em.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Resolute on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:13am

The only way money would have exchanged hands is if during intelligence operations "snouts" (as they used to be called) were paid for informations on when boats were leaving, which is recognised normal procedure during any policing operations, and that includes border protection.

Now make something out of that leftards, because that is the most any investigation into these matters would find, but it certainly is not payment to people smugglers to turn the boats around.

Now we see that the ultra hypocritical Labor party refuses to confirm their payments to people smugglers when they were in office!

Labrat hypocrites!

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

Supply a link to prove that Greens and Labor where a coalition government.

Go on ... !

Put up, or admit you are wrong.

You make it too easy to prove what a fool you are sometimes...

http://australianpolitics.com/2010/09/01/greens-sign-agreement-to-support-gillard.html

Can you point out where Labor and the Greens formed a coalition government.

All I can see is an agreement where Greens guaranteed supply to a minority ---> 'Labor' <--- government.

Repeat, the unsubstantiated claim is ' Labor Greens Coalition', as in the title.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by cods on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:54am:

come on sir even you must know by now that Labor and the rusted on will never admit to anything.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by cods on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

well its like this greeny if she hadnt agreed to that signing.. your lot wouldnt have seen her elected...

we know you cannot possibly understand that that is in fact two parties in bed together.....but thats how everyone else sees it..... even though brownie must have known about the troubles in the govt corridors long before the back stabbing to get her in......

proves how unfussy he was.. it was all about the POWER

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Rider on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:31am

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:54am:

come on sir even you must know by now that Labor and the rusted on will never admit to anything.

As all good Alinskyites know, admit nothing, never apologize, just regroup and attack again on a new front, or on any available front. Attack, attack, attack - they are nothing but filthy attack dogs, it is all they know.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Your opinions are not relevant to the issue being disgusts and have been answered a number of times.

The claim by the hard right is Labor and Greens were a coalition government. They were not. Labor were in government.

This continual lying is because the hard right want to fool voters into believing there isn't a third option ~ a Greens Government option where the terrible twins are in opposition together.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

I understand you have made this personal because you can not argue your case logically, so proving my point there has never been a federal coalition government between Greens and Labor in Australia.

Thank you for admitting defeat.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

I'm not taking it personally. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your arguments are so flawed and devoid of fact as to render them meaningless - irrelevant. Much like the Greens. That you can't even spell merely reinforces my point. Defeat? I suppose you know all about that, seeing as how the Greens are yet to govern this nation without being a parasitic infection of the Labor Party.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

We are still waiting on proof Labor and Greens formed a coalition government.
As of yet, all that has been supplied is that Greens guaranteed supply unless Greens forward a no confidence against the minority Labor government.

Put up proof or be exposed as a troll.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 1:38pm

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

Whatever you say, TROLL!

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

Whatever you say, TROLL!

Name calling and still no facts to support your unsupported position.
I suspect we are on the verge of a white flag surrender by the hard right.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Very_Vinnie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm

Fritz Koorman tried a bit of embellishment on this matter, on Lateline last night
Maybe he should done a translation of the word 'sarcasm' to his more familiar native tongue - and better understood 'scharfer Sarkasmus' ?
He might want to ask a few of his colleagues better versed in Áustralian English - the local colloquialism - 'taking the piss'

For time immemorial, law enforcement agencies the world over (including ASIO, the ADF and state police forces) have paid insiders, snitches and grasses for information on suspected criminal activity - to obtain a conviction

This is VASTLY different than catching a criminal in the middle of committing a crime - and rather than placing them under arrest and charging them, instead, giving them an EXTROADINARILY LARGE amount of cash (to a poor Indonesian fisherman) if they stop that crime they're committing - and send them on their way

... and remember, these are the 'mules' of the game - NOT the 'Mr Bigs'

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.
They are not even thought of even though they sold out to be in coalition with the libs.

Meanwhile the lib supporters are terrified that one day labor could become a coalition partner of the Greens and so try and concoct lies to try and muddy the waters.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

The greens got 2% of the vote in Tamworth, in the country only 1 in 50 think the greens are any good.

What a bitch it must be to be a green loser in the country :D

I have never voted Nats, I like Senator McKenzie she has a brain unlike sarah hanson dumb who thinks sea patrol is real...lmao

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:43pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

It's cherry picking season.

Here's mine :

gnats ~ minus 19.6% in primary vote and minus 27.8% in TTP

www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election-2015/guide/ball/

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:46pm

Back on the matter of payments by Labor......I've read the very vague allegations but it seems to me that at its highest, all that is suggested is that intelligence was paid for on land........wads of notes were not handed out on the high seas.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by cods on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

we all know greenie about the preference swapping as well..they piddle in each other pockets we all know that except you of course...

when you take that blindfold off... no wait a minute the shocking truth might kill you.. so keep on pretending your lot dont do deals...an d that gillard never had to get boobies permission b efore she said anything about CARBON...yep keep on believing its all you have got.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

My opinions are based of the facts, not the ravings of loonies.
How long before they bring your meds sweetie?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

It's cherry picking season.

Here's mine :

gnats ~ minus 19.6% in primary vote and minus 27.8% in TTP

www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election-2015/guide/ball/

First preference in Ballina-
Nats -17,392 , 36.6%
Greens-12,824, 27%
The greens only got Ballina through labor preferences,they were not the first preference.

Ballina also includes Nimbin with all those druggies,Greens senator David Shoebridge want to ban drug sniffer dogs.

Quote:

The Police use of sniffer dogs disproportionately affects queer communities...
davidshoebridge.org.au/tag/sniffer-dogs

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by gandalf on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:19pm

Quote:

Instances include paying members of syndicates for information about the operations of the syndicate, or to dissuade them from launching boats.

Herein lies the obvious difference:

paying people who are involved in criminal activity in order to garner information that will help in eventual arrest and shutting down syndicate activity - is standard practice in the intelligence world.

There is a *WORLD* of difference between this and paying criminals - not as part of an investigation to shut down syndicate activities - but rather to keep the problem swept under the carpet, and the criminals safe from prosecution.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

Quote:

Instances include paying members of syndicates for information about the operations of the syndicate, or to dissuade them from launching boats.

And put the lives of the "cargo" at risk. The alleged boat ran aground on a reef, before it was rescued by Indonesians.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Very_Vinnie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

This is the POINT - me ole mucka !
They DIDN'T do "the exact same thing"
Not within coo-ee of it

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

For time immemorial, law enforcement agencies the world over (including ASIO, the ADF and state police forces) have paid insiders, snouts and grasses for information on suspected criminal activity - to obtain a conviction

This is VASTLY different than catching a criminal in the middle of committing a crime - and rather than placing them under arrest and charging them, instead, giving them an EXTRORDINARILY LARGE amount of cash (to a poor Indonesian fisherman) if they stop that crime they're committing - and send them on their way

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by skippy. on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

It's cherry picking season.

Here's mine :

gnats ~ minus 19.6% in primary vote and minus 27.8% in TTP

www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election-2015/guide/ball/

The Police use of sniffer dogs disproportionately affects queer communities...
davidshoebridge.org.au/tag/sniffer-dogs

Liar. Nimbin is in the Lismore electorate where the father of a bikie/convicted drug dealer just scraped in after two weeks of counting after nearly losing a seat with a 22% margin to the Greens:-/

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

we know you are embarresed by it, but there was. and what a disaster.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! ::)

he left in year 3, not 4. and he failed year 3.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

a fairly artificial distinction at best, especially when under Labor there were no turnbacks.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:54pm

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

This is the POINT - me ole mucka !
They DIDN'T do "the exact same thing"
Not within coo-ee of it

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

you really are quite the hypocrite, arent you!

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

It's cherry picking season.

Here's mine :

gnats ~ minus 19.6% in primary vote and minus 27.8% in TTP

www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election-2015/guide/ball/

The Police use of sniffer dogs disproportionately affects queer communities...
davidshoebridge.org.au/tag/sniffer-dogs

Thanks for the link, Baron. I had no idea how pointless sniffer dogs are.

All they detect on the street is a whiff of last night’s session or a joint or two.

BAN THEM.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

we know you are embarresed by it, but there was. and what a disaster.

What year is your spelling level, Longy?

I’m curious.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

Quote:

He said Indonesian police were investigating the issue.

"To see if money has been transferred to Indonesian crew members," Mr Juwana said.

He also made the explosive allegation that Australia had been paying Indonesian search and rescue teams for several years to collect asylum seekers from Australian waters.

He said the policy dated back to before Tony Abbott was elected Prime Minister.

"The money is provided for our search and rescue ships to come in and assist when Australian rescue has been called by asylum seekers in the middle of the sea," Mr Juwana explained.

"They'll come and then Indonesian search and rescue will be contacted and they will meet in the sea and they will - this is what I heard - asylum seekers will be taken from Australian ships and then forced to the sea and then rescued by the Indonesian search and rescue ships."

the Labor/Green coalition did what? :o :o :o

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by philperth2010 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. ::)

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

we know you are embarresed by it, but there was. and what a disaster.

I thought you were marginally above supporting that type of stupidity - I was wrong.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:46pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. ::)

it's

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by double plus good on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. ::)

it's

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Scraping the barrel.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by philperth2010 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. ::)

Glad I could help!!!

:) :) :)

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

this is what the lefties do when they get caught with their pants down..

they start trying to digress with red herrings and typos...

its was like Bill Shorten when the heat was on him about unions corruption...

he started making speeches about the Republic, Aboriginals in the Constitution and Gay Marriage..

you sure fooled us Billy.. ::)

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:00pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. ::)

Goodness me , in all that palaver I burnt my toast.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

Billy getting his ass handed to him by the Women folk of the Parliament.. ;D

Quote:

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop cautioned Mr Shorten against being so categorical in ruling out what Labor governments might have done.

"Don't rely on the advice of your frontbench on ruling in or ruling out security and intelligence matters under Labor's watch," she told him during parliament's question time.

"I think you're being set up."

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:08pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You should watch Question Time and you will see a Master Class in not answering questions.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Billy getting his ass handed to him by the Women folk of the Parliament.. ;D

Quote:

Yeas, I saw her say that. I did not see any ass being handed. I saw a bitchy female who had been caught like a deer in headlights in action.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by philperth2010 on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Yeah no red herrings or off topic bullshit from you is there mate???

::) ::) ::)

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:21pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Yeah no red herrings or off topic bullshit from you is there mate???

::) ::) ::)

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)

oh ok...

do try and think for yourself from time to time..

there's a good boy..

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Very_Vinnie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

This is the POINT - me ole mucka !
They DIDN'T do "the exact same thing"
Not within coo-ee of it

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

you really are quite the hypocrite, arent you!

Not at ALL
Try reading it AGAIN

PER-HAPS A LIT-TLE MORE SLOW-LY

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Very_Vinnie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

This is the POINT - me ole mucka !
They DIDN'T do "the exact same thing"
Not within coo-ee of it

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

you really are quite the hypocrite, arent you!

Not at ALL
Try reading it AGAIN

PER-HAPS A LIT-TLE MORE SLOW-LY

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:26pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

Those aren't facts at all.

Would you like to try again?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:31pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

who did anything illegal?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:34pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

who did anything illegal?

I have no confidence that what they are up is legal or accords with Australia's international obligations to asylum seekers. Corners are being cut somewhere...hence the veil of secrecy. If all was above board, there would be no reason to hide what we are actually doing.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Steampipe on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Sit down, because this is going to come as a bit of a shock to you.

Gillard and Rudd aren't in Government.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by The Mechanic on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:46pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

who did anything illegal?

matters of National Security have no place in a Public Forum...

the silly labrats and the Greens should know this..

but instead..

they use ~~Asylum Seekers~~ illegals as a political football..

Kevin Rudd started this when he lied through his teeth about keeping John Howards border security measures..

if he has just put his Ego away for 10 seconds, he'd have left all well and good alone..

listen...

I don't care what Liberal, Labor, Greens or what any other political party or individual does as long as they keep border security..

just do it...

don't comment on it...

don't use it as a political football...

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Steampipe on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Sit down, because this is going to come as a bit of a shock to you.

Gillard and Rudd aren't in Government.

If and I say if the people smugglers were paid to turn around it looks like it was a policy put in place by the Labor government, I'm sure you have come to that conclusion. Unless of course you have changed your tune.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:49pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

who did anything illegal?

matters of National Security have no place in a Public Forum...

the silly labrats and the Greens should know this..

but instead..

they use Asylum Seekers as a political football..

...

What do asylum seekers have to do with national security?

Oh, hang on, let me guess - terrorists are coming to Australia on leaky boats.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:51pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Sit down, because this is going to come as a bit of a shock to you.

Gillard and Rudd aren't in Government.

Changed my tune about what, exactly?

I have condemned the ALP's policies on asylum seekers from day one.

Perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else :-/

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by innocentbystander. on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Oh, hang on, let me guess - terrorists are coming to Australia on leaky boats.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Terrorists coming by boat, naaah never gonna happen :D ...

Italy arrests migrant who reached Europe by boat over Tunisia museum attack

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11617369/Italy-arrests-Tunisia-museum-terror-attack-suspect.html

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:57pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Oh, hang on, let me guess - terrorists are coming to Australia on leaky boats.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is the boat Monis came on, thanks to Howard:

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Steampipe on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Sit down, because this is going to come as a bit of a shock to you.

Gillard and Rudd aren't in Government.

Changed my tune about what, exactly?

I have condemned the ALP's policies on asylum seekers from day one.

Perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else :-/

Yeah you look like Aussie, say where is Aussie, why is she not calling for a RC into Labor paying the people smugglers.lol

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by innocentbystander. on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

This is the boat Monis came on, thanks to Howard:

i
Thats actually a plane Greggy, the fact that you think its a boat does explain why you have severe comprehension issues though. ;D

Oh and Howard isn't an airline pilot either ;D

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Oh, hang on, let me guess - terrorists are coming to Australia on leaky boats.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is the boat Monis came on, thanks to Howard:

SHAME LABOR SHAME

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:13pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

This is the boat Monis came on, thanks to Howard:

Thats actually a plane Greggy, the fact that you think its a boat does explain why you have severe comprehension issues though.

Good heavens, you’re right. I didn’t notice that.

Did they have planes in Howard’s time?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:15pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

This is the boat Monis came on, thanks to Howard:

Thats actually a plane Greggy, the fact that you think its a boat does explain why you have severe comprehension issues though.

Good heavens, you’re right. I didn’t notice that.

Did they have planes in Howard’s time?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Karnal on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:17pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

This is the boat Monis came on, thanks to Howard:

Thats actually a plane Greggy, the fact that you think its a boat does explain why you have severe comprehension issues though.

Good heavens, you’re right. I didn’t notice that.

Did they have planes in Howard’s time?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:18pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Sit down, because this is going to come as a bit of a shock to you.

Gillard and Rudd aren't in Government.

Changed my tune about what, exactly?

I have condemned the ALP's policies on asylum seekers from day one.

Perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else :-/

Yeah you look like Aussie, say where is Aussie, why is she not calling for a RC into Labor paying the people smugglers.lol

I am here, as usual. You will see my name on the Roll as being present. If you don't see it, I'm not here. That's not too hard for you is it?

I regard it as completely plausible and acceptable for any Government to pay for intelligence (which is what I suggest Labor did.....no-one actually knows) but I do not accept it is legal that Abbott hand my tax dollar to Achmed on the high seas to engage reverse gear and head to another Country. I also have reservations about our Navy hijacking vessels on the high seas where we have no jurisdiction whatsoever. They get away with it because they have guns. One day it might dawn on Achmed to have a couple of M16s on board to repel pirates. The shite would hit the fan then, wot?

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Steampipe on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:31pm

But But Aussie Shortie has refused to answer a simple question when asked if Labor paid the people smugglers to turn around. Don't you want a RC to find out the truth Aussie.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:12pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

But But Aussie Shortie has refused to answer a simple question when asked if Labor paid the people smugglers to turn around. Don't you want a RC to find out the truth Aussie.

Sure, why not. I want the truth just like everyone ought be given. You do have something wrong there. Shorten did unequivocally deny paying Achmed to turn around.

But, I'm happy to see a Royal Commission investigate the entire issue, and let's see where the chips fall.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:12pm

Bump One.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Rhino on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16pm

god you are mind boggling stupid Aussie. you really are.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Aussie on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

But But Aussie Shortie has refused to answer a simple question when asked if Labor paid the people smugglers to turn around. Don't you want a RC to find out the truth Aussie.

Nobody ever accused Labor of paying to turn back boats, everyone understands that it never happened.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

the Facts are in..

and Labor still opposes the policies that have stopped the boats????

So do I because I have no confidence that my Government is acting within the Law. I do not want them doing illegal things in my name or on my behalf.

Are you talking about Gillard or Rudd or both.

Sit down, because this is going to come as a bit of a shock to you.

Gillard and Rudd aren't in Government.

Pretty sure that nobody is claiming any such thing.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Quote:

labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

:-? :-? :-?

Actually its not Labour there was never a coalition government and there was no payment to people smugglers to turn back.

It's the trifecta of wrong.

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

But But Aussie Shortie has refused to answer a simple question when asked if Labor paid the people smugglers to turn around.

Incorrect.

'Labor did not pay people smugglers to turn around boats': Bill Shorten

"Mr Shorten told reporters on Tuesday: "I am informed that Labor did not pay people smugglers to turn around boats."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-did-not-pay-people-smugglers-to-turn-around-boats-bill-shorten-20150616-ghp27h.html

Title: Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

god you are mind boggling stupid Aussie. you really are.

Yes I thought his Bump One comment was over the top too.