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Title: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:32pm The charge for the Christian is, 1/ Love God, 2/ Keep his commandments longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 5:33pm:
We have no power, to choose God. It is God who chooses us. A person is not accepted of God, because a person attends a [particular] church, or not. We are accepted of God, when we love God, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd! ....and obey him. John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: 43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. 1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. Psalms 73:1 Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart. Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Revelation 17:14 ....they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. . Those who love God, and obey his commandments, are accepted of God. Jeremiah 9:23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:40pm Love God.... Keep his commandments... Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. Deuteronomy 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. Deuteronomy 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers: 1 Kings 8:23 And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart: Nehemiah 1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments: Psalms 25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies. Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Is it evil, to seek God ? Many men, are of the opinion, that it is both futile and worthless. That, is their choice. How do men seek God ? How do men get close, to a Holy God ? Numbers 16:5 And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him. How do men 'approach' the holiness, of a Holy God ? God, is purity of purpose. What is God's purpose ? |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:24pm "Going to church does not make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." - Billy Sunday John 4:24 James 4:4,8 1 John 2:15 John 8:23 Romans 8:14,15 Read God's word. One must choose a side. ....and not choosing, is also choosing! Choosing to avoid a difficult moral choice [because it is too 'uncomfortable' for you, or because it may make you unpopular among men], ....is still making a choice! Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Quote:
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. ... 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Come out of what ? Babylon, a 'whore' ? 'Babylon' represents INFIDELITY, loving 'the world'. It is a state of mind, ....which permits and allows the perverse and the unjust to flourish, and a state of mind which rails against accountability [righteous judgement against wrongdoing]. Being tolerant of what the ungodly tolerate, is NOT a Christian virtue. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:24pm "YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON" Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. 11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. n.b. "...the Pharisees....who were covetous" Dictionary; Mammon = = wealth regarded as an evil influence or false object of worship (taken by medieval writers as the name of the devil of covetousness). Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Johnsmith on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:25pm
what does god say about helping your fellow man when he needs it?
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm Johnsmith wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:25pm:
Yes. We should help our fellow man, whenever we can. But not when doing so is, or will, facilitate a great evil and wickedness among us. Jesus [the man] obeyed THE LAW OF GOD. Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man. What does the law of God say about helping your enemy ? Exodus 23:4 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. 5 If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him. Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Again, Jesus [the man] obeyed THE LAW OF GOD. Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Should we give sanctuary, in Australia, to moslems ? No. Why not ? Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1 Quote:
Why so ? Why should we NOT, NOT, NOT, give sanctuary, in Australia, to moslems ? -------- > IMAGE.... Johnsmith, Why should we NOT, NOT, NOT, give sanctuary, in Australia, to moslems ? If you can't work it out, ....that all moslems are the UNREPENTANT enemies of A Christian, should separate himself from those who follow ISLAM, imo. Am i mistaken ? I guess in time, we will all find out, won't we. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:04pm Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
Proverbs 2:9 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path. Proverbs 2:20 That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous. Proverbs 4:11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths. Proverbs 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death. 2 Chronicles 19:1 And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem. 2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Stratos on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:11pm Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
Which verse were you thinking of that justifies this Yadda? I'm not familiar with it. Also feel free to answer my questions to you on the historicity of the exodus in the other thread ;) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
I was thinking of the many verses in scripture which call on God's people to [try to] remain holy and separate. Leviticus 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;) 28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. What did those nations do, that was so abhorrent to God ? They were a culture that did everything which God hated, including the murderer, of the innocent and weak. Leviticus 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. 23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. Leviticus 20:24 ...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. "...And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation......" Exodus 19:5-8 But, this does not apply to [early] Christians ????? Because they are under a new covenant ????? 1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ..... 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
I waiting on the DVD. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Stratos on Sep 8th, 2015 at 2:38pm Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
God specifically commanded the Israelites to do all these things, so I don't think that could be the reason. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Yeah, God commanded the Israelites, to do all the things which God hated. :D Stratos, You ought to get a job as a speech writer, ...for a pollie! :) Stratos, God is holy, and pure. But our God is still a judge of the wicked and those who hate him. Do you struggle with 'holy, and pure', and, a judge of wrongdoers ? So, so, pure. Deuteronomy 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. 42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy. Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. 5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Stratos on Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:31pm Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm:
You said that God hated the following things: Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
But that is exactly what God commanded the Israelites to do on multiple occasions. Who is more weak or innocent than a baby? Quote:
By the same token, what did those animals do to deserve anything? |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 9th, 2015 at 11:02am Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Stratos, OK, i'll play. here...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1441760279/0#0 |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Raven on Sep 9th, 2015 at 5:31pm Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm:
What is holy and pure about killing children? Lets look at how holy and pure he is Infanticide 1 Samuel 15:3: God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10: Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”. The murder of children Judges 11:30-40: Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it. Psalms 137:8-9: “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” Exodus 12:29: God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. 2 Kings 2:23-24: The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. Isaiah 13:15-18: If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife. Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death. What a loving and pure god! |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 9th, 2015 at 11:10pm Raven, I can really see, that you are a person who is searching for truth. http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-life.htm |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Raven on Sep 10th, 2015 at 1:38am
As you say Yadda scripture doesn't lie.
It clearly shows your god is a fan of killing kids |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Pho Huc on Sep 10th, 2015 at 7:13pm
I feel its time for another "it doesn't mean what it says"
I love the fact that Yadda still refuses to agree that Islam may differ from his personal literal interpretation, while rejecting all the literal interpretations of his chosen creed as ignorant. It just doesn't mean what it says. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 11th, 2015 at 8:02pm Quote:
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Some/many people say; "Rubbish!" That is their choice. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Raven on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:39pm Yadda wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Damn you should, otherwise he'll kill your kids |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Sep 13th, 2015 at 12:21am Raven wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:39pm:
Matthew 10:28 ....fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Of course the only thing atheists have to fear, is having to look at that lid for all of eternity. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Dec 15th, 2015 at 6:21pm Quote:
. Where did we go wrong ? Or is your opinion, that we did not 'go wrong' ? Psalms 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Not true ??? 'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0 . Just a suggestion; In some quiet time alone.... Read the Book of Proverbs [in the Bible]. And then, if after reading it, you come think that you agree with its words, and agree, that what it suggests makes sense, ...then encourage your children too, to read it, and to try to live by the precepts which it suggests. - Yadda . We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle "It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." - Professor Dumbledore Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be remedied, by doing what is right. - ? Our job is to live as well and as long as we can, and to help others do the same. - ? "Glory follows virtue as if it were its shadow." - Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Statesman "The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible." Dwight L. Moody (American Evangelist, 1837-1899) . Deuteronomy 11:19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deuteronomy 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Raven on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 5:09am Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2015 at 12:21am:
Ahh of course, it is ok for children to be raped and murdered in this life because they'll have a better one in in the next. What a load of s.hit Yadda Gotta say your God has an awesome PR agent. Something good happens its gods will. Something bad happens, well he works in mysterious ways. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 1:38pm Raven wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 5:09am:
Where did i say that it is OK, to murder, anyone ? [And if there is a 'God'], ...is it God's fault, when anyone dies, or suffers ? Raven, You are 'of those' who refuse to take responsibility. Responsibility, for what ? Responsibility, for the consequences of your own poor choices. Until we come to that place, where we choose to accept responsibility, .....nothing will change in our life. Yadda said [in 2009].... Quote:
Raven, Why does God allow evil [things] to happen? THAT IS THE WRONG QUESTION! The right question is; Why do >> we << choose, to not separate ourselves from evil [which we see all around us] ? Why do >> we << choose, to not try to, separate ourselves from evil [which we see all around us] ? . We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle "It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." - Professor Dumbledore Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be remedied, by doing what is right. - ? "Glory follows virtue as if it were its shadow." - Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Statesman James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Mar 11th, 2016 at 2:41pm |dev|null wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 10:57am:
God's Word, it is all good. Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.... Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Again, God's Word, ....it is all good. But it is no good trying to convince the rebellious spirit of that fact. That person who has joined with that spirit which hates God. Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Psalms 25:12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. 13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth. 14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant. Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/0#0 |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:18pm
Do you eat seafood Yadda?
Stone your kids? |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Ajax on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:38pm
I'm not a church goer, only go Easter, Christmas and then weddings, christenings and of course there's death.
I believe in God its about the only rational thing that makes sense to me compared to the big bang, worms, apes and monkeys. The ten commandments can be all summed in two phrases Jesus said. 1. " Love God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" That I can do easily for I have felt that the Lord has helped me in my life. 2. " Love your neighbour as you love yourself " I try hard with the second one but sometimes, stupid is what stupid does and sometimes I just cant help myself with stupid people. Do these two and you can never break any of the ten commandments. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Mar 11th, 2016 at 5:04pm Ajax wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:38pm:
Well said, Ajax. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Mar 11th, 2016 at 5:05pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 12th, 2016 at 8:26pm Ajax wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:38pm:
Yes, making a person from a rib is entirely rational. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 12th, 2016 at 8:28pm
ou still never really answer the question though do you. If the Bible is the true word of God and has to be followed at all costs, you can't pick and choose which laws you like and which you dont
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Ajax on Mar 12th, 2016 at 9:44pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 8:26pm:
If the Lord made the universe making a woman from a man's rib couldn't be that hard....??? |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Ajax on Mar 12th, 2016 at 9:50pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 8:28pm:
There are only two things you have to do and I wrote them above, that is what Jesus said do them and the ten commandments will be in tack. Don't forget man had a big hand in what went into the bible. For example no where does Jesus say that priests should not marry, this is a man made thing. Another the orthodox believe that you must fast before communion and try and cleanse your body and soul so you can be pure. But Jesus in the last supper when he introduced communion to his disciples, they had lamb. There are also many many other laws man has passed onto man. Jesus never said any of these things, only the two above. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Mar 12th, 2016 at 11:05pm Quote:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 8:28pm:
Of course i can. !!!! That is the whole point of our existence here. God himself, gives us the right to choose, to make choices, ....every day! Psalms 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. We know [in our conscience] what is right and what is wrong. Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Myself ? I will be judged. By my God. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:12am
OK so if I choose not to follow any of Gods laws thats ok too.
Good so nothing wrong with being gay, they just exercise the choice God gave us to not follow any of his laws. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:13am Ajax wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 9:44pm:
Could be, except theres no external evidence of the woman making thing take place. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:14am Ajax wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 9:50pm:
Man was the only hand. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Mar 19th, 2016 at 11:48am |dev|null wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 1:34pm:
Me, a "Christian" ? :) 'Christian' is such pejorative term today, don't you think ? I mean, just ask any moslem or political leftist or journalist or media 'personality' or 'man in the street'! But dev|null, If there is a God, do you believe that God is very concerned with how i 'label' myself ? For example, if i 'labeled' myself as a 'moslem', do you believe that God would be very impressed ? QUESTION; What did Paul/scripture suggest, about those who were concerned, with being 'recognised' as being a 'Jew' ? [....i.e. concerned about their social/cultural status] Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. I am at peace. I try to treat everyone i meet, in the same way. Without prejudice. Dictionary; prejudice = = preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. unjust behaviour formed on such a basis. The word prejudice implies pre-judging some issue/person, .....while being in a condition of ignorance. But, if i should come to certainly know that someone [or some group of people] holds a malicious, and a criminal, and a violent intent, towards myself, and/or towards those i care about, .....then my conviction is, that i will be justified, in trying to frustrate their intent. "Conviction is the art of being certain" the current sig line of NorthOfNorth, helian. Because if i were to silently allow such a malicious and a criminal intent to flourish, ....i would to judged [by my own conscience] to be complicit, with those who were seeking to destroy the general peace [of society], which surrounds me. And that would be a very irrational, and insane position to support, imo. And that [my] complicity would be a serious crime, imo. FURTHER; How can i say that i love God, and love my neighbour, ....if i choose to be silent, and to tolerate and sanction the criminal intentions of moslems, in their intentions of murder, deceit, and intimidation, in the pursuit of their malicious and criminal aims ? But, in saying that; If i could see, that to obey the law, were my enemy's clear intent, .....and if my enemy did not display any intent, of murder, deceit, and intimidation, then i will love him as i would love all other men. But i did not find that man. ------ > IMAGE.... "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012. "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 MORE..... |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Mar 19th, 2016 at 11:49am
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IF I LOVE GOD; In God's law, there is no respect for persons. "....for [God] maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." If i was the governing authority, and my enemy was a murderer, i would seek to execute him for that murder. If i was the governing authority, and my neighbour was a murderer, i would seek to execute him for that murder. If i was the governing authority, and my brother [in blood, or faith] was a murderer, i would seek to execute him for that murder. But, i am very different from 'the moslem'. I am at peace. As i said, in God's law, there is no respect [in law] for persons [i.e. for 'who' a person is]. e.g. Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. [see also Deuteronomy 1:17, and Deuteronomy 16:19 ] Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him... Exodus 23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger... Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself... n.b. .....and thou shalt love him as thyself Leviticus 25:47-49 [these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.] Deuteronomy 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. Deuteronomy 10:17-19 For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. Deuteronomy 24:17 Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge: 18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing. Deuteronomy 27:19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger... In God's law, there is no respect [in law] for persons [i.e. for 'who' a person is]. ISLAM cannot make such a claim for Sharia law. . Contrasting with ancient Hebrew law, ....ISLAM declares that there is absolutely no equality before the law, for a moslem and a disbeliever. !!!!! To ISLAM, such a notion is absurd. A point of difference in ISLAMIC law A non-moslem man may not give evidence in a Sharia court, against a moslem. And in fact, such an occurrence would be unlawful!! ....because such a circumstance, if permitted would upset the natural order of things; ...Being that, the 'rightly guided' moslem, is [always] an innocent person before Allah's law. And the disbeliever, is from among the guilty people. Always. ....and, because the testimony of every non-moslem is considered to be worthless/untrustworthy. ....therefore the testimony of the non-moslem, is considered ineligible, as lawful testimony against any moslem. A disbeliever [who rejects ISLAM] is always a guilty person, ...a person who deserves death. "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 AN EXAMPLE OF THE MOSLEM INTENT, ....IN LAW; ------- > Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen; THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. Please watch this YT... A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing; Quote:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by issuevoter on Mar 19th, 2016 at 9:52pm
Oh Jesus, more telephone books from Yadda.
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by John_Taverner on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 8:09pm issuevoter wrote on Mar 19th, 2016 at 9:52pm:
Do not take the Lord's name in vain! You are the type of person who lets your cow work on Sundays. Quote:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by issuevoter on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 10:37pm John_Taverner wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 8:09pm:
Holy cow! |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by boxy on Apr 1st, 2016 at 10:34pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:12am:
Apparently you fall foul of the usual religious loophole. The god botherers get to choose which are core commandments, and which are just suggested reading. (Usually dependent upon what they think they can get away with demanding, politically, at the time.) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 1st, 2016 at 11:14pm boxy wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 10:34pm:
That is right, of course. :) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Pho Huc on Apr 4th, 2016 at 12:10pm boxy wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 10:34pm:
In my own experience they tend to pick the rules that suit their own personal morality. Same as everyone else except they also choose to wear a cloak of piety and enlightenment. :o |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:39am |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by boxy on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:07pm
What a cop out. A link to another thread, where you refuse to address the issue of picking and choosing commandments for your own behaviour, yet still condemning others for choosing their own way to "salvation".
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 7th, 2016 at 9:48pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by boxy on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:50pm Yadda wrote on Apr 7th, 2016 at 9:48pm:
Oh yeah, you say that regularly, but then continue on to condemn others for their moral choices, at great length. Hell, just look at your thread titles in this board, telling us that god hates us, and bemoaning our wickedness for not conforming to your handpicked quotes from the bible (most seeming to come from the old testament... home of the more murderous, torturing and genocidal deity). It's quite obvious that "happy" is not a good description of your attitude to other people's moral choices. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 8th, 2016 at 1:59pm Jesus commandments are very hard to follow. They read 'nicely' and easily. Try putting it into effect though and the world rises up against you. I've failed many many times. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 8th, 2016 at 2:01pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 8th, 2016 at 2:44pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 1:59pm:
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Luke 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2016 at 9:52am A few thoughts on, ".....the Israel of God." Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. ".....the Israel of God." Quote:
In an ancient time, being 'accounted' as a member of the 'congregation' of 'Israel' was recognised as a unique designation, attributed to an individual. Today ? Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Jeremiah 9:25 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised; 26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. . Matthew 10:31 ......ye are of more value than many sparrows. ".....the Israel of God." 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Psalms 73:1 Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart. . God bless Israel, and the Jewish people. Numbers 22:12 And God said unto Balaam..... thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2016 at 9:55am Quote:
Well said James. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2016 at 9:57am The world ['reality'], as we are experiencing it today..... It is all a coincidence..... ?? http://blog.therefinersfire.org/2016/03/a-message-for-atheists.html |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lord Herbert on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:28am Raven wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 5:09am:
;D ;D ;D Religion is all very fine so long as it is being preached from an Ivory Tower to a passive, receptive, and unquestioning audience, but the moment it becomes the subject of discussion and debate - that's when the whole Wishful Thinking house of cards collapses in upon itself with its endless contradictions, its feeble rationalisations, its irrationality on points of commonsense and the Laws of Physics, and its sheer pie-in-the-sky delusional ravings. I lost my religious belief in a merciful and benign god when as a young teenager I became aware of the millions who died in the Nazi holocaust with no sign of a Divine Intervention to be seen anywhere. Since Year One, religion has been all about spooking the masses with a celestial boogieman in order to give a few conmen political power through claiming they can intercede with the All Mighty on behalf of the peasants to make sure the annual crops don't fail. And whenever the crops DID fail - it was because the peasants hadn't been worshipful enough to the God - and so a human sacrifice had to be made, which was often a virgin being thrown off a cliff or into a river crawling with crocodiles. That there might have been - or still is - a Creator who was/is responsible for the remarkable designs in Nature - that's something totally different to a 'Father in Heaven' Hollywood version of 'God'. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:47am "The peasants are revolting!!" - God Yes ? Thank you Herbert. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lord Herbert on Apr 16th, 2016 at 1:03pm Yadda wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:47am:
Sorry, Yadda, but myself and the other boys were bullied very badly at school by Divinity teachers who made it a condition of class attendance that no discussion or debate would be entered into on the subject of institutionalised superstition masquerading as 'religion'. We were bullied into silence, and to understand that our only role was to sit there like mindless dummies while soaking up what seemed to some of us to be delusional rantings as though wholly in keeping with scientific knowledge. It was the compulsory nature of these 'Divinity' classes that pissed me off greatly, Yadda. I was frog-marched to the local church every Sunday. But that's not to say I don't have a decent care for you religious guys. All I ask is that it's voluntary for your audience as to whether they want to attend religious meetings or not. Bless you my son. :) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by John_Taverner on Apr 16th, 2016 at 6:23pm
I'm not a believer in the God of the Bible or any other established religion.
Overall, I don't think that Christianity does as much harm as (say) Islam, but it needs to recognise that it is no longer the default position in this country. Our children do not deserve to be force-fed any religion, but they need to have an awareness of all religions so that they can make their own minds up. Christianity is also a culture, and it would be a tragedy if it died out completely. It is part of our heritage. We live in a country where less than 50% were categorised as one of the branches of Christianity, and this will probably drop even more in this year's census. Having said that, "Corporate" Christianity such as Hillsong is alien to our culture. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lisa Jones on May 1st, 2016 at 4:55am John_Taverner wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
Sorry....I disagree :) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lisa Jones on May 1st, 2016 at 4:58am Yadda wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 9:55am:
Awww that's beautiful :) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lisa Jones on May 1st, 2016 at 5:03am boxy wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
^^^^ That shows that you have absolutely NO IDEA about God or what His Word says. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lisa Jones on May 1st, 2016 at 5:11am Raven wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 1:38am:
Actually, God is not a "fan" of killing children. Also, be careful, your words are a bit rich given it was you who once volunteered the admission that it's ok for children to be physically assaulted....right here on OzPol. Don't think I've forgotten that. I'm still shocked by it as a matter of fact. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lisa Jones on May 1st, 2016 at 5:13am
For Stratos.
(From an earlier post) What is true Christianity? True Christianity is defined by the teachings that one finds in the gospels and epistles of the New Testament. No more and no less than that. Specifically, it does not include bodies of tradition, custom, belief and dogma that have been added on by various churches over the centuries. I don't consider these add-ons as authentic, trustworthy or a valid part of Christianity. True Christianity is about love of God and following in his way as taught by Jesus and his apostles. You learn what it is by reading from the source documents themselves (i.e. the books of the New Testament) --- and not by reading books or commentaries about Christianity, or listening to people or institutions purporting to tell you what Christianity is. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by John_Taverner on May 2nd, 2016 at 5:09pm Lisa Jones wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 4:55am:
No charge for disagreeing. It's a free country, but I'll stick to my opinion. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Lisa Jones on May 2nd, 2016 at 5:32pm John_Taverner wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 5:09pm:
You know....I was expecting you to come back armed and dangerous lol. <<< leaves disappointed :'( >>> |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by issuevoter on May 2nd, 2016 at 10:44pm
Whether Christians like to admit it, Christianity is evolving along with Western social attitudes in general. Small groups of fundamentalists have tried to swim against the tide, most of whom have not resorted to violence; not so in Islam.
After WW2, the so-called holy men of Islam started to notice indications of the same kind of social change in their societies that affected Christianity in the West. To cut a long story short, these holy men sh1t their pants, and started exhorting their followers to increasing acts of violence against apostates and infidels. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Ashley on May 2nd, 2016 at 10:56pm boxy wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
Others are free to choose there own way to salvation. That's free will. There is only one way to find out if they get there. ;) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on May 3rd, 2016 at 1:14am issuevoter wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 10:44pm:
And in those path(s) along which the modern Church[es] have walked [and along which they walk today], brought HIS flock [God's sheep!] any closer to their God ? Jeremiah 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. Ezekiel 34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? 3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. 4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. Ezekiel 34:8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; 9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. 9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. . Daniel records the lamentable cost, to the people of ancient Israel, for their choice, in departing from God's ways. And records that a curse was put upon all of Israel [....as a 'reward' for, forgetting their God, for departing from his law, and for breaking their covenant with their holy God.]. Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. "....the oath that is written in the law of Moses" ??? Google; the song of moses see..... Deuteronomy 31:14 to Deuteronomy 32:47 Psalms 119:4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently. 5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes! 6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments. Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Psalms 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/9#9 Quote:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:16am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 8:57am:
Scripture was given, as God's testimony and witness to man. Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. . We ourselves cannot do anything which would 'earn' our spiritual redemption. We are each saved by the grace of God. Through our own repentance, and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we merit God's grace towards us, but not through any 'righteous' works of our own. Yet throughout scripture, we are still admonished [by THE WORD OF GOD] to seek God, to seek God's way, and to seek God's righteousness. Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Matthew 6:33 ....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;.... Separating the precious from the vile. Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. . Q. Is the Pope a Catholic ? Good luck to him ! Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537138642/2#2 Quote:
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Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:17am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 8:57am:
Scripture was given, as God's testimony and witness to man. Jeremiah the prophet recorded, that ancient Israel went to 'church' [went to the Temple] to worship God. And yet, Jeremiah records, that God rebuked the people of ancient Israel. I wonder why ? Quote:
Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Never old. IMAGE.... |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by longweekend58 on Jul 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm Yadda wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:17am:
talk about missing the point. when u meet your Maker, you are going to be sorely disappointed. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:07am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
I've read the bible. I read the bible. And i must concede that it is clear, that the primary message which the bible wishes to impart to men, is; Quote:
Yes, you can read that message, in THE WORD of the LORD. Jeremiah 9:3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD. ... ... 6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD. longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
A lot of people will be. Quote:
"...well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,....in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. "....behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid." Isaiah 29:12-14 Men will hate God's WORD. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: the phrase.... "the word of the LORD" 258 hits, in KJV . Never old. IMAGE.... . Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [Leviticus 19:18] Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:14am Yadda wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:07am:
Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: 9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: 10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: 11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. Jeremiah 9:3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD. ... ... 6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by .JaSin. on Jul 19th, 2019 at 7:33pm
Religion is not Philosophy.
Move along people, nothing to see here (tragic accident). ::) |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Raven on Jul 19th, 2019 at 8:53pm Yadda wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:14am:
It's not that men hate god's word, it's more that "witnesses" are trained to be so annoying. When witnesses go out into the world many of them lament that people often get angry when they try to share the word of god. That is because proselytising is specifically designed to be uncomfortable for the other person because it isn't about converting them to your religion, it's about manipulating you so you can't leave yours. If this tactic was about converting people it would be considered a massive faliure. It recruits almost no one who isn't already willing to join. School fetes are a more effective recruiting tool. On the other hand, it is extremely effective at creating a deep tribal feeling among its own members. The rejection they receive is actually more important than the few people they convert. It causes them to feel a level of discomfort around the people they attempt to witness to. These become the "others." These uncomfortable feelings go away when they come back to their congregation, the "Tribe." If you take a good look at the process it becomes fairly clear. In most cases, the religious person starts out from their own group, who is encouraging and supportive. They are then sent out into the hars world where people repeatedly reject them. These brave witnesses then return from the cruel world to their congregation where they are treated like returning heroes. they are now safe. They bond as they share their experiences of reaching out to the godless people to bring them the truth. They share the "otherness" they experience. Once again they will learn that the only place they are accepted is with the people who think as they do. "It isn't safe to leave the group. The world is your enemy, but we love you." This is a pain reward cycle that is a common brainwashing technique. The participants become more and more reliant on the "Tribe" because they know that "others" reject them. Combine it with some ritualised chanting, possibly a bit of monotonous repetition of instructions, add a dash of fear of judgement by an unseen but all powerful entity who loves you as long as you do what you are told and you get a pretty powerful mix. |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by .JaSin. on Jul 19th, 2019 at 9:11pm
Post of the Year in my books Raven!
Bravo. I can only add in comparison that when younger and with balls the size of a Red Kangaroo's. I used to be a Christian by hopping from one church to another and deflowing those innocent girls of Love. Christianity teaches "Love conquers all" ;) I still get love letters from many of them with words like "God forgives you." in them. That's love my friend. ;) Now though, I rarely feel the 'love'. In fact I recently ended a 7 year Celibacy from after leaving the virgin mother of my child by teaching some young 'contender' who kept referring to my Celibacy as being 'Gay' ::) and that his reply to my 'Good Mornings' was to say "Suck my d***" (If that's not a 'Gay' thought - I don't know what is!? :-? ::)) - by finding the ugliest skankiest older woman of tatts, drugs, booze and three times as many men as I've had women... and give her nice tight childless pussy some selfish self indulgence. ;) She was past Menopause - so it was like giving it to some Dyke. ;D Oh, I'm feeling old now. About to raise the bat for reaching my half century (I'm aiming for the devil's number of 111 - just to annoy the women 8-)). Not really interested in sex much anymore. Now its all about THE MONEY!!!!!!! ;D :D Hillsong "Put your hands in the air to catch that falling money and sing along with me." |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Yadda on Jul 19th, 2019 at 10:15pm Raven wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 8:53pm:
Its more, imo, to do with almost everyone [humankind] being lost, and 'into the world'. Or should that be, they are 'into the [things of this] world', and, lost ? Truly, the 'things of this world' are a strong distraction to our consciousness. In my experience, individuals will either gravitate to seeking something better than 'this', or, they simply 'immerse' themselves, in 'this'. Predestination ? predestination = = the divine foreordaining of all that will happen, especially with regard to the salvation of some and not others. If that applies, then "Witnessing" Should we expect, to see a sows ear change, into a silk purse ? Harvest. . Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, |
Title: Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Post by Raven on Jul 20th, 2019 at 12:09am Yadda wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
See. Annoying. |
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