http://m.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/waleed-aly-hammers-new-immigration-law-on-detention-centres-20150702-gi2yiq.html?skin=smart-phone

Maggots.

Every last one of them.

The Liberal Party - filthy maggots.

How can any sane person support them?

Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot

Waleed Aly wouldn't care if they were white Christians in detention.

Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot

For what reason?

Did you read the article?

Do you understand it?

Panic did you, and amend your post?

Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Panic did you, and amend your post?

Panic about what?

Did you read the article?

Do you understand it?

Why are you calling him a maggot?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it?

They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them.

Oh yes I read it, and I consider that Muslim twat a maggot...........

Did you get that arsehole?

Dnarever wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them.

Didn't Labor put them there??

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:21pm: Panic did you, and amend your post? Panic about what? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? Why are you calling him a maggot?

These are the children of parents in custody who have had their claims for asylum denied. Does Waheed Aly want these kids split up from their parents?

double plus good wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there??

Are you trying to say it was Rudd who stoppped the boats  ::)

No mystery about the silence at all.  You see Labor support it, therefore no renta crowd of ferals, no shrill wailing and breast beating.

The exact same silence when Labor enacted any of its other legislations smacking over country shoppers. Legislations that Liberals would never even attempt, pass without a whisper on Labors watch. No rally's or effigies being burnt.

No sea of hands on parliament hill when under Labors watch reffos were being dashed against rocks.

The left and double standards should be a surprise to no one.   ::)

Its time wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there?? Are you trying to say it was Rudd who stoppped the boats  ::)

Not at all.

Its time wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there?? Are you trying to say it was Rudd who stoppped the boats  ::)

Krudd had difficulty controlling his ego, he is incapable of stopping the tap from dripping....

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:07pm:

Maggots. Every last one of them. The Liberal Party - filthy maggots. How can any sane person support them?

SANE people don't.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them.

Exactly.

i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance.
i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing.

Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good.
He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community.
There could be belly dancing etc etc.
Camel rides for the kids.
Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds.

the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good.

I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes

double plus good wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there??

Is that a good reason to allow them to be abused ?

Nice roast pig!

Maybe Waleed could put an apple in his mouth..... ;D :D

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

No mystery about the silence at all.  You see Labor support it, therefore no renta crowd of ferals, no shrill wailing and breast beating. The exact same silence when Labor enacted any of its other legislations smacking over country shoppers. Legislations that Liberals would never even attempt, pass without a whisper on Labors watch. No rally's or effigies being burnt. No sea of hands on parliament hill when under Labors watch reffos were being dashed against rocks. The left and double standards should be a surprise to no one.

Many oppose it irrespective of who is responsible.

Many people never supported Labors actions on detention any more than the Liberals.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:40pm:

i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes

No comment on the subject of the article then?

Just more nonsense about "real Australia".

You're obviously not that concerned about child abuse.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:41pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there?? Is that a good reason to allow them to be abused ?

Selective reading eh Jim Puddleduck...

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes No comment on the subject of the article then? Just more nonsense about "real Australia". You're obviously not that concerned about child abuse.

child abuse occurs because isolated people in dysfunctional communities lose their moral compass.
if we can build stronger community bonds,
if waleed and other muslims can reach out and form good community ties, then all children will be safer.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:40pm:

the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes

One of these things is not like the others:

Greece; Italy; China; Vietnam; Taiwan; Islam.

Let's see if you can figure it out by yourself.

Here's some thinking music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueZ6tvqhk8U

greg,

why are these children in detention?
If the australian people developed a fondness for muslims as they have for most groups then the australian people would demand that this practice end.

how can the muslim community make the australian people develop such fondness.

well certainly , providing a good community spirit and some nice cuisine would be a good start.

look at it from an outcomes point of view.

waleed will not turn around attitudes by becoming yet another angry muslim.
the emotionally intelligent thing to do is to reach out.

do they teach emotional intelligence in the middle east?

you would never see asian news footage of asians getting all over emotional and firing AK 47's in the air.
yet this is the prevailing footage of the middle east.

if you have an image problem as being angry hot heads, you need to work on that.
i"m happy to help.
Waleed can ring me and i can help him see the path to a win/win

Hmmmmmm

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:

No comment on the subject of the article then?

I suppose he could have amused himself by posting trolling nothing but pictures of Abbot which likewise had nothing to do with the subject like you did in another thread?  ::)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:57pm:

Hmmmmmm

Should have used an industrial sewing machine......

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Waleed can ring me and i can help him see the path to a win/win

We all know where that path leads.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/tmcatee/Horses_ass_1.jpg

Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:01pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine......

I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead.

Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country.

Are you a 10 pound pom?

No surprise that the Coalition's cheer squad of feral ratbags have resorted to shooting the messenger and distraction. Anything to avoid discussing the topic.

It's hard to really respect a grown man who has the body of a 12 year old boy.

He may or may not be a nice guy, even a smart guy, but he just has no gravitas. 

... wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:11pm:

It's hard to really respect a grown man who has the body of a 12 year old boy.

http://www.cliparthut.com/clip-arts/38/zip-your-lips-clip-art-38780.gif

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:40pm:

i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes

Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid.

How often do you host festivals?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom?

Oh I see, that would make a difference would it Jemima ?

You are the sad one for posting that in the first place..

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes How often do you host festivals?

And what sort of food does he serve?


http://mideastposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/eat-a-horse-e1358849024507.jpg

Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? Oh I see, that would make a difference would it Jemima ? You are the sad one for posting that in the first place..

It would at least go someway to explaining your attitude.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes How often do you host festivals? And what sort of food does he serve? http://mideastposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/eat-a-horse-e1358849024507.jpg

Miam miam.

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Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:19pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? Oh I see, that would make a difference would it Jemima ? You are the sad one for posting that in the first place.. It would at least go someway to explaining your attitude.

Who was in office when these people FIRST used that dramatic ploy to solicit sympathy, or was it to blackmail the standing government to allow them into the community?

Rather a dramatic thing to do eh.....what's the next step decapitation?

Is it only me who can see Goebels' at work here?

Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Who was in office when these people FIRST used that dramatic ploy to solicit sympathy, or was it to blackmail the standing government to allow them into the community?

What has that got to do with the current government making it illegal to report abuse?

And by abuse we are not talking self harm stupid.


Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Rather a dramatic thing to do eh

I suppose you think those Jews on the Voyage of the Damned were over reacting too?

Here's a link, I doubt you know or understand history(you certainly can't grasp the english language)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis#.22Voyage_of_the_Damned.22


Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:37pm:

what's the next step decapitation?

Well Tony has said "Heads should roll"

Its not that big of a leap.

Waleed looks like a terrorist, he should have his citizenship revoked.  8-)

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:42pm:

Is it only me who can see Goebels' at work here?

Goebbels has been gainfully employed since 2009

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid. How often do you host festivals?

this is good,  some people get it.
i heard about a seikh in darwin who was abused as a taxi driver by nasty bogans.
He started up a weekly seikh cook up down at the waterfront and now 100's attend, he is integrated, the darwin people would probably belt any bogan who vilified a seikh.

hearts and minds K.

How often has waaleed been on the telly promoting these sort of good news stories.
Very rarely i suspect.

If every muslim would spend a month doing what the seikh taxi driver did, the whole issue would go away and waaled would be out of a job.

i suspect waleed doesnt want to solve the problem any more than abbott wants to solve the problem.

Yet again, it will be up to people at a community level to solve this problem.And that is usually the case. Dont expect the media or politicians to be part of the solution when they all have so much invested in keeping the problem going

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:55pm: Waleed can ring me and i can help him see the path to a win/win We all know where that path leads. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/tmcatee/Horses_ass_1.jpg

you are a simplistic thinker Gweg, 
as shallow as a puddle  ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:03pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:55pm: Waleed can ring me and i can help him see the path to a win/win We all know where that path leads. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/tmcatee/Horses_ass_1.jpg you are a simplistic thinker Gweg,

Yes, a thinker.

You should try it some time.

It's what we do out here in "real Australia".

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid. How often do you host festivals? this is good,  some people get it. i heard about a seikh in darwin who was abused as a taxi driver by nasty bogans. He started up a weekly seikh cook up down at the waterfront and now 100's attend, he is integrated, the darwin people would probably belt any bogan who vilified a seikh. hearts and minds K. How often has waaleed been on the telly promoting these sort of good news stories. Very rarely i suspect.

You suspect, eh?

How often have you watched the Project, dear?

I’m curious.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid. How often do you host festivals? this is good,  some people get it. i heard about a seikh in darwin who was abused as a taxi driver by nasty bogans. He started up a weekly seikh cook up down at the waterfront and now 100's attend, he is integrated, the darwin people would probably belt any bogan who vilified a seikh. hearts and minds K. How often has waaleed been on the telly promoting these sort of good news stories. Very rarely i suspect. If every muslim would spend a month doing what the seikh taxi driver did, the whole issue would go away and waaled would be out of a job. i suspect waleed doesnt want to solve the problem any more than abbott wants to solve the problem. Yet again, it will be up to people at a community level to solve this problem.And that is usually the case. Dont expect the media or politicians to be part of the solution when they all have so much invested in keeping the problem going

Mr A Scoot, do you not see an insidious and real creep by this Government into secrecy, cover up, obfuscation and harsh hands on control of any criticism, or failure to blindly support 'Team Australia'.....i.e. Abbott?  Do you not see it?  It is no accident.  It is a very determined, and slow closing of a vice, and if this keeps up, hello, Nazi Australia Mark 1.

It's crystal clear to me, and if an ALP Government was doing this sheet, I would be publicly outraged!

There's only one answer to these new silencing laws that allows sexual and other abuses in detention centres to be covered up........retaliation by the carers.

Australia is the guardians of these people and as Australians we all must be truthful and transparent, the truth must be told loud and clear whatever the penalties.

The open letter by prominent people was a start.

If one person is prosecuted we must flood the internet with repeats of the story.

It will happen, stupid laws are meant to be broken.

Will Tony dumb dumb prosecute 10,000 people?

Seriously people, the best you have is to nastily vilify each other and the commentator who made the statements?

I am glad at least that, at best, this is a small, low population backwater forum. Clearly not mainstream Australia, I am thankful for that small mercy.

The bottom line, this is a child protection issue.

As to the Labor/Liberal thing - if you rabidly support either party (as many posters here clearly do) you are quite specifically part of the problem and, as demonstrated by the abuse, ridiculous reasoning and erroneous statements couched as facts (of life possibly) totally disconnected from humanity. That is about as generous as I could be in my description.

So, a child protection issue. It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country.

I support the 40 doctors, nurses and health care workers personally.

The current Liberal Government are the absolute drivers behind the potential cover up of child abuse here, but, make not mistake, Labor are, quite clearly equally complicit. Whilst you lot who want to argue the politics of it, supposedly point score on each other and, somehow proclaim being "real Australia" - you are not my fellow country men and women by any stretch of the imagination.

I am sure those of you with children do love them, care for them and nurture them at least to the best of your capacity. I am astounded though that you cannot at any level look at your own children and feel absolutely no concern, care or even some basic empathy for the INNOCENT children in detention being abused and neglected. And before any actually are so low as to ask what about their own parents? WE put them into detention rightly or wrongly. That is point one, point two, I won't even waste time discussing the matter with you, as you are so far beneath my contempt you don't count as human - is that clear enough?

Good on Waleed. I don't often agree with him, I hardly ever watch the show, at least on purpose - yet, in this specific instance, he nailed it point blank.

For those who either;
a) Did not read the article
b) Failed to comprehend what was said

He VERY CLEARLY pointed the finger at both parties.

It cannot be overlooked presently though which party is in Government - because, they are the Government, they have the power, as it were. If the power is objectionable to any - then, let me put it this way, the Government is responsible....

I am sure there is an online dictionary for any who need to look up the meaning of responsible, I suspect if there is any honesty or self reflection, that would be a lot of posters here needing to look that up.

Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on.


Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country.

Yes this is the crux of it.

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:13pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid. How often do you host festivals? this is good,  some people get it. i heard about a seikh in darwin who was abused as a taxi driver by nasty bogans. He started up a weekly seikh cook up down at the waterfront and now 100's attend, he is integrated, the darwin people would probably belt any bogan who vilified a seikh. hearts and minds K. How often has waaleed been on the telly promoting these sort of good news stories. Very rarely i suspect. If every muslim would spend a month doing what the seikh taxi driver did, the whole issue would go away and waaled would be out of a job. i suspect waleed doesnt want to solve the problem any more than abbott wants to solve the problem. Yet again, it will be up to people at a community level to solve this problem.And that is usually the case. Dont expect the media or politicians to be part of the solution when they all have so much invested in keeping the problem going Mr A Scoot, do you not see an insidious and real creep by this Government into secrecy, cover up, obfuscation and harsh hands on control of any criticism, or failure to blindly support 'Team Australia'.....i.e. Abbott?  Do you not see it?  It is no accident.  It is a very determined, and slow closing of a vice, and if this keeps up, hello, Nazi Australia Mark 1. It's crystal clear to me, and if an ALP Government was doing this sheet, I would be publicly outraged!

It’s only biology, Aussie. If a horse leader has his authority threatened he clamps down on the foals and fillies.

Don’t you?

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:13pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid. How often do you host festivals? this is good,  some people get it. i heard about a seikh in darwin who was abused as a taxi driver by nasty bogans. He started up a weekly seikh cook up down at the waterfront and now 100's attend, he is integrated, the darwin people would probably belt any bogan who vilified a seikh. hearts and minds K. How often has waaleed been on the telly promoting these sort of good news stories. Very rarely i suspect. You suspect, eh? How often have you watched the Project, dear? I’m curious.

rarely,  it clashes with Bargain Hunt, but i can still pick up its aura .
bright studio , full of hipsters, probably got a twitterfeed.  rarely a story on horses, fishing or rugby league.  No wonder channel 10 rate so poorly in "real australia"

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on. Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country. Yes this is the crux of it.

Well yes, but these are Muslim.children we’re talking about here.

These people breed.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:48pm:

Waleed looks like a terrorist, he should have his citizenship revoked.  8-)

This is the comment that most aptly highlights exactly why the decision to revoke ANY citizenship is ludicrous to be left in the hand of any one person.

The huge decision to revoke citizenship can NEVER in a free, democratic and humane society be based on anything so superficial as someone's "opinion" of how the person presents.

The options for decision making are not based on opinion or fantasy (that might work ok in a little backwater forum) they need to be based entirely on fact based in evidence. Hence, the legal system needs to have the first bit of input...

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:31pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:13pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:40pm: i used to quite like Waleed, but he has become a bit full of his own self importance. i find the project is just a channel 10 version of an ABC current affairs show , except the presenters have all got collagen, botox and prettier clothing. Waleed really needs to rally the muslim community to reach out to "real australia".  He is in a position to do a lot of good. He could organise a free kebab day and arabic cooking festival and form some good links in the community. There could be belly dancing etc etc. Camel rides for the kids. Instead of always trying to make "real australia" feel bad about itself (which will only harden attitudes against islam) he could be building really good community bonds. the greeks, italians, chinese, vietnamese and taiwanese communities all have massive food festivals that i always took the kids too.  this is good. I am yet to see one from islam.  maybe they dont have many nice dishes Yes, dear, but you don't live in my multicultural ghetto where there's a free barbecue with balloons for the kids every year to celebrate Eid. How often do you host festivals? this is good,  some people get it. i heard about a seikh in darwin who was abused as a taxi driver by nasty bogans. He started up a weekly seikh cook up down at the waterfront and now 100's attend, he is integrated, the darwin people would probably belt any bogan who vilified a seikh. hearts and minds K. How often has waaleed been on the telly promoting these sort of good news stories. Very rarely i suspect. You suspect, eh? How often have you watched the Project, dear? I’m curious. rarely,  it clashes with Bargain Hunt, but i can still pick up its aura . bright studio , full of hipsters, probably got a twitterfeed.  rarely a story on horses, fishing or rugby league.  No wonder channel 10 rate so poorly in "real australia"

I see. So you’ve missed the Friday segment where they cut to a local festival or community event in every capital city.

I won’t ask if you’ve read Waleed’s columns or heard his nightly radio interviews discussing the very issue you’ve described.

It’s the aura, innit.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on. Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country. Yes this is the crux of it.

Thanks Gandalf.

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:48pm: Waleed looks like a terrorist, he should have his citizenship revoked.  8-) This is the comment that most aptly highlights exactly why the decision to revoke ANY citizenship is ludicrous to be left in the hand of any one person. The huge decision to revoke citizenship can NEVER in a free, democratic and humane society be based on anything so superficial as someone's "opinion" of how the person presents. The options for decision making are not based on opinion or fantasy (that might work ok in a little backwater forum) they need to be based entirely on fact based in evidence. Hence, the legal system needs to have the first bit of input...

That’s ridiculous. You can’t try everyone who looks like a terrorist.

well thats good!!!.
i apologise to waaleed and recommend he employ you as his publicist because i havent heard such things and it would be better if we focused on the positive.
this is whast comes naturally to a rightard.
why didnt a leftie start a thread congratulating him on his community spirit.
Dont hide his light under a bushell

Win/Win.

I can't work out what you do-gooders want. These children are in detention because their parents have had their asylum seeker applications rejected. So I suppose you want the kids split from their parents and sent here? Yes or no?

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

well thats good!!!. i apologise to waaleed and recommend he employ you as his publicist because i havent heard such things and it would be better if we focused on the positive. this is whast comes naturally to a rightard. why didnt a leftie start a thread congratulating him on his community spirit. Dont hide his light under a bushell Win/Win.

Could be one option. Although another might be to stop relying on the "Aura" and of course your preconceived notions and actually look at some of this stuff at face value.

Or, alternatively, don't make big assumptions based in personal ignorance, you won't need to make so many apologies.

double plus good wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:13pm:

I can't work out what you do-gooders want. These children are in detention because their parents have had their asylum seeker applications rejected. So I suppose you want the kids split from their parents and sent here? Yes or no?

Is that the only two options you can think of? Seriously?

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:48pm: Waleed looks like a terrorist, he should have his citizenship revoked.  8-) This is the comment that most aptly highlights exactly why the decision to revoke ANY citizenship is ludicrous to be left in the hand of any one person. The huge decision to revoke citizenship can NEVER in a free, democratic and humane society be based on anything so superficial as someone's "opinion" of how the person presents. The options for decision making are not based on opinion or fantasy (that might work ok in a little backwater forum) they need to be based entirely on fact based in evidence. Hence, the legal system needs to have the first bit of input...

I wouldn't let just anyone make the decision, it would have to be someone responsible, someone that can spot a terrorist from a mile away, someone we all respect and trust and would be comfortable with in making such an important decision, I think we can all agree that that person should be Scott Morrison.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:06pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:48pm: Waleed looks like a terrorist, he should have his citizenship revoked.  8-) This is the comment that most aptly highlights exactly why the decision to revoke ANY citizenship is ludicrous to be left in the hand of any one person. The huge decision to revoke citizenship can NEVER in a free, democratic and humane society be based on anything so superficial as someone's "opinion" of how the person presents. The options for decision making are not based on opinion or fantasy (that might work ok in a little backwater forum) they need to be based entirely on fact based in evidence. Hence, the legal system needs to have the first bit of input... I wouldn't let just anyone make the decision, it would have to be someone responsible, someone that can spot a terrorist from a mile away, someone we all respect and trust and would be comfortable with in making such an important decision, I think we can all agree that that person should be Scott Morrison.

I am exercising significant restraint in not describing the type of person you are.

No we can't all agree with such an ignorant, ill informed and untrustworthy appointment.

There is NO ONE person in the current political environment who has demonstrated a level of insight, care, honesty, integrity and decency who would qualify to be that one person.

Legal system first, then maybe, with judicial oversight a minister MIGHT be able to act. Providing someone with scruples is looking over their shoulder - hence it probably should never happen.

Treat criminals like we already treat criminals, you know, in prisons....

Resolute wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:30pm: double plus good wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there?? Are you trying to say it was Rudd who stoppped the boats  ::) Krudd had difficulty controlling his ego, he is incapable of stopping the tap from dripping....

the only thing Rudd could stop was the economy.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom?

and now you start channeling KAT????

what the hell happened to you???

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on. Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country. Yes this is the crux of it.

is that really true or is the point that they cannot report it to THE MEDIA?  there is a big difference and one that has not been discussed.

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:11pm: well thats good!!!. i apologise to waaleed and recommend he employ you as his publicist because i havent heard such things and it would be better if we focused on the positive. this is whast comes naturally to a rightard. why didnt a leftie start a thread congratulating him on his community spirit. Dont hide his light under a bushell Win/Win. Could be one option. Although another might be to stop relying on the "Aura" and of course your preconceived notions and actually look at some of this stuff at face value. Or, alternatively, don't make big assumptions based in personal ignorance, you won't need to make so many apologies.

NO!!.

My point stands and it is this.

commentators like waleed (or the politicians) could promote my sorts of ideas  (and some others, including having all school children have a penpal in the middle east)but they DONT (or certainly its rare).
Q and A, the Project...they thrive on the emotional stuff and dont want it to end.
The politicians are the same.

The fighting and anger and pushing hot buttons is what RATES.

doing a show on mustafa teaches his anglo mates mediteranean cooking does not rate.

angry people like that guy on Q and A rate.
the media and the politicians are not the solution. they are fanning the problem.

If , as K say, we have food festivals over ramadan , when is Q and A going to cover that.
and i'll bet they wouldnt be nearly as keen to cover it as some nutbag terrorist fruitcake they give the microphone to.

Waleed and his mates can be part of the solution or part of the problem.
and most of the time, they are self serving parts of the problem and they wont be getting a pat on the back from me and either should Tony Jones or any of the leftie luvvies or rightie haters who use easily solvable problems as emotional footballs

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:48pm: Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on. Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country. Yes this is the crux of it. is that really true or is the point that they cannot report it to THE MEDIA?  there is a big difference and one that has not been discussed.

That is a fair question.

The people they apparently can report to have a demonstrated track record of failure in the very area of acting on serious reports, particularly with regard to child safety.

Just for one moment, consider what it might be like for these children if you would.

It seems to me that if we (as a nation) had even the slightest bit of compassion then firstly, the bill would not have been thought up. Secondly, we would have pre - emptively set up a much safer system (specifically for the children), ideally for whole of family though, because, that simply works best.

Part of the whole problem with our asylum seeker issues/concerns/problems is that it has been overly politicised and, quite frankly, three word slogans and thought bubbles from the thoughtless are not going to resolve it.

The issues are complex so there is NOT going to be a simple, one size fits all solution that can be encompassed by three or four words.

That is a significant part of the problem right there. The very people paid significant amounts of money to administer this stuff, clearly have no capacity to think about it carefully, care to actually do anything more than get re-elected and, are so mind bogglingly devoid of any degree of human integrity that it is actually ok for these children to be harmed in a variety of ways, whilst, presumably in our country's care....

Seriously, how caring are we being right now?

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:55pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:48pm: Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on. Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country. Yes this is the crux of it. is that really true or is the point that they cannot report it to THE MEDIA?  there is a big difference and one that has not been discussed. That is a fair question. The people they apparently can report to have a demonstrated track record of failure in the very area of acting on serious reports, particularly with regard to child safety. Just for one moment, consider what it might be like for these children if you would. It seems to me that if we (as a nation) had even the slightest bit of compassion then firstly, the bill would not have been thought up. Secondly, we would have pre - emptively set up a much safer system (specifically for the children), ideally for whole of family though, because, that simply works best. Part of the whole problem with our asylum seeker issues/concerns/problems is that it has been overly politicised and, quite frankly, three word slogans and thought bubbles from the thoughtless are not going to resolve it. The issues are complex so there is NOT going to be a simple, one size fits all solution that can be encompassed by three or four words. That is a significant part of the problem right there. The very people paid significant amounts of money to administer this stuff, clearly have no capacity to think about it carefully, care to actually do anything more than get re-elected and, are so mind bogglingly devoid of any degree of human integrity that it is actually ok for these children to be harmed in a variety of ways, whilst, presumably in our country's care.... Seriously, how caring are we being right now?

but back to my point again.   we are NOT undermining the mandatory reporting system for children because it in fact operates the same way for the rest of the country.  Teachers etc are required to report abuse BUT they are specifically forbidden from mentioning it to anyone else other than a designated authority.

so if this 'silencing' thing is simply preventing people reporting to the media then it would very easily explain why labor supported it and others, simply because it is NOTHING like what is being described here.

the whole children in detention issue is complex and emotive, but apparently also filled with lies, half-truths and misdirection. and no, I am NOT talking about this govt or the previous one.  Bottom line is the govt is caught between a rock and a hard place.  there are no easy solutions.

but this thread is largely a lie.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:14pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:11pm: well thats good!!!. i apologise to waaleed and recommend he employ you as his publicist because i havent heard such things and it would be better if we focused on the positive. this is whast comes naturally to a rightard. why didnt a leftie start a thread congratulating him on his community spirit. Dont hide his light under a bushell Win/Win. Could be one option. Although another might be to stop relying on the "Aura" and of course your preconceived notions and actually look at some of this stuff at face value. Or, alternatively, don't make big assumptions based in personal ignorance, you won't need to make so many apologies. NO!!. My point stands and it is this. commentators like waleed (or the politicians) could promote my sorts of ideas  (and some others, including having all school children have a penpal in the middle east)but they DONT (or certainly its rare). Q and A, the Project...they thrive on the emotional stuff and dont want it to end. The politicians are the same. The fighting and anger and pushing hot buttons is what RATES. doing a show on mustafa teaches his anglo mates mediteranean cooking does not rate. angry people like that guy on Q and A rate. the media and the politicians are not the solution. they are fanning the problem. If , as K say, we have food festivals over ramadan , when is Q and A going to cover that. and i'll bet they wouldnt be nearly as keen to cover it as some nutbag terrorist fruitcake they give the microphone to. Waleed and his mates can be part of the solution or part of the problem. and most of the time, they are self serving parts of the problem and they wont be getting a pat on the back from me and either should Tony Jones or any of the leftie luvvies or rightie haters who use easily solvable problems as emotional footballs

NO!

You see it is the job of the community to do everything that you outlined there. It is the job of the media to report when we and those who are the administrators (you know, the Gubmint) are getting it wrong.

Sure, it is also nice to have some good news stories, I would love that.

However, my point still stands very clearly, your aura reading has failed you (on this and other occasions).

ABC national also had a good program on the other day, which if I had not been on the road for the day I would have missed - all about the various foods of Ramadan...

Now I note in another post you mentioned "Muslim" foods - I thought this curious at the time, because there is no one specific "Muslim" culture. Have you ever had a kebab? Have you tried baclava? Have you eaten Indonesian food, or Malaysian food - careful you may have already experiences "Muslim" food.... They are just a few examples, some of which, in my ignorance about Islam may not be appropriate to Ramadan, I admit. However, the point is, you made a clearly ill informed comment regarding "Muslim" food - once again, aura reading failure?

Part of the media's job (although clearly  Telegraph and few other fish wrappers do not understand this principal) to inform the public and to shine the light of public scrutiny on ALL the actions of Government, Business and Community.... Particularly, the questionable ones that people should not, in a civilised society at least, be allowed to get away with - hence, good news stories are, at best, just an add on.

Feel free to get proactive with some community building.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? and now you start channeling KAT???? what the hell happened to you???

Putting-up with idiots does that to you.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:05pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:55pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:48pm: Good post Phem - as always your analysis is spot on. Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: It is absolutely astounding that almost anywhere in Australia ALL of the professionals involved are what is referred to as Mandatory reporters - i.e. by law they MUST report issues of child abuse, suspected child abuse and/or neglect to child protection authorities - yet, this change in law from the Federal Government (Supported by the Labor opposition, hence neither team can hold their heads up with any pride), effectively rejects that same basic legal expectation in almost every state or territory in our Country. Yes this is the crux of it. is that really true or is the point that they cannot report it to THE MEDIA?  there is a big difference and one that has not been discussed. That is a fair question. The people they apparently can report to have a demonstrated track record of failure in the very area of acting on serious reports, particularly with regard to child safety. Just for one moment, consider what it might be like for these children if you would. It seems to me that if we (as a nation) had even the slightest bit of compassion then firstly, the bill would not have been thought up. Secondly, we would have pre - emptively set up a much safer system (specifically for the children), ideally for whole of family though, because, that simply works best. Part of the whole problem with our asylum seeker issues/concerns/problems is that it has been overly politicised and, quite frankly, three word slogans and thought bubbles from the thoughtless are not going to resolve it. The issues are complex so there is NOT going to be a simple, one size fits all solution that can be encompassed by three or four words. That is a significant part of the problem right there. The very people paid significant amounts of money to administer this stuff, clearly have no capacity to think about it carefully, care to actually do anything more than get re-elected and, are so mind bogglingly devoid of any degree of human integrity that it is actually ok for these children to be harmed in a variety of ways, whilst, presumably in our country's care.... Seriously, how caring are we being right now? but back to my point again.   we are NOT undermining the mandatory reporting system for children because it in fact operates the same way for the rest of the country.  Teachers etc are required to report abuse BUT they are specifically forbidden from mentioning it to anyone else other than a designated authority. so if this 'silencing' thing is simply preventing people reporting to the media then it would very easily explain why labor supported it and others, simply because it is NOTHING like what is being described here. the whole children in detention issue is complex and emotive, but apparently also filled with lies, half-truths and misdirection. and no, I am NOT talking about this govt or the previous one.  Bottom line is the govt is caught between a rock and a hard place.  there are no easy solutions. but this thread is largely a lie.

Nope, we are not undermining the child reporting system, our Government is doing it's absolute best to totally ignore it in this specific example.

The lie is from those of you who defend this Government's actions, effectively throwing these children to the wolves.

I still stand by supporting the 40 or so workers on the ground who have taken the issue up to the PM - they are the only people in the right in this. How sad, 40 or so in a country with around 24 Million people living in it.

Kat wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? and now you start channeling KAT???? what the hell happened to you??? Putting-up with idiots does that to you.

you are the angriest person on here.  maybe your one hour per week bike job is all you aspire to.  it would explain so much.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:36pm: Its time wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:30pm: double plus good wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there?? Are you trying to say it was Rudd who stoppped the boats  ::) Krudd had difficulty controlling his ego, he is incapable of stopping the tap from dripping.... the only thing Rudd could stop was the economy.

Yes its labors fault the libs have doubled the deficit and increased the national debt to an epic level  :D

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:19pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? and now you start channeling KAT???? what the hell happened to you??? Putting-up with idiots does that to you. you are the angriest person on here.  maybe your one hour per week bike job is all you aspire to.  it would explain so much.

I rest my case.

Kat wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:19pm: Kat wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? and now you start channeling KAT???? what the hell happened to you??? Putting-up with idiots does that to you. you are the angriest person on here.  maybe your one hour per week bike job is all you aspire to.  it would explain so much. I rest my case.

now 'rest' you do well since you have 167 hours a week to do it in.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:36pm: Its time wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:30pm: double plus good wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:27pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:18pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:13pm: Yes, without doubt, Waleed Aly is a maggot For what reason? Did you read the article? Do you understand it? They support the Lieberals and covering up child abuse is OK by them. Didn't Labor put them there?? Are you trying to say it was Rudd who stoppped the boats  ::) Krudd had difficulty controlling his ego, he is incapable of stopping the tap from dripping.... the only thing Rudd could stop was the economy.

You’re a fan of stopping things, aren’t you?

David Marr on Insiders this morning.  Rudd stopped the boats. 

Told ya.   ;D ;D ;D

Well done Rudd.  If boats are washing up in Italy it iis down to Rudd. 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:24pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:19pm: Kat wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 7:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 6:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Resolute wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 4:01pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm: Hmmmmmm Should have used an industrial sewing machine...... I don't know whether to feel pity for you, or wish your ilk dead. Truly saddening that attitudes like yours exist in this country. Are you a 10 pound pom? and now you start channeling KAT???? what the hell happened to you??? Putting-up with idiots does that to you. you are the angriest person on here.  maybe your one hour per week bike job is all you aspire to.  it would explain so much. I rest my case. now 'rest' you do well since you have 167 hours a week to do it in.

You think.

I wish.

And it is now on Iview, Insiders edition 5 Jul 15 and at about 39.05 Cassidy leads with the line "isn't that what actually stopped the boats in the end" to which Marr fervently agrees, " what Rudd did in his second government was a dramatic intervention that did in fact stop the boats."

There ya go luvvies, any whinges about country shoppers drowning in the med are down to Rudd.   ;D ;D ;D

That can be added to all the legislations smacking over country shoppers enacted by Labor.   

They have legislated mandatory detention, you can thank Keating for that, got rid of govt funded vocational and English lessons, stopped  access to the dole made it illegal for asylum seekers to work and decreed that asylum seekers be sent for resettlement in PNG.  All Labor.   

Oh, and stopped the boats.

And yet the clowns thrown stones at the Libs.   ::). No one ever accused a lefty of not being a hypocrite.  8-)

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

And yet the clowns thrown stones at the Libs.

who's in govt. ddopey? nothing stopping them from changing the legislation  :D :D :D :D

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

And it is now on Iview, Insiders edition 5 Jul 15 and at about 39.05 Cassidy leads with the line "isn't that what actually stopped the boats in the end" to which Marr fervently agrees, " what Rudd did in his second government was a dramatic intervention that did in fact stop the boats." There ya go luvvies, any whinges about country shoppers drowning in the med are down to Rudd.   ;D ;D ;D That can be added to all the legislations smacking over country shoppers enacted by Labor.    They have legislated mandatory detention, you can thank Keating for that, got rid of govt funded vocational and English lessons, stopped  access to the dole made it illegal for asylum seekers to work and decreed that asylum seekers be sent for resettlement in PNG.  All Labor.    Oh, and stopped the boats. And yet the clowns thrown stones at the Libs.   ::). No one ever accused a lefty of not being a hypocrite.  8-)

So for the record who's policy stopped the boats ? That's your dilemma  :)

Its time wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 4:05pm: And it is now on Iview, Insiders edition 5 Jul 15 and at about 39.05 Cassidy leads with the line "isn't that what actually stopped the boats in the end" to which Marr fervently agrees, " what Rudd did in his second government was a dramatic intervention that did in fact stop the boats." There ya go luvvies, any whinges about country shoppers drowning in the med are down to Rudd.   ;D ;D ;D That can be added to all the legislations smacking over country shoppers enacted by Labor.    They have legislated mandatory detention, you can thank Keating for that, got rid of govt funded vocational and English lessons, stopped  access to the dole made it illegal for asylum seekers to work and decreed that asylum seekers be sent for resettlement in PNG.  All Labor.    Oh, and stopped the boats. And yet the clowns thrown stones at the Libs.   ::). No one ever accused a lefty of not being a hypocrite.  8-) So for the record who's policy stopped the boats ? That's your dilemma  :)

No dilemma for me, I happily give Rudd and Labor credit.  They have the runs on the board for punishing country shoppers. 

Though you wouldn't know it listening to the lamentations and wailings of the left. 

No sea of hands on Capital hill when country shoppers were being dashed against rocks, that was all "tragedies happen, accidents happen."   ;D ;D ;D

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 5:58pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 4:05pm: And it is now on Iview, Insiders edition 5 Jul 15 and at about 39.05 Cassidy leads with the line "isn't that what actually stopped the boats in the end" to which Marr fervently agrees, " what Rudd did in his second government was a dramatic intervention that did in fact stop the boats." There ya go luvvies, any whinges about country shoppers drowning in the med are down to Rudd.   ;D ;D ;D That can be added to all the legislations smacking over country shoppers enacted by Labor.    They have legislated mandatory detention, you can thank Keating for that, got rid of govt funded vocational and English lessons, stopped  access to the dole made it illegal for asylum seekers to work and decreed that asylum seekers be sent for resettlement in PNG.  All Labor.    Oh, and stopped the boats. And yet the clowns thrown stones at the Libs.   ::). No one ever accused a lefty of not being a hypocrite.  8-) So for the record who's policy stopped the boats ? That's your dilemma  :) No dilemma for me, I happily give Rudd and Labor credit.  They have the runs on the board for punishing country shoppers.  Though you wouldn't know it listening to the lamentations and wailings of the left.  No sea of hands on Capital hill when country shoppers were being dashed against rocks, that was all "tragedies happen, accidents happen."   ;D ;D ;D

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