In Tunisia a terrorist smuggled a gun onto a tourist beach and mowed down dozens of holidaying tourists.

In Kuwait a mosque was bombed, 27 murdered.

In France a factory worker was beheaded.

Just another day in the activities of ISIS.

The world must unite and crush this threat which is being fanned by the flames of fanaticism. This is just as strong as any previous dark threat to the world. It is no less dangerous the Naziism and most probably more dangerous because the Internet has made the world a very small place indeed. ISIS posts over 100,000 items a day to convince the young and naiive to join this evil movement.

The world must join together and crush ISIS out of existence...whatever it takes.

No one,  no place is safe from ISIS.

red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

The world must unite and crush this threat which is being fanned by the flames of fanaticism. This is just as strong as any previous dark threat to the world. It is no less dangerous the Naziism and most probably more dangerous because the Internet has made the world a very small place indeed. ISIS posts over 100,000 items a day to convince the young and naiive to join this evil movement.

Yeah, when we can have a "movement" of our own. The "world" can all get together and wear an emblem that says "anti-ISIS" and I don't know, maybe make them wear it on brown shirt and hail in unity something like this:
http://itmakessenseblog.com/files/2012/10/HitlerYouth1.png

Then the world can gather up all suspected ISIS terrorists without trial and execute them at will. Maybe form a special police state that does this. Of course, highly militarize this so endless war and those who profit from it have unlimited means then once after the ISIS threat more maybe the world can do the same for the poor, the sick, the disabled. How about those of a Sikh, Taoist, or moreover Jewish religion?

No doubt there will have to be a centralized leader who will run this even if they may be a puppet but who cares? Blind devotion outweighs human intelligence.

Funny how history can so easily repeat itself.

But at least we'll be "safe."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435353582

there is already a thread on this...

in thinking globally

Marla,

Quote:

Then the world can gather up all suspected ISIS terrorists without trial and execute them at will.

Where do I sign up?

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/

So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine.

I will only consider joining the brown shirt group that does away with ALL organised religion, that is one of the many keys to this problem...

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine.

Being the straightest person on Ozpolitic - I should be fine.

Good point. The defining characteristic of Islamic terrorism is their high degree of organisation.

I take  it from your post Marla, that you are a fan of ISIS terrorists walking onto beaches and mowing down tourists sunning themselves or Muslims at prayer in their Mosque when 27 of them were dispatched at the hands of an ISIS bomber.

That O.K. with you Marla should we give them a humanitarian award?

When Naziism rose the world sat on its hands and allowed Hitler to grow strong.

As a direct result of that Hitler murdered six million Jews in Germany alone. Of course millions more souls were to follow in the great conflict. One that should never have eventuated if the allies had acted before Hitler became a demi God to the Germans.

Let's hear what your cure is? Bear in mind that ISIS are murdering other followers of Islam, they don't like the Shiites or the Sunnies...only ISIS exists for them and they are quite happy to butcher their brothers.

red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

I take  it from your post Marla, that you are a fan of ISIS terrorists walking onto beaches and mowing down tourists sunning themselves or Muslims at prayer in their Mosque when 27 of them were dispatched at the hands of an ISIS bomber. That O.K. with you Marla should we give them a humanitarian award? When Naziism rose the world sat on its hands and allowed Hitler to grow strong. As a direct result of that Hitler murdered six million Jews in Germany alone. Of course millions more souls were to follow in the great conflict. One that should never have eventuated if the allies had acted before Hitler became a demi God to the Germans. Let's hear what your cure is? Bear in mind that ISIS are murdering other followers of Islam, they don't like the Shiites or the Sunnies...only ISIS exists for them and they are quite happy to butcher their brothers.

The only cure is to hang them in public.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKITYu7z-AY

Where are the resident ISIS apologists now?

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Where are the resident ISIS apologists now?

Sprint and Yadda, you mean?

red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

I take  it from your post Marla, that you are a fan of ISIS terrorists walking onto beaches and mowing down tourists sunning themselves or Muslims at prayer in their Mosque when 27 of them were dispatched at the hands of an ISIS bomber.

A fan? Nope.


red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

That O.K. with you Marla should we give them a humanitarian award?

Why wouldn't that be socialism?


red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

When Naziism rose the world sat on its hands and allowed Hitler to grow strong.As a direct result of that Hitler murdered six million Jews in Germany alone. Of course millions more souls were to follow in the great conflict. One that should never have eventuated if the allies had acted before Hitler became a demi God to the Germans.

Yet you purpose the same mindset.


red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

Let's hear what your cure is? Bear in mind that ISIS are murdering other followers of Islam, they don't like the Shiites or the Sunnies...only ISIS exists for them and they are quite happy to butcher their brothers.

For one, I'd love to see an abolishment of all religions. Yes, ALL of them. about 90% of the world's horrors would end overnight.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:26am: Where are the resident ISIS apologists now? Sprint and Yadda, you mean?

I don't see that.

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: I take  it from your post Marla, that you are a fan of ISIS terrorists walking onto beaches and mowing down tourists sunning themselves or Muslims at prayer in their Mosque when 27 of them were dispatched at the hands of an ISIS bomber. A fan? Nope. red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: That O.K. with you Marla should we give them a humanitarian award? Why wouldn't that be socialism? red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: When Naziism rose the world sat on its hands and allowed Hitler to grow strong.As a direct result of that Hitler murdered six million Jews in Germany alone. Of course millions more souls were to follow in the great conflict. One that should never have eventuated if the allies had acted before Hitler became a demi God to the Germans. Yet you purpose the same mindset. Let's hear what your cure is? Bear in mind that ISIS are murdering other followers of Islam, they don't like the Shiites or the Sunnies...only ISIS exists for them and they are quite happy to butcher their brothers.

[/quote]If it wasn't for your country invading other countries we probably wouldn't have ISIS.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:57am: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:26am: Where are the resident ISIS apologists now? Sprint and Yadda, you mean? I don't see that.

Are you kidding me?

Those two are apologising for terrorists every single day.

They maintain that it's Islam that makes them do what they do.

They constantly tell us that these crazy terrorists do these things just because they're Muslims.

According to Sprint and Yadda, they'd be perfectly respectable members of the community if it wasn't for religion.

What a crock!

Stop making excuses for these lunatics.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:57am: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:26am: Where are the resident ISIS apologists now? Sprint and Yadda, you mean? I don't see that. Are you kidding me? Those two are apologising for terrorists every single day. They maintain that it's Islam that makes them do what they do. They constantly tell us that these crazy terrorists do these things just because they're Muslims. According to Sprint and Yadda, they'd be perfectly respectable members of the community is it wasn't for religion. What a crock! Stop making excuses for these lunatics.

They are killing people because they are muslims. Respectable member of society if without religion? When did they say that?

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

If it wasn't for your country invading other countries we probably wouldn't have ISIS.

Probably

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:07pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:57am: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:26am: Where are the resident ISIS apologists now? Sprint and Yadda, you mean? I don't see that. Are you kidding me? Those two are apologising for terrorists every single day. They maintain that it's Islam that makes them do what they do. They constantly tell us that these crazy terrorists do these things just because they're Muslims. According to Sprint and Yadda, they'd be perfectly respectable members of the community is it wasn't for religion. What a crock! Stop making excuses for these lunatics. They are killing people because they are muslims.

Now you're making excuses for terrorists.

They are killing people because they are crazy, evil bastards.

Religion is just the catalyst.

"They just got caught up in the wrong crowd".

Crap! A cop out.

If this crowd (Islam) didn't exist, they'd find another crowd or another excuse for their actions.

They are solely responsible for the killings.

Don't make excuses for them by blaming Islam (or any other trigger that may set them off).

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:04pm: If it wasn't for your country invading other countries we probably wouldn't have ISIS. Probably

The Iraq invasion created such a mess that ISIS could be formed.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

The Iraq invasion created such a mess that ISIS could be formed.

Probably

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:07pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:03pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:57am: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:26am: Where are the resident ISIS apologists now? Sprint and Yadda, you mean? I don't see that. Are you kidding me? Those two are apologising for terrorists every single day. They maintain that it's Islam that makes them do what they do. They constantly tell us that these crazy terrorists do these things just because they're Muslims. According to Sprint and Yadda, they'd be perfectly respectable members of the community is it wasn't for religion. What a crock! Stop making excuses for these lunatics. They are killing people because they are muslims. Now you're making excuses for terrorists. They are killing people because they are crazy, evil bastards. Religion is just the catalyst. "They just got caught up in the wrong crowd". Crap! A cop out. If this crowd (Islam) didn't exist, they'd find another crowd or another excuse for their actions. They are solely responsible for the killings. Don't make excuses for them by blaming Islam (or any other trigger that may set them off).

They follow a book that talks about spreading islam through blood and conquest. That's where they get their ideas from. They are weak minded people who are brainwashed but this rubbish.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

They follow a book that talks about spreading islam through blood and conquest. That's where they get their ideas from. They are weak minded people who are brainwashed by this rubbish.

Yes, weak minded people who would be just as easily brainwashed by someone or something else, if Islam didn't exist.

These weak minded, evil bastards are the ones who are ultimately to blame for terrorist attacks - not a religion, or a book (unless you've seen a book somewhere carrying a bomb).

Stop making excuses for them.

red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

In Tunisia a terrorist smuggled a gun onto a tourist beach and mowed down dozens of holidaying tourists. In Kuwait a mosque was bombed, 27 murdered. In France a factory worker was beheaded. Just another day in the activities of ISIS. The world must unite and crush this threat which is being fanned by the flames of fanaticism. This is just as strong as any previous dark threat to the world. It is no less dangerous the Naziism and most probably more dangerous because the Internet has made the world a very small place indeed. ISIS posts over 100,000 items a day to convince the young and naiive to join this evil movement. The world must join together and crush ISIS out of existence...whatever it takes. No one,  no place is safe from ISIS.

They wouldn't have the internet if leftist governments didn't let Muslims invade their countries to sit on the dole and plan against the very people who gave them a great life...  >:(

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:29am: http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine. Being the straightest person on Ozpolitic - I should be fine.

Uh Oh, Yaddas In Trouble!

Yadda is shamelessly, a very gay person.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:23pm: They follow a book that talks about spreading islam through blood and conquest. That's where they get their ideas from. They are weak minded people who are brainwashed by this rubbish. Yes, weak minded people who would be just as easily brainwashed by someone or something else, if Islam didn't exist. These weak minded, evil bastards are the ones who are ultimately to blame for terrorist attacks - not a religion, or a book (unless you've seen a book somewhere carrying a bomb). Stop making excuses for them.

You can't entirely blame a book or a Imam but it definitely goes a long way. Look at what Hitler made the Germans do. Weak minded people can be lead to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. And this business about Islam being about peace is rubbish. No large religion is entirely about peace. Some people will be charitable religious people and some with blow people away coming out of abortion clinics. There is a spectrum of beliefs contained in a religion. Islam is a highly militant section of believers. So has Christianity. Doesn't mean they aint Muslims and Christians.

red baron wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

I take  it from your post Marla, that you are a fan of ISIS terrorists walking onto beaches and mowing down tourists sunning themselves or Muslims at prayer in their Mosque         when 27 of them were dispatched at the hands of an ISIS bomber.

The victims in the mosque were NOT moslems, baron.

Those Shia who died,    were filthy, stinking infidels       who deserved to die!

Ask any Sunni moslem.



[devout moslems can lawfully kill any INFIDEL,        but not a fellow moslem.

To the Shia, Sunnis are infidels.
And to the Sunnis, Shia are infidels.

That is how Allah's perfect religion works!!         :D   ]





.




Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




.




And the example of  moslem community leader,, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

FIRST speaking publicly ------- >



Quote:

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

BUT, NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM - SPEAKING [PRIVATELY] TO A GROUP OF MOSLEMS ------- >


Quote:

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

Yadda wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:29am: http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine. Being the straightest person on Ozpolitic - I should be fine. Uh Oh, Yaddas In Trouble! Yadda is shamelessly, a very gay person.

You don't sound too gay to me Yadda, you're straight out packing sh1t about Islam every single day.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Weak minded people can be lead to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

The ultimate responsibility lies with them.

Don't make excuses for evil bastards.

Don't be a terrorist apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:01pm: Weak minded people can be lead to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. The ultimate responsibility lies with them. Don't make excuses for evil bastards. Don't be a terrorist apologist.

I'm not making excuses for these pieces of filth. But I'm not going to overlook the string pullers either. Hitler was a string puller so I suppose you don't blame him. It was evil German population hey?

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: Let's hear what your cure is? Bear in mind that ISIS are murdering other followers of Islam, they don't like the Shiites or the Sunnies...only ISIS exists for them and they are quite happy to butcher their brothers. For one, I'd love to see an abolishment of all religions. Yes, ALL of them. about 90% of the world's horrors would end overnight.

Marla,

What you are saying, is that you want to BAN free thought ?

Are you sure that you are not, a filthy stinking moslem ?

I ask,         because, that is the exact dictate of ISLAM too,        .....to make it a crime to believe, or to think, about anything except what ISLAM sanctions [and what moslems believe].




p.s.
Yadda would support a ban on the practice of ISLAM, here, in Australia.     [because ISLAM is a tyrannical and fascist philosophy, imo.]

But, contra-wise,        Yadda would NOT support, for example, a ban on access to, and the reading and study of the the contents of the Koran [or Hadith].          [because i want people to understand and know, exactly what it is that ISLAM promotes in the world! ]







THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:29am: http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine. Being the straightest person on Ozpolitic - I should be fine. Uh Oh, Yaddas In Trouble! Yadda is shamelessly, a very gay person. You don't sound too gay to me Yadda, you're straight out packing sh1t about Islam every single day.

pansi,

I think that ppl like yourself, are wonderful too.                 :)

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine.

It has not been illegal to be gay in the defence forces for 15 years, FD.   ::)

Of course. You had an illustrious military career didn't you? Back before your illustrious academic career....

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:23pm: They follow a book that talks about spreading islam through blood and conquest. That's where they get their ideas from. They are weak minded people who are brainwashed by this rubbish. Yes, weak minded people who would be just as easily brainwashed by someone or something else, if Islam didn't exist. These weak minded, evil bastards are the ones who are ultimately to blame for terrorist attacks - not a religion, or a book (unless you've seen a book somewhere carrying a bomb). Stop making excuses for them.

I would prefer they were duped into losing all their money rather than blowing up a bus.


double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:18pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:04pm: If it wasn't for your country invading other countries we probably wouldn't have ISIS. Probably The Iraq invasion created such a mess that ISIS could be formed.

ISIS started in Syria. Many blame our lack of intervention there.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:18pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:04pm: If it wasn't for your country invading other countries we probably wouldn't have ISIS. Probably The Iraq invasion created such a mess that ISIS could be formed.

Saddam knew what to do with terrorists -

they should have left him in power to bring law & order.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:01pm: Weak minded people can be lead to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. The ultimate responsibility lies with them. Don't make excuses for evil bastards. Don't be a terrorist apologist.

Precisely.

And let's not forget that these terrorists take their authority from the scriptural Islam.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:29am: http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine. It has not been illegal to be gay in the defence forces for 15 years, FD.   ::)

Eddie had a woman WO on the other day who had a 'partner' named some sheila's name and two kids... just goes to show, eh?  In transport of course..... not Infantry etc... that's men's work... it's called affirmative action and I'm sick and tied of it and the utter waste of time and good people it is.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

Saddam knew what to do with terrorists -

Yes he did. Why he must have killed thousands of innocents just to get to them.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Of course. You had an illustrious military career didn't you? Back before your illustrious academic career....

What does that have to do with disputing the legality of being Gay or not in the ADF, FD?

Do you always resort to such childish ad hominem attacks when you've been proved wrong on a significant point?   ::)

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:49pm: Saddam knew what to do with terrorists - Yes he did. Why he must have killed thousands of innocents just to get to them.

Yes - he used to bulldoze 10's of 1000s of them into massive holes in the desert.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:43pm: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:29am: http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/ So long as you are not 'openly gay' you should be fine. It has not been illegal to be gay in the defence forces for 15 years, FD.   ::) Eddie had a woman WO on the other day who had a 'partner' named some sheila's name and two kids... just goes to show, eh?  In transport of course..... not Infantry etc... that's men's work... it's called affirmative action and I'm sick and tied of it and the utter waste of time and good people it is.

Having served with Gay men and women, before it was legal to be so, all I can say is good on them for recognising that they exist and that they are serving.   Makes the whole matter out in the open and no one can be attacked secretly any more for being Gay.   It is not affirmative action, I can assure you, its equal recognition.    They exist and they choose to serve, Grappler.   I've even known of a Gay Infantry NCO when I was in.   Nice chap.   Hard as nails.  Perhaps he was over-compensating?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm: Of course. You had an illustrious military career didn't you? Back before your illustrious academic career.... What does that have to do with disputing the legality of being Gay or not in the ADF, FD? Do you always resort to such childish ad hominem attacks when you've been proved wrong on a significant point?   ::)

So highlighting your impressive military and academic achievements is an attack? Did you get attacked a lot in the military?

Yadda wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

Marla, What you are saying, is that you want to BAN free thought ?

Since when does any religion allow free thought? Religion is about control, instilling fear and gives little concern for the individual.


Yadda wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

Are you sure that you are not, a filthy stinking moslem

You sure you're not a filthy stinking racist xenophobe?


Yadda wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

Yadda would support a ban on the practice of ISLAM, here, in Australia.     [because ISLAM is a tyrannical and fascist philosophy, imo.

Not much different from the Catholicism teachings I was raised with.

When ISIS invades a city they demolish it and murder innocent civilians with a bloodlust that is simply frightening in its proportions. They then tear down anything that offends their eyes including ancient and important structures built by ancient civilisations.

ISIS are nothing but a terrorist cult and will kill anyone including children that don't fit into their ideology.

They are as evil as it is possible to be.

Marla you are an idealist and very callow about how the real world works.

Marla if they came to your city, you would be one of the victims because ISIS has declared us infidels all enemies and to be murdered at every opportunity.  That is a stone cold fact.

How would you like to see ISIS in your town butchering everyone you love?

Couldn't happen...well left unchecked...yes it could. :)

So the only option is to kill them before they kill us.

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 2:59pm:

So the only option is to kill them before they kill us.

That's a good idea - I wish I would have thought of that.

Yes, Marla a thousand times YES!!!!!

Well, have it.

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 2:59pm:

So the only option is to kill them before they kill us.

You cannot deal logically with illogical people.
You cannot deal moderately with extremists.

islam demands extremist behaviour.

How will I know that I'm killing a terrorist?

What do they look like?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

How will I know that I'm killing a terrorist? What do they look like?

They wear black & have a towel on their head.
They also carry a black flag.

Get the bulldozers & machine guns ready.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:12pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:01pm: Weak minded people can be lead to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. The ultimate responsibility lies with them. Don't make excuses for evil bastards. Don't be a terrorist apologist. Precisely. And let's not forget that these terrorists take their authority from the scriptural Islam.

And if Islam didn't exist, they'd take it from somewhere else.

They are evil bastards, and they alone are ultimately responsible.

Stop being a terrorist apologist.

Quote:

And if Islam didn't exist, they'd take it from somewhere else.

There is nothing quite like Islam. One lunatic adopting some obscure ideology on the other side of the world is no problem. Millions of them around the world propping up an evil dictatorship is entirely different. Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:45pm:

Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine.

And the ultimate responsibility for the deaths lies with the killer.

Stop making excuses for terrorists.

Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis?

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis?

Discuss whatever you like.

However, you should really stop making excuses for terrorists.

Quote me.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

Quote me.

"Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine."

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:45pm:

Quote: And if Islam didn't exist, they'd take it from somewhere else. There is nothing quite like Islam. One lunatic adopting some obscure ideology on the other side of the world is no problem. Millions of them around the world propping up an evil dictatorship is entirely different. Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine.

virtually every WAR in history has been over religion and WAR is a killing machine...lets not forget feeding the CHristians to the Lions..all in the name of.. ........someone who thought he was a god...and expected others to follow suit...


.all rather hideous all out of fear of the unknown....

Jonestown...they were killed for the sake of it...religion  :(

its all poppycock.. each persons interpretation of something written in a dead language...hundreds of years ago .. doesnt really impress me at all...

we have to find a way to live with each other....what is happening today is no different to the Roman Days where the boys were dragged from their homes and murdered

stop pointing the finger and finding a million faults with something

when every religion  has as many if not more faults at their own front door.....

if a million people were able to read the scripts of the original Bible /Koran.. there would be a million different examples....

a real god would have spread tolerance and acceptance..

not hate and killing..its mankind that is doing that.

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"Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine."

How is that an excuse for anything?


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virtually every WAR in history has been over religion and WAR is a killing machine

List them.


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Jonestown...they were killed for the sake of it...religion

Hardly a war is it cods?


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stop pointing the finger and finding a million faults with something

Dedicating your life to the ideology of a 7th century arabian warmonger pedophile is hardly some minor detail you need to go looking for.


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a real god would have spread tolerance and acceptance..

Forgiveness? Turning the other cheek?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm: Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis? Discuss whatever you like. However, you should really stop making excuses for terrorists.

So you believe Islam has nothing at all to do with islamic terrorism?? It's a personal choice? :-/ :-/ :-/

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Quote: "Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine." How is that an excuse for anything? [quote]virtually every WAR in history has been over religion and WAR is a killing machine

List them.


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Jonestown...they were killed for the sake of it...religion

Hardly a war is it cods?


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stop pointing the finger and finding a million faults with something

Dedicating your life to the ideology of a 7th century arabian warmonger pedophile is hardly some minor detail you need to go looking for.


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a real god would have spread tolerance and acceptance..

Forgiveness? Turning the other cheek?[/quote]


we are talking about KILLING FOR RELIGION..

thats what the main difference is between you and I.. I look at the whole you have tunnel vision...can only look from one perspective at a time...

WAR IS A KILLING MACHINE...what else does it achieve accept death b y the zillions... our history is not good is it??...

I think you have a macho problem its unmanly not to want to kill someone thats deemed to be a threat..

you know that could also be the problem with terrorists.. they see their manhood being threatened...

oops maybe they should start chopping off something else rather than heads...... ;D

now that could bring killing to an amazing halt.. ::) ::) ::) ::)

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm: Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis? Discuss whatever you like. However, you should really stop making excuses for terrorists. So you believe Islam has nothing at all to do with islamic terrorism??

Incorrect.

I believe that the person who chops the head off is ultimately responsible for the death of that victim.

Blaming a book or a religion is a cop out.

It's making excuses for evil bastards.

Don't be a terrorist apologist.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Quote: "Islam turns lunacy into a killing machine." How is that an excuse for anything?

It's an excuse for lunatics who kill.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm: Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis? Discuss whatever you like. However, you should really stop making excuses for terrorists. So you believe Islam has nothing at all to do with islamic terrorism?? Incorrect. I believe that the person who chops the head off is ultimately responsible for the death of that victim. Blaming a book or a religion is a cop out. It's making excuses for evil bastards. Don't be a terrorist apologist.

It's not making excuses at all. Most people kill for a reason. Islam is the reason ISIS kill. It's just a fact.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:14pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm: Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis? Discuss whatever you like. However, you should really stop making excuses for terrorists. So you believe Islam has nothing at all to do with islamic terrorism?? Incorrect. I believe that the person who chops the head off is ultimately responsible for the death of that victim. Blaming a book or a religion is a cop out. It's making excuses for evil bastards. Don't be a terrorist apologist. It's not making excuses at all. Most people kill for a reason. Islam is the reason ISIS kill. It's just a fact.

The reason they kill, is they're evil bastards.

Islam is merely the catalyst.

If Islam didn't exist, there would be another catalyst.

Or, are you suggesting that they would just be normal law-abiding citizens if religion didn't exist?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:14pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:55pm: freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm: Would you suggest we refrain from discussing the evils of Nazism in case some fool misinterprets it as excuses for Nazis? Discuss whatever you like. However, you should really stop making excuses for terrorists. So you believe Islam has nothing at all to do with islamic terrorism?? Incorrect. I believe that the person who chops the head off is ultimately responsible for the death of that victim. Blaming a book or a religion is a cop out. It's making excuses for evil bastards. Don't be a terrorist apologist. It's not making excuses at all. Most people kill for a reason. Islam is the reason ISIS kill. It's just a fact. The reason they kill, is they're evil bastards. Islam is merely the catalyst. If Islam didn't exist, there would be another catalyst. Or, are you suggesting that they would just be normal law-abiding citizens if religion didn't exist?

Would you have Nazis without Hitler? It's very possible without their religious beliefs they wouldn't be killers.

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WAR IS A KILLING MACHINE...what else does it achieve accept death b y the zillions... our history is not good is it??...

Islam is a creed of war.


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It's an excuse for lunatics who kill.

How so?


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If Islam didn't exist, there would be another catalyst.

Are these people genetically prone to killing? Why aren't we slaughetering each other to establish a religious state in Western Sydney?

I wish they wouldn't refer to it as a "death cult".

Back in my late teens, I would have found that kind of terminology extremely appealing.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

It's very possible without their religious beliefs they wouldn't be killers.

You're making excuses for them.

Why?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm: It's very possible without their religious beliefs they wouldn't be killers. You're making excuses for them. Why?

Why are you making excuses for Islam?

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double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:42pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm: It's very possible without their religious beliefs they wouldn't be killers. You're making excuses for them. Why? Why are you making excuses for Islam?

I'm not.

Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me.

I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it.

I notice, though, that Islam has never killed a single person.

Similarly, I don't believe that the Koran has ever murdered anyone.

Terrorists, on the other hand, kill people just about every day, and you (along with many others on here) continue to make excuses for them

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:42pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm: It's very possible without their religious beliefs they wouldn't be killers. You're making excuses for them. Why? Why are you making excuses for Islam? I'm not. Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it. I notice, though, that Islam has never killed a single person. Similarly, I don't believe that the Koran has ever murdered anyone. Terrorists, on the other hand, kill people just about every day, and you (along with many others on here) continue to make excuses for them

So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers? You better be sure of that. That's got more holes in it than a Tunisian tourist.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers?

Why do you keep making excuses for killers?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:07pm: So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers? Why do you keep making excuses for killers?

I'm not. I just like to understand motivation. It's a big part of law.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

WAR IS A KILLING MACHINE...what else does it achieve accept death b y the zillions... our history is not good is it??... Islam is a creed of war.

what rubbish....

in that case which side is the creed for war in Ireland????...

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:09pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:07pm: So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers? Why do you keep making excuses for killers? I'm not. I just like to understand motivation. It's a big part of law.

Well, if you want to defend terrorists in a court of law, that's up to you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:09pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:07pm: So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers? Why do you keep making excuses for killers? I'm not. I just like to understand motivation. It's a big part of law. Well, if you want to defend terrorists in a court of law, that's up to you.

Everybody on here knows that I can't stand Islamic terrorists. You are wasting your time. You don't seem to understand that people can be made to do things by other people. It's lost on you. Did Hitler motivate people to kill that otherwise wouldn't have? Just answer it. You won't because you know I'm right. Did a bunch of nutjob clerics and radicals create ISIS and that have motivated many angry people to kill who most probably wouldn't have? Of course. Some would probably always be killers but I believe many wouldn't have without ISIS and it's recruiting program.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:09pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:07pm: So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers? Why do you keep making excuses for killers? I'm not. I just like to understand motivation. It's a big part of law. Well, if you want to defend terrorists in a court of law, that's up to you. Everybody on here knows that I can't stand Islamic terrorists.

I can't stand terrorists.

I don't put an adjective in front of 'terrorist' in order to suggest some sort of excuse for their actions, or to exclude all other terrorists who aren't Muslims.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:09pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:07pm: So if they weren't muslims these people would still be murderers? Why do you keep making excuses for killers? I'm not. I just like to understand motivation. It's a big part of law. Well, if you want to defend terrorists in a court of law, that's up to you. Everybody on here knows that I can't stand Islamic terrorists. I can't stand terrorists. I don't put an adjective in front of 'terrorist' in order to suggest some sort of excuse for their actions, or to exclude all other terrorists who aren't Muslims.

You should do. Terrorism has a political element and a belief system behind it. It would make you better understand. You just won't admit that Islam is the reason most of these nutjobs are killing. You don't like Islam being insulted. I don't care, it's the truth. It's like saying the crusades had nothing to do with Christianity. Wake up to yourself.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

You don't like Islam being insulted.

"Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me.

"I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73


I don't like people making excuses for murderers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: You don't like Islam being insulted. "Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. "I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73 I don't like people making excuses for murderers.

Pretty stupid?? Don't you mean it's ripping the world apart.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:39pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: You don't like Islam being insulted. "Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. "I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73 I don't like people making excuses for murderers. Pretty stupid?? Don't you mean it's ripping the world apart.

OK.

Pretty, pretty stupid.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:39pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: You don't like Islam being insulted. "Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. "I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73 I don't like people making excuses for murderers. Pretty stupid?? Don't you mean it's ripping the world apart. OK. Pretty, pretty stupid.

Poor girl is worried he's going to offend a muslim . YOUR RELIGION IS PRETTY PRETTY STUPID!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:39pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: You don't like Islam being insulted. "Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. "I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73 I don't like people making excuses for murderers. Pretty stupid?? Don't you mean it's ripping the world apart.

You are a terrorist apologist, and an illegal immigrant apologist.

Why do you have such a love for people who break the law?

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:39pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: You don't like Islam being insulted. "Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. "I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73 I don't like people making excuses for murderers. Pretty stupid?? Don't you mean it's ripping the world apart.

The Greatest Obstacle to Anti-Muslim Fearmongering and Bigotry: Reality

Despite what you and Tone Rabbit may claim, you're more likely to die from Lightning than you are from a Muslim Terrorist.  Reality is such a bummer, hey?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:39pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: You don't like Islam being insulted. "Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. "I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435357914/73#73 I don't like people making excuses for murderers. Pretty stupid?? Don't you mean it's ripping the world apart. The Greatest Obstacle to Anti-Muslim Fearmongering and Bigotry: Reality Despite what you and Tone Rabbit may claim, you're more likely to die from Lightning than you are from a Muslim Terrorist.  Reality is such a bummer, hey?   ::)

Depends where I go , doesn't it? So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam? What do you think?

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam?

Very little.  Very, very little.

However, how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam and is shown on TV?  Quite a bit.

Don't be fooled into thinking that what you see on the news is all that's happening in the world.

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

ISIS started in Syria. Many blame our lack of intervention there.

No it started in Iraq. The founder was a former Saddam era intelligence officer - wasn't even religious. There was a fascinating profile on him done by Der Spiegel earlier this year - I highly reccomend it. Its previous incarnation was the so called 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm: So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam? Very little.  Very, very little. However, how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam and is shown on TV?  Quite a bit. Don't be fooled into thinking that what you see on the news is all that's happening in the world.

The world is a mess in many areas. The middle east and Africa is a mess.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm: So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam? Very little.  Very, very little. However, how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam and is shown on TV?  Quite a bit. Don't be fooled into thinking that what you see on the news is all that's happening in the world. The world is a mess in many areas. The middle east and Africa is a mess.

This is news?    ::)

Most of the world is a mess when compared to Australia...

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:01pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm: So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam? Very little.  Very, very little. However, how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam and is shown on TV?  Quite a bit. Don't be fooled into thinking that what you see on the news is all that's happening in the world. The world is a mess in many areas. The middle east and Africa is a mess. This is news?    ::) Most of the world is a mess when compared to Australia...

It would be a hell of a lot better without Islam.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 8:01pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm: So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam? Very little.  Very, very little. However, how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam and is shown on TV?  Quite a bit. Don't be fooled into thinking that what you see on the news is all that's happening in the world. The world is a mess in many areas. The middle east and Africa is a mess. This is news?    ::) Most of the world is a mess when compared to Australia... It would be a hell of a lot better without Islam.

You have much more chance of being killed by a car, than by a terrorist.

The next time you cross the street to avoid walking past a Muslim, you might get knocked down by a Toyota.

double plus good wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 8:01pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm: So how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam? Very little.  Very, very little. However, how much of what's happening around the world right now involves Islam and is shown on TV?  Quite a bit. Don't be fooled into thinking that what you see on the news is all that's happening in the world. The world is a mess in many areas. The middle east and Africa is a mess. This is news?    ::) Most of the world is a mess when compared to Australia... It would be a hell of a lot better without Islam.

Good luck living with that delusion...   ::)

It would be even better without the hate propagation of racist Islamophobists like doubleplusgood.

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

It would be even better without the hate propagation of racist Islamophobists like doubleplusgood.

Don't blame me fruitloop, I'm not blowing things up in the name of allah.

While there are a lot of apologist for, and defenders of Islam, their entire philosophy is to hide from the truth. The Muslim problem is getting worse.

Everybody is missing the point that Saudi Arabia and other Middle East countries with Sunni leadership financed radicalism in their own countries and the Middle East including Al Quaeda and ISIS.

USA financed, armed and trained Al Quaeda in committing  acts of terrorism against Russia when it ruled Afghanistan. In fact that era of America stupidity led to the extreme radicalization of Pakistan as the terrorists used Pakistan as a conduit into Afghanistan and a lot of Pakistanis made a lot of US Dollars from supporting Al Quaeda.

If USA told Saudi Arabia and these Sunni-led countries to stop exporting radicalism and stop supporting Al Quaeda and ISIS they would obey.

The solution is in the hands of USA which created the forces it now calls monsters.

Irregardless of its roots ISIS is an evil entity an organisation that butchers communities on a large scale.

Its charter is to wipe out 'the infidels and anyone else who has nothing but an ISIS point of view. They are feared by fellow Muslims and represent an incredible threat to the world.

They  must be fought with everything the world has or the world will become some post apocalyptic wasteland like something out of Mad Max.

ISIS is THE THREAT to a world that will live in chaos if it succeeds.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:42pm: double plus good wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm: It's very possible without their religious beliefs they wouldn't be killers. You're making excuses for them. Why? Why are you making excuses for Islam? I'm not. Islam is a pretty stupid religion, if you ask me. I don't know why anyone would want to be involved with it. I notice, though, that Islam has never killed a single person. Similarly, I don't believe that the Koran has ever murdered anyone. Terrorists, on the other hand, kill people just about every day, and you (along with many others on here) continue to make excuses for them

Muhammed killed lots of people and offered lots of excuses for people to kill. What is Islam, other than the words and deeds of Muhammed?

red baron wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

ISIS is THE THREAT to a world that will live in chaos if it succeeds.

That's what governments thrive on, red - chaos.

Chaos and fear.

If ISIS is eliminated (and I certainly hope it is), governments around the world will need to find something else to frighten you with.

A frightened population is an easy-to-control population.  Just remember that.

Greg do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?


Unforgiven wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

Everybody is missing the point that Saudi Arabia and other Middle East countries with Sunni leadership financed radicalism in their own countries and the Middle East including Al Quaeda and ISIS. USA financed, armed and trained Al Quaeda in committing  acts of terrorism against Russia when it ruled Afghanistan. In fact that era of America stupidity led to the extreme radicalization of Pakistan as the terrorists used Pakistan as a conduit into Afghanistan and a lot of Pakistanis made a lot of US Dollars from supporting Al Quaeda. If USA told Saudi Arabia and these Sunni-led countries to stop exporting radicalism and stop supporting Al Quaeda and ISIS they would obey. The solution is in the hands of USA which created the forces it now calls monsters.

Would you prefer Russia had been left to have it's way with the Afghans? Or perhaps you would prefer the USA went to war with Russia instead?

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

Muhammed killed lots of people and offered lots of excuses for people to kill. What is Islam, other than the words and deeds of Muhammed?

I'm certainly no fan of Muhammed (not that I believe he ever really existed) or his ridiculous religion.

However, I don't use them to excuse the actions of evil murdering bastards.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

How will I know that I'm killing a terrorist? What do they look like?

They wear black & have a towel on their head.
They also carry a black flag.

Get the bulldozers & machine guns ready.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:13am: Muhammed killed lots of people and offered lots of excuses for people to kill. What is Islam, other than the words and deeds of Muhammed? I'm certainly no fan of Muhammed (not that I believe he ever really existed) or his ridiculous religion. However, I don't use them to excuse the actions of evil murdering bastards.

Neither does anyone else Greg. We are simply stating fairly obvious facts. Those Aussie Muslims would not be over their raping and pillaging if not for their ideology of Islam. This is true regardless of whether Muhammed even existed. Do you agree?

What this is not, is some kind of excuse. There is not Muslim defense like insanity in court. We can say these things and still want them wiped out. You BS is no different to insisting that talking about the evils of Nazism is making excuses for Nazis.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:15am:

Greg do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?

They'd be committing some sort of crime.

They're inherently evil bastards - all they need is a catalyst (excuse).

Islam just happens to be the one that works for them.

You are an inherently good person, I'm assuming.

So, tell me, could you ever be convinced by a book/Islam/religion/charismatic leader/government/money/etc. to kill and rape?

I don't think so.

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They'd be committing some sort of crime.

Everyone commits some sort of crime. This is not the same thing as travelling to the other side of the world to participate in rape and pillage spree with your fellow Muslims.

How about an answer to the question:

Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?


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So, tell me, could you ever be convinced by a book/Islam/religion/charismatic leader/government/money/etc. to kill and rape?

There are plenty of things I would kill for, and probably all of them are in books.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?

Absolutely.

They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

I am going to appoint you team leader of the apologists. Or maybe the poster child. But you need to start accusing everyone else of being irrational more often.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

rubbish.

double plus good wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. rubbish.

They wouldn't be raping? 

Oh, that's right - they're just good boys who got in with the wrong crowd.

It amazes me why you people keep making excuses for these criminals.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. I am going to appoint you team leader of the apologists. Or maybe the poster child.

That's your job.

I make no apologies for evil, murdering bastards.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

double plus good wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. rubbish. They wouldn't be raping?  Oh, that's right - they're just good boys who got in with the wrong crowd. It amazes me why you people keep making excuses for these criminals.

ISIS is about furthering their version of Islam. It's like how the crusades were about Christianity. It's just plain wrong to take Islam out of this equation. Many of these men were at uni or in high paid professions before ISIS. They weren't street hoodlums.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. I am going to appoint you team leader of the apologists. Or maybe the poster child. That's your job. I make no apologies for evil, murdering bastards.

Greggorry can't bring himself to blame Islam. He's a religion apologist.

double plus good wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:02am:

Greggorry can't bring himself to blame Islam.

A belief can't fire a gun, or detonate a bomb, or chop off a head.

The blame lies with the people who do those things.

I make no excuses for those evil murdering bastards.

You, on the other hand, do.

That's your choice.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:09am:

double plus good wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:02am: Greggorry can't bring himself to blame Islam. A belief can't fire a gun, or detonate a bomb, or chop off a head. The blame lies with the people who do those things. I make no excuses for those evil murdering bastards. You, on the other hand, do. That's your choice.

This is the truth. I believe 99% of these  ISIS fighters coming from here wouldn't have killed if it wasn't for this islamic ideaology. It's true that they are the killers but islam is the motivation. It's just a fact you'll have to come to terms with.

double plus good wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

It's true that they are the killers but islam is the motivation.

I agree with you 100%.

Don't let them get away with using a belief system as an excuse, though.

Motivation isn't justification.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

double plus good wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:15am: It's true that they are the killers but islam is the motivation. It's just a fact you'll have to come to terms with. I agree with you 100%. Don't let them get away with using a belief system as an excuse, though. Motivation isn't justification.

Islam is a brainwashing cult. Many people have been brainwashed and killed. Look at Jones with his cyanide cordial. Don't ever underestimate something like Islam. It directs everything in their lives. People suicide themselves for Islam. Fathers have murdered their daughters for Islam. Islam is the life direction for a muslim.

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double plus good wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:19am: double plus good wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:15am: It's true that they are the killers but islam is the motivation. It's just a fact you'll have to come to terms with. I agree with you 100%. Don't let them get away with using a belief system as an excuse, though. Motivation isn't justification. Islam is a brainwashing cult. ... Don't ever underestimate something like Islam.

Again, I agree with you 100%.

And still, motivation is not justification.

Don't let people use a belief system as an excuse for murder.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

Want to try again Greg?

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg?

Try what again?

My answer remains the same: "absolutely".

Islam is just the excuse they use today.

If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification.

I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them.

Many individuals or groups use religion as their excuse for carrying out their own perverted version of what is 'the way'.

This ISIS way respects no one and wants to kill everyone who do not agree with their own extreme and perverted version of Islam. Their religion is hate, murder and mayhem. That's about the sum total of what they represent.

bump

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: I take  it from your post Marla, that you are a fan of ISIS terrorists walking onto beaches and mowing down tourists sunning themselves or Muslims at prayer in their Mosque when 27 of them were dispatched at the hands of an ISIS bomber. A fan? Nope. red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: That O.K. with you Marla should we give them a humanitarian award? Why wouldn't that be socialism? red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: When Naziism rose the world sat on its hands and allowed Hitler to grow strong.As a direct result of that Hitler murdered six million Jews in Germany alone. Of course millions more souls were to follow in the great conflict. One that should never have eventuated if the allies had acted before Hitler became a demi God to the Germans. Yet you purpose the same mindset. red baron wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:07am: Let's hear what your cure is? Bear in mind that ISIS are murdering other followers of Islam, they don't like the Shiites or the Sunnies...only ISIS exists for them and they are quite happy to butcher their brothers. For one, I'd love to see an abolishment of all religions. Yes, ALL of them. about 90% of the world's horrors would end overnight.

Marlon's smoking too much of his home grown plants!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg? Try what again? My answer remains the same: "absolutely". Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification. I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them.

Good on you for having another go.

Are you having difficulty understanding the question?

Who go's to Tunisia for a holiday anyway?, what a sh!t hole, all that way just to lounge around on a scummy beach in your bikini and insult allah, can't say I've got much sympathy, plenty of beaches around that aren't surrounded by millions of insane muslims. 

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg? Try what again? My answer remains the same: "absolutely". Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification. I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them. Good on you for having another go. Are you having difficulty understanding the question?

Your question:

"Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?"

My answer:

"Yes".

If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

Who go's to Tunisia for a holiday anyway?, what a sh!t hole, all that way just to lounge around on a scummy beach in your bikini and insult allah, can't say I've got much sympathy, plenty of beaches around that aren't surrounded by millions of insane muslims.

Bali?

red baron wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Many individuals or groups use religion as their excuse for carrying out their own perverted version of what is 'the way'. This ISIS way respects no one and wants to kill everyone who do not agree with their own extreme and perverted version of Islam. Their religion is hate, murder and mayhem. That's about the sum total of what they represent.

That's about the strength of it, Red.. well put.

double plus good wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:19am: double plus good wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:15am: It's true that they are the killers but islam is the motivation. It's just a fact you'll have to come to terms with. I agree with you 100%. Don't let them get away with using a belief system as an excuse, though. Motivation isn't justification. Islam is a brainwashing cult. Many people have been brainwashed and killed. Look at Jones with his cyanide cordial. Don't ever underestimate something like Islam. It directs everything in their lives. People suicide themselves for Islam. Fathers have murdered their daughters for Islam. Islam is the life direction for a muslim.

The basic idea of Islam is 'submission' and Islam means just that.. trouble is that every borderline personality with little to no solid grounding will thus be swayed by every Mullah's voice he/she hears.

When some rabid Mullah spouts nonsense like 'kill all infidels' etc, and makes it sound as if this is the good oil - then every borderline character jumps at this as being the solid value and virtue it is not - it's just words by one idiot to another.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg? Try what again? My answer remains the same: "absolutely". Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification. I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them. Good on you for having another go. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Your question: "Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?" My answer: "Yes". If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you.

Yes please.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

If islam did not exist what excuse would they use ?
Why did they bother flying over there, if they were going to do it anyway ?

Quote:

..........Student turned killer Seifeddine Rezgui declared he was willing to die so “Islamic state can be installed”. .......

If islam did not exist, this would not have happened.

Ban islam

Choosing a holiday destination ...


Nice sandy beach  ... check
Cheap food and drink ... check
Room service ... check
Recent massacre of foreign tourists by insane jihadis ... check


OK then lets book  :D :D :D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. If islam did not exist what excuse would they use ?

Who knows?

IRA?

Mad at their parents?

Bullied at school?

Etc.

I don't make excuses for murderers - you do.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. If islam did not exist what excuse would they use ? Who knows? IRA? Mad at their parents? Bullied at school? Etc. I don't make excuses for murderers - you do.

I do not see any of those excuses being used for actions such at displayed by islamics.

I make no excuses for islamics. I give the reason.
Reasons are stated before the action is done and provoke the action.
Excuses are 'found' after the action to give cause for it.

the Islamic travel there to murder people.
that is their reason.

Quote:

......Student turned killer Seifeddine Rezgui declared he was willing to die so “Islamic state can be installed”. ......

islam is his reason.
it is the cause

Greggy would blame Tony Abbott  :D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

I make no excuses for islamics.

No, you make excuses for murderers.

You're a terrorist apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:50pm: I make no excuses for islamics. No, you make excuses for murderers. You're a terrorist apologist.

But he doesn't apologize for islam at all..

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:57pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:50pm: I make no excuses for islamics. No, you make excuses for murderers. You're a terrorist apologist. But he doesn't apologize for islam at all..

Apologise for what?

I've never seen Islam kill anyone.

Murderers kill people - not belief systems.

Stop making excuses for killers.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:12pm: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg? Try what again? My answer remains the same: "absolutely". Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification. I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them. Good on you for having another go. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Your question: "Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?" My answer: "Yes". If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you. Yes please.

Spell it out for us Greg.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:12pm: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg? Try what again? My answer remains the same: "absolutely". Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification. I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them. Good on you for having another go. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Your question: "Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?" My answer: "Yes". If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you. Yes please. Spell it out for us Greg.

Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims.

Islam is just the excuse they use today.

If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

They're evil bastards.

Can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.

Are they genetically predisposed to it Greg?

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Are they genetically predisposed to it Greg?

Evil bastards are evil bastards.

I make no excuses for them.

I am not asking for excuses, only a straight answer. Are they genetically predisposed to it Greg?

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

I am not asking for excuses, only a straight answer. Are they genetically predisposed to it Greg?

More FD fish ventriloquism?

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:41pm: I am not asking for excuses, only a straight answer. Are they genetically predisposed to it Greg? More FD fish ventriloquism?

More excuses for killers?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney Islam is just the excuse they use today.

Quote:

Cultural issues It has been claimed by the rapists themselves,that the rapes originated in a clash of Pakistani and Australian cultures,that the rapists did not understand the notion of consent,or that they saw their victims consenting on the basis of behaviour which Pakistani girls would not engage in. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Skaf

The muslims have already done a bit of raping here,was this before the creation of the Islamic state which rapes and enslaves yazidi children?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:27pm: Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney Islam is just the excuse they use today. Quote: Cultural issues It has been claimed by the rapists themselves,that the rapes originated in a clash of Pakistani and Australian cultures,that the rapists did not understand the notion of consent,or that they saw their victims consenting on the basis of behaviour which Pakistani girls would not engage in. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Skaf The muslims have already done a bit of raping here,was this before the creation of the Islamic state which rapes and enslaves yazidi children?

Is BaronVonRort worried about competition? Will Australians no longer be able to argue that Australian rapists are better than the rapists from other countries?

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 3:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:27pm: Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney Islam is just the excuse they use today. Quote: Cultural issues It has been claimed by the rapists themselves,that the rapes originated in a clash of Pakistani and Australian cultures,that the rapists did not understand the notion of consent,or that they saw their victims consenting on the basis of behaviour which Pakistani girls would not engage in. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Skaf The muslims have already done a bit of raping here,was this before the creation of the Islamic state which rapes and enslaves yazidi children? Is BaronVonRort worried about competition?

Get a job ya bum, stop being a parasite on society

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:22pm: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:12pm: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:51am: freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:33am: How about an answer to the question: Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims? Absolutely. They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it. Want to try again Greg? Try what again? My answer remains the same: "absolutely". Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification. I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them. Good on you for having another go. Are you having difficulty understanding the question? Your question: "Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?" My answer: "Yes". If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you. Yes please. Spell it out for us Greg. Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims. Islam is just the excuse they use today. If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse. They're evil bastards. Can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9th, 2015 at 9:37pm: Soren wrote on Jul 9th, 2015 at 9:27pm: Islam MUST be recognised as a significant motivation Motivation?  Sure. Why do you continue to use it as an excuse for them, though? Why are you a terrorist apologist? So why did you push that idiotic nonsense about Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney instead of the middle east for some other reason if they were not Muslims? Did you forget what flavour of stupid you were spewing this week?

It's OK Greg, no-one expects sense or consistency from you.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

I am not asking for excuses, only a straight answer. Are they genetically predisposed to it Greg?

I know this question was directed to Greg, but as no straight answer was forthcoming I will offer one.
I do not believe anyone is genetically predisposed to murder or maim others. However, because of the superstition, vindictiveness, and insular nature of Muslim tribalism, they are culturally predisposed to paranoid psychosis which find its outlet in actions like perceived holy war against those outside the tribe and the sanctimonious idea of martyrdom.

Is this the same thing as apologising for them or saying they are not personally responsible for their own actions?

Let's face it, in the Middle East warring between tribes has been a way of life for centuries.

Thanks to our ever shrinking world, Muslim fanaticism is now mainstream.com.

The flavour of the decade and most probably the genesis for World War 3.

Feared 2nd Tunisia terror attack foiled as 5 suspected terrorists killed in gun battle with special forces

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/feared-2nd-tunisia-terror-attack-6043329

The national guard and army operation, which took place near the town of El Ktar in the Gafsa region comes less than a week after Tunisia’s government declared a state of emergency

Security forces in Tunisia have killed five suspected extremists in the central region of the country, the Tunisian Interior Ministry has said.

The national guard and army operation, which took place near the town of El Ktar in the Gafsa region comes less than a week after Tunisia’s government declared a state of emergency following a gunman’s attack in the beach resort of Sousse that left 38 tourists dead - mostly Britons.

Ministry spokesman Walid Louguini said a gunfight erupted as a special national guard unit tracked and chased eight suspected extremists in the mountainous Ouled Bouomrane area, near Gafsa’s mining zone.

He said the operation was continuing.

The UK has urged all British tourists to leave Tunisia, saying an extremist attack was “highly likely” despite enhanced security measures.

Tunisian prime minister Habib Essid, speaking in a parliamentary debate, said his government “did everything in our power to protect (British) citizens and their interests, as well as those of all other countries”.

The government has carried out 7,000 security operations since an attack on the Bardo museum in Tunis in March, arresting 1,000 people and stopping 15,000 young people from travelling to fight jihad abroad, Mr Essid said, and was working to remedy “shortcomings.”

“Our country is going through a delicate situation, and is in danger,” he said.

Many Western European tour operators suspended trips to Tunisia following the Sousse killings.

France’s Foreign Ministry urged its citizens in Tunisia to be “particularly vigilant” but stopped short of urging departures.

Germany, two of whose citizens died in the Sousse shooting, made no immediate change to its travel advice.

Ireland, Denmark, Belgium and Finland all discouraged citizens from non-essential travel to Tunisia.

Such decisions are a new wound for Tunisia’s struggling tourism industry and for the nation’s reputation as it tries to solidify its new democracy in a volatile region.

The attack on the Bardo museum left 22 dead, mostly foreign tourists.

British Embassy officials are helping with departures of British tourists at Enfidha airport, but would not talk about the ramifications of the government’s warning.

The head of the Islamist party Ennahda’s group in parliament, Noureddine Bhiri, called the British decision “manifestly damaging to Tunisia and its democratic process”.

A French diplomat said French, British and German governments will work with Tunisia, notably in improving airport security and protecting tourist sites and foreign companies.

The diplomat said Western experts would meet next week in Tunis to discuss security measures.

For the immediate future, expect terrorist attacks to grow in number and velocity across the World.

ISIS grows ever stronger and really it is only in its infancy of organising attacks across the world.

I expect these attacks to multiply and grow in intensity, as ISIS gets ever bolder in confrontation with the West.

In some ways it reminds me of the Vietnam War. We now have so many Muslims living in Western Countries that the guy who brings your pizza, could be prepping up a bomb in his spare time.

This kind of 'War' will go on and on until such time that ISIS or similar thinks they have a shot of taking a  whole Country. Then War proper breaks out.

Miserable scenario but that's the way it is I'm afraid.

red baron wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

For the immediate future, expect terrorist attacks to grow in number and velocity across the World. ISIS grows ever stronger and really it is only in its infancy of organising attacks across the world. I expect these attacks to multiply and grow in intensity, as ISIS gets ever bolder in confrontation with the West. In some ways it reminds me of the Vietnam War. We now have so many Muslims living in Western Countries that the guy who brings your pizza, could be prepping up a bomb in his spare time. This kind of 'War' will go on and on until such time that ISIS or similar thinks they have a shot of taking a  whole Country. Then War proper breaks out. Miserable scenario but that's the way it is I'm afraid.

What you said....

I concur.



QUESTION;
But why is this circumstance coming upon us [upon Western nations] ?


ANSWER;
Western nations are corrupt - we have morally corrupted ourselves.





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Yadda said...

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IMO, ppl like yourself seem to want a 'peace' at any cost. But, imo morality, or life, doesn't work like that. Peace comes from defending open truth. But your logic seems to be; 'Wanting' something, will produce it. Or; 'If we give bullies what they want, surely, they will be satisfied, and leave us alone.' They won't. If you give a bully/thug, what he wants, he will come back again, and again. And eventually he will take from you, everything that you own. And the last thing the bully/the thug, will take from you, is your life. The appeasement of evil men, does not lead to peace. IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood. As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

Peace and lawlessness cannot exist together.

Q.
What tends toward lawlessness ?

All violence [actual and implicit] which is justified by a mind, which serves human corruption.



Q.
What tends toward Peace ?

A love of open truth.




Truth brings peace, through justice, and the judgement, of wicked people.

When wicked people [criminals] are judged and removed from a society, that society, will enjoy peace.

REAL peace.

Whenever a society of men have a deep love of truth, that society will enjoy peace.

And, visa-versa.





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The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom is Courage.
- Thucydides, Pericles' Funeral Oration


Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist.
- Edmund Burke


I can understand a child being afraid of the dark, but I cannot understand an adult being afraid of the light.
- Plato